Mar 19, 2026 City Commission Special Meeting

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[1. Call to Order]

FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION,

UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> PRESENT.

>> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY. >> PRESENT. >> VICE CHAIR BELL.

>> PRESENT. >> FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

>> THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I WILL ALERT YOU THERE IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE PROCEEDINGS, THIS SAY PUBLIC HEARING. YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THEN. SO, I'M NOT DISCOURAGING ANYBODY TO SPEAK I'M JUST SAYING YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION NOW. PLEASE COME FORWARD YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN A WARNING. ALL RIGHTY WE WILL MOVE ON.

[A. Impasse Hearing - City of Fort Pierce and Teamsters Local Union #769 (General Employee Unit) ]

>> OKAY NEXT WE HAVE IMPASSE HEARING THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TEAMSTERS LOCAL UNION NUMBER 769

GENERAL EMPLOYEE UNIT. >> SO CITY ATTORNEY, WILL YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE PROCEDURES FOR THE HEARING BEFORE IS PLEASE LISTEN. CAREFULLY. YES, MA'AM. THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH. ME.

BARGAINING UNIT CONSISTING OF MANY OF THE CIVILIAN PERSONNEL EMPLOYED BY THE CITY, THE TEAMSTERS AND THE CITY HAVE ENGAGED IN COLLECTIVE BARGAINING TO NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF ARTICLE 22 . WAGES OF THE CURRENT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, PURSUANT TO A PROVISION OF CLANG AT SPECIFIC ARTICLE TO. BE OPENED DURING THE THE FISCAL YEAR HOWEVER THE PARTIES HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO AGREE AN AGREEMENT AND THEDECLARED IMPASSE. FLORIDA STATUTE REQUIRES THAT THE CITY COMMISSION, AS THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, RESOLVE THE IMPASSE. BOTH THE TEAMSTERS IN THE CITY HAVE AGREED TO THE PROCEDURES THAT WILL BE UTILIZED FOR TODAY'S HEARING AND THESE PROCEDURES ON COMPLI.

COMPLIANCE OF 447.443 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES STHAEUFPLT PUBLIC HEARING CONDUCTED PURSUANT TO TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 440 7.403. SUBSECTION 4C FOR FLORIDA STATUTES.

FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO RESOLVE ONE ISSUE AT IMPASSE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE TEAMSTERS THE TOTAL OF 30 MINUTES FOR THE PRESENTATION AND TEAMSTERS GOING FIRST AND BEING ALLOWED TO RESERVE ANY REMAINING TIME FOR THE REBUTTAL.FLORIDA STATUTES IN ORDER FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO RESOLVE ONE ISSUE AT IMPASSE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE TEAMSTERS A TOTAL OF 30 MINUTES FOR THEIR PRESENTATION, THE TEAMSTERS GOING FIRST AND BEING ALLOWED TO RESERVE ANY REMAINING TIME FOR A REBUTTAL, THE CITY COMMISSION MEMBERS WILL BE AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE CITY AND THE TEAMSTERS DURING EACH OF THEIR PRESENTATION.

FOLLOWING THE CLOSE OF PRESENTATIONS THERE WILL BE A PERIOD OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

THE USUAL RULES FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN TERMS OF TIME LIMITS FOR SPEAKERS WILL BE FOLLOWED EACH SIDE WILL THEN BE AFFORDED THREE MINUTES FOR FINAL COMMENTS WITH TEAMSTERS GOING FIRST AND ALLOW ADDITIONAL ONE MINUTE FOR THE RESPONSE OF THE CITY'S FINAL COMMENTS.THE CITY COMMISSION WILL THEN DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC, AND THIS IS DECISION ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. FOLLOWING DELIBERATIONS, THE CITY COMMISSION WILL VOTE TO RESOLVE THE IMPASSE. ISSUE AS IT DEEMS TO BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST INCLUDING THE INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES INVOLVED. BY WAY OF BACKGROUND SINCE JUNE 25, 2025, THE TEAMSTERS AND CITY ENGAGED IN NEGOTIATIONS IN ARTICLE 22 WAGES CITY OF FORT PIERCE CONTRACT WITH THE TEAMSTERS LOCAL UNION NUMBER 769. LONG TERM OPEN FOR NEGOTIATIONS WAS THAT TERM.

THE CITY AND THE TEAMSTERS WERE UNABLE TO REACH AN AGREEMENT THROUGH NEGOTIATION AND IMPACTS WAS DECLARED WHICH INVOKED THE PROCEDURES FOR RESOLVING IMPACTS THAT FOURTH IN SECTION 440 7.40 340 STATUTE. THE TEAMS AGREED TO WAIVE IN WRITING MEDIATION AND SPECIAL MAGISTRATE BY THE FLORIDA PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RELATIONS COMMITTEE TO CONDUCT A HEARING AND MEMBER RECOMMENDATION TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE OF IMPACT.

AND ELECTED TO PROCEED DIRECTLY TO A DECISION BY THE CITY COMMISSION AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY

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ANY OF THE. POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE IN THE CHAMBER. >> THANK YOU MA'AM. THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE NOW CALLED TO ORDER. WILL THE CITY CLERK CONFIRM COMPLIANCE WITH THE

NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. >> YES MA'AM THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET.

>> AT THIS TIME, ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION SHOULD BE DISCLOSED BY ANYCITY COMMISSION AS WELL AS ANY SITUATIONS OR SITE VISITS THAT HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED OR ANY EXPERT OPINIONS

RECEIVED MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE. >> VICE CHAIR BELL.

>> NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. >> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY. >> I CREATED A CONVERSATION COMPARISON IN PERCENTAGES VERSUS FLAT HOURLY INCREASES DOCUMENT AND HAVE GIVEN IT TO THE

ATTORNEY. >> FOR CLARITY COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY YOU MEAN ME THE

ATTORNEY NOT ANY OTHER ATTORNEY. >> YES. I'M SORRY. >> YOU ARE GOOD.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> NO MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> NO MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> NO MA'AM. >> OKAY. WE WILL NOW PROCEED TO OPEN THE HEARING ON THIS MATTER

WILL THE CITY CLERK PLEASE SWEAR IN ANY WITNESSES? >> OKAY ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT PLANS TO SPEAK EVEN DURING GENERAL COMMENT. GIVE IN THE CAUSE NOW PENDING BEFORE THIS COURT SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOUTRUTH.

>> YES. >> OKAY. YOU THE TEAMSTERS WILL NOW MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION ON THIS MATTER THE TEAMSTERS HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 30 MINUTES EXCLUDING QUESTIONS FROM THE CITY COMMISSION. THE TEAMSTER S MAY RESERVE ANY TIME REMAINING, FOLLOWING THEIR PRESENTATION FOR REBUTTAL, THE CITY CLERK WILL KEEP TRACK OF THE TIME AND WILL PROVIDE A FIVE MINUTE WARNING.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. SO FOR THE RECORD, SERVE. MADAME YES FOR CLAR.

>> FOR CLARIFICATION DO WE WANT TO WAIT FOR QUESTIONS AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION?

>> YES. TO THE END PLEASE. >> MAKE THE TIMING EASIER THAN STARTING AND STOPPING.

>> THAT IS FINE. KEEP TRACK OF YOUR QUESTIONS YES, SIR? PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING MAYOR, MY NAME IS STAOE MEYERS I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF TEAMSTERS LOCAL UNION NUMBER 769. WE ARE REPRESENTING THE GENERALEMPLOYEES HERE TODAY. THERE'S OTHER BAR UNITS THAT ARE IN THE POLICE UNIONS BUT WE'RE REPRESENTING THE GENERAL EMPLO WHERE ARE YOU NEED TO SPEAK INTO

THE MIC SIR. >> YES MA'AM. NORMALLY I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

>> YOU HAVE TO PRACTICALLY SWALLOW THE MIC. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

>> NO PROBLEM. FOR BACKGROUND, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS I HAVE REPRESENTED, PERSONALLY, THE CITY EMPLOYEES IN THIS 24 YEARS SO SINCE 2002. AND THE TEACHERS LOCAL UNION NUMBER SEVEN AND SIX NINE HAS REPRESENTED THIS BARGAINING IN IT FOR OVER 50 YEARS NOW. BACK WHEN I WAS IN KINDERGARTEN SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN SINCE MIDDLE SCHOOL OR HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE. SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME THAT WE'VE REPRESENTED THIS BARGAINING UNIT, AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY THIS MORNING TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT OUR POSITION REGARDING THE WAGE AND PASS, AND ITS CORE, THIS CASE IS ABOUT FAIR NETT NESS, STNESS, STABILID FAIR NETT NESS, STNE THEAND THE REAL. ECONOMIC CONDITION. CONDITIONS THAT ARE FACING THE EMPLOYEES WHO KEEP THIS CITY RUNNING EVERY SINGLE DAY. VERY CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS NOT A CASE WHERE THE PARTIES WILL FALL APAT, AT LEAST NOW, BOTH THE UNION AND THE CITY AGREE ON THE 5% WAGE INCREASE. THAT'S NOT IN DISPUTE THOSE PARTIES AGREE ON THE 5% WAGE

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THESE ARE NOT HIGH WAGE EARNERS AS YOU ARE AWARE. THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE MAINTAINING OUR ROADS, COLLECTING YOUR GARBAGE, SUPPORTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, MAINTAIN THE PARKS FIXING THE ROADS AND ENSURE THE CITY FUNCTIONS DAY IN AND DAY OUT. MANY OF THEM ARE IN BETWEEN

16 AND $20 AN HOUR. >> GETTING ANOTHER MICROPHONE. >> HOW IS THAT?

>> THE AVERAGE HOURLY RATE IS APPROXIMATELY $24 AN HOUR IN THE BARGAINING UNIT BECAUSE THE REAL ISSUE LIES IN $24 AN HOUR OBVIOUSLY, CAN BE A LITTLE MISLEADING WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH AVERAGES THE REAL ISSUE DEALS WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BELOW THE $24 AN HOUR. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REALITY THESE EMPLOYEES ARE LIVING IN. FORT PIERCE IS NO LONGER AN INEXPENSIVE PLACE TO LIVE. YOU GUYS KNOW THAT. YOU LIVE HERE. FORT PIERCE IS NO LONGER PROVIDING HOUSING THAT'S AFFORDABLE. YOU GUYS KNOW THAT. YOU TRY TO FIX IT EVERY DAY.

RENT FOR DEPARTMENTS CAN RANGE FROM $1,500 TO OVER $2,000 A MONTH ON THE LOW END. SO BASIC EXPENSES, GROCERIES, GAS, INSURANCE, THEY'RE ALL INCREASING. SO, RUNNING, 1516, $17, $18, AN HOUR, THEY HAVE CLOSED EARNINGS OF ABOUT 2700 TO THREE TAXES FOR DEDUCTIONS FOR INSURANCE ENG 3E7BGS AND OTHER DEDUCTIONS REQUIRED BY LAW. ONCE YOU TAKE THE DEDUCTIONS AWAY MOST OF THE SAME EMPLOYEES ACTUALLY HAVE METAND OTHER DEDUCTIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY LAW. AFTER YOU TAKE THE DEDUCTIONS AWAY, MOST OF THESE SAME EMPLOYEES.

ACTUALLY HAVE MADE EARNINGS OF ABOUT 2000 SOME LESS. NOW CONSIDER THIS, IF JUST RENT ALONE IS $1,500 A MONTH YOU MONTH. IN SOME CASES.

THAT IS 2/3 OF NET INCOME GOING JUST TO RENT THAT IS BEFORE THEY THEIR HOUSING THAT IS BEFORE THEY PAY UTILITIES THAT IS BEFORE PAYING FOR TRANSPORTATION INCLUDING FUEL THAT IS BEFORE BUYING FOOD TO PUT ON THE TABLE AND BEFORE CHILD CARE GOD FORBID IF THEY HAVE CHILD CARE NOW YOU KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS NOWADAYS.AND, GOD FORBID IF THEY HAVE CHILDCARE EXPENSIVE, THAT IS NOWADAYS. SO TWO THIRDS OF THEIR NET INCOME IS JUST FOR THEIR HOUSING. THAT'S THE REALITY, AND THAT'S WHY FOR US, THE 40 CENTS MATTERS OUR BARGAINING COMMITTEE. BARGAINING COMMITTEE, MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR BARGAIN.

OMMITTEE THE 5% IS MORE THAN THE DOLLAR 60 WE'RE ASKING FOR. IT'S NOT THE BARGAINING COMMITTEE TRYING TO FIGHT FOR HIGHER INCREASES FOR THEMSELVES THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR THE EMPLOYEES AT THE LOW END OF THE PAY SCALE. THEY ARE COWORKERS THE ONES THEY THOUGH CAN'T AFFORD TO MEET THEIR EVERY DAY BILLS. NOW, I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FAIR THPBS IS VERY CRITICAL BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT A 5% INCREASE IT SOUNDS EQUAL. EVERYBODY IS GETTING 5% BUT IT'S NOT REALLY AN EQUAL IMPACT I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. IF A MANAGEMENT EMPLOY OTHER IS EARNING $150,000 A WE'RE AND RECEIVE 5% INCREASE THAT IS $7,500 RAISE. IF AN EMPLOYEE IS

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SO YOU CAN SEE THE OUTCOME IS DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT. HERE' THE KEY POINT EMPLOYEES MOST OF LIVE IN THE SAME COMMUNITY THAT OUR BARGAINING MEMBERS LIVED IN. THEY FACE THE SAME HOUSING UNIT THAT OUR BARGAINING EMPLOYEES LIVE IN. THEY FACE THE SAME GROCERY PRICES THAT OUR BARGAINING EMPLOYEES LIVE IN. THEY FACE THE SAME GAS PRICES THEY FACE THE SAME ECONOMIC CONDITIONS THAT ALL OF OUR MEMBERS LIVE IN. BUT THESE EMPLOYEES AT THE HIGHER END HAVE THE ABILITY TO ABSORB THE COST IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY. THEY HAVE DISPOSABLE INCOME. ONCE YOU GET ABOVE A CERTAIN LEVEL, SOME OF YOU KNOW THIS, YOU HAVE EXTRA DISPOSABLE INCOME YOU CAN DO THINGS. WHEN YOU ARE JUST MAKING ENOUGH MONEY TO MEET YOUR EVERY DAY NEEDS, BARELY, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DISPOSABLE INCOME. THEY DON'T HAVE THE FLEXIBILITIES THESE HIGHER WAGE INCOME EARNERS HAVE. FOR MANY OF OUR MEMBERS THERE IS NO MARGIN, THERE IS IN CUSHION BETWEEN THEIR EVERY DAY EXPENSES. EVERY INCREASE IN THEIR RENT EVERY INCREASE IN THEIR GROCERIES, EVERY GOD KNOWS INCREASE IN GAS NOWADAYS, THAT ARE UNEXPECTED HAVE AN IMPACT AND GREATER IMPACT ON THE EMPLOYEES ON THE LOWER END OF THE PAY RANGE. SO, WE TALK ABOUT FAIRNESS WE HAVE TO LOOK BEYOND PERCENTAGES. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE REAL IMPACT ON THE EMPLOYEES NOT JUST AT THE UPPER END OF THE PAY SCALE BUT ALSO AT THE LOWER END OF THE PAY SCALE.

THIS IS EXACTLY C THE UNION IS PROPOSING HIGHER MINIMUM INCOME OF A DOLLAR 60 AN HOUR. BECAUSE THE PERCENTAGES ALONE DO NOT ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE LOW WAGE COMPRESSION. THEY DO NOT MEANINGFULLY IMPROVE THE FINANCIAL SITUATION OF THE LOWEST PAID WORKERS THE UNION'S PROPOSAL IS ENDESIGNED TO ENSURE THAT THE LOWEST EMPLOYEES THOSE AT 16, 17, $18 AN HOUR RECEIVE AN INCREASE. NOT JUST ON PAPER BUT IN THEIR ACTUALLY EVERY DAY LIVES THERE ARE PRACTICAL CONSEQUENCES FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER FOR THIS COMMISSION TO CONSIDER. THE CITY'S COMPETING MARKET IF THE WAGES ARE NOT COMPETITIVE THE EMPLOYEES WILL LEAVE. WE KNOW THE WAGES THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AREN'T AS COMPETITIVE IN THE CITIES AROUND HERE. IF WAGES ARE NOT COMPETITIVE EMPLOYEES LEAVE. WHEN EMPLOYEES LEAVE THE CITY WILL ACCRUE SINGLE RECRUITMENT COST, TRAINING COST, OVERCOME COST, REDUCE SERVICES TO THE CITIZENS. OBVIOUSLY TURNOVER IS EXPENSIVE. INSTABILITY IS VERY EXPENSIVE. SO INVESTING IN YOUR WORKFORCE IS NOT JUST FAIR IT'S PHYSICAL CAL RESPONSIBILITY. LET'S BE CLEAR. UNION PROPOSAL IS NOT EX-SAYSIVE WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A DRAMATIC INCREASE. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR DOUBLE DILIGENT RAISES WE ARE TAKING FOR THE DIFFERENCE. $0.40. $0.40 FOR MOST EMPLOYEES THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FALLING FURTHER BEHIND OR BEGINNING TO CATCH UP. UNDER THE STATUTORY FACTORS YOU ARE REQUIRED TO CONSIDER, TODAY. OUR PROPOSAL REFLECTS THE COST OF LIVING WE BELIEVE IN THIS COMMUNITY. IT SUPPORTS THE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION. IT PROMOTES FAIRENS AND EQUITY WITHIN THE BARGAINING

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EMPLOYEES EARNING 167 TEEN $18 AN HOUR. WHO ARE DOING THE ESSENTIAL WORK FOR THE CITY THE DIFFERENCE AGAIN THE PROPOSALS IS SMALL IN DOLLARS BUT IT ADDS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE EMPLOYEES. THE UNION PROPOSAL RECOGNIZES THAT REALITY. FOR THAT REASON WE BELIEVE IT'S FAIR AND APPROPRIATE OUTCOME. BEFORE I CAME UP HERE TODAY I HAD ONE OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES THAT WANTED TO SHARE HIS PAYCHECK WITH ME. HE GAVE ME A COPY OF IT. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU NOT THE EMPLOYEES NAME BUT THIS IS AN EMPLOYEE THAT MAKES $22 AN HOUR. BUT THE NET INCOME ON EACH PAYCHECK EVERY TWO WEEKS IS $943. SO, IT'S EVEN MORE THAN SME OF THE NUMBERS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. SO, THIS IS THE REAL IMPACT. THE EXTRA $0.40 IN THE UNION'S PROPOSAL WILL HAVE A GREATER IMPACT ON EMPLOYEES AT THE LOWER END OF THE PAY RANGE WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. THAT WILL CONCLUDE THE OPENING STATEMENT FROM THE

UNION. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TODAY. >> THANK YOU SIR. QUESTIONS?

COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YOU INDICATED A BYFURCATION BETWEEN THE FOLKS IN THE HIGHER PAY SCALE PAY RANGE ISWHERE THE 5% IS AN EQUITABLE SOLUTION. GOES OVER THE DOLLAR 20.

SO HOW MANY OF YOUR HOW MANY OF THE FOLKS THAT YOU REPRESENT FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY THAT.

WOULD BE IMNET EFFECTED BY THE 40 CERTIFICATE INCREASE AT THE BASE LEVEL.

>> MORE THAN HALF. >> CAN YOU GIVE ME A FIGURE? >> I WILL IN A FEW MINUTES IF YOU GIVE ME A FEW MINUTES. I WILL FLIP THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS THE CITY PROVIDED TO ME.

>> MY CALCULATIONS I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE LISTENING TO YOUR PRESENTATION. $0.40 INCREASE

GROSS IS 832 GROSS PAY INCREASED ANALYZED. >> THAT IS CORRECT. I CAME UP

WITH THE SAME CALCULATION SIR. >> I HAVE TO FIND OUT HOW MANY EMPLOYEES SO I HAVE AN IDEA OF

THE DOLLARS AND CENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> ABOUT HALF THE EMPLOYEES MAKE

MORE THAN $24 AND HOUR. >> HOW MANY DO YOU REPRESENT? >> 70.

>> SO WE OKAY SO WE HAVE 70 EMPLOYEES A FEW SORRY, YES. IT DOESN'T HAVE NUMBERS ON IT BUT LOOKING AT THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT REGULAR TAX. SO WE GOT APPROXIMATELY 70 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE AFFECTED BY 40 CENT INCREASES AT A FAIR. ASSESSMENT?

>> YES, SIR? >> NOT FOR ME RIGHT NOW. >> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY?

>> MADAME MAYOR THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE PROCEEDING AND ALSO QUASI JUDICIAL AT WHAT POINT SHOULD WE

PRESENT OUR QUASI JUDICIAL PRESENTATIONS OR INFORMATION? >> MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THEPROVIDED THIS MORNING TO ME AND MY BACKGROUND,.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT MY BACKGROUND. YOU COULD DO THAT NOW, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY. >> FOR TRANSPARENCY, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH UNION SINCE 1979 AMERICAN FLINT GLASS WORK REVIEW. AND SINCE THEN I SPENT 25 YEARS AS A FOR THE ASSOCIATION OF FLIGHT ATTENDANT CWA. AND I HAVE BEEN SUPPORTED BY THE PALM BEACH TREASURE COAST AFL, CIO AND THEIR MEMBERS, SINCE 2,006. SO, I WANT TO GIVE THAT ON THE RECORD FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY. I NEGOTIATED WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE BEFORE YOU

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MAKE SURE THAT IS ON THE RECORD. >> MADAME MAYOR? COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY ARE YOU ASKING FOR YOUR COMPENSATION COMPARISON VERSUS FLAT HOURLY INCREASED WOULD YOU LIKE THAT PASSED OUT

TO EVERYBODY. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR COMMISSIONERS TO SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. BECAUSE TRYING TO KEEP IT IN YOUR HEAD IS NOT --AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER, THE PRESENTERS SHOULD HAVE IT AS WELL. I UNDERSTAND THESE PROCEDURES, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS FIRST A LONG, LONG TIME. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER GONE THROUGH.

THIS ONE. >> THIS IS THE FIRST ONE FOR THE CITY YOU ARE NOT ALONE. IF YOU ARE INTENDING TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT RELATE TO WHAT YOU PUT TOGETHER I THINK WOULD BE AN

APPROPRIATE TIME SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> I WILL REFER TO IT. I WILL

ASK IF THE PRESENTER HAD GOTTEN A SALARY STUDY FROM THE CITY. >> YES, SIR? I WILL ASK OFFICER ZAMORA IF HE CAN GIVE COPIES TO EACH OF THE PARTIES AT THE TABLE AND THE REST OF THE CLERK SHE

CAN PASS THAT AROUND THE DIAS. OFFICER [INAUDIBLE]. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK ON THESE NOW. >> YES WAITING TO GET YOUR.

>> IT'S FINE. >> ALL RIGHTY SO AS COMMISSION FERS AND SPEAKER ARE GETTING THESE DOCUMENTS I HAVE BEEN IN THIS NEGOTIATION PROCESS IN THE PAST TO WHICH I BRING THIS TO THE TABLE IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT 5% ACROSS THE BOARD IS NOT EXACTLY EQUAL AND IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENT, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION TO GO FROM SO I HAD TO JUST PIT IDEAS TOGETHER., AND 5% OF A $60,000, A YEAR SALARY WOULD INCREASE THAT SALARY BY $3,000 I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY IS ON THIS LIST. IS MAKING THAT KIND OF MONEY IF YOU LOOK AT THE IDEA THAT YOU INDICATED $16 $24 IS THE RANGE I WAS USING $20 AS A FIGURE TO GO FROM IT'S INKED MIDDLE. I DON'T HAVE HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE ON WHICHEVER END OF THIS. I DID SOME CALCULATIONS AND THE 5% INCREASE AT $20 AN HOUR WILL BE ANNUAL INCREASE OF $2,080 WHICH IS ABOUT $64 A WEEK, A MONTH. IF YOU GO TO A DOLLAR 45 THE INCREASE WOULD BE $3,016. THE INCREASE WOULD BE 3.50 AN HOUR INCREASE WHICH WOULD BE 3 3120 ANNUALLY. THESE ARE ANNUAL NUMBERS. AND THEN $1.60 WOULD BE 3328, WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT WITH A $60,000 SALARY AT 3328 IF YOU GET TO THE DOLLAR 3328 BUT IF YOU GET INTO THE $40.45 AREA, WHICH IS 25 CENTS MORE THAN WHAT THE CITY, UATES TO ABOUT $3,016 SO IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT A SECOND $1,000 SALARY AND AND $1.45 YOU GET INTO THE REAL COMPARISON OF 5% MR. MEYERS DID YOU HAVE OR GET A SALARY STUDY FROM THE CITY? HAS ONE BEEN DONE? IS THERE ANY COMPARISON OF LOCAL

MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE AREA? >> MR. MYIER? >> THANKS FOR THE QUESTION

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HAD DID A SMALL COMPARISON THEY HAD DONE THE LAST FISCAL YEAR. >> I WAIT FOR THE CITY FOR THEIR

ANSWER ON THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. >> DID YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION

ABOUT COMPARISONS? >> HAVE TO ASK THE CITY. >> OKAY ECONOMIES NER JOHNSON

YOU WANT TO SPEAK? >> JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND SOMETHING IT'S KIND OF GOING DOWN THE PATH WITH COMMISSIONER BRODERICK SO WE'RE CLEAR, BRODERICK YOU WERE DOING MATH AND CALCULATIONS YOU CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS WHAT YOU CALCULATE PER PERSON BASED ONON THREE HOURS A WEEK. AND FOR ALL SEVEN EMPLOYEES PURCHASE FOR $58,000.

SO, MR. MI MEYERS WOULD YOU AGR THATTHE TOTAL ENOUGH DOLLAR FIGURE AMOUNT IS THAT THIS FUNNY

SET EXTRA 47. CENT WOULD CALCULATE. >> FOR 70 EMPLOYEES IT'S NOT AN

EXACT NUMBER BUT. >> IT'S NOT EXACT BUT YES THAT WOULD BE.

>> I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HERE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE YOU REPRESENT THIS IS A QUASI I NEED TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY THE INFORMATION OF THE PEOPLE YOU REPRESENT WE GET A SENSE OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THESE ARE REAL DOLLARS JUST ASKING. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO -- JUST APPROXIMATELY I'M FINE WITH THAT. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE LEVEL OF THIS BECAUSE I DO RECALL I HAVE SAT HERE LONG ENOUGH WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED INTO SOME OF THIS INFORMATION AND ALL OF THE SALARIES OF PUBLIC WORK WE REALIZE THERE WERE EMPLOYEES BELOW THE MINIMUM WAGE AND WE TOOK STEPS TO GET THEM UP TO A LEVEL BASED ON THE STANDARDS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND EXCEED THAT. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE LEVEL WE'RE NOT TO THAT SO I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.

>> MR. MEYERS. >> THAT IS CORRECT SIR. THAT IS THE PROXIMATE NUMBERS.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE DONE? >> I AM DONE FOR NOW.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHTY. SO, RIGHT NOW WE'RE READY FOR THE CITY TO MAKE IT'S PRESENTATION. YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 30 MINUTES EXCLUDING ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE CITY COMMISSION. THE CITY CLERK WILL KEEP TRACK OF THE TIME AND WILL PROVIDE A FIVE MINUTE WARNING. I'M ASSUMING WE WILL ASK QUESTIONS AT THE END AGAIN IF

THAT'S ALL RIGHT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >>GOOD MORNING, MAYOR. MY NAME IS JK KELLER. I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF ALLEN NORTHERN BLUE, AND IT'S MY PLEASURE TO REPRESENT THE CITY AND THAT'S LABOR AND EMPLOYMENT MATTERS. OKAY. DOES HE HAVE A COPY OF

THIS AS WELL. MR. MYERS. >> I CAN GET A COPY. >> WHILE WE'RE GETTING SITUATED I WILL GET STARTED THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS WE DO AGREE WITH THE UNION ON HERE. WE DO AGREE THIS IS ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY. WE DO AGREE IT'S ABOUT FAIRNESS AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO PAY THE UNION WHAT THEY'RE STKING FOR IT REALLY WAS A MATTER OF WHAT IS WITHIN THE BUDGET OUR OFFER IS WITHIN THE BUDGET. AS YOU KNOW THIS IS ABOUT EMPLOYEE WAGES THERE ARE NO OTHER MATTERS FOR THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE THIS MORNING. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND THOUGH THAT WE'RE ABOUT HALF WAY THROUGH THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR AS YOU KNOW. THE CONTRACT WITH THE TEAMSTERS EX-PYRES THIS YEAR THAT MEANS THAT PROBABLY BY MAY THE CITY WILL BE BACK IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM. WHATEVER IS DECIDED WITH THEM IS GOING TO ■SET THE FLOOR FOR THOSE UPCOMING NEGOTIATIONS AND CERTAINLY WAGES WILL BE BACK ON THE TABLE IN THE UPCOMING NEGOTIATIONS THAT START IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS I CAN TELL YOU IN MY EXPERIENCE AS A LABOR EMPLOYMENT LAWYER AND NEGLECTING WITH THE UNIONS ACROSS THE ENTIRE STATERE. AT ALL LIKELIHOOD, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER WAGE INCREASE, REQUESTED, UNDERSTANDABLY, I MAKE THAT POINT JUST TO THE COMMISSION THAT IS GOING FORWARD WITH AVERAGE DONE TODAY IS GOING TO SET THAT FLOOR.

IN TERMS OF THE HISTORY OF BARGAINING WE PREPARED ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU GUYS I WILL BRIEFLY WALK THROUGH IT. THE CITY'S FIRST OFFER WAS A FLAT 5% INCREASE FOR ALL OF THE MEMBERS IN THE UNIT THAT IS WHAT WAS BUDGETED FOR. THE TOTAL COST OF THAT WITH BENEFITS IS $456,000

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BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND I'M GOING TO BRING UP THE FINANCE DIRECTOR IN JUST A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN TO YOU ALL, EXACTLY WHAT THE IMPLICATION ON THE CHUC THE JUDGE IS. RESPECTFULLY, THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT 40 CENTS AN HOUR, BECAUSE 40 CENTS AN HOUR ACTUALLY TURNS INTO SIX FIGURES, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION DECIDES TO AWARD THE EVENING. TODAY, JOHN AND MORRIS WOULD COME UP.

>> COMMISSIONER. >> I'M SOMEWHAT CONFUSED ON SOMETHING HERE I'M TRYING TO TAKE NOTES SO I CAN COME BACK AND REPLY TO THIS LATER BUT CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH -- I UNDERSTAND THE DOLLAR 60 NUMBER. I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOLLAR 60 AND DOLLAR 20 YOU ARE SAYING THE DOLLAR 20 THRESHOLD BRINGS UP THE EMPLOYEES ON THE LOWER END OF THE PAY SCALE UP TO 20 WITH FIVE PERCENT INCREASE BECAUSE THEIR PAY DOES NOT REFLECT THE DOLLAR

20. >> YES, SIR? >> ANY IDEA HOW MANY EMPLOYEES

THAT EFFECTS. >> I BELIEVE I HAD M MR. SORWINSON. WITH THAT ANSWER.

HE DID THE MATH WHILE WE WERE SITTING HERE. >> MR. SWARINSO.

>> YOU WERE SWORN IN? >> YES.COMMISSIONER, PROJECT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHAT WE HAVE IS A PRESENT A SPREADSHEET. DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DOLLAR 20 AND THOSE GETTING TO 5%, AND WE'RE GOING TO FALL BELOW THAT, THAT PRESSURE IS 7979 YES, SIR. ON THE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION EARLIER ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DOLLAR 60. THAT IS 124.

>> I HAVE TO RECALCULATE MY MATH THEN. 124 TIMES 40 HOURS TIMES 52 THAT GIVES US THE GROSS OF

THE PAYROLL EFFECT. >> THE DOLLARS BELOW 160 YOU GOTYOU'RE 124 TIMES 40 TIMES 40 HOURS TIMES 52 THAT GIVES US THE GROSS AGGREGATE OF THE PAYROLL EFFECT, 5% PEOPLE. GIVE OR.

TAKE, OF THE 139. THOSE BROUGHT UP TO A MINIMUM OF $1.60 IS 124. THOSE BROUGHT UP TO A MINIMUM OF

DOLLAR 20 IS 79. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. >> ONE MORE TIME PLEASE?

>> I WILL TAKE EACH PROPOSAL SEPARATELY. OUR PROPOSAL WE HAVE 5% ON MINIMUM OF DOLLAR 20 THOSE WE TAKE THE 5% IN TIMES OF SALARY THAT TKPWOEPBT DO ABOVE $1.20 IS 79 PEOPLE.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> ON THE UNIONS PROPOSAL IF WE APPLY THE SAME PHROPBLGIC IT'S

124 EMPLOYEES. >> WITH THE 160 NUMBER. >> THAT ARE BELOW THE DOLLAR 60.

>> ALL RIGHT. GOT IT. >> WE GOOD. >> YES. FOR NOW.

>> BACK TO YOUR POINT ON THE DOLLAR 20 NUMBER OR FIVE PERCENT WHATEVER IS GREATER IS NET

EFFECT ON OUR BUDGET IS $34,000. >> APPROXIMATELY YES, SIR? >> DOESN'T INCLUDE BENEFITS?

>> IT DOES INCLUDE BENEFITS. >> I GOT TO DO A LITTLE WORK I WILL GET BACK TO YOU.

>> THE NEXT SLIDE MIGHT DO THE WORK FOR YOU. >> GREAT.

>> THE COST IS THE UNION'S PROPOSAL. IT'S IT'S APPROXIMATELY.

$6,000. SO WITH THAT SAID IF IT WAS MORRIS WOULD PLEASE COME UP. >> MRS. MORRIS YOU WERE SWORN

IN? >> YES. >> THANK YOU.

>> MRS. MORRIS, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN HERE?

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>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN WITH THE THREE PROPOSALS, WHAT THE TOTAL COST IS IN COMPARISON TO WHITNEY VALLEY BUDGETED AND ALLOCATED. THE 5%.

GOING THROUGH OUR LENGTHY PROCESS, WE WERE GO ING THROUGH A LENGTHY BUDGET, SAYS YOU AGREE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TO BUDGET FOR SO WE BUDGETED THE 5% ACROSS THE BOARD, WHICH IS THE $456,000. WITH THAT PERCENT, OR THE DOLLAR. 20 IS AN ADDITIONAL. THINKER 34 TH$34,015 ACROSS TH DOLLAR 20 FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE THIS THE UNION.SO THAT'S THE ADDITIONAL COST AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO RECRUIT FAITH HOPING TO NEGOTIATE. HOWEVER, $1, 5%, OR $1.60, IS IN ADDITION TO CONFIDENCE, SEVEN SO THT'S AN ADDITIONAL WIN 51229 THAT IS INCLUDING ATTRIBUTED TO

THE WAGE THAT IS THE COST. >> THAT IS HELPFUL. MRS. MORRIS IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO RESOLVE THIS IN PASSING FAVOR THE UNION'S PROPOSAL, AND THERE WERE THIS ADDITIONAL $150,000

AND CHANGE INCREASE THE BUDGET, WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY COME FROM >> IT WOULD COME FROM THE FUND

BALANCE RESERVES. >> REQUIRED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BUDGET YEAR TO RESERVE 10%.

>> RIGHT. RIGHT. WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL FUND BALANCE BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF ALLOCATIONS AGAINST THOSE AS WELL, TOO.AND WE HAVE A LOT OF UNFORESEEN THAT HAVE.

COME UP. LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE GOT TO REPAIR THE PARKING GARAGE THAT, THAT'S OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, AND THEN WE HAVE AN FEC BUO THAT WE RECEIVE THAT.

48000 SO WE HAVE A LOT OF UNFORESEEN THAT WE HAVE FOR THAT MATERIAL. SO WE'VE GOT A RESERVE FUNDS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AS WELL, AND I. WANT FOLLOW UP JUST SO I GET THIS

CLEAR. >> SO I GET THIS CLEAR IN MY HEAD. THIS IS A LOT OF

INFORMATION. >> IF WE COULD PAUSE THE TIMER. >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> RESPECTFULLY WE AGREED WE WOULD WAIT UNTIL THE END FOR ALL QUESTIONS I DON'T THINK HE'S

DONE. ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION. >> I'M NOT BUT I'M FINEI DON'T THINK HE'S DONE. ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE IS IT'S MAKING VERY IT'S MAKING IT VERY HARD FOR MADAM CLERK TO KEEP TIME OVER HERE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CONSISTENT. ALREADY I.

>> I WILL WAIT. >> I ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES TO LET MRS. MORRIS GO I'M FINE WITH

LOSING SOME OF MY TIME. >> WE WILL GET THROUGH IT COMMISSIONER BRODERICK WE WILL

GET THROUGH IT. >> ANYTHING ELSE YOU THINK THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO KNOW

MRS. MORRIS. >> NO. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> IN CLOSING I WILL SAY FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE THIS IS NOT ABOUT US GOT WANTING TO PROVIDE FOR THE MONEY IT'S NOT US SAYING THEY DON'T DESERVE MORE MONEY IT'S SIMPLY SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE HAD TO WORK WITHIN THE BUDGET. IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE MAY NOT BE MORE MONEY AVAILABLE NEXT YEAR AS I JUST TOLD YOU THERE'S SOME UPCOMING NEGOTIATIONS WHERE WAGES ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO BE. DISCUSSED AT THIS POINT IN IT'S IN THE COMMISSION'S CONTROL YOU CAN DO A NUMBER OF THING THE CITY CAN ACCEPT THE CITY'S PROPOSAL, THE COMMISSION CAN ACCEPT THE UNION'S PROPOSAL. THE COMMISSION CANCAN FASHION, ITS OWN RESOLUTION OF THIS THE COMMISSION ALSO HAS TO DECIDE WHETHER THESE WILL BE PAID, BUT YOU'RE ACTIVELY MEANING BACK TO OCTOBER, WATER AND THE FISCAL YEAR BEGAN OR. BE IMPLEMENTED IMMEDIATELY OR PROSPECTIVELY. I WILL TELL YOU THE CITY'S OFFER TWO WEEKS AGO INCREASE WAS 5% OR 1 DOLLAR 20WHICH EVERYONE'S GREATER AND THE CITY WAS WILLING TO BACK PAY THAT BACK TO OCTOBER, WHICH MEANS A LOT OF THESE EMPLOYEES WOULD RECEIVE. HALFWAY THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR AT THIS. POINT BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S THE COMMISSION'S DECISION TO RESOLVE THIS. WITH THAT I'M

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. WITH QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER BRODERICK YOU WANT

TO GO A HEAD AND GET SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS IN HERE. >> I GOT THE NUMBERS FIGURED OUT HERE AS TO WHAT THE TRUE IMPACTS OF THIS ARE, AND YOU'RE INDICATING THAT IF THERE'S A THIS ANY INCREASE IN PAY IS MADE RETROACTIVE BACK TO OCTOBER, ONE PAYMENT. AND THESE NUMBERS.

ARE GOD THROUGH MAY WHEN THE CONTRACT IS UPTERM IS UP AGAIN. WE START THIS ALL FORWARD. IS THAT ACCURATE? THE CONTRACT IS NOT UP UNTIL THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, SEPTEMBER 30, I BELIEVE. SO THE WAGES YOU AWARD TODAY WILL BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL THAT SEPTEMBER.

30 DAY. NEGOTIATIONS OPEN BACK UP AGAIN. NEGOTIATIONS START BEFORE THE EXPIRATION, THE CONTRACT SO YES, NEGOTIATIONS WILL START IN MAY FOR THE CONTRACT THAT WILL BEGIN IN

OCTOBER. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONERS? ANYBODY ELSE? >> MAYOR TO THE CITY IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ONLY ONE ITEM IS UP FOR DISCUSSION IN THIS CONTRACT AND THAT IS WAGES. YOU CONTINUE TO PUT IN BENEFITS AS PART OF THAT. BECAUSE BENEFITS CAN BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION.

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>> I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION SIR AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT. BENEFITS CAN BE NEGOTIATED CERTAINLY HOWEVER WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BENEFITS IMPACT OF THE BITTING WHEN YOU INCREASE PAGE WAGES THERE ARE NECESSARILY WAGES INCREASES THAT RESULT. RETIREMENT CONTRIBUTIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BY. SO BY INCREASING THE WAGES, THERE WOULD BE AN INCREASE IN BENEFITS COST TO. ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT. MI MRS. MORRIS.

>> THAT JUST THAT ARE ATTACHED TO WAGE THE SOCIAL SECURITY RETIREMENT AND WORK COMP THEY WILL SAVE TIME, THERE'S AN INCREASE. THERE'S A SALARY. AFFECT THE TOTAL COST ATTACHED TO THE SALARY.. SO ANYTIME THE SALARY CHANGES, THAT'S THE BENEFIT COST THAT CHANGES SO IT'S NOT ALL BENEFITS, IT'S JUST THE HOME OF ONES THAT ARE ATTRIBUTED TO.

>> T SALARY. >> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO, NOW, I'M GOING TO GO TO THE TEAMSTERS YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT A REBUTTAL. AND YOU HAVE TIME THAT'S LEFT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU HAVE LEFT,. 16 MINUTES AND SEVEN SECONDS, TWO MINUTES. SO WE'LL DO A WOULD YOU LIKE TO BEGIN. YES, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE 16 MI MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS I BELIEVE THATI BELIEVE THAT, AND I GET WHAT THE CITY'S ATTORNEY IS SAYING THAT THIS WILL IMPACT NEXT YEAR'S RACES, BUT EVERY YEAR'S RACES IMPACT NEXT YEAR'S RACES, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS. JESS YOU ARE SETTING A NEW FLOOR YOU ARE SETTING A NEW FLOOR WHEN THE CITY MANAGER OR THE CITY CLERK OR THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ANYBODY ELSE GOT THEIR 5% INCREASE THEY SET THEIR FLOOR ALSO. I DON'T WANT TO THINK OUR WORK FLOW IS SOMEHOW PROBLEMATIC FOR THE CITY GOING FORWARD BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T BE.

THIS IS REALLY JUST ABOUT -- AND I GET IT -- YOU GUYS HAVE A HARD JOB YOU HAVE GOT TO BALANCE THE INTEREST OF THE TASK PLAY HAD PAYERS WITH THE INTEREST OF THE EMPLOYEEIERS YOU CARE ABOUT.

IT'S NOT EASY. WE DON'T THINK THIS A HARD CALL THOUGH. WE THINK THIS IS AN EASY CALL. WE THINK DOING --WE THINK DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE LOWEST PAID PEOPLE IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. IT'D BE DIFFERENT IF WE WERE IN HERE ASKING FOR SOME A 10% INCREASE IN WILLING TO SAY, COULDN'T AFFORD IT, AND JUST TRYING TO YOU KNOW GOUGE THE CITY AND THE TAXPAYERS THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT. THIS IS ABOUT MAKIG SURE OUR LOWEST ARE PAID CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE CITY

OF FORT PIERCE. >>COMMISSION, JUST WITH THE NUMBERS I WENT BACK THROUGH AND I. KNOW MR. SORENSON HAD MENTIONED OR SUDDENLY I WENT THROUGH THE LIST AND I ACTUALLY FOUND THEM INDIVIDUALLY I COUNTED 78 THERE WAS ONE GOLF.

COURSE SUPERINTENDENT THAT WAS ON THE LIST THAT SHOULDN'T BE ON THE LIST. BUT THAT WAS THE

DIFFERENCE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE MAYOR. THANK YOU. >> ACCORDING TO MY SCRIPT THE TEAMSTERS AND CITY ARE NOW EXCUSED AT THIS TIME ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SUBMIT RELEVANT INFORMATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION MAY COME FORWARD. SPEAK FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES EACH, FOR EACH PERSON THAT COMESFORWARD STATE YOUR NAME A AND ADDRESS AND WAIT KATE WHETHER YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN IN ANYONE WISHING TO COME FORWARD SEEING NO MOVEMENT S TEAMSTERS MAY MAKE FINAL COMMENTS THAT ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.

MY LAST COMMENTS I PRIESTLEY SAID I'M NOT GOING TO SAY AGAIN THAT IS PRETTY MUCH MY REBUT

THAT WILL. THANK YOU >> THANK YOU SIR. THE CITY HAS FINAL COMMENTS.

>> WE HAVE NOTHING TO ADD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION THIS MORNING.

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>> SINCE THEY SAID NOTHING YOU HAVE NOTHING MORE TO REBUT. YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ONE

MINUTE IS THAT CORRECT MR. MYIER. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> ALL RIGHTY THE TIME FOR THE PRESENTATION QUESTIONS AND PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED.

THE COMMISSION WILL PROCEED TO DELIBERATION TO RESOLVE THE ONE IMPASSE ISSUE AS IT DEEMS TO BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST INCLUDING IN THE INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES INVOLVED.

COMMISSIONERS? >> MADAME CHAIR. LET ME START I'M CLARIFYING AND MAKE SURE I HEARING AID WHATD WHRD RD HERE CALCULATIONS AS WELL. BUT. AN OFFER WAS MADE, AND IT WAS TO KIND OF LEVEL UP SOME OF THE COLLECTION. IT LOOKS LIKE WE WOULD HAVE TO, IN OUR BUDGET, FIND ABOUT 35,030. $34,000 WHICH WE HAVEN'T BUDGETED FOR.

>> 66 EMPLOYEES. >> I DID THAT MATH. I HAD 65748 WHEN I DID THE MATH AT 79832. WE HAVE TO FIND THE MONEY IN RETROSPECT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COMPENSATE THAT. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CALCULATIONS BETWEEN THE TWO. YOU ARE SAYING 65 AND THIS IS

SAYING 34. >> I'M SAYING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DOLLAR 20 AND DOLLAR

60 ANOTHER $0.40 IS ANOTHER 657. >> YEAH. >> OFF THE 34.

>> I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THE OFFER RESKWREBTED IS 35,000.

>> YEAH. THE OFFER REJECTED -- >> WOULD BE EXTRA. YEAH. >> THE 65 PLUS THAT DIFFERENCE.

SO, I ALSO HEARD SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING THAT MAYBE NEW NEWS TO IT'S WE HAVE IMPENDING COSTS COMING OUR WAY. ALL OF THIS. THAT IS E OUT WITH- INTERESTING. RIGHT? AND TO THE TUNE OF THANK GOODNESS WE HAD THE CONTINGENCY PLAN TO SAVE FOR STUFF. BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING GOVERNMENT TO CONTINUE TO RUN AND OPERATE BUT IF WE GET ISSUED THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CURE, WE HAVE TO DO THAT RIGHT. THE LAST THING I HEARD IS WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK AT THIS TABLE IN BASICALLY A COUPLE OF MONTHS STARTING THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN. WITH THE UNION THAT IS ABOUT WAGES ETCETERA GOING FORWARD. WE ARE ENDING TO THE BUDGET SEASON I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GOING TO GET ALL THE WAY THERE. BUT I DO HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT UNDERSTANDING THE PLEA THE CONCERN THE ABILITY TO GET OUR EMPLOYEES AT A COMPARABLE LEVEL OF COMPENSATION THAT IS OUT THERE AND GETTING PEOPLE TO THE LEVEL THAT'S A STANDARD NOW. GET AN ANOTHER SWING AT THAT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. RIGHT NOW WHAT I SEE IN FRONT OF ME IS AN OFFER THAT WILL GET THEM TO A POINT BUT THEN WE HAVE TO ALSO TAKE IN MIND WHAT ELSE COULD WE DO TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE GAPS AND BEGIN TO SEE WHAT THAT IS AND SEE HOW THOSE GAPS CAN BE CLOSED MY CONCERN IS WE ARE WAY TOO OUR FISCAL YEAR AND WE HAVE THINGS WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE AND WE HAVE NOT ENENTERED THE PART OF OUR FISCAL YEAR THAT BRINGS A CHALLENGE TO OUR COASTAL COMMUNITY. THAT'S A CONCERN BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED IF THINGS HAPPEN HERE TO GET THE SAME EMPLOYEES THERE TO PAY THEM THAT FUND AMOUNT OF MONEY WE PAY THEM IN THE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. SO, ALL OF THIS IS WAYING ON ME AS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION HERE. THAT IS ME THINKING OUT LOUD IN MY

MIND RIGHT NOW WHAT I HAVE HEARD. >> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER

GAINES? >> MADAME MAYOR I'M SITTING HERE TAKING EVERYTHING IN AND I REMEMBER DOING THE BUDGET I REMEMBER THE POLICE BUDGET I REMEMBER EVERYTHING WE SAID AND DURING THAT TIME I SAID WE'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE TODAY DEALING WITH WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. DURING THAT TIME DURING THE BUDGET AND I SAY GET EVERYBODY 5%. THERE IS SOME

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EVERYBODY DESERVES 5% GO BACK TO THE MEETING THAT'S WHAT I SAID. I'M HERE LISTENING TO THE UNION LISTENING TO OUR ATTORNEY WE'RE AT 5% COMS AND COME EMPLOYEES IT REALLY DIDN'T HELP THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING SO WE CAME UP WITH THE DOLLAR 20 TO TRY TO EQUALIZE WHATEVER WE'RE TRYING TO GET THESE PEOPLE AND OUR EMPLOYEES PAID IF WE GO WITH OUR PROPOSAL, WE GOT TO COME UP WITH $35,000

SOMEWHERE. RIGHT? >> AND NOT JUST THIS YEAR. >> AND FIRST THING I DID WHEN I READ EVERYTHING I PUT MY MEDIATION LAWYERS HAT. THE NUMBERS I'M GOING THROUGH THIS THE AND I SAID WE'RE FIGHTING OVER 120, 160. SO, WHAT IS THE HALF OF THAT? 140? 135? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, I DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBERS BUT COMMISSIONER EXCUSE ME COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY GAVE ME 145 EXCUSE ME 145 WHICH WOULD BE BASED ON HIS CALCULATIONS 44616.

RIGHT? BASED ON YOUR CALCULATIONS. RIGHT? SO -- I DON'T KNOW THESE PROCEDURES IT'S NEW. I DON'T KNOW IF MRS. MORRIS IS RUNNING THOSE NUMBERS AT 140, 145 OR WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IF WE GO WITH OUR THIS IS MY THING IF WE GO WITH OURS WE STILL GOT TO FIND $34,000.

RIGHT? SO BASED ON -- I HOPE MY MOM IS NOT WATCHING THIS -- BASED ON THE MATH I'M TRYING TO DO IN MY HEAD IF WE MEET THIS IN THE MIDDLE. RIGHT? IF I MEET THIS IN THE MIDDLE WOULDN'T THAT ADD ABOUT ANOTHER TEN MORE THAN THAT? LESS THAN THAT? I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T DO THE MATH I'M JUST TRYING TO COME SOMEWHERE BECAUSE IF WE DO OUR PROPOSAL WE GOT TO COME UP WITH 34. RIGHT? 34,000. SO, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE IF IED AANOTHER 5 OR 60 I'M TRYING NO FIGURE THE THING.

SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? MEET IN THE MIDDLE EVERYBODY WALKS OUT OF HERE UPSET MAD AND UPSET BUT WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BECAUSE IF WE TAKE OUR PROPOSAL WE GOT TO GO FIND THE MONEY. AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS, SINCE WE PROPOSED IT, THE 5% IS OFF. AM I RIGHT ON THAT? BECAUSE WE GAVE A NEW PROPOSAL WITH THE 5% OR THE 120. WHICHEVER IS GREATER.

>> WHICHEVER IS GREATER. >> AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE. >> THAT IS THE 34,000.

>> YOU GO TO 145. >> I DIDN'T SAY. >> I SAID IF YOU WERE TO PICK THAT AS A $0.25 THAT IS ANOTHER41,000 ANNUALLY TO HAPPEN TO THAT 34,000 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SO IT WOULD BE 7000 IT WOULD BE $70,000.7 75000 WE ARE TRYIN FIND.

>> 75 [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE THESE EMPLOYEES SHOULD GET PAID. THEY DO. I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET THEM PAID WITHOUT CRIPPLING OUR BUDGET. I FOUND OUT NOW THAT WE GOT COMING UP, WE GOT

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$30 MILLION OUT OF OUR BUDGET. >> 38. >> 38 WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT. WE GOT A TOUGH DECISION HERE BECAUSE AGAIN THESE EMPLOYEES DESERVE A MINIMUM WAGE AND THEY

WORK HARD LET'S KEEP ALL THAT IN MY -- >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>> MY OBSERVATION IS THAT WE APPROVALED 5% ACROSS THE BOARD. OUR NEGOTIATING TEAM ON THEIR VOLITION I'M SURE AT THE DIRECTION OF MANAGEMENT POSSIBLY I'M NOT SURE HOW ALL THE OF THE MOVING PARTINGS WORK. THEY OFFERED KNOW THE 5% A DOLLAR 20 WHICH IS 34,000 MORE THAN WE BUDGETED FOR, $34,000 THAN WE APPROVED. THE NEGOTIATEK TEAM WITHOUT SOMEBODY'S AUTHORITY WENT AND OFFERED 34,000 OVER WHAT THIS COMMISSION ALREADY APPROVED. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT HAPPENS, BUT WE DO. SO, SUFFICE IT TO SAY,NOT REALLY SURE HOW THAT HAPPENS, BUT IT DID. SO.

SUFFICE IT TO SAY, WE ALREADY HAVE A DELTA. MINIMUM $34,000 THAT WE'RE TAPPING INTO RESERVE FUNDS TO PAY, I COME BACK TO THE TOPIC WHEN WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON YOU. CALL THIS DISCUSSION, PERFECTLY POUNDING MY HANDS RIGHT HERE. WE CANNOT NO INTO RESERV FUNDING SPENDING FOR OPERATIONAL COSTS EMERGENCY IS EXACTLY THAT EMERGENCIES ONGOING EXPENSES NOT OPERATIONAL COSTS I'M QUITE CONCERNED BY THE FACT WE'RE 34,000 OFF THAT MONEY POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THAT. IF YOU TAKE THE WAGE FORGET THE BENEFITS THAT'S A PERCENTAGE THAT GETS PUT ON THAT. WITH 70IFY THOUSAND DOLLARS AT 145. AND ONE SEUBLGT EXPONENTIALLY HIGH WERIER THAN THAT. SO, IT'S LIKE WE'RE GOING DOWN THIS PATH HERE, SAYING, WE HAD A HARD NUMBER OF 5%, BUT NUMBER 5% IS NO LONGER RELATIVE BECAUSE NOW WE'RE 5%, OR $1.20.

CREATING A $34 DEFICIT. IS THIS A LINE IN THE SAND OR NOT. WE'RE ENTERING INTO THE NEGOTIATIONS IN TWO MOWS IS OVER WHAT OUR BUDGET LINE ITEM IS. COMING IN FISCAL YEAR 2027WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO LOOK. SO HAVING SAID THAT, I'M VERY CONCERNED BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY $34,000 IN THE TANKERS DOOR WE COMMITTED TO THAT. WHERE THE CITY HAS GONE WITH THIS, I THINK, I FIND IT. TO BE REASONABLE I UNDERSTAND THE QUALITY OF LIFE COMPARABLE TO INCOME DISPOSABLE INCOME I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT IN DEPTH. HOWEVER, LOOKING AT BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS IT SEEMS TO ME THAT OUR HANDS ARE TIED, WE PUT A BUDGET, X, WE'RE ALREADY $34,000 OVER X. I CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE. , INCREASE THAT DEFICIT TO SAY WE TAKE IT OUT OF OUR EMERGENCY SPENDING FUND. I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED IN TERMS OF WHETHER TOGETHER, ORIGINALLY. I'M SAYING. WE CAN'T START PRINTING MONEY WE ARE NOT THE

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >> SO WE HAVE THREE PRETTY SERIOUS BUDGET SESSIONS LAST YAR AND WE MADE SOME REALLY HARD DECISIONS WE DID SOME HARD NEGOTIATING WE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THE RED THAT WAS ON THE BUDGET WHEN OUR FIRST SORT OF CRACKS AT IT IT IS ASOLUTELY WITHOUT QUESTION THAT THESE EMPLOYEES ARE APPRECIATED AND DESERVE AS MUCH MONEY AS WE CAN GIVE THEM BECAUSE THEY WORK HARD. I SEE THEM OUT THERE WHEN WE'RE CLEANING THE PARKS, WE WORK AND SO IT'S ABSOLUTELY MY WISH TO GIVE THEM EVERY PENNY THEY DESERVE. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO THAT. IF THERE IS ENOUGH MONEY IN THE BILL TO DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. I AM ALSO AWARE OF THE PROPERTY TAX ISSUE AND WHAT OUR STATE LEGISLATURE ALREADY THINKS WE SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY ON WHATEVER THEY THINK. THEY DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT OUR BUDGET THEY DON'T KNOW HOW HIGH WE WORK ON THAT BUDGET, BUT THEY ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND

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SO, I APPRECIATE THE CITY'S BARGAINING ABILITY TO DO THE 5% AND THE DOLLAR 20 AND FINDING THE 35,000, 34,000 BUT WE GET MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR WITH PROPERTY TAX I FEEL LIKE THIS IS WAY -- THIS IS WAY TOO MUCH OF A QUESTION MARK FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WITH OUR LIMITED BUDGET AND WHAT THE TAXPAYERS

ARE WILLING TO PAY. COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY >> MADAME MAYOR THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSIONERS. THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WE HAVE A QUALIFIED EBGS PERT AND MR. CHESS. I BELIEVE HE HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT OUR BUDGET AND MANAGE IT IN A WAY AND BRING US A BUDGET THAT IS BETTER THAN LAST YEAR AND PREVIOUS YEARS YES THE ISSUE OF THE LEGISLATURE ACTING BUT IT ALSO REQUIRES A REFERENDUM AND A VOTE. SO, THE CITIZENS HAVE TO DECIDE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY. IN THE INTEREST OF COMPROMISE I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR PHI % FOR A DOLLAR 45 AN HOUR WHICH R IS HIGHER PAID RETROACTIVELY IN THIS

PARTICULAR CONTRACT. THAT IS MY MOTION. >> IS THERE A SECOND? SO I DIES

FOR LACK OF SECOND. >> MADAME MAYOR IF I MAY I WANT TO GIVE YOU A LANDSCAPE OF THIS.

IT IS FOR ALL OF US REALLY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COMMISSION IS AWARE AND

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>> THANK YOU. YES, SIR? >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MRS. MORRIS IF POSSIBLE.

>> MADAME MAYOR WE ARE CLOSED QUESTION AND COMMENT TIME I WANT TO MAKE SURE BOTH PARTIES ARE OKAY WITH THE QUESTION PORTION BEING OPENED BACK UP. IN FAIRNESS BOTH SIDES SHOULD BE

GIVEN A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE HEARD. >> I YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH

YOUR QUESTION. >> JUST ONE QUESTION REALLY QUICK.

>> MRS. MORRIS. >> RARE OCCURRENCE I HAVE A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE OF OPINION THAN MRS. HEDGES I'M NOT OFFERING A LEGAL UPON I'M OFFERING A NEGOTIATING OPINION.

I'M NEGOTIATING ALL DAY LONG FROM THE MINUTE I GET UP. YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO THE 5% OR A DOLLAR 20. HOWEVER OUR NEGOTIATING TEAM REPRESENTING A DOLLAR 20. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THAT DOES COMMIT US THAT -- THEY PUT IT ON THE TABLE NOW IT'S BECOME THAT IS NOW THRESHOLD FOR NEGOTIATIONS UP. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IS THE BEST TIMING TO DO THAT. HOWEVER HAVING SAID THATTINGS I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WILL APPROVE THE 5% OR DOLLAR 20 WHICH IS GREATER RETROACTIVE BACK TO 21 THE QUESTION I GUESS I'M SAYING MY MOTION MRS. MORRIS THE $34,000 WE INDICATED IN THIS ANALYSIS WE ARE SHORT PACED ON THE OFFER FOR THE TABLE HOW

WOULD WE FUND THAT? >> IT WOULD COME FROM POSSIBLY FUND BALANCE. I SAY POSSIBLY WE HAVE SOMETIMES. VACANCIES, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS MAY BE COVERED BY THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD OF THE BROKEN POSITIONS, ETC.

>> CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> THAT IS A PERPETUAL AMOUNT

YOU ARE INCREASING THE PAYROLL. >> I'M PAYING FOR THE PROBLEM THIS IS CREATING GOING BACK TO

OUR LAST BUDGET WORKSHOP. HAVING SAID THAT MY MOTION IS 5% OR. >> WAIT. WE WANT TO GIVE THEM AN

OPPORTUNITY. >> THANK YOU MRS. MORRIS. TEAMSTERS DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING

TO SAY? >> NOTHING FURTHER MAYOR. >> CITY?

>> NO MA'AM THANK YOU. >> WILL THAT DO IT MRS. HEDGES? >> THANK YOU.

>> PROCEDURAL ISSUE. >> TO GET TO A MOTION I'M GLAD YOU CLARIFIED THAT. I SEE THREE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES HERE. COMMISSIONERS MAYOR, THIS UNION REPRESENTING TEAM THAT CAME UP WITH THIS, I THINK ALSO WE GOT TO THINK OF THE IMPLICATION BEYOND THIS RIGHT? WE'RE NOW COMMITTED TO ANNUALIZED SALARY IF IT GOES THROUGH WILL BUT BUMP US UPAT THAT POINT, AND THEN WE'RE BACK AT THE TABLE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND I'M SURE THAT PARTICULAR POINT, ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, AND ALONG WITH ALL OF THE OTHER EMERGING THINGS THAT MAY COME UP.

THAT WE CAN'T ANTICIPATE THAT AS THEY SHARED WE WILL HAVE TO FACE. ARE YOU RIGHT COMMISSIONER

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OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. THAT IS IT. >> MADAME MAYOR.

>> MR. CHESS. >> AM I ALLOWED TO COMMENT? >> MADAME MAYOR.

>> THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY IN THIS PROCEEDING FOR THEM TO BRING IT UP TO COMMENT FOR THE CITY MANAGER SAME PRACTICE. FOR FAIRNESS TO THE TEAMSTERS AND THE CITY ALLOWED TO RESPOND IF

THEY WISH. >> MR. CHESS WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE NEGOTIATION TEAM BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I WANT TO BE CLEAR WE DON'T GO TO NEGOTIATIONS NOT TRYING TO HAVE SOME ROOM TO COMPROMISE. SO, I'M CLEARLY ON THE POSITION OF NOT TOUCHING THE PRESS THAT IS YOUR DECISION TO MAKE THAT DECISION, WE ARE CLEAR NO RESERVES I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO THE UNION OR THE EMPLOYEES WE WANT TO SAY NO THAT 5% WITH NOTHING ELSE THAT IS NOT NEGOTIATING THAT IS NOT BEING TRANSPARENT THAT IS NOT COMPROMISING MY POSITION IS NOT TO USE ANY RESERVES I WANT THAT TO BE VERY CLEAR I'M DESTINED OPPOSITION. I DON'T WANT ANYTHING ABOVE WHAT WAS APPROVED AT 5% AS WE PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT OUR GENERAL WHICH IS MOST OF THE EMPLOYEES, ARE IN FUNDED, PROPERTY TAX. BUT ALSO CAPITAL REGIME PROJECTS IN OUR GENERA FUND THERE IS EXTREME NEED WE INCREASE CAPITAL IMPROVING PLAN AND WE ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS WHETHER IT'S VEHICLES INFRASTRUCTURE BUILDINGS OF LIKE, ROADS THERE ARE A LOT OF COSTS WAGES, WE ARE TALKING SOFT COSTS THE HUMAN COST S BUT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE STRUCTURAL COSTS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE SOUNDS LIKE THE LITTLE 40. % PERCENT 45% THE COMPOUNDING EFFECT OF THAT. IT'S FAIR TO PRESENT SOMETHING TO THE OTHER SIDE. WELL, WE WOULD PUT THIS FORWARD BUT I WOULD NOT APPROVE IT AS YOU TO APPROVE THAT, BUT I WOULD NOT APPROVE IT, SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FIT TO THE EMPLOYEES INSTEAD OF TO NEGOTIATION TEAM FOREMAN OR FOREWOMAN TO BACK BA YOU BACK TO YOU ALL WITH NOTHING THAT WE PROPOSED. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH THAT. THAT MY CONCERN IS THAT THE CAPITAL NEEDS, AS WELL AS THE HUMAN CAPITAL AND WE HAVE TO TAKE A CONSIDERATION, AND HE WAS VERY CLEAR DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S WHY I STAND WITH CONSERVATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGETING I DON'T LIKE DEFICIT SPENDING AND I DON'T LIKE TOUCHING RESERVES OR SPENDING FUTURE BALANCE

ALLOCATE FOR FUTURE PERIODS. THAT IS MY COMMENT. >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?

YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. >> IN FAIRNESS WE SHOULD LIMIT THE AMOUNT THE MAYOR IS GOING TO

GO CRAZY WE SHOULD GIVE HIM AS MUCH TIME AS HE NEEDS. >> I MAY GO CRAZY YOU WILL BE BRIEF. IF I GOT A $10,000 INCREASE I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH A 5% INCREASE, TOO. I'M SURE IF THE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE MAKING THE MAKING $20 AN HOUR GOT A $10,000 PAY INCREASE. THEY'D BE THINKING 5% ISN'T THE NUMBER TWO. SO, SINCE MANAGERS POINT, HE TAKES 5% IS ENOUGH, BECAUSE

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THREE OR FOUR TO THE UNION. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THAPBLEN E THANK YOU SIR

CITY. >> NO COMMENT. >> MRS. HEDGES?

>> THANK YOU. >> WE'RE BACK TO THE COMMISSION. >> MADAME MAYOR I AM TIRED OF SAYING ALL THIS STUFF GOING ON THE COMMISSION IS SAYING 5% TO THROW IN 5% ON $10,000 RAISE THAT WAS -- HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 5% HIS CONTRACT AND SIX MONTHS IN THE CONTRACT TO SAY THAT'S WHAT IT WAS IS NOT TRUE. WE NEGOTIATED HIS CONTRACT AND WE PUT IN THERE SIX MONTHS, WE APPROVE WHAT HE HAD DONE IN SIX MONTHS THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO. THAT'S WHERE WE BE. BUT 5% HARD NUMBER FROM THIS BOARD BECAUSE I FOUGHT FOR IT DURING THE BUDGET MEETING DURING THE TALK THEY TRIED TO MAKE IT 3.5% ABSOLUTELY NOT. SO, MY CONCERN IS THIS. MY CONCERN IS THIS. I DON'T KNOW -- I HAVE TALKED TO MADAME ATTORNEY I UNDERSTAND BARGAINING, I DO IT ALL THE DAY. BUT IF THE COMMISSION SAYS 5% HOW CAN WE GO TO AN AGREEMENT OR A NEGOTIATION WITHOUT APPROVED FROM US SAYING CAN WE GO ABOVE WHAT WE SAID AT 5%? I DON'T KNOW THE RULES ON THAT. I DON'T GET INTO THE BARGAIN THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME. SO, I'M CONCERNED THAT IF I RAISE MY HAND OR GET CALLED AND SAY ASK FOR MY VOTE AND MY VOTE IS 5% BUT THEN WE NEGOTIATION AND WE GO ABOVE 5% SAY THE UNION HAD ACCEPTED THAT. THE UNION HAD ACCEPTED THAT THAT SUPERSCEDED WHAT WE SAID NOW WE HAVE TO ASK THE TAX PAYERS FOR 5%. I'M I THOUGHT YOU SAID 5% I'M JUST CURIOUS OF THE POLICY. THAT'S THE POLICY THAT'S BEEN GONE BEFORE, THAT'S FINE, BUT I THOUGHT THAT IF WE SAID SOMETHING THAT WAS IT. UP TO MR. MEYER IS RESPONDING TO MY COMMENT.

>> SURE I CAN ANSWER THE COMMISSIONER GAINES HOW THE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE HOW THE CITY OPERATES AND MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO OPEN IT UP THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE AT THIS POINT.--ANYTHING, I'D BE PERFECTLY FINE. SAME PATTERN WE'VE BEEN DOING AT THIS POINT. WHEN NEGOTIATIONS ARE HAPPENING, YOU HAVE SET YOUR BUDGET, GENERALLY, NEGOTIATIONS ARE PRELIMINARY. I THINK MAYBE THE WAY TO THINK OF THIS BEST IS SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS, IF WE'RE NEGOTIATING SOME SORT O SETTLEMENT OR NEGOTIATING CONTRACT, BUT IS DECIDED BETWEEN STAFF AND THE OTHER SIDE, DECISION THAT HAS TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU TO RATIFY AND DISAGREE WITH IT. THEORETICALLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO YOU COULD DISAGREE WITH IT, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE WHAT THEY ULTIMATELY AGREED TO THE SAME WITH WHAT WE DO HERE TODAY. ANY NOTION THAT PASSES THAT WOULD GET PUT INTO THE AGREEMENT, IT WOULD COME BACK BEFORE YOU ALL TO RATIFY THAT AND APPROVE THAT CONTRACT, PRESUMING BOTH SIDES SIGN IT. SO I THINK TO KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE ULTIMATE DECISION AUTHORITY. YOU ALL STILL HAVE THE ULTIMATE. DECISION AUTHORITY.

>> I GET THAT I REALLY DO. I GUESS I'M GOING TO TAKE OFF MY OTHER HAT IT'S NOT MAKING SENSE TO ME BECAUSE IF I GO TO NEGOTIATION AND I'M REPRESENTING AND WE SAY 5% 1.2 IF I'M THE OTHER SIDE I'M GOING TO FAKE THAT ADD THAT'S WHAT IS COMING FROM THE CITY.

>> YES SIR. AND I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY A POLICY DIRECTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER FOR HIS

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SO, WE HAVE A POLICY AND MIXED AMENDMENT. >> I'M FINE WITH THAT. THIS IS NOT TOWARD THE NEGOTIATION TEAM OR ATTORNEY I UNDERSTAND SETTLEMENTS. I DO IT ALL DAY BUT THE OTHER SIDE UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN IF THEY HAVE ACCEPTED THAT. SAY THAT ACCEPTED THE FIVE AT ONE POINT THE DOLLAR 20. THEY HAD TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US TO SAY YES OR NO. IS THAT NO? BECAUSE IF I LEAVE A SETTLEMENT AND I GOT THAT AND I GO BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND THEY SAY NO

THE OTHER SIDE I'M GOING TO BE UPSET. >> YES, SIR? MADAME MAYOR COMMISSIONERS TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY UNLIKELY FOR THAT TO HAPPENBUT I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS THE. STUDENT PROCEDURE THAT HAPPENS THAT THE CONTRACT HAS TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU FOR ME RATHER MODIFIES SIGNED INTO THEIR AUTHORITY TO SIGN. BUT YOU ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO ASK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO OPEN IT BACK UP TO BOTH SIDES TO ANSWER THE CONCERNS COMMISSIONER

GAINES HAS RAISED. >> YOU WANT TO SPEAK? CAN YOU LET THE CITY ATTORNEY OR

TEAMSTERS SPEAK FIRST. >> WE HAVE BEEN LETTING TEAMSTERS SPEAK FIRST MR. MYIER.

>> YEAH. BRIEFLY TO YOUR QUESTION, YEAH WE ASSUME THAT WHEN WE RECEIVED THE DOLLAR 20 OFFER THERE WAS AT LEAST A POLLING OF THE COMMISSIONERS AS A GENERAL RULE I WOULD THINK THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER WOULD POLL THE COMMISSIONERS OUT OF THE SHADE MEETING IN WHICH WE WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT IS PUBLICLY DISCUSSED TO GET CONSENSUS FROM THE MAJORITY OF THEOF THE MEMBERS BEFORE PRESENTING IT TO THE UNION SO I THOUGHT WE HAD ASSUMED THAT ONE OF THOSE TWO THINGS HAD HAPPENED. SOME OTHER THAT HAD A SHAME MEETING SO I JUST THOUGHT THERE HAD BEEN SOME INDEPENDENT CALLC POLLING THAT IS MY ASSUMPTION SUP THAT IS WHERE WE WERE. I'M AN ATTORNEY THAT HAS DONE THIS WAY TOO MANY YEARS NO MATTER WHAT YOU DECIDE TODAY WILL BE REDUCED TO WRITING, WE WILL SIGN IT. AND BROUGHT BACK TO THE BARGAINING UNION AND TO THE COMMISSION FOR RATIFICATION. THAT WILL BE SIGNED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S APPROVED BY THE BARGAINING UNIT OR NOT APPROVED BY THE BARGAINING UNIT BUT A MATTER OF STATUTE IF IT'S NOT RATIFIED BY T THE BARGAINING UNIT THEN IT'S IMPOSED UPON THE PARTIES. THANK YOU. YES, SIR, MR. KELLER, JUST ADD TO THAT VERY QUICKLY, BOTH THE UNION AND THE CITY BARGAINING TEAMS DO THE BEST THEY CAN TO REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF THE FOLKS, THEY REPRESENT, INTEREST OF THE COUNCIL BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT CAN COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL DESIGN HAVE TO RATIFY IT LEGAL. AND FOR THEM THE STATUTORY STRUCTURE, THE IDEA THOUGH IS THAT BOTH SIDES DO THEIR BEST TO REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF THE FOLKS THEY REPRESENT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE TO RATIFY IT OR THE.

REYOU ARE >> YOU ARE SAYING BOTH SIDES RECOGNIZE WE'RE MAKING BUT YOU

DON'T HAVE THE APPROVAL UNTIL YOU HAVE THE APPROVAL CORRECT? >> BOTH SIDES ARE MADE IN GOOD FAITH THEY ARE MADE IN THE INTEREST OF THE PARTIES IS THE EMPLOYER OR THE REST OF THE UNIT. BUT THERE'S TIMES WHEN WHAT'S NEGOTIATED AND AGREED TO AT THE TABLE ULTIMATELY IS NOT

APPROVED BY. BY EITHER BOTH SIDES. >> MAY I MAKE A COMMENT?

>> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY HAS SOMETHING TO SAY AND I THINK YOU DO.

>> I WANTED TO HOW THE EMPLOYEES WILL LOOK AT THIS IT WAS REPRESENTED AT $16 AN HOUR TO $24 IS THE AREA IN WHICH THE BARGAINING REPRESENTATIVE STATED IN A PREVIOUS STATEMENT.

5% AT $16 AN HOUR, HOUR TO $24 IS REALLY THE AREA IN WHICH THE BARGAINING REPRESENTATIVE STATED

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SEE WHERE IT GOES. >> COMMISSIONER WANTS TO SPEAK. >> I HAVE A MOTION PRIOR TO

THAT. >> YEAH. HE HAD A MOTION PRIER. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE

TABLE. >> MADE A MOTION. >> I DON'T THINK I FINISHED IT.

>> I THINK YOU DID MADE A MOTION FOR 5% OR DOLLAR 20 RETROACTIVELY TO OCTOBER 21ST.

>> I APOLOGIZE I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A SECOND OR DISCUSSION. >> THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION OR

THERE WAS NO SECOND. >> RIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WOULD YOU REPEAT IT

AGAIN. >> IT WAS A MOTION FOR 5% OR A DOLLAR 20 WHICHEVER IS GREATER

RETROACTIVELY TO OCTOBER 21ST. >> IS THERE A SECOND? IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. THAT DIES FOR LACK OF SECOND. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY YOU WANTED TO SPEAK.

>> THANK YOU. THE REASON I ASKED QUESTION IT WASN'T DIRECTEYOU W SPEAK.

>> THANK YOU. THE REASON I ASKED QUESTION IT WASN'T DIRECTE TOWARDS THE NEGOTIATIONS I COTHIS EVERY DAY. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT WHO WILL GO BACK AND READ THIS AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY WHEN WE CAME IN FRONT OF THEM THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO INTO THE RESERVES. WHEN WE CAME IN FRONT OF THEM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS THIS OR BASICALLY TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE THIS IS OUR BUDGET SAID AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. THAT IS THE WASN'T PART I HAVE. I UNDERSTAND GOOD FAITH BUT I UNDERSTAND HAVE A DUTY TO THE TAXPAYERS TO SAY WHEN WE SAY SOMETHING WE MEAN IT. I'M ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE GOOD FAITH AND THAT IS NOT WHAT WE GAVE I DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE I'M COMING BACK ON WHAT YOUR GOOD FAITH WAS. THAT IS MY DILEMMA RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHY I SAID WHAT I SAID BECAUSE WE ARE SITTING UP HERE. I REMEMBER THE NEGOTIATIONS VERY WELL. I REMEMBER ALL THOSE OFFICERS SITTING UP THERE VERY WELL. VERY WELL. I SAID THEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OFFICERS, I BROUGHT UP PUBLIC WORKS AND I SAID WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS? I BROUGHT THEM UP. SO, WE'RE HERE AND I'M JUST CONFUSED NOW YOU KNOW WHERE WE GO FROM HERE. BECAUSE ONE PART I WANT TO GO INTO RESERVE. ONE PART I THINK WE HAVE TO GO INTO RESERVE THAT'S WHAT WAS PRESENTED. AND NEGOTIATE ON GOOD FAITH. SO, I'M JUST RIGHT HERE I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW. AS FAR AS OVER TO THE 160 FROM WHAT I'M HEARING THE HARM ON THE FINANCIAL BUDGET I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD DO THAT JUST BECAUSE I GOT TAX PAYERS LOOKING AT ME RIGHT NOW SAYING YOU KNOW WHERE IS THIS MONEY COMING FROM? WE VOTED ON IT WE BALANCED THE BUDGET AND WE JUST APPROVED OUR BUDGET THIS WEEK. RIGHT? WE APPROVED IT THIS WEEK.

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>> LAST WEEK. >> THE AMENDMENT DROPPED WE ARE SITTING HERE FORGETTING EVERYTHING WE HAVE DONE. WE NEED TO JUST BE CONSISTENT WE TALK ABOUT BEING CONSISTENT AND DOING EVERYTHING AND NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT. THAT IS MY CONCERN OVER HERE. YOU GUYS HAVE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS BOTH OF GUYS KNOW IT WAS IN GOOD FAITH I'M HAPPY WITH THAT. THEY HAD TO COME TO US. AS LONG A** YOU ARE GUYS KNEW THAT. YOU ARE GUYS KNEW THAT.S* YOU ARE GUYS KNEW THAT. YOU ARE GUYS KNEW THAT. I'M GOOD WHAT I DON'T WANT IS ONE SIDE THINKING WAIT A MINUTE. I KNOW HOW. SEWING CITY GOVERNMENT WORKS. I'VE BEEN 1000 AT ALL. SHE'S LAUGHING. I'VE BEEN THOUGHT OF THOSE MEDIATION. MEDIATIONS AND YOU WALK OUT AND FORGET IT GOES TO CITY COMMISSION AND THEY HAVE A THOUSAND CONCERNS AND BOTH SIDES KNEW IT HAD TO COME BACK

TO THAT. >> YOU GOT A MOTION ON ALL THAT? >> SOMEBODY HASN'T TALKED

ANYTHING. SOMEBODY GET A MOTION TOGETHER. >> MADAME MAYOR I JUST WANTED TO BE SUREWE DID NEGOTIATING GOOD FAITH, YES, AND I'M NOT IN POSITION INTO POLLING FOR THE MAYOR COMMISSIONS THERE ARE SUNSHINE LAWS RELATED TO THAT. SO, ONE BY. ONE AND SAY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE NEGOTIATING SCHEME PROPOSE I DO NOT SAY THAT SO WHEN I DO MAKE A PROPOSAL. IT'S BASED ON THE MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION, AND OUR ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE DIRECTLY WITH YOU, AND WHAT WE PROPOSE ARE ONLY OPTIONS. WE DO NOT MAKE THAT DECISION, AND I BELIEVE I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO GIVE THE MAN COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS OPTIONS. IT'S NOT FOR ME TO COME BACK AND GIVE THEM NOTHING THEY SAID WHAT DID YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT WHAT DID YOU DO SO, I STILL STAND ON. ALTHOUGH I'M NOT ABOUT SPENDING RESERVES BUT I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO GIVE THE COMMISSIONERS OPTIONS THAT'S WHAT I DID. I CANNOT POLL VOTE I'M NOT GOING TO VIOLATE SUNSHINE LAWS THAT'S WHAT I DID WHAT WE DID. THAT'S WHY I SAID NO ONLY 5% ZIP THAT IS NOT BEING FAIR. IT'S NOT BEING TRANSPARENT FOR THE EMPLOYEES CAN YOU GIVE US SOME TYPE OF OPTION SO WE GAVE YOU OPTIONS. WITH THOSE OPTIONS BEING PRESENTED ARE NOT 160 OR 120 YOU WILL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION YOU WILL MAKE TODAY FOR ME TO COME BACK HERE WITH NO OPTION IF I DON'T THEY THAT IS FAIR FOR YOU ALL. AGAIN I'M NOT GOING TO POLL THE MAYORS AND COMMISSIONS ON THIS. THAT IS AGAINST THE SUNSHINE LAW. AND I WANT TO HUMANIZE THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR THE EMPLOYEES I RESPECT. YOU ALL. THANK YOU. INDIVIDUALLY, AT ONE POINT IN TIME, AND DECIDE ON THE HUMANIZE THIS, THE CITY IS A HOUSE AS WELL. WE'RE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MO OF COURSE HAT WE HAVE TO BID AND WE DO NOT FORESEE AS WELL SO IF THIS IS A HOSE SO WE ARE FAMILY, AND YOU'RE ON NKNOW THA. ALL KNOW THAT I'M BACK. WE'RE ON THE BUSILY, WE'VE BEEN IN MEDIATION TOGETHER AND DISCIPLINED ISSUES TO COME IN DISCIPLINED SITUATION TOGETHER. I RESPECT YOUR INDIVIDUALLY YOU ALL KNOW THAT, BUT HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TOCITY FUNDS AND RESPECT THE CITY'S POSITION TO COME TO BALANCING THE BUDGET AND RESPECTYOU ALL DO SURE TO COME BACK TO AND TO GET PAID NINE NOT TO BE LAID OFF A JOB THAT'S BEYOND JUST 5%. MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO YOU AS WELL AS TO ME. YOU HAVE A HOUSEHOLD AS WELL. THE CITY'S BUDGET HAS A HOUSEHOLD I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND WE SPEAK FUEL COSTS ARE SKYROCKETING TAKING PLACE WITH TE WAR RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE ISSUES WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE WITH PUBLIC WORKS THAT ARE PHENOMENAL JOB OF ADDRESSING THAT YOU'RE A PART OF EVERYTHING. AND WE BROUGHT EXTRA EQUIPMENT FOR THAT SO I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CITY IT'S NOT A NEBULOUS EXISTENCE IT'S REAL ANDTHAT WE SUSTAIN OUR BUDGET YOU TALKED ABOUT SHARING, SUSTAINABILITY, ECONOMICS, THE CITY IS ALL ABOUT

IN THE EXAM BEFORE YOU SPEAK. I NEED TO LET MR. >> -- I HAVE TO LET MR. MEYERS

SPEAK DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING AFTER MR. CHESS SPOKE. >> REAL QUICK THERE IS NOTHING ILLEGAL HAVING INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS I'M NOT GIVING YOU LEGAL ADVICE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT TELLING THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHAT YOU SAID. THAT IS WHY AND YOU HAVE THE END OF SHAPE MEETINGS WHERE IT'S OUT OF SUNSHINE IT'S LEGAL

TO DISCUSS THOSE MATTERS I'M NOT SURE YOU DID THAT OR NOT. >> BEFORE YOU RESPOND I DISAGREE

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ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE A CITY CHARTER THAT SAYS YOUR CITY MANAGER CAN'T TAKE INDIVIDUAL AND IT'S A MISDEMEANOR FOR YOU OUT TO GIVE YOU INDIVIDUAL DIRECTION, SO THIS WILL BE A WHOLE VARIABLE WITH MR. MYERS, AND PLEASE DO NOT TAKE. ADVICE FROM THAT AND ACCORDING

TO THAT. >> MR. KELLER. >> THE CITY'S TEAM APPLIED WITH ALL OF THE -- I'LL DO SAY VERY BRIEFLY, THE CITY'S BARGAINING TEAM, COMPLY WITH ALL THE OUT OF FULL LABOR LAWS THEY GET VERY NUANCED WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO BEFORE AND AFTER AN IMPASSE. AND ALL THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GE GETINTO THAT, I'LL JUST SAY AT

THE CITY'S BARGAINING PMAX I THINK GOOD FAITH AT ALL TIMES. >> MISS MRS. MA MAYOR I MAKE A MOTION TO A DOLLAR 20 AN HOUR OR 5% WHICHEVER IS BIGGER RETROACTIVE TO OCTOBER. THAT IS

MY MOTION. >> IS DENIED. >> SECOND.

>> CAL THE ROLE PLEASE. >> BRODERICK. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> NO MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> I'M GOING TO VOTE YES ON THIS

ONE. >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES MA'AM. MOTION PASSES.

THAT WAS FOR 5% OR A DOLLAR 20 WHICHEVER IS GREATER RETROACTIVELY TO OCTOBER 1ST.

>> MADAME MAYOR WHAT I ALSO HEARD THIS CAME FROM MR. CHESS I WOULD ASK STAFF AND MRS. MORRIS TO LOOK AT THIS. I DON'T WANT YOU THINKING IT'S 34,000 MAY ALL COME FROM RESERVE. RIGHT? I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT. THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER ITEMS IN THE BUDGET SOME THING THAT DIDN'T GET FAIR MAYBE HIGHER UP POSITIONS WHATEVER THAT IS THE NUMBERS MAY WORK THEMSELVES OUT.

I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO MONITOR THIS CLOSELY AND MAYBE HAVE AN UPDATE OR KIND OF A PATHWAY MAYBE AFTER YOU GUYS HAVE GONE BACK AND LOOKED AT THIS. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO COME BEFORE US AND THE PUBLIC NOT JUST US BUT ALSO THE PUBLIC. I DON'T WANT THIS DISCUSSION TO DIE. YOU BUT I WANT TO SAY ABREAST OF THIS. IN LIGHT OF THIS AND WHAT I HEARD EARLIER ABOUT THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT YET ABREAST OF AS FAR AS CHALLENGES WE FEED TO MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS FINANCIAL DISCUSSION SO WE KEEP THE PUBLIC INFORMED WITH FACTUAL INFORMATION THAT IS JUST MY REQUEST I WANT TO PUT IN FRONT OF MY COMMISSIONERS AND MY WEEKLY OUT WITH MR. CHESS I WILL BE ASKING FOR AN UPDATE IN THE PUBLIC IN EFFECT TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION.

>> MR. JOHNSON MAY I ADD SOMETHING TO. WE ARE CLOSING ON THE END OF FIRST QUART ERHERE FINANCIALLY, ALL I NEED IS A FOR END OF FIRST QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT, SPECIFICALLY ON THE LINE ITEM OF PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, WAGES, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TRACK IF THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DELTA BETWEEN THE BUDGET AND NOT WHAT WE ACTUALLY PAID OUT I'M GOING TO SPECULATE THE AMOUNT WE PAID OUT IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT LESS IN THE BUDGET FOR THE FIRST QUARTER BECAUSE OF VACANCIES AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS IS GOIGOING TO BE COVERED COVERED UNDER PUBLIC SERVICE OR PUBLIC WORKS WAGES LINE ITEMS BECAUSE OF VACANCIES IF WE CAN TAKE A SNAPSHOT OF THAT AT THE END OF THE FIRST QUARTER, THAT IS GOING

TO SHOW HOW WE'RE TRENDING. >>THE EMPLOYEES BEYOND PUBLIC WORKS IN THIS CATEGORY, TOO.

WHERE ARE THE AGGREGATE OF THAT PAYROLL IS CONTINGENT WHAT IS RUNNINGIN COMPARISON TO BUDGET AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FIND THERE'S A SHORT NOT A SHORT WHILE, THERE'S A SAVINGS IN THAT'S GOING TO REPLY TO THE ST BEN P BENCHMARK THERE'S A SAVINGANY.

OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE DID NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING RELATED TO THE PAY RANGES. THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COMMISSION DOES NOT WANT TO MAKE A SECOND MOTION RELATED TO ANY INCREASE WITH THE PAY RANGES, JUST IN CASE THAT BECAME FORGOTTEN IN ALL OF THE

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>> THE PAY RANGE IS TAUING ABOUT KIND OF LIKE STEPPED WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS IS WHAT IS YOUR RANGE WE ARE 1, 2, 3 AND THERE IS RANGING. SO, I THINK BOTH PROPOSALS INCLUDED 5% INCREASE TO THE BASE OF THAT RANGE AND THE HIGH OF THAT RANGE THE GENTLEMEN CAN CONFIRM AM I

CORRECT IN THAT. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> MR. KELLER MR. MEYERS.

>> TO MAKE IT CLEAR IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY'S MARCH 5TH PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU I ENTHUSIASM THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THAT PROPOSAL WAS BEING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S PROPOSAL I THINK IN IT'S ENTIRETY. WE ARE REDUCE THIS TO WRITING ARE WE LEAVING THAT SENTENCE OUT ABOUT ADJUSTING THE RANGE. THE CLARIFICATION OF THE MOTION WOULD JUST BE THE RANGE HAS MOVED THE SAME 5% WE HAVE

DONE IN THE PAST ALSO. >> YES MADAME MAYOR WITH THE MOTION MADE I DON'T THINK THAT IS CLEAR THE RANGES ARE GOING TO BE ADJUSTED BY 5%. SO, YOU BE STARTING IN THAT RANGE WILL GO UP 5% FOR NEW EMPLOYEES FOR EXAMPLE. AND YOU HIDE YOU CAN MAKE IN THAT RANGE ALSO GOES UP BY 5% BY THE MAXIMUM YOU CAN MAKE IN YOUR PAY RANGE IF YOU DO WANT THAT RANGE INCREASED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE 5% INCREASE I WOULD ASK THAT THERE BE A SECOND MOTION TO ALSO MAKE THAT

CHANGE TO THE CONTRACT. >> NOW I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE IS THAT INCLUDING THE 34,000

REPRESENT THAT? >> NO. THAT WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE. THE WAGE INCREASE WOULD NOT BE SPECIFICALLY EFFECTED BY THE SALARY INCREASE THAT YOU ARE GIVING.

>> YOU MEAN DISCUSS RANGES THAT IS NOT RELATIVE TO THIS DISCUSSION.

>> RELATIVE TO THAT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED. >> MR. SORINSON YOU WANT TO SAY

SOMETHING. AND MRS. HEDGES I WILL LET YOU SAY SOMETHING. >> VERY SPECIFIC TO WHAT WE'RE

DEALING WITH. >> MR. SWORENSON. >> MADAME MAYOR THE PAY RANGES ARE FOR THE ENTIRE CITY'S CLARIFICATION PLAN. WHAT THAT IS NO ADDITIONAL IMPACT OVER THE 34,000. WE DID THE ANALYSIS WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PROPOSAL AND WITH THE INCREASE YOU ARE GIVING TO THE BARGAINING MEMBERS NOBODY IS BELOW THE NEW AN MINSSO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR CONSULTANT WAS TO RAISE THE MEN'S AND THE MAXES OF THE CLASSIFICATION PLAN THAT HAS NO ADDITIONAL IMPACT TO THE CITY'S FINANCIAL STATUS AS PEOPLE THAT COME IN AT A HIGHER RACE RATE BUT ONLY 5% RATE CHANGE AND THAT NEEDS TO TOP OUT AT AN ADDITIONAL 5% WHEN WE PUT THE PROPOSAL TOGETHER EMAIL RECEIVED FROM STEVE FROM THE BARGAINING UNIT AND US AT THE TABLE, WE AR CONGRUENCE OF DOING IT. WE WANT TO DO THAT. WE'RE REQUESTING TO DO THAT. IT WAS THIS GOING, I BELIEVE, BACK. TO THE FIRST SLIDE. IT TALKS ABOUT THE PAY RANGES FOR THIS COMMUNITY. 26 SHALL BE INCREASED BY FIVE PERCENT IT DID GET WRAPPED UP AS PART OF THE

OTHER. THAT IS SOMETHING WE PRESENTED. >> SO IT DOESN'T HAVE FUTURE

BUDGET IMPLICATIONS. >> YES, WE HAVE FUTURE BUDGET IMPLICATIONS FROM ANYBODY COMING

THIS. >> RIGHT. >> YES MA'AM.

>> ARE YOU OBLIGATING US TO FUTURE BUDGET INCREASES? >> SO WE WOULD BE -- OUR FUTURE BUDGET INCREASE -- WELL I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE HIRE SOMEBODY NEW AND YOU AGREE TO INCREASE THE MINS THEY WOULD COME IN AT THAT NEW RANGE I CAN TELL YOU THE WAY OUR CLASSIFICATION PLAN WORKS FOR THE CITY IS IF YOU HAVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ARE YOU NOT COMING IN AT THE MINS ANYWAYS YOU ARE COMING IN WITH EXPERIENCE COMING INTO NEW MEN ANYWAYS, LET'S SAY YOU GOT FOUR YEARS. FOUR YEARS IF IT BECOMES. AROUND THE FULL FOUR YEAR MARK, WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL THE FIRST QUALITAL, SO TO SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE BUDGET YET BUDGET IMPLICATION ANY BAYS IT WOULD BE HARD TO QUANTIFY EXACTLY WHATWOULD IT IMPACT THE BUDGET? SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING IT BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT. AT THIS POINT, AND YOU CAN

ASK US TO DO THAT SOME LATER TIME I CAN. >> I CAN.

>> WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION. >> MADAME MAYOR I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT IF THIS IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION OUR WAGES THIS IS WHAT HAVE TO POTENTIALLY COME UP

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THIS IS WHAT THE TOTAL COST WOULD HAVE WITH THOSE ADJUSTMENTS OF 5% ON THE

INCREASE ON THE ACTUAL MINIMUM MAXIMUM RANGES CORRECT. >> THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL COST

THIS. IS WHAT THE COST IS. RIGHT. RIGHT. >> I UNDERSTAND THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL COST YOU HAVE TO PUT IT FROM A BUDGETING STANDPOINT YOU CAN'T SAY YOU WILL INCREASE SOMETHING BY 5% WITHOUT A FORECAST OF HOW MUCH THAT IS GOING TO BE IN REAL DOLLARS THAT

IS WHAT THIS IS RIGHT. >> YES. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. >> MRS. MORRIS.

>> JUST TO HELP JARED OUT A LITTLE BIT. YOU ARE CHANGING THE RANGE AND IT AS FOR THE EMPLOYEE THAT IS IN THAT RANGE TO EARN MORE EARNINGS WITHOUT CAPPING OUT THERE IS NO COST UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY INCREASE THE AMOUNT SO IT'S WHATEVER YOU ARE MAKING CURRENTLY IS JUST A RANGE CHANGES SO YOU CAN EARN MORE. SO, IT'S NO IMPACT AS TO WHAT IS PRESENTED HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GET WHAT THEY ALREADY GOT. IT JUST GIVES MORE EARNING CAPACITY IN THAT RANGE.

>> AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> MR. SORINSOH. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONERS HAS. TO ME, ARRIVING AT THE CITY WE HIDE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, HIRED A COMPENSATION CONSULTANT. AND PART OF WHAT WE HAVE AN ONGOING RELATION WITH HIM, IS HE EACH YEAR DO A SOFT EVALUATION THEY LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AROUND US HEY YOU NEED TO INCREASE YOUR WAGES BY 1% OR 2% TO KEEP UP WITH CITIES AROUND US THIS IS THE REQUEST THAT CAME FROMTHIS IS A REQUEST FROM ARKANSAS WAS SAYING HEY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN CITIES AROUND ME, THEY'RE INCREASING THE RANGES. WE WOULD BE LESS COMPETITIVE WITH SOME OF THE CITIES AROUND US THAT ARE SIMILAR TO OUR SIZE AND STRUCTURE.

>> SO MR. MEYERS DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? >> NO MA'AM.

>> MR. KELLER. >> NO MA'AM THANK YOU. >> MRS. HEDGES HAVE WE SATISFIED

THAT. >> RIGHT. >> SO I'M BRINGING IT BACK TO

THE COMMISSION. WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION? >> I THINK WE HAVE DEALT WITH

THE MATTER AT HAND CORRECT? >> YES. >> WHAT THE CITY OFFERED MY MOTION THAT WAS STILL A QUESTION. WE RESOLVED THAT IN THIS DISCUSSION.

>> MADAME MAYOR. >> MRS. HEDGES. >> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY I DON'T THINK THAT RESOLVED THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE. IF YOU DO WISH FOR IT TO INCLUDE THE 5% RANGE INCREASE THE THINK A SECOND MOTION WOULD BE CLEAR SO WE'RE CLEAR AND THE RECORD IS CLEAR.

>> THAT IS MY MOTION. >> MAKING THAT MOTION? >> YES.

>> OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? IS THERE A SECOND. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> SECOND IT WITH A QUESTION. >> I DON'T KNOW CAN I GET THE MOTION AGAIN?

>> I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION TO BE THAT THE PAY RANGES ALSO INCREASE BY 5%.

>> I BELIEVE THAT FOR THE FIRST MOTION. >> I BELIEVE THAT FOR THE FIRST

MOTION UPWARDS OF 5%. >> I DO NOT BELIEVE THE FIRST MOTION DID THAT.

SPEAKERS]. >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION SO WE CAN GET DISCUSSION.

>> NOW WE CAN -- YOU HAVE THE QUESTIONS. >> ALL WE'RE SAYING IS THE RANGE IS GOING TO INCREASE BY 5% THAT IS NATURAL WE HAVE DONE ALREADY. WE NEED A SECOND MOTION I'M GOOD

WITH IT. >> MY MOTION IS THE CITY'S PROPOSAL IF THE CITY CAN ANSWER THAT IT'S ON THE SHEET HERE IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW SO IT ENCOMPASSES THAT. I WAS GOING

WITH WHAT THE CITY'S PROPOSAL WAS. >> THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING COMMISSIONER I DON'T KNOW THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS EXACTLY THAT PRECISE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THAT COMPLICATED WE WITH THE BARGAINING TEAM GOING FORWARD WHAT YOU BUDGETED ON TODAY IS 5% WHATEVER IS GREATER RETROACTIVE TO OCTOBER 1ST WE WILL INCLUDE IN PROPOSAL THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION SINCE WE WORK AT THE DIRECTION 5% INCREASE TO PAY SCALES YOU CAN

RATIFY OR NOT RATIFY WHEN IT COMES BEFORE YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS MOTION RIGHT NOW. SO, IT MIGHT BE TKAOUB INDICATING IT'S CLARIFYING MRS. HEDGES WANTINGS TO MAKE SURE WE DO THIS RIGHT. OKAY? YOU GOT A MOTION AND A

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SECOND PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> BRODERICK. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> NO MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> YES.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES THANK YOU IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? WE ARE ADJOURNED, WE WILL BE LEAVING CHAMBERS TURNING OUT THE LIGHTS THANK YOU GENTLEMEN AND LADIES FOR COMING AND BEING PART OF THIS

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