[B. FPRA Resolution 26-02 - Approval of Interlocal Agreement between the City of Fort Pierce and FPRA for the Purchase of Flock Safety Equipment not to exceed $238,400.]

>> NEXT IS FPRA RESOLUTION 26-02, A RESOLUTION OF THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY DPEP DENT SPECIAL DISTRICT ENTERING INTO A AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THE FPRA FOR THE PURCHASE OF FLOCK SAFETY EQUIPMENT, AUTHORIZING THE SPEND XHUR OF THE FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 238 THOUSAND 400 DOLLARS, PROVIDING FINDINGS, PROVIDING AUTHORIZATION AND PROVIDING FOR SEVERABLE AND PROVIDING FOR AN

EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION? >> NO QUESTIONS, I JUST WANT THE MAKE A COMMENT THAT AGAIN WE ARE -- IN BOARD AND COMMISSIONS ARE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF OUR ENVIRONMENT SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER COMMITMENT THAT WE ARE PROVIDING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ADD TO THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, SO WE'VE HEARD YOUR CRIES, WE'VE YOUR PLEAS AND THIS IS THE PURCHASE OF SOME MORE EQUIPMENT TO HELP OUR POLICE

OFFICERS DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. >> AND WHAT WE CAN LEGALLY DO

WITH FPRA FUNDS. >> YES, SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT OUT SO PEOPLE CAN READ IT AND DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, SO DON'T CALL ME AND ASK ME WHERE WE'RE PUTTING IT AND ALL OF

THAT, WE KNOW IT'S IN FPRA. >> WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER BRO*D R*IK? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> YES. >> CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON?

[C. Discussion and Direction of Extension Request of Surplus Property — 708 N 18th St]

>> YES. >> NEXT ITEM IS DISCOURSING AND DIRECTION OF EXTENSION REQUEST

OF SURPLUS PROPERTY 708 NORTH 18TH STREET. >> MS. GARCIA HAS A BRIEF

PRESENTATION FOR US. >> MS. GARCIA? >> ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING, CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON, MEMBERS OF THE FPRA BOARD, TODAY I I'M PRESENTING THE SURPLUS PROPERTY EXTENSION REQUEST FOR 708 NORTH 18TH STREET. THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY

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IN ITS CURRENT STAGE. PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF 708 NORTH 18TH STREET.

SO I'LL GIVE YOU BACKGROUND ON THIS PROPERTY. THIS SURPLUS PROPERTY WAS SOLD TO MS. TYSI MILLER FOR 2700 ON MARCH 1, 2021. A DEED RESTRICTION, THERE WAS A DEED RESTRICTION AT THAT TIME, THE GRANTEE WAS REQUIRED TO POUR THE FOUNDATION WITHIN FIVE YEARS. THE GRANTEE IS REQUESTING A ONE YEAR EXTENSION TO MEET THIS DEED REQUIREMENT. DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES OUTSIDE OF HER CONTROL, SHE COULD NOT MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. SHE HAS INVESTED OVER 15 THOUSAND DOLLARS IN LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE INTO THE PROPERTY SHE'S PAID ALL HER PROPERTY TAXES AND EVEN REMOVED SOME HAZARDOUS TREES FROM THE PROPERTY. SO, THIS PROPERTY WAS SOLD PRIOR TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SURPLUS PROPERTY AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE SO THERE'S NO FORMAL AGREEMENT TO AMEND SO WE ARE HERE EK SEEKING YOUR DIRECTION, WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR DIRECTION ON WLORN TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION FOR THE PROJECT AND IF IT'S APPROVED, IF YOU WISH TO APPROVE IT, HOW DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED. DO YOU WANT US TO REVISE THE DEED AND UPDATE WITH A COMPLETION DATE OR DO YOU WANT TO ENTER A SURPLUS PROPERTY SALE AGREEMENT TO FORMALIZE THIS EXTENSION? I BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, THE GRANTEE IS ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER.

>> QUESTIONS OF STAFF? COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE HERE, REVISE THE DEED TO UPDATE THE COMPLETION DEADLINE WHICH IS AN EXTENSION, OR ENTER INTO A SURPLUS PROPERTY AGREEMENT TO FORMALIZE THE EXTENSION.

IS THERE A CLAWBACK PROVISION IN THE TRANSACTION WHERE IF THE FIVE YEAR TIMELINE IS NOT MET,

WHAT'S THE PENALTY? >> YES, CORRECT T DEED RESTRICTION IS THAT THE

PROPERTY REVERTS BACK TO THE FPRA. >> MADAM ATTORNEY, WHAT'S THE

PROCESS FOR THAT? >> MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, IF THE DECISION OF THE BOARD IS THAT YOU DO NOT WISH TO GRANT AN EXTENSION, WE WOULD WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO HAVE THE PROPERTY QUICK CLAIMED BACK TO THE FPRA. IF WE AREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT, THERE WOULD BE LITIGATION THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AT THAT POINT, HOWEVER THE DEED IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT IF THEY DO NOT POUR THE POUND DASHING WITHIN FIVE YEARS, THE PROPERTY REVERTS BACK TO OUR OWNERSHIP, SO WHILE ULTIMATELY WE MAY HAVE TO DO LITIGATION, IT'S NOT THAT

COMPLICATED OF LITIGATION BECAUSE THE DEED IS VERY CLEAR. >> ONE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, HAS

PERMITTING BEEN ISSUED? >> NO, SIR. >> NO PERMITTING HAVE BEEN

APPLIED FOR? >> NO. >> THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS? >> MADAM MAYOR, -- IJTS COMMISSIONER SA DOUSE SKI?

>> WAS A TL* A RIMER TO GRANSBACKER TRANSFERRING THE DEED TO THE INDIVIDUAL O DO

LANDSCAPING AND CLEANUP? >> NO, WITHIN THAT FIVE YEAR TIMEFRAME?

>> YEAH. >> NO, SIR. >> I'M PERPLEXED, IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT 15 THOUSAND DOLLARS WAS INVESTED IN THE PROPERTY AND THE REASONING TO ACHIEVE THE PROPERTY WAS TO SIMPLY PUT THE FOUNDATION, I SUSPECT THAT THAT FOUNDATION WOULDN'T HAVE COST MORE THAN 15 THOUSAND DOLLARS. I MEAN, YOU'RE THE REAL ESTATE

GUY, WHAT'S CONCRETE GOING NOW, $300 A YARD? >> YEAH, IT'S MORE LIKE 330, REALISTICALLY THEY'RE SPENDING MONEY TO MAINTAIN, MOW LAWNS AND THAT TYPE OF THING, LANDSCAPE UPGRADES LIKE THEY'RE PLANTING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SUBJECTING IT'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE, BUT FIVE YEARS TO GET -- THERE'S NO BUILDING PELTERS BEEN APPLIED FOR, TO POUR THE FOUND DAIX, YOU NEED ALL THE PERMITTING FOR THE HOUSE, ETC., PLANNED AND THAT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU A PERMIT FOR THE FOUNDATION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING ELSE MANY THE PACKAGE TOO, SO I'M PERPLEXED BY THE FACT THAT THERE'S BEEN NO INTENTION TO EVEN APPLY FOR A PERMIT. IF THAT WORK HAD BEEN DONE AND SOMETHING GENERATED SOFT COSTS OF 7, 8 THOUSAND DOLLARS OF GETTING THOSE PERMITTING DRAWINGS DONE THA,'S A DIFFERENT STORY. IT WOULD APPEAR THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.

>> WAS THERE ANY EXPLANATION FROM THE GROUP THAT HAS THE PROPERTY?

>> YES. IN HER LETTERS SUBMITTED TO US, SHE SAID HAS DUE TO AN ONGOING DIVORCE, SHE HAD ISSUED WITH THE DIVORCE AND THEN DUE TO OTHER FINANCIAL RESTRICTIONS,

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SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO POUR THE FOUNDATION, COMPLETE THE REQUIREMENT.

>> MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO, THE -- IF I UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT, THIS IS A LOSE, LOSE SITUATION AS I EVALUATE THIS. WE ARE NOT UNDER THE NEW CURRENT CONTRACT THAT WE APPROVED AFTER WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE SURPLUS PART, SO THE OPTION IS IF WE WENT TO THE APPLICANT AND PUT THEM UNDER IT, THEN THEY WOULD BE UNDER THAT PARTICULAR PERFORMANCE AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME WITHIN A YEAR AND THEN CLAW IT BACK OR RIGHT NOW AND UNDER SOME TYPE OF LEGAL WITH QUICK CLAIM TYPE DEED IF WE TOOK IT BACK. EITHER WAY, THE INTENT PURPOSE OF US WITH THE SURPLUS PROPERTIES WERE TO GET THINGS OFF OUR ROLLS AND GET THEM TO THE HANDS WE CANER HAS A PROCESS, I THINK YOU SHOWED A PICTURE OF WHAT WAS PROPOSED WHICH WON THIS BID OVER OTHER BIDDERS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE HERE IS TO GET THINGS DONE AND BUILT IN THE COMMUNITY QUICKLY AND I DON'T KNOW, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER HOW MUCH THE ACQUISITION COST PRICE WAS WITH THE BID, I'M NOT GETTING INTO THAT, BUT MY CONCERN HERE IS THAT WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING DONE. WE HAVE ALSO FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS NOT HAD A MORE TOR -- MORATORIUM ON OUR SALES TAX, WE HAVE A MORATORIUM ON OUR SIDE, THE IMPACT FEE I MEANT, IMPACT FEE, AND THEN I THINK THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE HERE AND THAT YOU JUST RAISED, I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT. THERE ARE SO* SOFT COSTS THAT WILL GO INTO PUTTING THAT FOUNDATION DOWN. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF DESIGN SOME TYPE OF SOMETHING DRAWING SO THAT TA'S GOING TO COST MONEY.

IT'S NOT JUST PUTTING DOWN CONCRETE, IT IS THE PLAN, THE PLUMBING AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING INTO THAT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, I HAVEN'T BUILT ANYTHING

LATELY, BUT, I DON'T KNOW, 6, 8 THOUSAND. >> I DID A SET OF PLANS RECENTLY FOR A HOUSE CONSTRUCTION, 12 GRANDE. YOU CAN GET IT DONE CHEAPER

THAN THAT, BUT 8 THOUSAND DOLLARS IS A REALISTIC NUMBER. >> SO, I GUESS I UNDERSTAND HARDSHIPS, ABSOLUTELY I UNDERSTAND THEM, BUT IF WE DELAY THIS A YEAR, WE'RE -- ARE WE GOING TO BE BACK HERE IN A YEAR BECAUSE 8 THOUSAND DOLLARS OR WHATEVER IT IS GOING THE TAKE TO GET THESE PLANS DONE, AND A FOUNDATION POURED, PERMITS APPLIED FOR, ETC..

THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON THIS. >> YEAH. >> OKAY.

THIS WAS BROUGHT UP IN MY WEEKLY ONE ON ONE'S. I WAS ADAMANT AND ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS JUST SPOKE TO MYSELF AND THEN I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND I LOOKED AT THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THIS PROGRAM AND THEN I LOOKED AT HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE IF WE CLAWED IT BACK OR TOOK IT BACK, RIGHT, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE US TO GO THROUGH LEGAL, GO THROUGH WHATEVER AND THEN TO GET ANOTHER RFP OUT TO TRY TO GET SOMEBODY ELSE O COME BACK IN AND DO THIS. ARE WE A AT A YEAR, ARE WE AT OVER A YEAR, WHERE WOULD WE BE.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT BUT I KNOW IT WOULDN'T BE TWO MONTHS OR THREE MONTHS.

SO, ARE WE TALKING, MADAM ATTORNEY, ARE WE LOOKING AT SIX MONTHS OR MORE, SIX MONTHS OR

LESS, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? >> MADAM CHAIR, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A HARD NUMBER, YOU KNOW THAT, I WOULD SAY WE'VE HAD ONE PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY THAT THEY DID NOT DO WHAT WE WAS DEMANDE OF THEM AND THEY CONTRACTED TO DO, THAT PRESIDENT IF YOU ALL REMEMBER VOLUNTARILY SIGNED OVER THE QUICK CLAIM DEED, THAT WAS DONE VERY QUICKLY.

PERSONALLY I THINK IT WOULD NOT BE START TO NOT SIGN OVER THE QUICK CLAIM DEED AND ENGAGE IN LITIGATION. ON THE OTHER HALF'S END BECAUSE THE DEED IS QUITE CLEAR BUT ULTIMATELY IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW THROUGH, WE COULD DO THE LITIGATION, I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING YEARS, I THINK WE'RE TALKING MONTHS TO GET THAT DONE. HOWEVER, HOWEVER YOU ALL WISH

TO PROCEED IS HOW WE'LL PROCEED PROCEED. >> AND NORMALLY I SAID THAT -- I WAS TURNED OFF BY THE FIVE YEARS AND I DON'T SAY ANYTHING. I WAS, HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW AND I DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT WENT THROUGH WITH THE DIVORCE AND ALL THE FINANCE

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IALS AND ALL THAT, THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM, HOWEVER, I WOULD PREFER THAT IF THE APPLICANT WOULD SIGN FOR THIS EXTENSION, SIGN INTO OUR NEW CONTRACT WITH THESE DEADLINES AND THEN WE KEEP AN EYE ON IT WITHIN THE 3, 6, 9 MONTHS TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AND IN SIX MONTHS IF WE DON'T SEE ANY PROGRESS, WE CAN GO FROM THERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU GET IT BACK AND THEN TRY TO -- SAY IT'S TWO MONTHS, LET'S BE VERY, YOU KNOW, SAY IT'S TWO MONTHS, IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER MONTH TO PULL AN RFP UP, TWO MONTHS, ONE MONTH, TWO

MONTHS. >> AT LEAST, YES, SIR. >> TWO MONTHS TO PUT AN RFP

OUT, THAT'S FOUR MONTHS, RIGHT, THEN RFP IS OUT FOR 30 DAYS? >> YES, AT LEAST 30.

>> THAT'S FIVE MONTHS, SO -- >> THE OTHER MONTH ARES PLANS READY TO SUBMIT.

>> SO, LET'S SEE IF THEY ARE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, GRANT THIS EXTENSION BUT THEY HAVE TO GO UNDER OUR NEW PLAN TO SAY THIS IS OUR NEW PLAN, THIS IS THE TIMELINE AND THEN WE GET REPORTS COME BACK, YOU KNOW, IN THREE MONTHS WOULD BE THE FIRST REPORT, SIX MONTHS AND THEN AT SIX MONTHS X WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE. AT SIXTH MONTHS WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE, AT THAT TIME IF WE NEED TO PULL THE PLUG OR DO WHATEVER BECAUSE WE SEE IT'S NOT GOING, THEN WE HAVEN'T WASTED A WHOLE YEAR, I WANT TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE BUT THEY HAVE O GO UNDER OUR NEW SYSTEM IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, MADAM ATTORNEY, GO UNDER OUR NEW SYSTEM AND WE

CONTROL IT HAS WAY. >> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER GAINES, IS IT POSSIBLE, YES, BUT JUST A REMINDER OF HOW WE DRAFTED THAT AGREEMENT AND HOW MS. GARCIA HANDLES THOSE NEGOTIATIONS IS THOSE DEADLINES ARE NOT DEADLINES WE CREATE, GENERALLY THOSE ARE DEADLINES THAT THE BIDDER PROVIDES TO US AS PART OF THEIR BID, SO THAT NE EAR GIVING US HERE'S OUR DEADLINES, I BELIEVE THE BREAKDOWN ARE WHEN THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR BUILDING PELTERS, WHEN THEY HAVE TO OBTAIN BUILDING PELTER AND IS OBTAIN THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

MY MEMORY'S WORKING, AWESOME. SO, GENERALLY THEY WOULD PROVIDE US THOSE KED LAO*INS.

NOW, IF THE INCLINATION IS TO GO THAT ROUTE, WE E COULD PROVIDE THOSE DEADLINES BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GET FROM YOU ALL TODAY AND WE WOULD PUT THAT INTO AN AGREEMENT TO

PROVIDE TO THEM TO SEE IF THEY WOULD AGREE. >> AND MADAM ATTORNEY, THAT'S FINE, BUT IF WE GO THAT ROUTE AND WE ALLOW THEM TO GIVE US THE THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, WHATEVER, THEN IT GOES WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH EVERYBODY ELSE, SO WE PUT IT ON THEM SO I DON'T WANT THEM TO COME BACK AND SAY, WEM, YOU GAVE ME THESE THREE MONTHS AND I KNOW I COULDN'T DO IT, SO IF THEY COME TO YOU GUYS AND SAY, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS IN A A YEAR, IT'S A NO-BRAINER, BUT I'M GIVING THEM SIX MONTHS TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO SAY WE NEED TO SEE SOMETHING BEFORE WE SAY, OKAY, IT'S NOT GOIPG TO WORK.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. CAN WE DO IT THAT WAY OR DO WE NEED TO GIVE THE TIMEFRAME -- I DON'T WANT -- I REALLY DON'T WANT US TO GIVE A TIMEFRAME BECAUSE THEY NEED THE DECIDE THAT IF WE GIVE THEM THIS EXTENSION, RIGHT, I NEED TO KNOW THEIR PLAN, I NEED TO KNOW THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTH AND IS WE ALL LOOK AT IT. BY SIX MONTHS WE'LL KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE GOING THE CLEAT IT OR NOT. AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU'RE IN

CONSTRUCTION, CAN THIS BE DONE IN A YEAR? >> IF I WALKED IN COLD TODAY AND BOUGHT THAT PIECE OF LAND AND BOUGHT A DEED TO IT, I'M GOING TO SAY I NEED 18 MONTHS.

YOU CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY AND TAKE POSSESSION OIFT, I SIGN CONTRACTS WITH MY DRAFTING TEAM, I'M GOING TO HAVE PANSIES READY TO SUBMIT IF I'M PUSHING IT FOUR MONTHS, PUSHING IT TO GET PLAN INTROS THE CITY, MORE REALISTICALLY SIX MONTH, 6-8 WEEK TURN AROUND TIME TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT INS THE CITY, YOU'RE AT 8 MONTHS BEFORE YOU HAVE A PERMIT IN HAND, THAT'S PUSHING, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T DO THAT, THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND TAKES LONGER AND TAKES UP TIME. I WOULD SAY 18 MONTHS, I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THE FOUNDATION IN 13 MONTHS BUT SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT THE BUSINESS ALL THE TIME IS GOING TO BE NATURAL LAG INS

THE PROCESS. >> BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. I DON'T WANT TO SET ANYBODY UP FOR FAILURE.

>> EXACTLY, WE DON'T WANT -- WE ALREADY HAVE A FAILURE, LET'S NOT DUPLICATE IT.

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>> SO, IN YOUR BEST ESTIMATE, IN YOUR BEST ESTIMATE, WITH WHAT QUEUE EARYOU'RE DOING, YOU SAY 18 MONTHS. . ER WE'RE DOING A TAP DANCE ON

THE FOUNDATION, YES. >> IN 18 MONTHS THA, WOULD BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME TO SAY, HEY, WE SHOULD SEE A FOUNDATION. MY QUESTION TO -- 18 MONTHS, WITH YOUR EXPERTISE, WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME THAT IF WE NEEDED TO BRING MS. GARCIA BACK WITH THIS PROPERTY?

>> SIX MONTH AND IS IN SIX MONTHS YOU WANT PLANS DRAFTED AND SUBMITTED FOR BUILDING PELTERS. THEY COULD EXPEDITE THAT AND ALREADY HAVE THE PERMIT IN HAND.

SIX MONTHS IS A GOOD BENCHMARK TO SAY PLANS ARE CREATED AND INTO THE DEPARTMENTS FOR

APPROVAL. >> SO, NOW THIS GOES BACK TO MADAM ATTORNEY.

IS THIS SOMETHING LEGAL WE CAN DO TR FR* THIS BOARD TO SAY BY SIX MONTHS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE

REQUESTING. >> MS. HEDGES? >> YES, YOU CAN DO THAT.

>> ALRIGHT, SO MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, I'M LEANING MORE TO GIVING THIS APPLICANT A CHANCE BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE WANT IS A BUILDING AND WHAT WE WANT IS A BUILDING IN THAT AREA AND THEY'RE HERE SO WE HEAR WHAT NE EAR SAYING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO THEM, THEY'RE HERE, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS LET THEM KNOW HOW SERIOUS WE

ARE BY PUT AGO DEADLINE ON THEM AND SEE WHERE THEY ARE. >> BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE AM CAN, I HAVE A QUESTION AND THEN THEY CAN MAKE THEIR WAY. I HEARD TWO THINGS I HEARD FROM THE ATTORNEY AND WE HAVE DONE THIS WITH PREVIOUS DEVELOPERS FROM THE BID THAT THEY WENT INTO A PERIOD WHERE THEY SUBMITTED AS A PART OF THE PROCESS, SO THEY LOOKED AT THEIR CRYSTAL BALL AND THEY GAVE US A TIMELINE OF WHEN THEY CAN DO THAT.

I'M GOING BY THE PATH AND KIND OF GET WHERE YOU ARE, MY ISSUE IS WHEN WE PUT SOMETHING THERE, WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT AND THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING SOME CHALLENGE.

AND I WANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S OUT THERE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN A*FRNG, I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THAT, RIGHT, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE REAL CAREFUL THAT WE'RE NOT TELLING THIS APPLICANT SOMETHING AND THEN WE SET A PRES TENT AND THEN HERE COMES THE AVALANCHE BECAUSE WE SILL HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES OUT HERE THAT'S NOT ON THIS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IN JEOPARDY OR NOT OF -- OKAY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M

THINKING. >> THAT'S WHY I SAID LET THEM DO IT BUT HOWEVER WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT. WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO SEE WITHIN A SIX MONTH TIME.

WE NEED TO SEE SOME TYPE OF PLANNING AND SOME TYPE OF BUILDING PERM IN A SIX MONTH TIME. THAT'S WAY AOEM SAYING. IF THEY COME UP AND SAY WE

CAN'T DO THIS, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. >> SORRY, MADAM CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, WHEN WE START THROWING AROUND THE WORD PRECEDENT, NO TWO ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME, TO SAY WE'RE CREATING A PRECEDENT, EVERYTHING'S GOIPG TO BE LOOKED AT FOR THE TOTALITY OF THAT SITUATION. SO, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEW PROCESS THAT WE'RE UNDER, THAT'S STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

THIS IS NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH, WE'RE FIVE YEARS IN, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A DIRECT FAIR COMPARISON TO SAY IN THE WAY WE NORMALLY DO THIS, THEY GIVE US THE TIMEFRAMES BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY VIOLATED THE TIMEFRAME THAT YOU ALL AGREED TO.

SO, IF YOUR ANSWER IS WE'LL GIVE YOU AN EXTENSION, IN THREE MONTHS YOU HAVE TO HAVE BUILDING PERMITS SUBMITTED, SIX MONTHS YOU HAVE TO HAVE BUILDING PELTERS APPROVED, 12 MONTHS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FOUNDATION POURED, YOU'RE COMPLETELY WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS.

KEEP IN MIND THEY HAVE TO AGREE TO IT THA,'S THE POINT OF THE NEGOTIATION, IF THE OTHER SIDE DOES NOT AGREE TO THOSE TIMEFRAMES, THEY CAN PROPOSE THEIRS, YOU CAN CONSIDER THOSE TIMES. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THEM SO THAT MAY GIVE YOU MORE CLARITY BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THE REMEMBER THIS IS NOT A NORMAL SITUATION BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY FIVE YEARS IN AND ALREADY AT A VIOLATION OF THE DEED.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES, I'M GOING O SUGGEST WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, I WANT TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY THEY ARE IN THIS PROCESS RIGHT NOW THA,'S GOING THE ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS

ABOUT THE TIMELINES YOU'RE ROLLING OUT. >> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY?

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, I WANT TO ALERT EACH OF US UP HERE, WE JUST WENT THROUGH 30 DAYS OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LEASES THAT WE HAVE AND ALL THE FAILURES THAT HAVE GONE ALONG WITH THOSE. WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE, WE WERE GOING TO STOP O OVER AGAIN EXPECTING ANOTHER RESULT. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE IS HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE F WE DON'T STOP DOING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING, WE'RE GOING TO BE

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DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. NOW EVERYBODY GOES INTO THESE AGREEMENTS WITH THE EXPECTATION THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT OF IT. LIFE HAPPENS, I GET THAT, BUT ATTEND OF THE DAY, IF EVERYBODY HAS AN ISSUE AND THEY CAN ALWAYS BRING UP AN EXCUSE AND THAT'S FINE AND I'M SURE EVERYTHING HAPPENS AS STATED IN THE LETTER, BUT IF THERE'S AN EXPECTATION FOR ANYBODY THAT DEALS WITH THE CITY THAT SAYS, OH, WE'RE GOING O GO AHEAD AND DO THIS BUT I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY'LL GIVE ME AN EXTENSION OR I'M GOING TO GET SOME LEEWAY ON THE RENT OR GET TAX DEFERMENT OR -- BECAUSE THE CITY'S ALWAYS GOING TO ROLL OVER AND IF WE'RE GOING TO FIX IT, IF WE'RE GOING TO FIX ALL THE THINGS WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THE LAST 30 DAYS A ALONE, WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND I THOUGHT WE DID IT IN ON MONDAY, I THOUGHT WE SAID WE WERE NOT GOING TO DO THIS ANYMORE.

>> THIS IS THE OLD PROCESS, WE'RE GOING INTO THE NEW PROCESS.

>> THAT MAY BE SO, WE'RE AT THE OLD PROCESS AND AT THE END OF THE LINE, DO WE EVER STICK TO OUR GUNS? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE.

I'M TRYING TO BE REASONABLE IN THAT WE HAVE EXPECTATIONS X WE GO IN WITH AN EXPECTATION GOING BOTH WAYS, WHAT THE APPLICANT EXPECTS FROM US AND WHAT WE EXPECT FROM THEM, LIFE HAPPENS, I GET THAT, AND SO I JUST I'M RAISING IT SO IT'S ON YOUR FRONT OF MIND RIGHT NOW F WE CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY CHANGE INS A POSITIVE ASPECT OF WHAT WE ARE TO DO. CAMILLE IS NOT HERE, I WOULD SAY WHAT DO YOU THINK BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN TASKED IN FOLLOWING UP ON THOSE CRACKS AND LEASES,

SO I'M THROWING IT OUT THERE. >> AND YOU WEREN'T HERE WHEN WE EMBARKED ON THIS PROGRAM WHICH WAS INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND WE -- THIS IS AN EXPERIMENT FOR US, WE WANTED -- WE KNEW WE WERE TAKING SOME RISKS, I KNOW, AND WE'VE HAD SOME SUCCESSES AND WE'VE HAD SOME FAILURES AND WE'VE CHANGED THE PROCESS ALONG THE WAY AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION TO MS. HEDGES WHICH I THINK COMMISSIONER GAINES HAS ALREADY ASKED IT, WE CAN -- IF WE DECIDE THAT THERE'S AN EXTENSION, WE CAN DECIDE WHATEVER PARAMETERS THAT WE WANT AND IT HAS BEEN FIVE YEARS AND I NOTICED SOME OF THE E-MAILS BACK AND FORTH, IT TOOK YOU A WHILE TO GET RESPONSES TO THE E-MAILS. SO, IT ISN'T THE USUAL THING TOE GET SERIOUS ABOUT SOMETHING RIGHT BEFORE THE DEADLINE. SO, WE HAVE A TRACK RECORD HERE THAT HAS TO BE OVERCOME FOR JUST A STRAIGHT YEAR EXTENSION FOR ME. HAS'S FOR SURE.

SO, SHALL WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> THAT RIGHT THERE IS FINE.

>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON AND COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY FIRST OF ALL IN CONSIDERATION WITH EVERYTHING. TYSON MILLER, ADDRESS IS 962 SAN VIEW COURT FROM [INAUDIBLE] GEORGIA. I'VE HEARD ALL OF THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AND LET ME SEE IF I CAN GO STRAIGHTFORWARD WITH THE ONE THAT'S ON THE TABLE WHERE I'M AT IN THE PROCESS. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH TWO BUILDERS AND THIS HAS BEEN RECENT WITHIN THE LAST YEAR AND ONE OF THE BUILDERS WE'RE CLOSE TO STARTING O DO A CONTRACT AND MOVING FORWARD. HE HAS A I INSURED HE MANY HAS A GREAT REPUTATION OF GETTING PERMITS WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH MOVING FORWARD AS FAR AS BUILDING. I DO WANT TO SAY TO YOU THAT I REALLY DO THINK ENTERING INTO THE CONTRACT ORIGINALLY, I WAS NOT QUITE SURE AND REALLY DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE FIVE YEAR -- WHAT NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD, OKAY.

I THINK I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH MS. GARCIA IN REFERENCE TO LAYING THE FOUNDATION, WHAT THAT NEEDED TO LOOK LIKE, HOW THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN, AND I REALLY WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THIS LAST YEAR THAT WHAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN IS THERE JUST NEEDED TO BE A FOUNDATION. MY GOAL ORIGINALLY WHICH SILL IS, IS TO BUILD A DWELLING.

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I HAVE AN ELDERLY -- BY THE WAY THIS IS FAMILY PROPERTY THAT GOT HANDED IN SURPLUS DUE TO SOME ELDERLY MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY JUST GETTING TO A POINT WHERE THEY COULD NOT FINANCIALLY CONTINUE TO TAKE CARE OF THE LAND. SO, ANYWAY, SO I REALLY DO THINK IN ESSENCE, IT IS A LACK OF UNING ON WHAT NEEDED TO TO TAKE PLACE EVEN THOUGH SIGNING IN FIVE YEARS CERTAINLY AS YOU STATED THOUGHT THAT INWITHIN FIVE YEARS, THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST A HOME ON THE PROPERTY ESPECIALLY MY IDEA AGAIN GOAL WAS TO BUILD A PROPERTY FOR -- WHO'S WITH ME, MY ELDERLY UNCLE WHICH IS HERE WITH ME TODAY, THAT'S STILL THE GOAL, WE ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. THE YEAR WOULD GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY AND GIVE ME THE TOMB TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THAT FOUNDATION THERE. AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL WHEN I SIGNED INTO THE CONTRACT, I DID NOT REALIZE WHAT NEEDED THE TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE TIMEFRAMES AND I CALL THAT LACK ON MY PART, I JUST DID NOT KNOW, BUT I'M PER FEBRUARY CLEAR, UNDERSTAND WHERE THE BOARD IS COMING FROM WITH, WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE AND I'LL BE ABLE TO DELIVER, I FEEL LIKE I CAN WORK WITHIN THE YEAR.

QUESTIONS? >> OKAY, SO, YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF ENGAGING A CONTRACTOR, IS THIS A DESIGN BUILD SCENARIO, IS HE RESPONSIBLE FOR DESIGN,

PERMITS, ARCHITECTURAL WORK. >> HE'S GOING TO DO ALL OF THAT FOR ME?

>> ONE STOP SHOP, DESIGN BUILDER? >> YES.

>> HE GIVERS YOU AN OVERALL PRICE, X FOR ?*EFRG >> RIGHT, AND HE HAS CONNECTED ME WITH SOME LENDERS AS WELL, SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE SECOND BUILDER THAT I HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH. I ORIGINALLY FIVE YEARS AGO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ONE PERSON, REALLY WASN'T SURE HOW OR WHAT I WANT TODAY DO, IF I WAS GOING TO DO A NEW CONSTRUCTION, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE TIED UP IN THE AIR PLANS, BUT I HAVE SOLIDIFIED EXACTLY WHAT I WANT, WHAT WE'RE GOING O TO DO AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. .

ER YOU BROUGHT UP ANOTHER ISSUE HERE, THAT'S FUNDING OF THE PROJECT.

>> YES. >> TO HIRE THE BUILDER, YOU NEED A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY DOWN,

THEN THEY START DOING ALL THE DESIGN WORK AND ALL THAT? >> YES.

>> WHERE ARE YOU IN THE FINANCING PROCESS, HE'S REFERRED YOU TO SOME BANGBACKER

BANKS, HAVE YOU SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS? >> CORRECT.

I'VE ONLY SPOKEN WITH -- WELL, WE'RE LOOKING AT LENDING WITH MY UNCLE AND I WOULD BE DOING THIS PROJECT TOGETHER BY THE WAY, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT VA FUNDING, ALL OF THAT IS -- I'VE ONLY SPOKEN WITH [INAUDIBLE] WHICH IS TRUE AND I GO BACK TO NOT THAT THIS PLAY AS MAJOR ROLE, IT DOES FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, DIVORCE SETTLEMENT AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS KIND OF NOW THAT I MADE A POINT AND DONE WITH THOSE THINGS NOW THAT I'M A N A FINANCIAL POSITION WHERE I MAY JUST DO SOME UPFRONT FUNDING BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

>> OKAY, SO YOU'RE ON MULTIPLE TRACKS HERE, YOU HAVE FINANCE, DESIGN, DESIGN BUILD PACKAGE WITH THE CRACK TOR ALREADY IN PLACE, SO THOSE TIMELINES THAT COMMISSIONER GA*UNS GA*INS WAS REFERRING TO THAT WE WERE JUST HATING ABOUT EARLIER, WHAT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH ON THOSE TIMELINES. YOU'RE GOING O TO HAVE TO SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THEM, GIVE HIM A BIG CHECK AND HIRE ARCHITECT AND IS ENGINEER TOS DO YOUR DESIGN.

TLFRJTS'S BEEN A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BUILDER BUT THE TWO KIND OF OPTIONS THAT HE'S TALKED ABOUT, POSSIBLE CONSTRUCTION FUNDING WHICH I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S -- IT DEPENDS ON IF I DO CASH UP, I HAVE TO DECIDE ON THAT BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT THE LEAST EXPENSIVE COST TO MAKE IT A SOLID PROJECT BUT AFFORDABLE TOO.

SO, THAT WAS ONE PROJECT, BUT HE HAS ASSURED ME THAT PLANS AND COMING UP WITH FOUNDATION THAT HE COULD WORK WITH -- WITHIN A YEAR THA,'S WHAT THE BUILDER TOLD ME, THE ONE THAT'S

KIND OF MY TOP BID FOR NOW. >> AND YOU'RE SUBJECTING THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT A

FOUNDATION IN, YOU'RE BUILDING A HOUSE? >> MY GOAL IS TO BUILD A HOUSE.

THAT'S MOI GOAL. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE DONE WITHIN A YEAR.

>> I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT, THE BUILDER HAS NOT TOLD ME THAT SO YOU BROUGHT UP A

GOOD POINT. >> IF YOU DO IT WITHIN A YEAR, I'LL BRING THE CHAMPAGNE.

AND THEN I'LL ASK FOR YOUR BUILDER TO COME AND BILL FOR ME. YOU IMMEDIATE TO BE CAUTIOUS

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HERE, AS COMMISSIONER GA*IN GA*INS IS DRIVING DOWN THE PATH HERE, HE'S SAYING WE NEED SOME IRONCLAD COMMITMENT AND IS IRONCLAD DATES T SUGGESTION I'M GOING MAKE FOR YOU, IF YOU SELF-FUND COMING OUT OF THE GROUND, YOU MAY WANT O CONSIDER TO DO THAT TO SPEED THE PROCESS DOWN BECAUSE YOUR LOAN MAY SLOW YOU DOWN IN BEING ABLE TO EXECUTE THIS DEAL, I'M NOT TELLING YOU HOW TO DO YOUR BUSINESS, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME, YOU HIRE HIM, YOU GIVE HIM THE MONEY HE NEEDS AND GET IN FOR PERMITS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THAT COULD BE FOUR MONTHS. THIS COULD BE THE OFF THE SHELF PLANS HE'S GET FRAMING AN ARCHITECT THAT NEED TO BE DOCKETED UP A BIT, CUSTOM BUILDS TAKE LONGER BECAUSE IT'S SPECIFIC DESIGN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET ON THIS AND GET IT GOING AND SIGNING THE CONTRACT WITH HIM ASK GIVING HIM MUST BE IS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

>> UNDERSTOOD. >> THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE. >> MS. MILLER, ARE YOU GOING TO BE HERE IN FORT PIERCE DOING THIS OR ARE YOU GOING TO GO BACK TO GEORGIA?

>> I'LL BE GOING BACK AND FORTH. ER RJT YU EEL BE GOWNING BACK AND FORTH.

ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS? >> DO YOU HAVE A PLACE HERE? >> NO, I DOPE HAVE A PLACE HERE.

WHEN I'M HERE, I'M WITH MY UNCLE. >> SHE'S TRYING TO HAVE A A

PLACE HERE? >> IS IT A DUPLEX? >> YOU'RE ON ONE SIDE AND YOUR

UNCLE HAS THE OTHER SIDE? >> YES. >> REAL QUICK, YOU SAID SOMETHING, YOU SAID IT WAS THE ORIGINAL PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS FAMILY PROPERTY SO, I'VE LOOKED IT UP DURING MY RESEARCH BEFORE THIS MEETING, DO YOU -- DOES THE FAMILY OWN THE LOTS ON EITHER SIDE OF IT AND IT'S THREE LOTS TLA YOU'RE TRYING AND IT'S THE MIDDLE LOT WE'RE

TALKING ABOUT, SO HOW IS THE BREAKDOWN SO I'M CLEAR. >> THE BREAKDOWN IS TWO

PROPERTIES SIDE BY SIDE, 706 AND 708. >> RIGHT, SO IT'S THE TWO PROPERTIES, IT'S THE -- IS IT THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST OR WEST THAT -- I'M TRYING --

>> IT TAOES ONE O THE WEST THAT'S THE 708. >> IT'S HARD TO LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS AND HOW TO LOOK ON GOOGLE MAP AND IS TRY TO PUT IT AND I DID DRIVE OVER THERE SO I'M LIKE OKAY, NOW I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT GOOGLE MAP SAYS SO I DON'T HAVE THE STUFF, NOW I GOT IT.

HERESIES A PROPERTY SO IT WAS A FAMILY PROPERTY THAT WAS LOST BECAUSE SOME ELDERLY SOMETHING AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS STEP INTO RETRIEVER THE FAMILY PROPERTY AND KEEP IT IN THE

FAMILY AND HAVE IT FOR YOU AND YOUR UNCLE. >> MORE FOR MY UNCLE.

>> IS HE A RESIDENT OF FORT PIERCE? >> YES.

>> ATTORNEY HEDGES, WE JUST LEARNED SOMETHING FROM COMMISSIONER GAINES, DOES HE HAVE TO ANNOUNCE THAT AS EX-PARTE HAVING VISITOR THE SITE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH?

>> IT'S QUASI-JUDICIAL. >> MADAM CHAIR, YES, WE'RE NOT IN THE QUASI-JUDICIAL, SO NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT FOR PURPOSES OF THIS TYPE OF HEARING.

>> WE HAVE NUANCES I CONTINUE TO LEARN. >> YES, SIR.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> SO, YOU DID DISCLOSE IT. >> MS. MILLER, SO YOU ALREADY

HAVE 706? >> YES, MA'AM. >> SO 708 IS ADDITIONAL FOR THE

FAMILY? >> YES. >> OKAY.

>> MS. MILLER, I'M STILL NOT CLEAR WHAT'S OUR TIMEFRAME HERE, ARE WE LOOKING TO LOOK

FOR TO* THE APPLICANT AS TO THE TIMEFRAME. >> I ASKED FOR A YEAR BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE, BASED ON THE COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE STAINING 18 MONTHS.

I'M GOING TO GO WITH YOUR EXPERTISE, I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IS BEING PRESENTED THAT I'M WITHIN THE MEANS OF WHAT YOU SER -- YOU'RE SUBJECTING AS WELL, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH AN EXPERT WHO SAID THEY COULD DO IT WITHIN A YEAR BUT IT'S NOT MY AREA, I MEAN, I'VE HAD SEVERAL HOMES BUILT BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE. HE'S ASSURED ME WITHIN A IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A HUGE PLACE BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO WORK WITHIN WHATEVER SUGGESTIONS --

>> HE'S SAYING WITHIN A YEAR. >> HE'S SAYING FOUNDATION AND PLANS, THAT'S WHAT HE'S TELLING

ME. >> I'M SAYING 18 MONTHS I WOULD HAVE A FINISHED HOUSE THERE, SO 12 MONTHS, I THINK YOU NEED A BENCHMARK DATE OF SIX MONTHS OUT HAVE PLANS OR PERMIT IN

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HAND OR BE IN FOR PERMITTING. >> THAT IS MY PLAN. >> THAT IS AN INTERIM STEP TO SHOW GOOD FAITH THAT PLANS HAVE BEEN E HAVE BEEN SUBMIT AND HAD FUNDS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.

A DEAL IS NOT A DEAL UNTIL SOMEBODY'S SPENDING MONEY AND THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP AND SPEND MONEY WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR TO GET THOSE PLANS DRAWING UP, SUBMIT IT TO THE BUILDING PELTER, IN SIX MONTH, I WOULD LIKE THE SEE SUBMISSION HAVE BEEN MADE TO

THE SI WITH A FORMALIZED SET OF PLANS. >> I THINK I CAN DO THAT AND

THAT IS MY PLAN. >> THAT'S A REASONABLE TIMELINE TO ENGAGE A CONTRACTOR, MA'AM, HE'S GOING TO HIRE THE PEOPLE HE NEEDS, THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF HE NEEDS TO GET IT DONE AND WITHIN SIX MONTH, YOU HAVE SUBMITTED FOR YOUR PERMIT, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR PERMIT, THE PERMIT TURN AROUND TIME IS 45 TO 60 DIALYSES, I -- DAYS THA, PUTS YOU OUT TO 8 MONTHS, AT 8 MONTHS, YOU PUT SHOVELS IN THE GROWN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT THING BUILT IN FOUR MONTHS, YOU MIGHT HAVE A FOUNDATION POURED WITHIN THE FOUR MONTHS, MIGHT, COMMISSIONER GAINES SAID IT BEST, I DON'T WANT TO SET YOU UP FAR FAILURE. IF THIS BOARD'S INCLINE TODAY GO ALONG WITH AN EXTENSION, WHEN I WALKED IN HERE, I WAS NOT BUT COMMISSIONER GAINES MAKE AS COMPELLING ARGUMENT, COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY HAS MADE AN ARGUMENT THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND I'VE MADE THAT ARGUMENT AS WELL, IF YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH THE INTERIM GUIDE LINE AND IS KEEP MS. GARCIA IN THE LOOP AS FAR AS WHAT'S TRANCE PIERCING WITH THAT, SHE'S GOING TO BE STRINGING IN FRONT OF US SAYING NO PERMITS HAVE BEEN APPLIED FOR AND NO PLANS HAVE BEEN SHIFTED, AT

THAT POINT I'M OUT THE DOOR. >> I THINK TLA'S THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHATEVER -- IF THIS IS ANY EXTENSION, ANYMORE TIME IS GIVEN, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT'S GOT TO BE THAT, WHATEVER THE COMMITMENT IS, THAT'S GOING TO BE IT. COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> JUST FOR THE RECORD, SO EVERYBODY IS CLEAR. AND THIS IS A QUASI -- YOU GET THE ADDRESS, FEEL FREE TO LOOK AT IT AND SO YOU GET A BIGGER PICTURE, EVEN MANY THE QUASI, YOU CAN SAY YOU SXWENT SAW IT, DON'T GET IN TROUBLE LIKE THAT, BUT WHEN I CAME IN, I WAS IN MY MEETING WITH MY CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER, I SAID IT, THERE IS NO EXCUSE THE APPLICANT CAN SAY I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING THE FIVE YEARS AND THEN I SAID, OKAY, THIS LOOKS LIKE A FAMILY LOT, LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP IN THE FAMILY SO I STARTED PULLING -- I'M MORE WITH MY COMMISSIONER HERE THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND WE HAVE TO START WITH EVERYBODY PULLINGSTUFF, BUT THIS ONE TIME IF YOU CAN HAVE SOME PLANS IN SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING SHOWING YOU ARE SERIOUS IN SIX MONTHS, I'M LEANING TOWARDSDOING IT AS LONG AS MADAM ATTORNEY ASSURES ME THAT IF IT'S NOT DONE OR WHATEVER WE HAVE DONE OR ASKED MORE IF SIX MONTHS, THE CONTRACT BE VOIDED OR WHATEVER BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT IS COME BACK AND SAY WELL THE CONTRACT ALLOWS FOR WHATEVER, WE NEED SOMETHING WITHIN SIX MONTHS TO SHOW THAT THIS APPLICANT IS SERIOUS AND SHE'S MOVING AHEAD TO GET SHOVEL INS THE GROUND AND NEGOTIATIONS, YOU KNOW, GIVE HER TIME TO GO TALK TO HER CONSTRUCTION PERP AND LET HER KNOW BEFORE SHE SIGN IT IS CONTRACT, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY IS SAYING, IF IT CAN'T BE DONE, LET US KNOW, BUT BEFORE I PULL A PROJECT, I WANT TO, COMMISSIONER, DON'T GET ME WRONG, I HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR AND I HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR LAST MONDAY OR -- YEAH, LAST MONDAY, I HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR AND WE HAVE TO START, BUT SOMETHING IS TELLING ME SIX MONTHS WILL NOT KILL US AND IF I GET A DUPLEX AND A NEW RESIDENT IN FORT PIERCE IS SOMETHING THAT I'M WILLING TO GIVE SIX MONTH TOS SEE, BUT IF WE COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS AND MS. GARCIA SAYS THAT NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE, THEN I'M LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW, LIKE

COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, I WILL JUST BE DONE WITH THIS PROJECT. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES, I

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LISTENED TO WHAT COMMISSIONER BRODERICK SAID, SO WHAT I WROTE DOWN HERE AND SEE IF I TOOK WHAT YOU SAID CLEARLY, SOME BENCHMARKS, I HEARD THAT FROM ONE TO SIX MONTH, PLANS AND PERMIT IN PROCESS. SIX TO 12 MONTHS, FOUNDATION COMPLETED AND THEN 12-18 MONTHS, A FOR BUILD. IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU TO SAY?

> I WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT IF THE APPLICANT WOULD? >> I BELIEVE THAT'S DOABLE BASED OFF WHAT THE BUILDER HAS SHARED WITH ME. I BELIEVE THAT'S DOABLE.

>> PLANS AND PERMITS OR SIX MONTHS PLANS AND INFRAPERMITS, 12 MONTHS, PERMITS COMPLETED, 18 MONTHS, HOUSE IS COMPLETED. IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME ATTENTION AND SOME MONEY, TWO

MINOR COMPONENT TOS GET IT DONE BUT IT'S VERY DOABLE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE

BOARD. >> YES, SIR. >> SO, THIS WOULD BE A CONTRACT HAS WOULD BE DRAWN UP, RIGHT, BECAUSE WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A CONTRACT, SO IT WOULD BE A NEW CONTRACT STIPULATION, YOU WOULD HAVE O SIGN IT, THIS NEW CONTRACT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE WITH THE ATTORNEY AND YOU OR WHOEVER YOUR ATTORNEY IS, AT ANY POINT THAT ANY ONE OF THESE MILESTONES IS NOT MET, THAT TRIGGERS THE CLAWBACK, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT THA,'S MY

UNDERSTANDING, OKAY. >> THAT'S HOW I WROTE IT. >> BASED UPON YOU ACCEPTING THIS NEW SIPPED DEAL THAT WE HAVE UNDER OUR NEW CONTRACT I WANT TO CALL IT, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD -- AND I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO READ IT, UNDERSTAND IT AND MAYBE GET SOME FEEDBACK BECAUSE IT HAS VERY CLEAR STIPULATIONS ON WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EITHER ONE OF THOSE SEGMENTS ARE NOT MET BECAUSE WE DON'T GATE PLAN IN SIX MONTHS, WE'RE BACK HERE BEING O .DATE AND HAD THE CLAWBACK STARTS AUTOMATICALLY, IT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS AT THAT POINT.

>> IT BECOMES THE CRITICAL POINT ON YOU NEED TO COMMUNICATE WITH HER TIMELY SO SHE'S AWARE OF THIS. SHE WILL BE CALL INTONED A MEETING HERE AND ASKED TO EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON AND WE WANT TO HEAR THAT EVERYTHING DISCUSSED HERE HAS BEEN MET AND

SHE'S YOUR ADVOCATE HERE. >> AND MS. MILLER, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS TOO.

YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS EXPECTED OF YOU NR THE PREVIOUS --

>> AS FAR AS TIMELINE. >> YES, AND THIS EXTENSION, YOU NEED TO BE CLEAR WHAT IS

EXPECTED OF YOU BECAUSE THAT WON'T WASH A SECOND TIME. >> UNDERSTOOD.

>> YEAH, IT WON'T. >> UNDERSTOOD. >> YEAH, SO, AND SO WE NEED TO -- AND I THINK WE CALL IT -- WELL, WITH IT'S AN EXTENSION OF THE CONTRACT WITH REQUIREMENTS

THAT HAVE TO BE MET. >> MADAM CHAIR? >> MS. HEDGES? JTS IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE CONSENSUS CORRECTLY, WHAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO IS GRANT AN EXTENSION BUT BRING THIS UNDER OUR CURRENT PROCESS WITH A CURRENT CRACK THAT WE USE GIVING THE MILESTONES YOU HAVE PUT IN PLACE AND STATED AND I WATCHED MS. GARCIA TAKE SOME NOTES ON THOSE TIMELINE SOS WE CAN PUT THAT INTO HAS AGREEMENT. SO, IF THAT IS THE CONSENSUS, WHAT WOE DO IS PUT THAT AGREEMENT TOGETHER, PROVIDE IT TO MS. MILLER TO REVIEW.

IT WOULD COME BACK BEFORE YOU IN APRIL TO APPROVE THAT AGREEMENT.

BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR THE QUESTION WAS ASKED IF IT'S AUTOMATIC THAT IT'S VOIDED IF SHE VIOLATES, IT IS NOT, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD IF SHE'S IN VIOLATION OF THE CONTRACT. AT THAT POINT THIS BOARD WOULD NEED TO GIVE DIRECTION TO US TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT AND PROCEED WITH TAKE THING PROPERTY BACK, SO ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE ON THIS BOARD TO MAKE A DECISION TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT.

WE WOULD NOT DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S YOUR CONTRACT, WE WOULDN'T DO IT.

>> IT WOULD BE BEFORE 18 MONTHS. >> AS SOON AS THE DEADLINE BENCHMARK WAS MET, YES, MA'AM.

>> CORRECT. >> THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.

>> AND MADAM CHAIR, WHAT I WANT TO SAY, FOR ME, IT IS LIKE OUR NEW SURPLUS AGREEMENT, SO I DON'T SEE IT AN EXTENSION, WE PASSED THAT, WE ENTER INTO A NEW AGREEMENT WITH AN 18 MONTH AGREEMENT, YOU'RE SIGN THIRSTING CONTRACT, YOU DONE HAVE TO SIGN IT, YOU CAN GO ANOTHER ROUTE AND SAY I DON'T WAN TO DO THIS, WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, ONCE YOU MAKE THAT COMMITMENT, THEN WE HAVE EXPECTATIONS THAT ARE SET FORTH AND LINED OUT IN THAT NEW AGREEMENT, IF YOU AGREE TO IT, AND THOSE MILESTONES. THE THOSE MILESTONE ARES NOT MET EITHER AT THE 6 MONTH, 12 MONTH OR 18 MONTH, MS. GAR YEAH WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF US.

THE SENTIMENT YOU'RE HEAR FRAMING THE BOARD IS THIS IS IT, THERE'S NO MORE EXTENSIONS SO, YOU HAVE TO THINK REALLY CAREFUL AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME TIME.

WHAT I HEARD YOU REALLY NEED TO MEET WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR AND GET SOME IRONCLAD STUFF FROM THEM ALMOST IN WRITING THAT THEY CAN FULFILL THIS TIMELINE BEFORE YOU SIGN THE AGREEMENT

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WITH US. I MUST SAY THAT ON RECORD. PLEASE, LOOK AT THEM AND MAKE THIS -- GET THEM TO COMMIT TO YOU AND YOU NEED THAT IN WRITING BECAUSE THE LENIENCY IS -- THIS IS IT. THIS IS IT. SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THIS IS IT FOR ME, WE'RE GOING TO GO -- I THINK I CAN AGREE WITH THIS BUT THIS IS IT.

>> COMMISSIONER? SO, AGAIN, I'M TAKING NOTES AND MS. GARCIA, I KNOW YOU ARE, SO AS I WAS UNDERSTANDING IT, I'M GOING THE REPEAT IT AGAIN. THE REQUEST FOR BENCHMARKS, ONE TO SIX MONTHS THA, DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WAIT UNTIL LIKE FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS AND THEN NOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING DONE, NO. ONE TO SIX MONTHS, YOU CAN DO IT FASTER, ONE TO SIX MONTH, PLANS AND PERMIT, THAT'S A BENCHMARK. SIX TO 12 MONTHS, COMPLETED FOUNDATION. 12-18 MONTH, A FULL BUILD BUT NO ONE HAS SAID THIS, I WOULD ASK THERE BE AT LEAST A ONCE A MONTH PROGRESS REPORT TO MS. GARCIA IN AN E-MAIL OR A PHONE CALL OR BOTH. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD ETL SAY, I'M GOING TO SIT BACK AND --

>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ONE MONTH, THAT'S FINE, THE E-MAIL, PHONE CALL, JUST TO SEE WHERE WE ARE, I AGREE WITH THAT. BACKING UP ON WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID, WHEN YOU TALK TO YOUR CONTRACTOR, IF HE WANTS TO GET THE VOICE OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING UP HERE, TELL HIM TO GO ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND LOOK AT THIS MEETING AND HEAR EXACTLY WHAT EVERY ONE OF THESE COMMISSIONERS AND MADAM MAYOR CHAIR SAID SO THERE WON'T BE ANY CONFUSION TO WHAT DIRECTIONS WE'RE GIVING YOU BEFORE YOU SIGN. AND LET HIM KNOW AND AS COMMISSIONER JOHN A SON SAID, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE, CAN YOU DO THIS AND WE'RE UNDER NEGOTIATIONS WITH MS. GARCIA AND MADAM ATTORNEY, THAT'S THE TIME BECAUSE WHEN YOU SIGN, WHATEVER THOSE NUMBERS ARE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HOLD YOU TO.

>> MADAM CHAIR ?FRJTS YES, MS. HEMMING? >> WOULD YOU LIKE A BENCHMARK DEADLINE BY WHICH A TIMEFRAME SHE HAS TO SBRAO THE CRACK WITH THE CONTRACTOR? NLTS IT HAS TO BE WITHIN A MONTH, IF YOU CAN GET IT OUT TO HER.

>> SH WILL BE A NEW CONTRACT WILL COME BACK BEFORE YOU IN APRIL.

SO, -- >> THAT'S ONLY 30 DAYS FROM NOW. >> YES, SIR.

THE FPRA BOARD MEETS ONCE A MONTH. >> THE EFFECTIVE DATE WOULD BE THAT MEETING THEN, SHE SIGNS IT, WE COUNTERSIGN IT THA,'S WHEN THE CLOCK START INS MY OPINION, SO YOU GET A MONTH FREE, YOU CAN DO SOT HUSTLING IN A MONTH HERE TO GET THING

INS LINE. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, I UNDERSTOOD ATTORNEY HEDGES WOULD BRING IT TO US FOR APPROVAL, WHEN SHE WRITES IT UP, WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT CONTRACT TERM THAT IS WE JUST STATED AND VOTE ON IT IN A CITY COMMISSION MEETING

AND -- >> WHY CAN'T WE HAVE HER SIGN SXIT BRING IT BACK TO RATIFY IT?

>> WE HAVE TO SEE IT IN WRITING. >> SOMETIMES I'M OUT THERE IN THE FIELD, NOT SITTING HERE.

>> WE HAVE IS TO AGREE WITH THE TERMS. >> OKAY.

>> SO, MY QUESTION IS THAT FPRA, IT WILL COME HERE, DOES IT HAVE TO GO TO CITY

COMMISSION TOO? >> NO, SIR. >> THE BENEFIT OF HAVING SOME

FREE TIME HERE. >> YEAH. >> AND I'M GOING TO JUST -- I'M NOT ADVISING YOU IN ANY CAPACITY, OKAY, VA FUNDING FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IS A BIT OF A CHALLENGE AND THE TIMELINES ARE EXTENDED VERSUS STANDARD LENDS SOING YOU MAY WANT TO WEIGH THAT. SELF-FUNDING, I WOULD BE PREPARED TO SELF-FUND THE

INITIAL OUTLAYS HERE. >> VA IS TOP CHOICE RIGHT NOW. >> BECAUSE VA, THE DOWN PAYMENT

REQUIREMENTS ARE VIRTUALLY NOTHING. >> I'M INTO THE AGREEMENT WITH

-- >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR.

>> SO, THAT IS TOP -- SO, TIMEFRAME, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT -- WOULD THAT BEING SAUD THAT'S GOING THE PLAY A ROLE IN THOSE BENCHMARKS BASED OFF THE GUIDELINES.

>> I'M NOT ADVISE, I WANTED TO TELL YOU -- >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> IF I WAS IN THAT SITUATION, GO TELL THE DRAORK I'M GOIPG TO GIVE YOU MONEY UPFRONT TO HAVE THE PLANS READY FOR PERMITTING, I'M GIVING YOU PLANS FOR PERMITTING, TLA'S IT.

THAT SHOULDN'T BE MORE THAN 15 THOUSAND DOLLARS. >> OKAY.

>> SO, YOU SWING THAT, YOU GET HIM GOING, AND YOU LEAVE IT THERE.

COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY, THE BENCHMARK AND IS SENIOR STUFF GETTING DONE, WHEN WE HAVE DONE DEALS LIKE THIS STUFF IN THE PAST, YOU GO OUT THERE AND YOU MEET WITH CONTRACTORS ON SITE, WORK THAT'S NOT BEING PERMITTED, YOU HAVE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, YOU HAVE THINGS

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POP INSTANTLY. >> I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION, WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT THE PERMIT? OKAY. I DIDN'T HEAR IT.

>> I WAS RECOMMENDING -- >> HE WAS TALKING TO ME. >> WHAT HE SAID, DON'T THROW OUT NUMBERS, HE SAID 15 THOUSAND, HE SAID DON'T THROW OUT NUMBERS BECAUSE --

>> I'M NOT ADVISING, I KNOW WHAT I WOULD SPEND TO GET THAT PORG OF IT DONE AND HOW I WOULD PHRASE THAT WITH THE CONTRACTOR, YOU'RE GOING INTO THE SOFT PHASES OF THAT, THAT'S PLANS INTO PERMITTING, THAT'S PLANS INTO FERMENTING, THAT'S SIX MONTHS, THAT'S WHAT YOU

HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE BOARD ALSO, WHAT'S THE PERMIT IN THE FOUNDATION IS POURED, ALL STIPULATIONS REMOVED OFF OF THE PROPERTY?

>> THE STP LACING IS FINISH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE IN 18 MONTHS.

>> ON THIS NEW CONTRACT? >> YES. >> BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS ONE, IT

WAS POUR FOUNDATION. >> WHICH MAKES -- >> WHICH IS WHY I WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR. EVEN WITHIN THE FIVE YEARS, WHAT ARE MY SEPSES, WHERE DID I NEED TO BE TIME-WISE, AND NOT AN EXCUSE, JUST BEING FULLY TRANSPARENT OF WHAT I WAS

THINKING GOING THROUGH THE CONTRACT. >> YOU HAVE TO BE CLEAR, MAD

EVER -- MADAM ATTORNEY, STATE WHAT WE HAVE ALL SAID. >> BASICALLY SHE HAS SIX MONTHS TO OBTAIN PERMITS, SHE HAS A TOTAL OF 12 MONTHS SO 6 PLUS 6, 12 TOTAL MONTHS TO POUR HER FOUNDATION, SHE THEN HAS AN ADDITIONAL SIX MONTHS FOR A TOTAL OF 18 MONTHS FROM THE TIME WE EXECUTE THE CONTRACT TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WHICH IS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SAYING YOU'RE GOOD TO GO, SOMEONE CAN MOVE INTO THIS PROPERTY.

THE OUTSTANDING QUESTION I HAD IS WHETHER THIS BOARD WANTED AN EARLIER DEADLINE MILESTONE OF HER EXECUTING A CONTRACT WITH A CONTRACTOR SAY AROUND TWO MONTHS OR THREE MONTHS FOR ANY ADDITIONAL MILESTONES SINCE IT APPEARS THAT THAT'S A QUESTION AND AN ISSUE.

BUT ALL OF THIS WOULD BE PROVIDED TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN REVIEW ALL OF IT, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, THIS BOARD CAN'T GIVE YOU LEGAL ADVICE, I CAN'T GIVE YOU LEGAL ADVICE, YOU WILL FLEXED TO CONSULT YOUR OWN ATTORNEY IF YOU DO FOT UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL TERNS OF

THAT CONTRACT. >> I'M NOT GIVING YOU CONSTRUCTION ADVICE EITHER, I'M

TELLING YOU WHAT I WOULD DO. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> SO, WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, ARE WE GOING TO DO -- CAN WE DO THIS BY CONSENSUS OR YOU WANT A

MOTION? >> YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A MOTION.

>> SO, YOU WILL HAVE TO DID A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT. THE DIRECTION THAT WE NEEDED WE'VE OBTAINED, OTHER THAN THE -- MY FINAL QUESTION RELATED TO WHETHER YOU WANT A DEADLINE TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT WITH A CONTRACTOR, I'M HEARING A HEAD SHAKE NO, I HEARD A VERBAL NO.

>> THE TO TIE INTO THE SIX MONTH TIMELINE, IT PLACES THE BURDEN ON YOU AS THE PROPERTY OWNER TO GET THAT DONE, I DON'T NEED TO GET INTO HER PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HER CONTRACTOR. WEFRMGT DO NOT NEED AN OFFICIAL MOTION TONIGHT BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE THIS BACK TO YOU FOR AN OFFICIAL CONTRACT TO APPROVE. HOWEVER, IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION THAT SAYS WE ARE GOING TO GRANT THE EXTENSION OR WE INTEND TO, THE PROBLEM IS LET'S SAY NEGOTIATIONS FALL THROUGH AND SHE ISN'T ABLE TO AGREE TO THOSE TIMELINES, THAT PUTS US IN A BAD SPOT SO I'M COMFORTABLE THAT WE RECEIVED RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT A FORMAL AGREEMENT WEBSINGER WILL NOT TAKE ANY ACTION BETWEEN NOW AND APRIL TO RECLAIM THE PROPERTY

BACK BASED ON THE DEED DIRECTION YOU GAVE TODAY. >> MS. GARCIA, ARE YOU CLEAR ON WHAT WE STATED? . ER YES.

>> BOARD MEMBERS? >> I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID, YOU JUST SAID IN SIX MONTHS BE IT PERMIT, I WOULD LIKE THE HEAR THE WORDS PLANS AND PERMIT BECAUSE THE IDEA ABOUT THE ONCE A MONTH PROGRESS REPORT IS TO FIND OUT WHERE SHE IS IN THAT PROCESS.

>> YES, SIR. >> SO, OKAY, THAT WAY WE KNOW WHETHER SHE'S TALKING TO A CONTRACTOR, WHETHER THAT'S CONTRACTOR BEEN SIGN WITCHED THAT CONTRACTOR OR NOT.

THAT'S ONE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE. WHERE ARE YOU, DO YOU HAVE THE CONTRACT WITH THE CONTRACTOR, ETC., ETC., ONE TO SIX MONTHS GOES FASTER, THAT'S FINE.

6-12 MONTHS, FOUNDATION, 12-18 MONTHS, FULL BUILD, AND BECAUSE YOU SUGGESTED AS YOU SAID FROM THE DAIS THAT IN 18 MONTHS, I WANT TO HAVE A FULL BUILDING, SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE HAVE.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MOVING FORWARD WITH A MOTION, MADAM ATTORNEY, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE ARE CHANGING THE DYNAMIC OF WHAT THIS IS IN FRONT OF US FROM THE EXTENSION TO THE NEW CONTRACT

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AND I THINK IN A YEAR TO YEAR LEGAL, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WOULD REQUIRE -- BECAUSE IT'S CHANGE IN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY SO WE'RE -- SOMEBODY UP HERE WILL MAKE A MOTION TO

CHANGE WHAT IT IS IN FRONT OF US AS THE AGENDA ITEM. >> I CAN TRY.

>> MS. HEDGES? >> MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, YOU CAN.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION BUT I DON'T THINK WE LEGALLY REQUIRE ONE CURRENTLY, BUT IF

YOU WANT TO COMPOSE A MOTION, WE WILL -- >> THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH

IT I GUESS. >> EXACTLY. >> SO, LET ME TRY.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MAKE NO DECISION ON AN EXTENSION BUT WE AGREE TO ENTER INTO A NEW CONTRACT WITH THE APPLICANT BASED ON THE STIPULATIONS THAT ONE TO SIX MONTHS PLANS AND IS PERMIT, SIX TO 12 MONTHS MOUND DASHING, 12-18 MONTHS FULL BUILD.

>> AND MADAM CHAIR, MY LEGAL CONCERN WITH COUCH THIRSTING IS SOMETHING OTHER THAN AN EXTENSION IS THAT WE CIRCUMVENTED ALL OUR REQUIREMENTS TO PUT THIS PROPERTY BACK OUT FOR A BID. SO WE'RE NOW OPERATING UNDER AN STENG, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD

BE THAT YOU NEED TO PUT THIS BACK OUT FOR A BID. >> SO, --

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, MOTION WITHDRAWN? >> YES, MOTION WITHDRAWN.

SO, WE ENTER INTO A NO EXTENSION, I MAKE A MOTION WE ENTER INTO A NEW EXTENSION WITH THE STATED PARAMETERS OF ONE TO SIX MONTHS PLANS AND PERMIT, 6-12 MONTHS FOUNDATION, 12-18 MONTHS FULL BUILD WITH ONE MONTH INTERVAL CHECK-INS WITH THE CITY.

>> AND IS THAT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION UNDER THE NEW SURPLUS PROPERTY AGREEMENT.

>> UNDER THE NEW SURPLUS PROPERTY AGREEMENT. >> I AISLE SECOND THAT BUT I'M

GOING THE SUBJECTING SIX MONTHS PLANS SUBMITTED FOR PERMIT. >> WELL, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK

JUST SAID SIX MONTH SOS I REMAKE MY MOTION TO ADD. >> FOUNDATION COMPLETED, 18

MONTHS. >> HOLD ON, HOLD ON. I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION AGAIN. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, MAKE THE MOTION AND

I'LL SECOND IT. >> 18 MONTH EXTENSION WITH THE FOLLOWING BENCHMARK, 6 MONTHS PLANS SUBMITTED, PROFESSIONAL PLANS SUBMITTED FOR PERMITTING, 12 MONTHS, FOUNDATION

COMPLETED, 18 MONTHS, CO ISSUED FOR COMPLETION OF CONSTRUCTION. >> AND WITH THE ONE MONTH INTERVAL? . INGER YES.

>> WITH THE ONE MONTH CHECK-INS. >> YES.

>> ALL GOOD? JTS STAFF, DID YOU GET THAT? >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE MADAM

CLERK GOT THAT? >> ONE MORE TIME, I'M SORRY. >> SO, IF I CAN RESTATE IT, MOTION IS TO GRANT AN EXTENSION FOR 18 MONTHS WITH BENCHMARKS OF BETWEEN 1-6 MONTH TOS AHAVE PLANS SNITCHED FOR PERMITTING APPROVAL WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, BETWEEN 6-12 MONTH TOS HAVE THE FOUNDATION POURED, WITHE 12-18 MONTHS TO HAVE THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ISSUED FOR THE BUILDING AND TO PROVIDE ONE MONTH CHECK-INS WITH THE FPRA, MS. GARCIA SPECIFICALLY, ON THIS PROPERTY AND TO HAVE THIS PUT INTO THE SURPLUS PROPERTY AGREEMENT THAT THE

CITY -- SORRY TFPRA CURRENTLY USES. >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

>> SECOND. >> GOT IT? >> YES.

>> YOU GOT IT, MS. GARCIA? >> YES, UNDERSTOOD. >> HAVE YOU GOT IT, MS. MILLER?

>> I THINK SO, I WILL RESTATE TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR. 18 MONTHS -- EXTENSION IS WHAT WE'RE GOING WITH, NOT NEW CONTRACT, CORRECT? THAT PART, I JUST WAN TO MAKE

SURE I'M CLEAR WITH IS THAT >> THE EXTENSION WITH STIPULATIONS.

>> WITH STIPULATIONS, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S AN EXTENSION IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEW

CONTRACT, IS THAT WHAT I'M TAKING AWAY? >> YES.

>> OKAY, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THE BENCHMARKS ARE 1-6, PERMIT, PROFESSIONAL PERMIT AS WELL AS PLANS AND IS 6-12, FOUNDATION, AND 12-18,

CONSTRUCTION. >> AND THE CO IN 18 MONTHS, AND ONE MONTH CHECK-IN WITH MS.

GARCIA, SHE NEEDS TO HEAR FROM YOU. >> AND 19 MONTHS, YOUR UNCLE'

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THROWING A PARTY OVER THERE. . INGER WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO PLAN

THIS FOR A MINUTE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'VE WORKED HARD HERE BETWEEN

THE TWO OF US. >> WE HAVE A TO VOTE. >> SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO STAND UP

HERE. >> I PRAOESH IT. >> ALRIGHT.

WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND, LET'S CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY?

>> I'M GOING TO VOTE NO AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO START MAKING A MOVE THE OTHER DIRECTION. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE A CONSENSUS HERE TODAY, I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN THE WAY BUT I HAVE TO SET SOME KIND OF A POSITION THAT SAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE WHAT WE DO, HOW WE DO IT GOING FORWARD.

I COUNTED THE VOTES, I THINK THAT THEY ARE THERE BUT MY VOTE IS GOING TO BE NO TODAY AND IT WILL BE NO WITH WH* THE CONTRACT COMES BACK IN APRIL FOR THOSE REASONS.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

>> YES. >> CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

[A. March 2026 Programs & Activities Summary]

>> ALRIGHT, NEXT IS STAFF COMMENTS. >> MR. CHESS?

>> I HAVE JUST ONE BIT OF NEWS, WE RECEIVED AN APPROVAL FOR THE KAINS LANDING PROJECT AT THE LAST HOTEL ON DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING ON FEBRUARY 19, THAT'S EXCELLENT NEWS FOR

US, THEY GAVE US THE THUMB'S UP AND APPROVAL. >> IT IS GREAT NEWS, RIGHT.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >> OUR NEW APPOINTEE TO THE CRA COMMITTEE, HE DID SHOW UP SO I WANTED EVERYBODY -- HE DID SHOW UP AND CAME IN, I WANTED US TO SEE OUR NEW BOARD MEMBER, MR. SANDS IS NR THE BACK, RAISE YOUR HAND SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE HIM, IF YOU SEE HIM AROUND, WHEN I POINT SOMEBODY, I LIKE TO BRING THEM HERE SO WE CAN ALL KNOW WHO IT IS, THAT'S ONE OF THE GUYS THAT'S GOING TO HELP US WITH THE CRK RA, SO

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MAJOR SANDS?

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR S*FRS, SIR. >> YUP.

>> OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MR. CHESS?

>> NO, MA'AM. >> STAFF COMMENTS. ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF YOUR STAFF

HAVE ANYTHING? >> NO. >> NO, OKAY.

AND WE HAVE A REPORT ON PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES AS AN ATTACHMENT FOR THE FPRA, IF

[10. BOARD COMMENTS]

THERE -- FOR THE BOARD. MOW WE'RE AT BOARD COMMENTS, ANY BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS?

>> JUST REAL QUICK, THE HOTEL APPROVAL, I KNOW THERE WAS A TIMELINE IN THE AGREEMENT FOR THAT, I'M ASSUMING IT CAME IN BEFORE THE EXPIRATION OF THE TIMELINE?

>> I BELIEVE -- >> IT WAS IN THE LAST REPORT. >> WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT

THE TIMELINES, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE. >> I THINK WE NEED A REFRESHER ON THAT BECAUSE NOW THINGS START TO HAPPEN QUICKLY AND COME JUNE, JULY, THERE'S A LOT OF ACTINVITER TAKING PLACE. I WANT TO SUGGEST THE NEXT FPRA MEETING, WHY DON'T WE DO A RUN DOWN OF WHAT THE TIMELINES ARE ON THAT FOR THE CRITICAL PATH HERE AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S IN PROPER IE ALIGNMENT, I DON'T WANT TO GET O JUNE AND JULY, I WANT TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF

THIS. >> I LAD A MEET WITCHING MR. FREEMAN AND HE'S DEVELOPING

THAT FOR US. >> AND I TALKED TO BILL A WEEK OR SO AGO AND BILL'S -- EVERYTHING'S GREAT, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WELL, I JUST WANT TO HAVE IT CLEARLY IN MY MIND EXACTLY WHAT THE NEXT SET OF PARAMETERS ARE BECAUSE THINGS ARE GOING TO START HAPPENING QUICKLY, SO WE

JUST NEED TO BE ON TOP OF IT. I SEE CHEYENNE IS HERE. >> YES,.

>> MEMBERS OF THE BORE, IN ADDITION TO THAT SPREADSHEET THAT KEN PUT TOGETHER AND PAUL'S ADD TOING YOU ABOUT THE BUILDING PERMITS, MR. WAYNE WILL BE AT THE NEXT FPRA

MEETING. >> THAT'S GREAT. >> GREAT.

>> THAT'S GREAT. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? >> MADAM CHAIR, I JUST AGAIN WANTED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY I VOTED AGAINST THAT TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES.

WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION ON MONDAY, WE'RE HAVING IT HERE TODAY.

MY POSITION IS NOT GOING THE CHANGE GOING FORWARD BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO FIX THINGS AND I HEARD SOME VERY PASSIONATE CONVERSATION FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND MAYOR UP HERE AND MY GOAL WILL BE TO CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE WE GO DOWN THAT PATH OF REPAIRING CHALLENGES

THAT WE'VE COME HERE AND HAVE BEEN FACED WITH. >> ALRIGHT.

ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? MENSING I'M GOING TO COMMENT AND I RESPECT YOUR REASONS FOR MAKING YOUR VOTE THE WAY YOU DID, I WOULD NEVER QUESTION ANYBODY ON THAT, AND THIS BODY

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LOLLY REVISED THIS WHO EL PROCESS BECAUSE THE PRIOR PROCESS WAS A FAILURE, WE HEARD STORIES LIKE THIS CONSISTENTLY. NOW WE'RE SEEING SUCCESSES TAKING PLACE OUT THERE, THESE ARE THE JOB SITES I GO TO, I SPEAK TO THE CONTRACTORS AND THE OWNERS, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THIS BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING THEM LATITUDE FOR THEIR TIMELINE TOS TRY TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. THERE IS A NEW PROGRAM IN PLACE, THIS IS A REMNANT LEFT OVER OF THE NEW PROGRAM AND WE WATCHED THOSE HOLES HERE BUT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION ON THIS HAD BUT IN MY MIND, I KNOW THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT THIS BOARD PUT INTO REVISING THAT, IT WAS MULTIPLE MEETINGS, LENGTHY DISCUSSION AS TO HOW TO FIX IT AND THERE WAS SOME PASSIONATE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AS YOU CAN WELL IMAGINE TO FIX THIS BECAUSE I WAS NOT HAPPY WITH THE PROCESS AS IT WAS AND NOBODY WAS, SO I THINK WHAT WE'VE COME OUT WITH IS A HYBRID OF MULTIPLE DIFFERENT POTENTIAL FIXES FOR THIS, ONE THAT GIVES THIS BOARD TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INPUT AND LEVERAGE BUT IT ALSO GIVES THE APPLICANT THE ABILITY TO PUT IN THEIR TIMELINE, WE'RE TELLING THEM IF YOU DEFAULT ES, -- THESE ARE THE TIMELINES YOU ASKED MORE AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A MUCH MORE

SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM BECAUSE OF THAT. >> MADAM CHAIR, I WANT TO ECHO THAT, I RESPECT EVERYONE LA A VOTE HERE, WE REPRESENT THE PEOPLE, THE DISTRICTS, THE CITY THAT ELECTED US TO BE HERE. I THINK THE DIFFERENCE FOR ME IN THIS CASE SIMPLY WAS BECAUSE WE HAD THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT IN BETWEEN AND, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO HAVE THAT SITUATION PRESENT ITSELF GAVE US FLEXIBILITY TO DO WHAT WE DID AND TO GET THEM UNDER OUR CURRENT TYPE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WHICH IS VERY CLEAR, IT'S DRIVEN BY THE APPLICANT AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS TOO THAT THEY HAVE REAL CLEAR EXPECTATIONS SO WHILE I'M NOT HAPPY TO IT, I STATED THAT EARLIER, THIS IS A LOSE, LOSE, OUR WHOLE GOAL HERE WAS TO TAKE VACANT PROPERTY THAT'S NOT YET BEEN DEVELOPED, PROBABLY NOT REALIZED THE POTENTIAL FOR TAXES AS WE TRY TO BUILD WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO OPERATE AND RUN A CITY, WE DO THAT WHEN STRUCTURES ARE BUILT ON PROPERTY THAT HAS ASSESSED VALUE THAT WILL THEN DERIVE THE THINGS WE NEED TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR OUR CITY, AND SO WE'RE LOSING HERE BUT THIS IS A WAY THAT WE CAN FIND A WIN AND GIVE A CHANCE AND AN OPPORTUNITY AND SO IT'S ON THEM NOW AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT ONCE WE FINALIZE THE ACTUAL CONTRACT.

BUT I RESPECT WHAT YOU'VE STATED AND I AGREE WITH YOU, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE DISAGREE, NOT BE DISAGREEABLE TOWARDS ONE ANOTHER, DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY, IT'S A VOTE AND WE'RE GOING TO WALK OUT OF HERE AND GO ABOUT OUR LIVE AND IS

COME BACK TOMORROW AND DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN. >> YOU RAISED A TAX ISSUE, HAVE

WE ASKED IF THE TAXES HAVE BEEN PAID. >> SO, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO

SAY, SO THANK YOU FOR A GREAT DISCUSSION. >> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN

ISSUE IF IT WEREN'T. >> SHE REPORTED THAT CLEARLY. YES.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? . INGER JUST REAL QUICK, I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE VOTE, WHAT YOUR CONSCIOUS TELL YOURS TO VOTE THA,'S WHY YOU WERE E LEAKED TO VOTE, THAT'S MY COMMENT ON THAT. THIS WEEKEND WE HAVE THE GREAT AMERICAN CLEANUP, I NEED TO SEE EVERYBODY THERE. IF YOUR ORGANIZATION HAS A LITTLE SIGN ON ONE OF OUR STREETS SAYING HELP FORT PIERCE STAY BEAUTIFUL, WE NEED TO SEE YOU COME SIGN IN AND THEN WE FLEXED TO SEE YOU GO TO YOUR STREET AND MAKE SURE YOUR SIGN IS REPRESENTING WHAT IT SAID IT WAS GOING TO DO. SECOND, THE FESTIVAL IS THIS WEEKEND, IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING, COME OUT AND SUPPORT THAT.

I'LL BE -- IT IS AT 9TH AND H AND -- >> 809.

>> LOOK FOR THE PEOPLE, IF YOU TURN ON AVENUE H AND TURN ON 9TH STREET, YOU WILL SEE THE STAGE AND EVERYTHING, SO THAT'S THAT. AND SOMETHING ELSE, PLANT A

TREE, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON THIS WEEKEND. >> THE HOUSE BEHIND LPA.

>> PLANT A TREE OR SOMETHING THIS WEEKEND AND IT LOOKS LIKE I'LL BE RUNNING AROUND SATURDAY, SO IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING, PLEASE COME TRY TO JOIN US AT THE FESTIVAL, AND

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IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT AND YOU CAN'T MAKE THE GREAT AMERICAN CLEANUP, DO ME ONE FAVOR AND GO OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE, LOOK IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, LOOK TO THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE, THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE X THE OTHER SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE, IF YOU SEE ANY TRASH, PICK IT UP AND TELL YOUR NEIGHBOR TO DO THE SAME THING, YOU'LL BE A PART OF THE GREAT AMERICAN CLEANUP.

TLA'S WHAT I HAVE. >> GREAT. SO SHO* WE ADJOURN?

>> YES. >> LET'S

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY BOARD AGENDA FPRA Regular Meeting - Tuesday, March 10, 2026 - 5:05 p.m. City Hall - City Commission Chambers, 100 North U.S. #1, Fort Pierce, Florida

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