[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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SPEWING THE CALL TO ORDER, PLAN BOARD MEETING APRIL 13TH 2026, ALMOST SAID AUGUST, IF YOU WOULD STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND
JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THE CHAIR: THANK YOU.
A FRIENDLY REMINDER, PLEASE SILENCE ALL WIRELESS DEVICES.
WE WILL BEGIN. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
IT'S BECOME A STORY? >> MISS CLEMENS? MR. EDWARDS? MR. JOHNSON?
[4. CONSIDERATION OF ABSENCES]
MEMBER IS NOT HERE TODAY. >> THERE IS A REASONABLE EXCUSE
FOR NOT ATTENDING TODAY. >> THE CHAIR: WE WILL HAVE TO
[a. Minutes from the February 9, 2026, meeting]
HAVE OUR INTRODUCTIONS OFFICIALLY NEXT MONTH.ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM 5, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 9TH 2026 MEETING. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NINE, I WOULD ENTERTAIN TO MOTION.
>> I MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES?
>> SECOND. >> THE CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION APPROVED BY MS. CLEMENS. THE SECOND, YOU HAVE TO BE FAST.
[a. PD2025-00002 Final Planned Development Pulte-Cornerstone 2721 S. Jenkins Road]
>> THE CHAIR: LET'S MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS, ITEM, LE 6A.
>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, MY NAME IS GILMORE, HERE FOR THE PEER'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PULTE-CORNERSTONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONE LOCATED AT 2721 JENKINS ROAD. PD2025-00002.
THE APPLICANT LESLIE OLSON OF DISTRICT PLANNING GROUP, OWNER CASSIE MCQUEEN LLC, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING IMPROVEMENT OF THE PULTE-CORNERSTONE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THE APPLICATION PROPOSES A 239 UNIT FEE SAMPLE SINGLE RESIDENTIAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WITH A RANGE OF HOME SIZES AND DESIGNS, AMENITIES SUCH AS A PARK CONNECTING THE RECREATION TO A POCKET PARK FOR THE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD FROM 95. THE HISTORY ON NOVEMBER TENTH, 2025, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PULTE-CORNERSTONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONE, ON FEBRUARY 2ND 2026, APPROVING THE MASTER PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PULTE-CORNERSTONE ZONE WITH 14 CONDITIONS AS WELL.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 49.92 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS, AND IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH JENKINS ROAD. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS CURRENTLY RN, OF RESIDENTIAL WITH THE ZONING OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT, BEFORE YOU IS THE FINAL SITE PLAN WHICH SHOWS THE 289 UNITS, BEFORE YOU AS AN ILLUSTRATED SITE PLAN, THAT YOU SEE PREVIOUSLY AS WELL DURING THE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS SITE DATA OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WITH THE TYPES, LOT TYPE A, AND LOT TYPE B, 154 UNITS.
WITH A GROSS DENSITY OF 4.79 PER ACRE.
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HERE IS SOME CALCULATION SUCH AS OPEN SPACE ON THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED APPROXIMATELY 20% -- 28% OPEN SPACE, I'M SORRY, OVER THE MINIMAL REQUIREMENTS OF 20 PERCENT WITH THE IMPERVIOUS AREA THAT WOULD BE 39 PERCENT IN PERVIOUS 10.THIS IS THE FINAL PHASING PLAN AND BUS ROUTE WHICH WAS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING BOARD ON NOVEMBER 10TH, 2025, AND PRESENTED TO THE CITY COMM COMMISSION.
THE BENEFITS TO THE PARK CREATES THE STORM FACILITIES BY LOOKING AT BIO SPELLS AND RAIN GARDEN SWITCH TO MEANDERING ONE-THIRD MILE LONG WALKING PATH WITH RESTING STOPS OR NATURALIZED IN LAKE VISTAS AND OUT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PARTY THROUGH THE PARK WITH A POCKET PARK WHERE THE INSTALLATION AS PROPOSED, THE ART INSTALLATION WILL BE VIEWED TO THE TRAVELING PUBLIC ON I-95 AND IS INTENDED TO CREATE A BEAUTIFUL SENSE OF CITY IN FORT PIERCE. WITH A NETWORK STREETS DESIGNED TO ELIMINATE LOTS ADJACENT TO I-95.
THE GREATEST PEAK DIRECTION ANTICIPATED WITH THE PROJECT IS 1:47 P.M. ENTRY TRIPS BASED ON THE ORDINANCE SECTION TEN SIDE GOING BACK -- AND CONSIDERS THE PROJECT TO BE SOME TYPICAL ROAD TRACKS, ROADWAY TRACKS FOR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 40-FOOT TYPICAL RAILROAD TRACK, 70-FOOT RAILROAD TRACK, 60 SECONDARY ENTRANCE RAILROAD TRACK AND A 40-FOOT ENTRANCE RAILROAD TRACK. THERE IS A SECTION DISTANT RENDERING WHICH SHOWS YOU A LOT TYPE B, THE DISTANCE OF THE LINEAR PARK AND LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO THE PROPOSED TRAIL, THE PROPOSED WALL, THE PRIMARY LANDSCAPING AND THEN THE I-95 INTERSTATE. OKAY, BEFORE HE WAS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN. IT INCLUDES TREE-LINED STREETS, THE LANDSCAPE DATA DID INCLUDE 59 TREES PROVIDED AND THE WEST AND EAST PERIMETER BUFFER IS 36 TREES IN THE NORTH AND WEST PERIMETER BUFFER ON THE SOUTH BUFFER 50 TREES, AND TREES ALONG INTERNAL ROADWAYS 310 TREES. TREE MITIGATION DATA IS A TOTAL OF 1088.5 INCHES TO RESCHEDULE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SILVER, BISMARK PALM, SHADY LAKE OLIVE, BRAZILIAN BEAUTY LEAF, PIGEON PLUMS, GREEN BUTTONWOOD, SILVER BUTTONWOOD'S, CREPE MYRTLE'S/PINES AND OTHER PALMS. THIS IS A DESIGN REVIEW COLOR BOARD, THERE IS 1 OF 4 FLORIDA MEDITERRANEAN COLOR SCHEMES AS THIS IS THE FIRST ONE.
THE SECOND COLOR BOARD THE THIRD COLOR BOARD WITH COASTAL EXTERIOR COLOR SCHEMES. AND THIS IS THE FOURTH COLOR BOARD WITH COASTAL EXTERIOR COLOR SCHEMES.
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THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT LOOKS AT THESE FLORIDA HOMES IN A VARIETY OF SINGLE AND TWO-STORY OPTIONS THAT WOULD CREATE A VERY ESCAPE.THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE PROPOSED AMENITY CENTER AND THE ADJACENT TO IT IS TO PROPOSE THE FLOOR PLAN, THE APPLICANT IS SUPPLYING A JANUARY SUPPLY FOR THE AMENITY CENTER THAT INCLUDES THE WOMEN'S RESTROOM, MEN'S RESTROOM, HURRICANE READY ROOM, AND A COVERED AREA. THIS IS THE PROPOSED IDENTITY FEATURE WHICH WILL BE VISIBLE FROM I-95, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THESE TWO RENDERINGS. SO NOW I WILL SHOW YOU THE RENDERINGS OF OTHER PROPOSED MODELS, THIS IS THE SINGLE-STORY HOME MODEL OPTION 1 AN OPTION TWO.
THE CANDLEWOOD SINGLE-STORY MODELS OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO. THE MODELING TWO STORY MODELS OPTION 1 AN OPTION 2. THE TWO-STORY HOME MODELS OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO? THE PINECREST MODELS OPTION ONE AND OPTION 2. AND THE TWO-STORY HOME MODELS OPTION ONE AND OPTION 2. I RAN A REPORT, THE SUBJECT SITE IS COMPRISED ON DISTURBED LANDS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY IMPROVED OF AGRICULTURAL USE AND ARE NOW DOMINATED BY NON-NATIVE INVASIVE SCATTERED AND NATIVE TREES INCLUDING LAUREL OAKS, CABBAGE PALMS, AND WAX MYRTLE, OBSERVATIONS CONDUCTED IN JUNE AND JULY OF 2020 CONFIRM THE PROPERTY DOES NOT MAINTAIN ANY HABITAT THERE IS ALSO AN AREA THAT CONTAINS WETLAND CHARACTERISTICS AND MAY UPON REVIEW BY THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BE CONSIDERED A WETLAND, AS THIS WAS CONDUCTED IN JUNE AND JULY 2024 INCLUDE A VARIETY OF COMMON AVIAN SPECIES PRESENCE WITHIN THE PROPERTY INCLUDING MOURNING DOVE, AMERICAN CROW, THE BOAT TAIL GRACKLE, THE NORTHERN MOCKINGBIRD, AND REPTILE SPECIES OBSERVED WITH A BLACK RAZOR SNAKE, INDICATORS OF THE OCCURRENCE OF MAMMALS, SKETCH TRACKS OR OTHER INDICATORS INCLUDE A RACCOON, ARMADILLO, COYOTE, FERAL HOG, AND RODENTS ALL AVIAN SPECIES PRESENT ARE PROTECTED HABITATS ON SITE.
STORM DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS INDICATED THAT TO THE PROJECT SITE AND FULLY ACCOMMODATES THE REQUIRED WATER QUALITY TREATMENT VALUE IN THE 5-YEAR ONE DAY STORM EVENT ON SITE, THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY INCLUDING THE BUILDINGS, ROADWAYS, ROADS, DRIVEWAYS, SIDEWALKS, AND RECREATIONAL AMENITIES WITH THE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WITH COHORTS THAT WILL DIRECT STORMWATER RUNOFF RUNOFF INTO THE PROPOSED RETENTION SYSTEMS. THESE SYSTEMS WILL PROVIDE WATER QUALITY, TREATMENT, AND STORMWATER ATTENUATION PRIOR TO DISCHARGING IN NORTH ST. LUCY WATER CONTROL DISTRICT. NOW NUMBER 39 THROUGH A CONTROL STRUCTURE DISCHARGE, THE PROPOSED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IN ORDER TO ST. LUCY IN FORT PIERCE. APRIL STORMWATER ANALYSIS HAS BEEN COMPLETED. ALL AFFECTED DEPARTMENTS HAVE THE PROPOSED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONE DISTRICT WITH REGARDS TO CONSISTENCY WITH ESTABLISHED ORDINANCES AND REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL INCLUDE A
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FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND SHALL REFORM TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES WITH THE ALTERED STANDARDS THROUGH THE AGREEMENT TO A SURVEY COMPLETED WITHIN 90 DAYS AND LAND CLEARING, THREE AFTER THE APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PD SITE PLAN FOR THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE PLAN AND STATEMENTS SUBMITTED AT THE TIME OF THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN SHALL BE IN UNIFIED CONTROL AND OWNERSHIP ALL LAND INTENDED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE UNDER THE LEGAL CONTROL OF THE APPLICANT. PRIVATE PROPERTY MAY NOT BE SIMPLIFIED AGAINST THE FAMILY LOTS UNLESS THE APPLICANT OBTAINS A SUBDIVISION PLAN APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS, SIX PRIOR TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SHOW SHALL OBTAIN A PLAN STUDY TO OBTAIN THE NOISE FROM THE OFF-RAMP SEEING THE NOISE OF THE MAIN CRITERIA FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, WHICH IS 66 DD A, AT 18/1 OF HIGHWAY NOISE, TRAFFIC NOISE, FROM THE PDE MANUAL AND WILL DELIVER THAT COPY TO THE CITY.IF THE FOREGOING DIAGNOSIS CRITERIA MEANT HAS EXCEEDED THE LOCATION FOR ANY OTHER PROPOSED HOMES HOMES WITHIN THE DEVELOPER SHALL COMMIT TO IMPLEMENT NOISE REDUCTION MEASURES FOR SUCH HOMES CALCULATED WITH THE HUD INTERIOR NOISE AND 24 CFR, SUBPART 2B, 51.101A9 AND AN EXAMPLE NOT TO EXCEED DAYS/NIGHT AVERAGE SOUND OF 45 DDA, SUCH NOISE REDUCTION MEASURES MAY INCLUDE THE MEASURES SET FORTH IN THE F DOT PDA, TO SLASH 18, WITH THE REBUILDING NOISE REDUCTION FACTORS IN THE CITY WILL ACCEPT THE CALCULATIONS OF NOISE REDUCTION ASSET FOURTH AND FIGURE 18 -- 3 PRIOR TO APPROVAL, THE CITY WILL RENEW THE SOUND STUDY AND LOOK AT THE NOISE REDUCTION MEASURES IF THEY ARE REQUIRED TO CONFORM TO THE CONDITION, AND ONCE THE CONDITION HAS BEEN SATISFIED. CONTINUED ATTACHED IS THE MANUAL CHAPTER 18 PART 2, HIGHWAY TRAFFIC NOISE FROM FIGURE 18/AREA AS YOU CAN SEE, AND FROM FIGURE 18 -- THREE, BUILDING NOISE REDUCTION FACTORS, AS IT IS LISTED AS YOU CAN SEE.
AND ATTACHED IS THE 24 CFR PART 51 SUBPART B NOISE CONTROL FROM 24 CFR 51 DOT 1189 NOISE GOALS. IN CONDITION 7, THE PROJECT SITE IS PARTY TO AN EXCESS OF WHAT HAS BEEN RECORDED IN FAVOR OF THE OWNER OF THE 1.51-ACRE PARCEL LOCATED AT 27 -- 2627 SOUTH JENKINS ROAD, ADJACENT TO THE NORTH AT THE FINAL TIME OF THE APPLICATION FOR ANY PHASE CONTEMPLATED UNDER THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICATION PROVIDE STAFF WITH A COPY OF THE RECORDED EASEMENT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE ADJACENT OWNER FOR THEIR MUTUAL BENEFIT PRESERVED IN THE ADJACENT OWNER RIGHT OF ACCESS TO THE PLANNED SITE.
AS YOU SEE, YOU HAVE SEEN SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS IN THE PREVIOUS MASTER SITE PLAN, THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED SOME OF THOSE AND THESE ARE THE REMAINING FOR THE FINAL PD.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE STAFF MMN FINAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE SEVEN CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 125/1:30 SIX OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT ADVERSE TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND GENERAL WELFARE, WITH THE ACTIONS OF PLANNING BOARD, WITH THE APPROVED PROPOSAL WITH THE ASSOCIATED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH AN ALTERNATIVE CONDITIONS OR RECOMMENDED NOW OF THE PROPOSED FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ASSOCIATED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THANK YOU.
>> IF I COULD ADD TO, CAN YOU GO THROUGH TO REVERSE TO YOUR PROJECT BENEFIT SLIDE, PLEASE? NUMBER TWO STATES THAT THE
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SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY ON THE LINEAR PARK LIES A POCKET PARK WHERE IT IS SCULPTURAL INSTALLATION IS PROPOSED.AND THIS WAS DISCUSSED RIGHT AWAY THROUGH THE PROJECT WITH THE APPLICANT, THE ART INSTALLATION WOULD BE VISIBLE TO THE TRAVELING PUBLIC ON I-95 AND IS INTENDED TO CREATE A BEAUTIFUL AND UNIQUE SENSE OF ARRIVAL IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, NOW CAN YOU MOVE FORWARD TO THE ACTUAL RENDERING OF THAT ART? SO FROM -- THIS IS THE PLANNING BOARD TO REALLY LOOK AT HERE, THIS IN MY OPINION IS NOT ART, IT IS A PROJECT IDENTIFICATION MONUMENT, AND WHEN WE TAKE THIS TO THE CITY COMMISSION, I DON'T THINK STAFF WILL BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS FEATURE AS DESCRIBED. IT DOES NOT MEET THE INTENT OF THE PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT WERE SET TO CREATE IDENTIFICATION PIECE IN A SENSE OF ART THAT MAY BE FROM WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS AN IDENTITY FEATURE THAT MAY -- COULD BE REPLICATED THROUGH THE PROJECTS WHEN A GATEWAY SITUATIONS WITHIN THE CITY, SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS WHAT THE CITY COMMISSION WERE EXPECTING, THEY WANTED TO BE INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN OF THIS, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE SEEN THAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS THE BOARD
CONSIDER THIS APPLICATION. >> THE CHAIR: I TAKE IT THERE IS NO OBJECTION TO THE SPECIFIC LOCATION?
>> NO, I THINK THE ISSUE IS THE DESIGN AND CONCEPT OF THE ART, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ARTS, WE ARE NOT NORMALLY TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT IDENTIFICATION. MONUMENT OR SIGN.
>> THE CHAIR: WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION FOR FURTHER CREATIVE EXPLORATION OF THE FINAL
PRODUCT? >> THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO MOVE
THIS FORWARD, YES. >> THE CHAIR: WE WILL WORK ON THE LANGUAGE OF THAT AS WE GO. I SHARE YOUR SENTIMENT.
THERE ARE ARTISTIC ELEMENTS OF IT, BUT -- AND I APPRECIATE THE CITY BRANDING, I THINK THAT WE ARE -- I DON'T THINK WE ARE EXACTLY NAILING IT WHAT THE COMMISSION
HAD IN MIND. >> THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN IF IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION LIKE THIS WOULD NOT
BE RENDERED ACCEPTABLE. >> THE CHAIR: PERHAPS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PREPARE SOME EXAMPLES WHERE THE APPLICANT TO KIND OF STEER THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION SO THEY ARE NOT --
>> WE HAVE COME A CHAIR, WE HAVE FORWARDED A NUMBER OF CONCEPTS WHICH ARE USED IN OTHER LOCATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY TO START TO SET UP AN IDENTIFICATION FOR THE CITY OF THESE CHARACTER AND ITS HISTORY OR SOMETHING GOING ON WITH THAT.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS ACHIEVING THAT.
I'M GOING TO PROCEED WITH A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
SO, MR. GILMORE, YOU TOUCH ON THIS.
READING THROUGH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE SET UP BY THE COMMISSION IN THE FEBRUARY MEETING, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT ALL OF THE CONDITIONS THAT CAN BE MET AT THIS PHASE OF THE PROJECT HAVE BEEN BASED ON MY REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, THE REMAINING 7 AND NOW EIGHTS CONDITIONS WOULD BE JUST ANY REMAINING BOARD AT THAT WOULD BE DONE AT A LATER PHASE IN THE
DEVELOPMENT PLAN ANYWAY. >> CORRECT.
>> THE CHAIR: IN REVIEWING THE TRC COMMENTS, I THINK THAT THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE COMMENTS REGARDING THE SIDEWALKS AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, HAVE THOSE COMMENTS -- AND I SAW THE COMMENTS WERE RESPONDED BY THE APPLICANT AS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT
SATISFIED WITH THOSE RESPONSES? >> YES.
YES. >> THE CHAIR: AND MY OTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF WAS IN REGARDS TO THE COMMENT ABOUT THEIR HURRICANE HER TINTED BUILDING, WHICH THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO UTILIZE THE COULD BE A NIGHT IN THE POOL, THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE OR THE REQUIREMENTS THAT JUST INDICATES
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A BUILDING OF APPROPRIATE SIZE. IT DOES NOT GIVE OCCUPANCY OR DIMENSIONS, IS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SATISFIED WITH THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING THAT THEY ARE UTILIZING FOR THIS PURPOSE?>> YES, BECAUSE AT THE TIME THAT WE REALIZE THAT THERE WAS EVEN IN THE CALM PLAN, BECAUSE IT WAS HITTING IN THEIR GOODS UNDER THE -- I FORGET WHAT SECTION, IT DOES NOT EVEN REALLY CORRELATE. BECAUSE IT DOES NOT STATE A SPECIFIC SIZE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT THIS ONE
FOR NOW. >> THE CHAIR: THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A BUILDING HOUSING PEOPLE, JUST A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN RECHARGE CELL PHONES AND IS CONNECTED TO A GENERATOR.
>> WE ALSO TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THAT ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED ON SITE ARE BUILT TO THE LATEST BUILDING CODE STANDARDS, SO IT'S LIKELY THAT HE WOULD NEED TO BE AN EXTREMIST STORM EVENT TO TAKE THOSE BUILDINGS OUT AND IN THE SAME STORM EVENTS, WOULD PROBABLY ALSO BE TAKEN OUT.
>> THE CHAIR: ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? LET ME GO BACK TO WHAT KEVIN BROUGHT UP, IS IT YOUR SUGGESTION BACK TO THIS BOARD THAT'S MAYBE WE ADD AN EIGHTH CONDITION TALKING ABOUT THE LOCATION AND THE INCORPORATION OF LOCATION AS WELL IS WHAT THE MAKEUP OF THE SINUS?
>> THE INTENT OF STAFF IS TO GET HAVE ESTABLISHED A LOCATION, WE JUST NEED SOME INPUT ON THE WHAT THE COMMISSION AND WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD WILL WANT TO SEE THERE.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO THROUGHOUT THIS CD IS LOOK AT MAJOR ROUTES INTO THE CITY AND OUT OF THE CITY, AND CREATE AN IDENTITY AND IF I CAN USE THE EXAMPLE OF TRADITION, YOU KNOW YOU ARE IN OR AROUND TRADITION BECAUSE THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF SIGNS OR ASSIGNS, BUT IDENTIFICATION FEATURES THAT YOU
CAN SEE FROM 95. >> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT COORDINATION OF BRANDING AS IT WERE A QUESTION MARK.
>> BRANDING, YES, THAT'S THE CORRECT WORD FOR IT.
>> I HAD A QUESTION. I DO QUESTION ABOUT THE SHARED SPACE. IS THAT THE ONLY COMMUNAL SPACE WHERE THAT POOL IS THAT HAS THE RESTROOMS IN THE COVERING?
>> NO, THERE IS THE PARK? >> IN THE AREA BY THE POOL,
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE BY THE POOL? >> THERE IS A LITTLE PARK AREA
ALSO IN THE FRONT. >> IF YOU GO TO THE MAP AND CLICK CONTROL ONE PLUS. THERE IS A PLAYGROUND AREA.
>> DOES SEEM SMALL, WHEN I FIRST THOUGHT THIS WAS A VERY SMALL COMMUNAL SPACE FOR ALL THESE RESIDENTS THAT WILL LIVE THERE, IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT WE CAN -- AND SENSE, AND LARGE IT AS FAR AS THE GENERAL WELL-BEING OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE IN THE FUTURE.
>> WHERE THEY DO HAVE THE LINEAR PARK WHICH IS LIKE ONE-THIRD OF -- TO THE NORTH, THIS ALL THE WAY
ALONG THE PROPERTY -- >> BUT THAT IS THE ONLY COMMUNAL
BUILDING. >> FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS.
THERE IS NO COMMUNITY CENTER -- >> NO COMMUNITY CENTER.
>> MY SECOND COMMENT WAS ABOUT THE TORTOISE SURVEY, MY THAT THT SURVEY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BEFORE LAND CLEARING, BUT THIS IS 90 DAYS AFTER LAND CLEARING, AND WHAT IS THE CORRECT RULE, IT
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IS A BEFORE THE LAND WAS CLEARED?>> YES. >> BUT IT SAYS 90 DAYS AFTER THE LAND IS CLEARED. AM I MISUNDERSTANDING THE WORDING HERE? YOU'RE SAYING AFTER THE LAND IS CLEARED, THEN THERE WILL BE A TORTOISE SURVEY, AND I
MISUNDERSTANDING THAT? >> IT SHOULD SAY BEFORE.
>> THE SURVEY SHALL BE CARRIED OUT PRIOR TO THE LAND CLEARING.
OR WITHIN 90 DAYS OF LAND CLEARING, PRIOR TO.
>> IT IS THE WORDING THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
>> YES. >> ARE WE GOING TO OFFICIALLY EDIT THAT CONDITION? THAT IS CONDITION 2.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FOR THE BOARD BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT?
>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION BACK TO THE SIGNAGE, AND I GUESS THIS WAS MORE DIRECTED, FOR ME WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT JUST THE OVERALL HEIGHT. IT LOOKS SMALL BASED ON THE RENDERING, THERE IS NO ACTUAL MEASUREMENTS, THAT DOES NOT SIGNIFY -- IF I'M COMING FROM 95, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE LARGE ENOUGH FOR ME TO SEE, HEY, LOOK OVER HERE. IT'S NOT EVEN HIGH AS HE WOULD SEE A BILLBOARD ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
>> THAT IS ONE OF OUR CONCERNS IS THE VISUAL NATURE OF IT AND STEP VISUAL NATURE BEING RECOGNIZED AS A ENTRY POINT.
>> WHAT DOES STAFF HAVE IN MIND? AS FAR AS WHAT IT SHOULD BE?
>> I THINK WE ARE LOOKING MORE FOR A TOWER TYPE INSTALLATION WITH WHATEVER THE FORT PIERCE THEME IS, SOMETHING THAT IS -- CAN BE RECOGNIZED BEFORE PEOPLE GET TO THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THAT SORT OF IDENTITY, SO AN OPPORTUNITY TO SET AN IDENTITY FOR THE TOWER LIKE FUTURE THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AS WE PROCESS THEM AROUND TOWN IF THEY ARE CLOSER TO THE ENTRANCE POINTS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN UNDER OF AREAS THAT COME INTO THE TOWN THAT ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN THIS CHALLENGE IS TO CREATE A GATEWAY FUTURE, SO WE CREATE IDENTITIES FOR FORT PIERCE, THOSE COULD BE DIFFERENT -- THOSE COULD REFLECT HISTORY, THOSE COULD REFLECT INDUSTRY, COMMERCE, OR WHATEVER IT IS IN CERTAIN AREAS.
SO TO GIVE THE TRUE NATURE OF FORT PIERCE, WE ARE THIS, MAJORLY DIVERSE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE MANY DIFFERENT USES, ACTIVITIES, INDUSTRIES AROUND, AND THIS CONCEPT OF THAT SHOULD BE ONE THAT IS FLEXIBLE TO DEAL WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT PARTS AND I THINK WE HAVE VERY LITTLE APART FROM THE TWO BIG TOWERS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE ON THEIR WAY AND TO THE AREA AND THAT SUPPORTS, PEOPLE CAN SEE THE BRIDGES, THE PORT, THE NUCLEAR POWER PLANT. IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO BE SEEN
AS? >> SO WHAT DO YOU WANT THE MECHANISM TO BE FOR PROCEEDING FORWARD WITH THIS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I DON'T WANT THIS -- THIS IS IMPORTANT, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT THIS TO UNNECESSARILY DERAIL THE PROCESS FOR THE
APPLICANT. >> SO AS THEY SCHEDULE OUT THE CONDITION HERE, DO WE WANT TO RESERVE FINAL APPROVAL OF THE MONUMENT SIGNED BY THE CITY COMMISSION DIRECTLY? DOESN'T NEED NEED TO COME BACK HERE FIRST? HOW DO YOU ENVISION THAT GOING FORWARD?
>> THOSE PARAMETERS, WHERE DOESN'T NEED TO GO TO GET APPROVAL? I THINK WE WILL ALLOW THE PLANE BOARD TO SET THOSE. SO IF IT WANTS TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEN CITY COMMISSION, CITY COMMISSION MAY
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WELCOME A DISCUSSION OF PLANNING BOARD REGARDING THAT DESIGN.BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS ASKED STAFF, YOU KNOW, WHAT DID THE PLANNING BOARD SAY ABOUT THIS? SO THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD MOVE TO DO THAT. BUT ULTIMATELY, I THINK THAT IT IS A SEPARATE APPROVAL AT SOME POINT AND WHERE THAT POINT HAPPENS THIS MAY BE PRIOR TO FINAL CO OF PHASE 1 OR WHATEVER
IT IS. >> THE CHAIR: WHAT PHASE IS A MONUMENT SIGN INTENDED? PHASE ONE? AND WOULD THAT BE SUBMITTED AS A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT?
OR? >> WE JUST HAVE IT AS A DETAIL, ASSUMING IN PHASE 1. YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITION NUMBER WHATEVER IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN AND WE WOULD PROCESS THAT WITH THE PROVISION THAT IT COMES BACK TO PLANNING BOARD AND CITY COMMISSION APPROVAL.
>> IS IT A BOARD WITH A TIMELINE OF THE DESIGN APPROVAL BEFORE THE CEO OF PHASE 1. OKAY.
WHAT I HAVE IS APPLICANTS SHALL LOOK AT APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND CITY COMMISSION WITH CONDITION 8.
ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE FOR DISCUSSION?
>> I HAD MORE THING, JUST ABOUT THE CLEARCUTTING OF THE LANDS, WHERE THEY WERE A NUMBER OF NATIVE PLANTS AND TREES THAT WERE MENTIONED ON SITE, ARE THOSE MEANT TO BE RETAINED?
>> THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE MITIGATION PLAN, SO THE CITY DOES ALLOW YOU TO REMOVE TREES BUT YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THEM.
AND THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> ARE WE ABLE TO RETAIN SOME OF INHIBIT THE MOVEMENT FORWARD OF THE PLANS OR SOME ANGLE TO BE RETAINED WITH A MINIMUM AMOUNT AT ALL? BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE A LOT OF
HABITATS FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT. >> SO, CHAIR, IF I MAY, WHAT WE USUALLY FIND AND ARE FINDING IS THAT EXISTING LEVELS OF PROPERTY ARE BELOW WHAT IS REQUIRED WHEN THE DEVELOPMENTS COME IN TO THE ACCEPTABLE LEVEL FORWARD PLANE, SO UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY SPECIFICALLY IF IT HAS BEEN USED FOR AGRICULTURE IN THE PAST IS AT A LEVEL WHICH IS REQUIRING SOME FILLER OR ACTION TO TAKE PLACE AND I CAN LET THE APPLICANT CONFIRMED THIS OR NOT, BUT WHAT WE FIND IS THAT THERE IS NO OPTION TO RETAIN TREES, BECAUSE IF THEY GO AND IT'S ONE
OR 2 FEET OF TREES. >> I KNOW THAT AT SOME WE HAVE
ACHIEVED IT. >> IT IS ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH THE INITIAL SITE PLAN IS CAN WE SAVE ANY OF THESE TREES? IS THAT A PRIORITY?
>> THANK YOU. >> IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME I WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME
FORWARD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN AT KREISL, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, MY NAME IS LESLIE OLSON WITH DISTRICT PLANNING GROUP THE APPLICANT PULTE-CORNERSTONE.
WOULD YOU MIND CALLING UP? NOPE! NO. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. I WILL SKIM OVER THE HIGH POINTS, BECAUSE STAFF DID A GREAT JOB LAYING OUT ALL THE BASICS, BUT WE ARE LOCATED REALLY CLOSE TO THE ACCESS POINTS FOR POINTS FOR I-95 AND THE TURNPIKE, WE ARE CLOSE TO COMMERCIAL GOODS AND SERVICES, EXISTING AND FUTURE JOBS HUBS.
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SORRY. WHICH MAKES THIS AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW COMMUNITIES, SO WHETHER YOU ARE WORKING HERE IN FORT PIERCE OR YOU ARE WORKING SAY AND SOUTH FLORIDA ANYMORE COMMUTING, THIS CREATES AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY. WE ARE ALIGNED TO THE EAST WITH INDEPENDENCE CLASSICAL ACADEMY WE ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF GAINS ELEMENTARY AND HAVE CHURCHES NEARBY AS WELL, SO WE HAVE GOODS AND SERVICES AND ACCESS TO THE STATE CENTER SYSTEM, AND ALSO CIVIC AND CHURCH USES AS WELL.SO IT IS A GREAT LOCATION. WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AND WHERE WE ARE, SO THIS BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO NOW.
DECEMBER 2024. THE CITY COMMISSION ADOPTED THAT FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT ON FEBRUARY 2ND 2026, WE WERE REZONED THROUGH THE MASTER PD PROCESS WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON NOVEMBED IT ON FEBRUARY 2ND 2026.
TODAY WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS THE FINAL REGULATORY STEP, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION WILL ADVANCE TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THE CITY COMMISSION. SO WE HAVE LOWER DENSITY AND TRAFFIC THAN WHAT WAS TAKEN PREVIOUSLY, THE RM FUTURE LAND USE WHICH WE NOW OPERATE UNDER ALLOWS FOR UP TO 12 UNITS PER ANCHOR WITH 4.79 UNITS PER THIS GENERATES 88% LESS TRAFFIC THAN THE PRIOR FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
SO MUCH LESS IMPACT ON JENKINS WHICH IS STRANGE.
IT IS WALKABLE, IT IS GREEN, AND IT IS CONNECTED.
THAT THREE AND A HALF ACRE LINEAR PARK WITH THE ONE-THIRD MILE WALKING TRAIL HAS POCKET PARKS OVERLOOKING THE LAKE'S, SO WE HAVE LIKE THIS DOES TRAILS, PLACES TO SIT, MEET UP WITH NEIGHBORS, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT -- WE WILL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
WE HAVE THE POOL, THE CABANA, AND THE PLAYGROUND, WHICH IS A START AND END POINT OF THE TRAIL BUT OTHER ACCESS POINTS AT THAT POINT. THAT CUSTOM IDENTITY FUTURE, WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT SOME MORE, VISIBLE FROM I-95.
THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE NOISE IMPACTS, AND YOU GUYS PROBABLY REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION FROM BEFORE WITH OUR DESIGNER REALLY LOOKED HARD TO LAY THIS OUT SO THAT THE SIZE OF THE HOMES FACED I-95 WHICH HAD THE LEAST NUMBER OF WINDOWS AND DOORS ALL NIGHT. SO THE LEAST IMPACT FROM ANY NOISE FROM I-95. HE AND THE TREE-LINED STREET NETWORK. OUR GOAL IS TO DELIVER ATTAINABLE HOUSING IN ONE OF THE MOST STRATEGIC LOCATIONS.
AND AGAIN, HERE'S THAT RENDERED PLAN.
AND HE WILL SEE THERE IS NO PROVISION.
THERE IS NO UTILIZATION OF YOUR BASIC STORMWATER DRIVER ATTENTION WHERE YOU JUST GET A GRASSY DITCH ESSENTIALLY.
EVERY SINGLE STORMWATER AMENITY IS A REAL AMENITY.
SO EACH ONE OF THOSE AREAS WILL BE LANDSCAPED AND CREATING HABITAT FOR OUR NATURAL ECOSYSTEM.
IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT CALLS FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS GO ABOVE AND BEYOND IN EXCHANGE FOR THE FLEXIBILITY INHERENT THAT IS ADOPTED AT THE MASTER-PLANNED, AT THE MASTER-PLANNED PORTION, SO YOU GET TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ADOPTED AT MASTER PLAN, AND APPLY THE STANDARDS NOW AT FINAL. SO SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT TO THE CODE CALLS FOR, THOSE ARE IN BOLD AND HOW WE HAVE RESPONDED
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TO THOSE WITH THE SITE PLAN ARE CALLED OUT ON THIS PAGE, RESILIENT LIVING AND WORKING, CLOSE TO I-95, THE TURNPIKE JOB SCHOOLS, GOODS, SERVICES, IMAGINATIVE COMMUNITY PLANNING, THAT IDENTITY FUTURE AT I-95 IS INTENDED TO DO THAT, THE STORMWATER INNOVATION AS I'VE MENTIONED THE RAIN GARDENS, THE BIO SWALES, STORMWATER CLEANING, CREATION OF HABITATS, AND PROVIDING A WELCOMING AESTHETIC TO THE COMMUNITY.PROPERTY DESIGN AT EXCELLENCE IS THAT GREAT STREET THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE AROUND YOU WHAT YOU HAVE TO MITIGATE FOR, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT SCHOOL BUS STOP RIGHT AND PUTTING THE PLAYGROUND, WE LOCATED THE SCHOOL BUS STOP DURING THE PLAYGROUND AND A MALE KIOSK, NEAR PARKING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS COMBINED HELP PEOPLE SPEND MORE TIME TOGETHER WITH THEIR KIDS AND WITH EACH OTHER. NATURAL FEATURES IN SCENIC AREAS AS I MENTIONED, INCLUDING STREET TREES EVERY 50 FEET ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, EFFICIENT LAND USE, AGAIN, TRYING TO LOCATE ALL OF THESE COMPLEMENTARY SERVICES NEAR EACH OTHER, HOUSING, JOBS, GOODS AND SERVICES, CIVIC USES, IMPROVED AMENITY AS OF 3.5 LINEAR WALKING TRAIL, LAKE VISTAS, POOL WITH CABANA, POCKET PARKS, INNOVATIVE PICNIC AREAS, ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC BENEFIT, WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH BOTH AVALON CROSSINGS TO THE EAST AND THE WEST OF THE SOUTH AND THEN BUILDS ON THIS AREA'S RESIDENTIAL MOMENTUM CLOSE TO THE STATE CENTER A MODAL SYSTEM AND CONSISTENT WITH ADJACENT USES.
WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL ACCESS ROAD THAT WE WILL BUILD FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH ENTRANCE IS ALIGNED WITH INDEPENDENTS CLASSICAL ACADEMY.
YOU KNOW AS WE GO THROUGH WHERE THE BENEFITS, AND WILL BE SHOWN ON THE SLIDE UP IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS WET. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE IDENTITY FUTURE AS PLANNED HERE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, THE LINEAR MEANDERING WALKING TRAIL BETWEEN THE BURMA AND THE RAIN GARDENS, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE HAVE PICNIC AREAS INTERSPERSED IN VERY SPECIFIC AREAS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE VISTAS ACROSS THE LAKES. AND HE WILL SEE YOU NO MATTER WHAT STREET YOU ARE ON YOU CAN GET CONNECTED TO THIS TRAIL WITH AN ON OR IN OFF-RAMP CLOSE TO HOME.
WE HAVE SEVEN BIO SWALES AREAS FOR STORMWATER TREATMENT WHILE LIFE HABITAT AND NATURAL AESTHETICS.
THIS IS THAT COMMUNITY HUB AREA WHERE WE HAVE THE BUS STOP JUST PAST THE PLAYGROUND, THE MALE KIOSK, THE CABANA AND POOL AND PARKING. A LOT OF PARENTS LIKE TO SIT WITH THEIR KIDS WHILE THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE BUS, THE KIDS CAN RIDE THEIR BIKES UP HERE. WE HAVE A BIKE RACKET SO THEY CAN RIDE THEIR BIKE UP TO THE BUS STOP.
YOU CAN HAVE KIDS PLAYING AT THE PLAYGROUND WHILE THEY WAIT FOR THE BUS, BEING ACTIVE AND INTERACTING WITH EACH OTHER, GETTING OFF THEIR PHONES. SO WE REALLY LIKE THE WAY THAT THIS PULLS EVERYBODY TOGETHER HERE.
THAT LINEAR PARK THAT THEN HAS BEEN SHOWN BEFORE, WE JUST WANT TO BRING A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTENTION TO THAT.
YOU SEE THOSE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND THEN AS YOU MOVE WEST, WE HAVE 45 FEET OF BIO SWALES AND ENHANCED LANDSCAPING BEFORE YOU GET TO YOUR 15-FOOT WIDE AREA FOR THE LINEAR WALKING TRAIL THAT WILL BE SHADED BY ALL THE TREES THAT WE ARE PLANTING.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A 28-FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BURNED AREA.
8-FOOT HIGH WALL ON TOP OF THAT. THAT'S A TOTAL OF 95 FEET BETWEEN YOUR FIRST SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE AND THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN LOOKING FURTHER OUT, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW FAR AWAY IT IS SENT FROM THE PAVEMENT OF THE OFF-RAMP, FROM YOUR CLOSEST HOUSE TO THE PAVEMENT, THAT IS 186 FEET.
SO IT IS QUITE -- IT IS SET QUITE A BACK A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS WHAT A RAIN GARDEN LOOKS LIKE, WHERE IS NORMALLY YOUR ATTENTION AREAS ARE JUST FLOORED TO TAN, AND THAT'S IT. IT LOOKS LIKE A DEPRESSION.
THESE RAIN GARDENS WILL NOT ONLY CLEAN THE WATER, BUT THE HABITAT AS WELL, AND THE COMMUNITY AMENITY FOR VISTAS.
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THIS IS THE IDENTITY FUTURE, WE SUBMITTED THIS IDENTITY FUTURE LAST MONTH WITH OUR RECENT MIDDLE, WE DO NOT GET COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR THING UNTIL FRIDAY, SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE IT RESOLVED YET. WE ALWAYS LIKE TO BRING HER SOME STUFF THAT IS FULLY RESOLVED, BUT WE GOT THAT COMMENT TO LATE, SO WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WORKING WITH STAFF TO IDENTIFY SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COMMISSION FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH.ADD TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MASTER PD, MAYOR HUDSON ASKED IF SHE COULD BE A PART OF THE DESIGN, SO WE DID GO AND BRIEF HER ON THAT. WE SHOWED HER THIS AND SHE WAS HAPPY WITH IT, BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO KEEP WORKING ON IT.
SO WE WOULD ASK THOUGH THAT YOU CONSIDER LEAVING THE DESIGN TO -- LIKE TO GIVE US GUIDANCE ON WHAT YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO, BUT IF WE CAN GO FROM HERE AND GET APPROVAL AT THE CITY COMMISSION, WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT AS WE HAVE SEEN YOU SO MANY TIMES FOR THIS PROJECT, WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THE SPEED ON THE LAST TIME.
THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED AT MASTER.
SO ALL OF THESE DEVELOP MEANT STANDARDS, YOU CAN SEE BY THE GREEN CHECKS HERE THAT IT'S ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WERE ADOPTED WITH PD ARE EITHER MET OR EXCEEDED AND ON THAT QUESTION OF SIDEWALKS, YES, ENGINEERING DATA RAISE THE QUESTION OF INTERIOR SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, BUT THE CITY COMMISSION HAD ALREADY ADOPTED THE STANDARDS FOR ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. SO WE ARE MEETING OUR CONDITIONS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION ADOPTED.
SO THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION.
ACCESS AND TRANSPORTATION, OUR NORTH ACCESS IS OUR MAIN ENTRANCE AND THAT IS WHERE THAT COMMERCIAL ACCESS POINT IS THAT WE WILL BE BUILDING FOR THEM. THEN THE SOUTH ACCESS AND IT IS A BOULEVARD WITH TREE LINED STREETS DIVIDED, IT WILL BE A VERY NICE ENTRANCE, AND THEN THE SOUTH ENTRANCE ALIGNS AS I MENTIONED BEFORE WITH INDEPENDENTS CLASSICAL ACADEMY.
AGAIN, THIS IS A REDUCTION OF 8S FUTURE LAND USE ALLOWANCE FOR TRAFFIC. THIS IS THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH SUPPORTING THE PROJECT AND TO THE LOCATION OF THIS ROADWAY TRACKED FOR HIM.
AND AN AGREEMENT ON THAT EASEMENT THAT HAS BEEN SIGNED, THERE WAS AN EASEMENT THAT RAN THROUGH THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAT HAS BEEN RELOCATED, BOTH PARTIES HAVE SIGNED IT.
ACCOUNT PLAN CONSISTENCY, AGAIN, 4.79 DWELLING UNITS, WELL BELOW THE 12 UNITS THAT COULD BE ALLOWED IN THE RM FUTURE LAND USE REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC, OPEN SPACE, IS ABOVE THE STANDARD AND REALLY CREATIVE, NICELY UTILIZING A COMMUNITY BENEFIT AS A BUFFER TO I-90 REALLY CREATIVE.
STORMWATER, ENVIRONMENTAL NEIGHBORING GARDENS, BIO SWALES, ON-SITE WATER TREATMENT, WHILE CREATING WILDLIFE HABITAT AND SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT -- ACTUALLY, YOU MENTION IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT THAT THERE MAY BE A WETLAND THAT IT MENTIONED THERE MAY BE A WETLAND, THAT JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARY DETERMINATION HAS BEEN MADE AND IT HAS BEEN FOUND TO NOT BE A WETLAND. WE HAVE OUR NOISE ATTENUATION CONDITION OF APPROVAL REALLY CLEARLY SETS OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND IT IS COMPATIBLE AND IT REFLECTS ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT WITH AVALON CROSSINGS AND BE ABLE WEST.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL APPLICABLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES. PLANNING HAS REVIEWED AND CLEARED WITH CONDITIONS, ENGINEERING CLEARED WITH CONDITIONS, FIRE REVIEWED AND APPROVED, STORMWATER, REVIEWED AND CLEARED WITH CONDITIONS, WE ARE FINE WITH ALL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL LISTED BY A PLANNING STAFF.
SO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT WAS LOOKED AT FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING BOARD IN DECE DECEMBER 2024 THE RESIDENT PLAN WAS APPROVED, THE LAND APPROVE
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MEANT UNANIMOUSLY BY CITY COMMISSION IN FEBRUARY AS WELL AS THE REZONING AND MASTER-PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH SET THE STANDARDS BY WHICH YOU ARE REVIEWING THIS.APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY ON THE SAME HEARING, THIS IS THE FINAL PD, IT NEEDS OR EXCEEDS ALL PD DEVELOPMNT STANDARDS, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. AND WE REQUEST THAT THIS PLANNING BOARD RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
BASED ON WHATEVER CONDITION WE WORK OUT TODAY.
I'M GOING TO ASK LEE DOBBINS TO COME FORWARD RIGHT NOW AND TALK
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PROCESS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
THE RECORD LEE DOBBINS HERE FOR FORT PIERCE, SO JUST WRAP UP, A LITTLE BIT ON THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE.
IT SO THE CITY'S CODE FOLLOWING A TWO STEP PROCESS, MASTER APPROVAL THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COMMISSION, THAT IS THE EXCEPTIONAL DESIGN IN THE FINAL THEY CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE FULL DESIGN, SLIDE PLAN AND ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS.
WITH THAT PROCESS ACCORDING TO CODE, HOPE WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE MASTER PD THAT AUTHORIZES THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT THE ASSOCIATIVE FINAL PD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, WHAT ARE THOSE TERMS AND CONDITIONS? THERE WERE TWO DOCUMENTS APPROVED THROUGH THE MASTER PROCESS, AND TO THE ORDINANCE, WHICH APPROVED THE MASTER PD ZONING AND PD ZONE, AND THEN THERE IS A PLAN OF THE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT WENT FORWARD TOGETHER TO PROVIDE A CITY COMMISSION ENHANCEMENT. SO THOSE ARE DOCUMENTS ADDRESSING A NUMBER OF EXHIBITS WITH THE MASTER SITE PLAN CONDITIONS OF DEVELOPMENT, IT IS ORIGINALLY THE 14 CONDITIONS THAT TURNED TO EIGHT AFTER TODAY, CONTINUE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, PUBLIC FACILITIES, LANDSCAPING ON THE NATURE.
SO THE DEVELOPER'S OBLIGATIONS FOR FINAL APPROVAL IS TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER APPROVAL AND REACHES THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY CODE.
THE CITY STANDARD OR REVIEW IS TO CONFIRM THAT THERE IS A MASTER PD REQUIREMENT OTHER THAN THAT AND THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY CODE ARE MET. AND CITY STAFF IS LINED UP AS WELL. SO FOR APPROVAL, THE JOB IS TO ALSO LOOK AT THAT AND GIVE YOU A RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT.
SO OUR TEAM IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> THE CHAIR: THANK YOU. I WILL START, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE LIFT STATION, SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, NOW IS THAT CITY OWNED AND OPERATED OR BELONGING TO THE
DEVELOPMENT? >> PUBLIC LIFT STATIONS.
SPIN ON SO MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE IT WOULD BE PROVIDED WITH THAT EMERGENCY POWER TO KEEP THE LIFT STATION FUNCTIONING UNDER A PROLONGED POWER OUTAGE? YOU THINK THEY ALL ARE? OKAY, GOOD. AND THEN -- I GUESS, SO, COMING BACK TO THIS CONDITION 8, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DIALING LISTEN AND NOT CREATING ANY ISSUES, THERE WAS IN THE TRC COMMENT NUMBER 5.
WE SEE IF I CAN BRING IT UP H HERE.
THEY DESCRIBE THE -- THEY DESCRIBE THIS DIFFERENTLY.
SO THE COMMENT WAS -- SORRY COME IN AT NUMBER FIVE, WHERE IS IT? THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE MONUMENT SIGN, OR THE ARK FEATURE.
SO IT SAYS INCLUDED LANGUAGE THAT THE FUTURE MONUMENT ARTWORK NEEDS TO BE IN PHASE TWO ON THE SITE PLAN AND THEN AND PARENTHESES, 200 HOUSE TRIGGER MAKES PHASED 2, NOT REALLY SURE
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EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE COMMENT OR CHANGE THE TRIGGER TO BRING IT TO FACE 1, SO CURRENLY THE PHASING PLAN SHOWS THEMONUMENT IN PHASE 1, RIGHT? >> THERE IS AN AGREEMENT OF MASTER, AND THEN THE AGREEMENT ON THE FINAL, SO REFACING THAT MONUMENT SIGN, TO BE IN PLACE IN PHASE 1.
AS A PART OF THAT FIRST AMENDMENT.
>> THE CHAIR: OKAY, SO WE WOULD NOT BE CREATING ANY CONFLICT WITH THAT AMENDMENT BY REQUIRING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN APPROVAL PRIOR TO CEO OF PHASE 1, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE PROBABLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THE .2 FOR THE COMPLETION OF
PHASE 1. >> WE WOULD LIKE TO GET IT NAILED DOWN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND LIKE TO HAVE AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE TO DO THAT SO THAT THERE ARE THE ELEMENTS MOVING FORWARD ON THE PROJECT, BUT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO NAIL DOWN IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND STARTING THOSE
>> IF YOU CAN GIVE US AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AS POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF TIME, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, AND WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOT HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THE ENTIRE PROCESS AGAIN JUST FOR THAT ELEMENT. OF PD AGREEMENT TO SIMPLY PROVIDE THAT ONE WILL BE PROVIDED TO HAVE IT APPROVED BY THE CITY WITH SOME LANGUAE LIKE THAT THAT IS MORE GENERAL BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO COME BACK FOR MORE PUBLIC HEARINGS, THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE APPLICANT THAT WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH STAFF ON IT OBVIOUSLY AND ENSURE THE CITY COMMISSION IS AGREEABLE TO IT, BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE TO COME BACK HERE TO DO THAT ONE PROCESS.
>> THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, I'M TRYING TO WEIGH THE BENEFIT AND NEED OF THAT. I THINK THAT THE NATURE OF IMPORTANCE IS THAT WE ARE ALL KIND OF ZEROING IN ON THIS FEATURE IS SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC MAY COMPEL US TO GO THROUGH THE FULL PROCESS OF, BUT I INTEND TO DISCUSS THIS AGAIN WITH THE BOARD BEFORE WE WRAP ON THIS ISSUE TODAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? HEARING NONE, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
AT THIS TIME I WOULD OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC ANY MEMBER WHO IS HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. SEEING NONE I WILL SEND IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR FINAL DISCUSSION.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS OTHER THAN OUR EIGHTH CONDITION
>> MY ONLY OTHER CONCERN IS WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE BEGINNING AS FAR AS THE SIZE OF THE COMMUNAL COVERS SPACE, IT SEEMS TO ME AND SUFFICIENT FOR HUNDRED 39 LOTS TO HAVE SUCH A SMALL COMMUNAL SPACE AS FAR AS THAT COMMUNITY, BUT THAT SIZE OF
COMMUNITY. >> THE CHAIR: I AM NOT VERY HAPPY WITH THE WORDING OF THE REGULATION.
I RUN INTO THIS KIND OF STUFF PROFESSIONALLY ALL THE TIME, BUT YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT IN EXCESS OF 100 DEVELOPING UNITS WITH RECREATIONAL CENTER OR COMMUNAL BUILDING OF AN APPROPRIATE SIZE THERE IS A LOT OF GRAY AREA AND THAT DESCRIPTION.
>> WRITES. >> THE CHAIR: I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN COMPEL THE APPLICANT TO REALLY DO ANYTHING.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I GUESS IT IS CAN WE CHANGE THAT
IN THE FUTURE? >> THE CHAIR: THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TIE IT TO THE SIZE OF COMMUNITY OR DIALING SPECIFICALLY WITH THE FUNCTION OF THE OCCUPANCY OF THAT BUILDING WOULD BE.
BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER TIME.
>> OKAY, AND ANOTHER DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER TIME AS WELL, BUT I DID WANT TO BRING UP AND I CAN BRING IT UP AT THE END, SINCE WE ARE DISCUSSING IT IS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AS FAR AS WHEN WE REMOVE TREES AND REPLACE THEM WITH THINGS LIKE PALM TREES, NOT REALLY SUFFICIENT OR EQUIVALENT AS FAR AS PROVIDING THE CORRECT HABITATS FOR OUR NATIVE WILDLIFE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO
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DISCUSS THAT IN THE FUTURE AS WELL AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE BEING CONSCIOUS OF OUR ENVIRONMENT AND OUR HABITAT THAT MAKES -- WHAT MAKES FLORIDA FLORIDA.>> THE CHAIR: WE HAVE A LANDSCAPING PROFESSIONAL ON THE BOARD, SO MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS IT --
>> READY TO HEAR DISCUSSIONS. >> A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF NATIVE HAS TO GO BACK ON THE PROJECT DEPENDING UPON THE AMOUNT OF HARDSCAPE, HOMES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, SO THEY HAVE THINGS SUCH AS THE BISMARCK'S, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE LIST IS NATIVE
ITEMS ENTRIES. >> IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH IT, I AM
OKAY WITH IT. >> ON WHAT THEY ARE REMOVING, THEY ARE PUTTING IN A LOT MORE, THEY ARE ACTUALLY MOVING IT IN ON THEIR MITIGATION CHART, SO YOU'RE GETTING A LOT MORE BANG FOR WHAT THEY ARE REMOVING, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE COMING OUT OR THINGS SUCH AS THE LAUREL OAKS, THAT ARE HAVING
MORE ISSUES THAN ANYTHING NOW. >> THANK YOU.
>> THE CHAIR: SO MY QUESTION TO THE BOARD HERE IS, DO WE FEEL THAT IT IS NECESSARY FOR FINAL APPROVAL OF THE MONUMENT DESIGN TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD, OR ARE WE CONFIDENT IN OUR PLANNING STAFF TO DEVELOP A DESIGN THAT IS GOING TO BE WHAT THE CITY IS HAPPY WITH, AND TO GO DIRECTLY FOR APPROVAL TO THE
COMMISSION? >> I WILL GO FIRST.
I AM COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF, HOWEVER I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INPUT.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A GATEWAY TO OUR CITY, IT'S GOING TO REPRESENT OUR CITY, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY PRESENTED TO THE CITY. MY OTHER CONCERN WAS THAT IT SHOULD BE A PART FEATURE, AND I THINK THAT THIS IS MORE JUST A SIGNAGE, I'M NOT -- I'M SEEING A LOT LESS ART THAN I AM SIGNED. I SEE THE SIGN THAT SAYS SINGLE FORT PIERCE, SEE THE NOTATION THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THE CORNERSTONE PROPERTY, BUT THAT ITSELF IS ONE-THIRD THE SIZE OF THE NAME THAT IS LISTED FOR THE TYPE OF PROPERTY, THAT'S NOT REALLY AN ART FEATURE. SO FOR ME, IT DOES NOT HIT THE
MARK ON THAT. >> I'M GOING TO ASK EACH OF YOU TO GIVE ME A THUMBS-UP OR THUMBS DOWN.
AND I GET THE POINT OF PUBLIC INPUT ON IT.
WE -- AND THIS IS COME UP BEFORE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES REALLY IN THE LAST YEAR, THE LAST TWO YEARS, BUT IN THE LAST SIX OR NINE MONTHS, AND IT APPEARS THAT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED OR GONE TO 7, AND I THINK THAT WE ARE GOING OUT IN EIGHTH RELATED TO THIS FEATURE, THE SIGN FUTURE, HOWEVER THAT FALLS, AND I AM NOT SURE HOW TO FRAME THAT OTHER THAN I THINK I AM COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF IF THIS THING IS REALLY, REALLY TIED TO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING IN THE CITY AS IT RELATES TO THE BRANDING OF THE CITY, I THINK THAT THE SIZE OF THE DASH OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US -- THE, WHERE YOU HAVE TWO ORGANIZATIONS HERE, ONE IS THE CITY THAT LIKES TO HAVE A LARGE PRESENCE AND THE OTHER IS THE DEVELOPER WITH THESE PROPERTIES, AND THEY WOULD LIKE THEIR NAME OUT THERE, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE DEVELOPER'S NAME, I AM GREETING IS BIGGER THAN THE CITY'S NAME, SO THE CITY KIND OF FALLS BACK IN THIS THING, SO I WOULD LIKE THE -- I THINK THAT THE STAFF, MAY BE MORE PROFESSIONAL IN THE DESIGNER, THE ART FEATURE OR THE BRANDING FEATURE THEN POSSIBLY THE BOARD IS, MAYBE NOT, BUT I THINK I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THEM AS LONG AS THEY CAN WORK THROUGH THIS THING AND SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO HAVE IT BOUND THAT THIS FEATURE CAN'T GET KICKED DOWN THE ROAD EITHER, THAT IT TAKES -- I MEAN, THIS WHOLE PLAN COULD BE COMPLETED AND THERE IS NO SIGNAGE, THE SIGNAGE COULD COME DOWN THE ROAD ALSO, SO I THINK THAT THERE IS A TIMED ELEMENT WAS SOMETHING THAT IS APPROPRIATE -- I THINK THE SIZE, OBVIOUSLY THE FORT PIERCE OF IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY, IS THAT IT? IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO? SHOULD IT BE READING WELCOME? BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE MAKING THAT DECISION.
SO I'M STILL BACK TO IF THERE IS QUALIFIED PEOPLE ON THE PLANNING
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SIDE THAT -- THE BRANDING -->> I HAVE EVERY AMOUNT OF FAITH IN OUR PLANNING STAFF TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS AS IT PERTAINS TO THE CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, AND I WILL TAKE THE APPLICANT AT THEIR WORD THAT THEY WANT TO RESOLVE THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, I BELIEVE THEY ARE MOTIVATED TO DO SO, THE ONLY BENEFIT THAT I REALLY SEE AT COMING BACK HERE IS THAT IT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT TO AN AGENDA WITH AN IMAGE LIKE THIS OF WHAT THE NEXT VERSION THAT THEY ARE GOING TO THROW UP WILL BE AND IT GIVES THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT AND THEN COME HERE AND TELL US HOW MUCH THEY HATED OR HOW MUCH THEY LOVE IT OR TO STAY HOME AND YOU KNOW, BUT WITH THEIR ABSENCE, BUT THEN THAT ALSO GIVES THE APPLICANT OPPORTUNITY IF THERE IS NEGATIVE REACTION TO IT TO PIVOT OR SHIFT BEFORE IT GOES TO THE COMM COMMISSION. I JUST DON'T WANT TO BACK THE COMMISSION INTO -- AND HAVE THEM MAKE A SNAP DECISION, SO, I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT'S DESIRE TO KEEP THINGS MOVING, BUT I AM LEANING TOWARDS ASKING THEM TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD WITH THAT FINAL DESIGN.
HOW ABOUT YOU, MR. EDWARDS? >> I THINK THAT PUBLIC HARMONY IS VITAL TO WHAT WE DO, SO I'M KIND OF LEANING MORE TOWARDS THEM COMING BACK MAYBE, AND HAVING THAT PUBLIC INPUT, LIKE YOU SAID, OR NOT, BUT AT LEAST GIVING IT ANOTHER CHANCE TO FOR
US TO LOOK AT IT. >> THE CHAIR: MR. JOHNSON, I THINK YOU ARE THE SWING VOTE HERE.
>> DIDN'T YOU ALREADY SAY? >> THE CHAIR: WE WILL GET TO NEXT, SO MR. JOHNSON, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> I DON'T MIND IF YOU WANT INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC OR DEALINGS WITH IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE TO POTENTIALLY HOLD UP THEM TO GO IN FRONT WITH HER PD.
I WOULD POTENTIALLY LEAVE IT TO WHERE IF IT WAS ONLY FOR THE SIGN TO GET APPROVED ITSELF, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO USE IT TO TRIGGER INTO PHASE TWO REGARDLESS, THAT'S WHY THEY CAN AT LEAST GET THE PROCESS OF THE MASTER GOING.
>> THE CHAIR: YES. ALL RIGHT, MISS CARTER? DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO COME BACK HERE?
>> I DO, JUST BECAUSE THE WAY THAT STAFF PRESENTED, AS BRANDING BEFORE OF FORT PIERCE, SO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS HAVING PUBLIC COMMENT ON HOW WE WANT OUR CITY -- OUR IMAGE TO BE COMMON TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US TO HELP SHAPE THE WAY THAT THIS IS PROCEEDING FOR, SO WITHOUT THAT VISIBILITY, I AM NOT COMFORTABLE NOT HAVING THE VISIBILITY NOT HAVING THE PUBLIC BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF FEEDBACK.
IT'S BEING DESCRIBED AS A TOWER, IT'S PRETTY LARGE, PRETTY LARGE SIZABLE MONUMENTS VERSUS JUST A SMALL SIGN, SO --
>> THE CHAIR: ALL RIGHT, WELL, WITH THE ABSENCE OF MS. STOREY WE ARE SPLIT 3-3 ON WHETHER OR NOT IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT.
>> YOU DECIDE THE SPLIT. >> THE CHAIR: THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME THAT. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY WE SHOULD BRING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THE CITY COMMISSION, SO CONDITION 8 WILL READ AS APPLICANTS SHALL FIND FINAL DESIGN APPROVAL, APPLICANT SHALL RECEIVE FINAL MONUMENT AT DESIGN APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND CITY COMMISSION PRIOR TO FINAL CO OF PHASE 1, DIRECTOR,
ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THAT? >> THAT WILL WORK, YES.
>> THE CHAIR: IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I THINK WE CAN PROCEED WITH A MOTION. REMINDER TO THE BOARD, WE HAVE SEVEN CONDITIONS. ONE OF THEM WAS EDITED AND IN EIGHTH CONDITION ADDED BY THE BOARD AS STATED.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE
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EIGHTH CONDITIONS INCLUDING THE ONE THAT WAS STATED PREVIOUSLY.>> SECOND. >> THE CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE EIGHT CONDITIONS.
BY CLEMONS, SECONDED BY EDWARDS. >> MR. EDWARDS?
[b. PZCON2025-00010 Conditional Use Legacy Future Scholars Academy 510 Orange Avenue ]
>> THE CHAIR: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, EVERYONE.
MOVING ON TO RIDE HIM 6B, CONDITIONAL USE, LEGACY FUTURE
ACADEMY. >> GOOD EVENING, PLANNING CHAIR, PLANNING BOARD, BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE LEGACY FUTURE SCHOLARS ACADEMY, WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION PARCEL I.D.
PZCON2025-00010 LOCATED AT 510 ORANGE AVENUE.
HERE AT THE SITE AREA APPROXIMATELY 0.53 ANCHORS PLUS OR MINUS, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR CONDITION USE TO OPERATE A PRIVATE SCHOOL SERVING PRE-K THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE WITH THE CAPACITY OF UP TO 200 STUDENTS.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTIONS 125/127, AND 137 OF THE CODE, LOOKING AT APPROVAL FOR THE PRIVATE SCHOOL, THIS SCHOOL IS APPROXIMATELY 18,428 SQUARE FEET FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR OF TOTALING OF THE TOTAL 20,195 SQUARE FEET COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
THE PROPERTY IS KNOWN SEE THREE COMMERCIAL WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE OF GC GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THE ACADEMY WILL CONSIST OF EIGHT CLASSROOMS WITHIN THE MINISTRY OF SPACE, AND A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM AND A DESIGNATED PLAY AREA.
IN ADDITION TO THESE CORE SPACES THE SCHOOL HAS SECURED STRATEGIC COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS TO ENSURE THE SAFETY AND EFFECTIVE OPERATIONS. THERE IS A SHARED PLAYGROUND AND A SHARED PARKING WITH THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH WHICH HAS AGREED TO THE PARKING AGREEMENT. BEFORE THEIR ARRIVAL AND DISMISSAL PLAN, THE SCHEDULES WOULD BE STAGGERED AS YOU CAN SEE, PRESCHOOL STARTING AT 8:00, KINDERGARTEN, FIRST GRADE AT 8:30, SIX THROUGH EIGHTH WOULD BE 8:45:00 A.M., AND DISMISSAL TIMES WOULD BE STAGGERED TO ENSURE SMOOTH TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AND LIMITS THE REVIEW ROADSTER. THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE FACILITY WOULD BE FROM 8:30-3:30 P.M., MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. THERE WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 26 STAFF MEMBERS AT THIS LOCATION THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE APPROXIMATELY UP TO 200 STUDENTS.
ON AVERAGE. THIS IS THE CODE SECTION OF THE CONDITION USE PROCEDURE WHICH WE FOLLOW, 125, -- 2:30 SEVEN, AND ARIEL OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WHICH IS LOCATED JUST TO THE WEST OF THE 500 ORANGE AVENUE EVENT CENTER AND NORTH OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IN WELLS FARGO BANK LOAN.
THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT SHOWS THAT THE PROPERTY HAS A STATED HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF GC GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING BEFORE YOU AS A SITE PLAN OF THE PROPOSED SCHOOL AS YOU CAN SEE, TO THE NORTH IS THE LOCATION OF THEIR SHARED PARKING WITH THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, THIS WILL BE THE ARRIVAL AND DISMISSAL AREA YOU CAN SEE THE ENTRANCE OF THE VEHICLES TO THE EAST AND THE EXIT WOULD BE TO THE WEST DRIVEWAY.
THE PROPERTY HAS 18 PARKING SPACES ON SITES REQUIRED IS 15, AND THE LOCATION OF THE DUMPSTER IS STILL NEEDED TO BE APPROVED BY PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH WOULD BE IN THE NORTH EAST CORNER.
A FLOOR PLAN INCLUDES THE RECEPTION AREA, NURSE OFFICE,
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STORAGE ROOMS, CLASSROOMS, KITCHEN, TEACHERS LOUNGE, STUDENT CAFETERIA, INDOOR GYM, PLAYGROUND, THERE WILL ALSO BE AN OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND, WHICH WOULD BE WITH ADULT RESTROOMS, BOYS AND GIRLS RESTROOMS. SECOND FLOOR WOULD JUST CONSIST OF STORAGE AREA AND ADDITIONAL RESTROOMS, THESE ARE PROPOSED DESIGN ELEVATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ADDING TO THE EXISTING BUILDING. THEY WOULD BE ADDING A MURAL ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND REPAVING THE PARKING LOT.THE APPLICANT WILL INSTALL A TOTAL OF SIX LIVE OAK TREES WITH IN THE OUTLINING LANDSCAPE OF THAT PARKING LOT WHERE THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER WILL CONTINUE CONTINUOUS.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS STATED FOR SAFETY THAT THE SCHOOL WILL ASSIGN TRAINS CROSSING GUARDS AT ALL THE PRIMARY STUDENT CROSSING POINTS WITH THE INTERSECTIONS RECORDING IT WITH LOCAL AUTHORITIES AS NEEDED TO REVIEW TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND ENSURE APPROPRIATE SAFETY MEASURES ARE IN PLACE.
THERE WILL BE CLEARLY VISIBLE SIGNAGE TO BE INSTALLED IN AND AROUND THE SCHOOL INCLUDING SCHOOL ZONE REDUCING SPEED, TRUCK, ROUTE AWARENESS, AND PEDESTRIAN PARKING SIGNS.
AND ALSO IMPLEMENTS A PARENT AND STUDENT APPRECIATION PROGRAM, FOR PROCEDURES ON WALKING AND BIKING, THIS INCLUDES TO GUIDANCE ON DESIGNATED ROUTES, HELMET USE FOR BICYCLES AND THE IMPORTANCE OF ADHERING TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN HANDBOOKS, MEETINGS, AND DIGITAL PLATFORMS FOR SAFETY PRACTICES. SCHOOL LEADERSHIP WILL REGULATE REVIEW, SAFETY PROCEDURES, OBSERVE A RATTLE AND DISMISSAL OPERATIONS AND ADJUST AS NEEDED, FEEDBACK FROM PARENTS, STAFF, AND LOCAL PARTNERS WILL BE USED TO STRENGTHEN THE PLAN AND ENCOURAGE. THIS IS TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT THAT SHOWS THE AVERAGE ARRIVALS DURING THE STAGGERED TIMES APPROXIMATELY 80 DURING THE 800 TIME SLOT, 36 DURING 8:30, 66 DURING 845, AND 18 DURING THE 9:00 A.M. ARRIVALS. THE DISMISSALS 18 ARE DUE AT 12:30, AND 36 AT 3:00 P.M., AND 3:30 AROUND 66.
THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE ONE IN THE LANDSCAPE AGREEMENT THAT WILL BE REQUIRED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO ACCESS TO A LANDSCAPE INSPECTION THAT WILL BE REQUIRED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE OCCUPANCY, THREE, COORDINATE WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE PUBLIC WORKS, SOLID WASTE DIVISION TO ENSURE THAT THE DUMPSTER LOCATION MEETS THE CITY REQUIREMENTS AND IS ACCESSIBLE BY THE CITY GARBAGE TRUCKS. SHOULD THE VEHICLES STAGGERING ENCROACH INTO THE AVENUE RIGHT AWAY ON THE OPERATOR OF THE SCHOOL SHALL PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION TO ALLEVIATE ANY ROADWAY IMPACTS, AND ANY IMPACTS INTO AVENUE A'S SUCH AS A SIGNAGE CROSSWALK'S TEMPORARY LANE CLOSURES, ET CETERA, WITH THE CITY TO APPROVED BY THE CITY ENGINEER AND SIX CONDITIONS BASED ON THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF UP TO 200 STUDENTS. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD MOVE THE PROPOSED CONDITION WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE RECOMMENDED SIX CONDITIONS AND ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH MODIFIED APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL, THANK YOU.
>> THE CHAIR: THANK YOU, MR. GILMORE.
SO THIS CONDITIONAL USE WOULD REQUIRE ESTABLISHING A SCHOOL ZONE AT ORANGE AVENUE AND AVENUE A IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY? AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET? OR BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING? DID YOU HAVE THE -- I THINK IT WAS IN -- I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE MATERIALS HERE, THE SHARED
SPEAKER DID THAT SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT INDICATE TIME PERIOD?
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CONTINUATION CLAUSE. >> THE CHAIR: UNLESS TERMINATED, SO ITEM 6, I THINK. IT SAYS THIS AGREEMENT ON AUGUST UNLESS BY EITHER PARTY WITH 25 DAYS OF LEGAL NOTICE.
SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, THE AGREEMENT WOULD STAY IN PLACE UNLESS ACTIVELY TERMINATED BY ONE PARTY OR THE OTHER? ALL RIGHT? TO THE BOARD, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, THE OPERATION LISTED AS 8:30 TO 3:30, BUT THE STUDENTS ARRIVE AT 8:00?
>> YES, THAT SHOULD BE CORRECTED, I'M SORRY, IT SHOULD BE 8:00 TO 3:30. YES.
BUT SCHOOL STARTS AT 8:30. BUT OPERATIONS, YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> ARE THERE WHAT'S TO BE BUSTS, WILL STUDENTS BE BUSED, OR JUST PARENT DROP-OFF?
>> PARENTS. >> THE CHAIR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? HEARING NONE, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, I WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD.
PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME.
>> HERE TO MAYBE ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> THE CHAIR: DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PRESENTATION BEYOND THE
STAFF PRESENTATION? >> NO, I THINK THAT THE FIRM DID A GOOD JOB, JUST LOOKING AT CONDITION NUMBER 3 COORDINATED WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS. THEY HAD THREE LOCATIONS OF THE DUMPSTER, AND EFFECTING ONE OF THEM, I GUESS THEY DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE SUBMIT BEFORE TODAY.
>> THE CHAIR: THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU TELL US WHICH ONE YOU
PICKED, WHERE'S THE LOCATION? >> WHERE IT IS SHOWN ON THE
SECOND PANEL. >> SO IT WAS CORRECT ON THERE? OKAY, THANK YOU. IT'S BEYOND WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT YOUR LOCATION. I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER YOUR CUEING PROPERTY.
THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE UNEASY. I AM ASSUMING YOUR PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER IS AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE TERMINATED AT ANY TIME BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT WOULD THE PLAN B IF WE APPROVED THIS CONDITIONAL USE, THE SCHOOL GOES IN OPERATION, AND AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THAT USE AGREEMENT DISSOLVES? YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF 200 STUDENTS EVERY DAY WITHOUT ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY?
>> THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR SECOND GO AROUND WITH THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND ORIGINALLY HAD A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH THE 500 BUILDING, WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE EVENT CENTER, AND WHERE THE DUMPSTER IS CURRENTLY LOCATED, THE PRODUCTS TURNING ON THE ONE-WAY LOOP, SO WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE THAT REENG AND PUT IN THE ACCESS BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES WITH THE ONE-WAY LOOP DRIVE DROPPING OFF, AND ENGINEERING OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAD CONCERNS WITH
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THAT AS WELL. THAT THOSE STATING BACKED UP TOO MUCH ONTO ORANGE AVENUE, SO THEREFORE WE WENT TO AVENUE A AND TALK TO UNITED METHODISTS AND OTHER APPROVAL TO COME UP WITH THE PLAN THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.>> THE CHAIR: AND I THINK THAT IS A MUCH BETTER PLAN THAN WHAT YOU DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY, MY CONCERN STILL PERSISTS.
WE HAVE TO APPROACH THIS CONDITIONAL USE WITH THE ASSUMPTION -- WE ARE PROVING THIS CONDITIONAL USE BASICALLY WAS THE PARKING LEASE AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE. AND SO I AM LOOKING AT A SCENARIO WHERE IF THAT AGREEMENT IS DISSOLVED, YOUR CONDITIONAL USE IS NO LONGER VALID AND YOU CAN'T OPERATE, AND I WANT TO AVOID THAT AT ALL COSTS. I DON'T WANT TO YOU BUT YOU IN THAT POSITION OR THE CITY IN THAT POSITION, BECAUSE THEN IT COMES AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. SO I AM VERY HESITANT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON THIS WITHOUT KNOWING THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF BACKUP PLAN THAT IS GOING TO ALLOW YOU GUYS TO KEEP OPERATING. I MEAN, JUST AS FAR AS I AM AWARE OF WHAT THIS CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS IS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE THIS IS LEGALLY BINDING THING OF THE CONDITION WILL GO TO, IT'S TIED TO YOU HAVING USE OF THIS PARKING LOTS, AND SO IF THAT GOES AWAY, THAT CAUSES ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS. THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS -- AND I LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE WITH THE STAGGERED DROP-OFF AND PICKUP TIME SCHEDULE, I THINK THAT THAT IS PROBABLY THE BEST THING THAT YOU GUYS CAN GO ABOUT DOING IT, ASSUMING IF, LET'S ASSUME THAT THE PARKING LOT WAS YOUR PROPERTY AND WAS A PART OF YOUR PROPERTY AND THE WHOLE -- USE AGREEMENT WAS NOT AN ISSUE, BEING ABLE TO QUEUE, I THINK THAT YOU HAD IN YOUR -- SOME OF THE MATERIALS YOU ARE SHOWING THAT YOU HAD ENOUGH PHYSICAL SPACE TO QUEUE THE ENTIRE PICKUP OR DROP-OFF VOLUME AT ANY GIVEN POINT IN TIME ON PROPERTY, AND I THINK THAT'S VITAL, THAT TO ME THAT'S BARE MINIMUM.
BECAUSE HAVING VEHICLES CUEING ON TO AVENUE A OR ORANGE AVENUE WOULD JUST NOT REALLY BE ACCEPTABLE, EVEN A LITTLE BIT.
SO MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS THAT EVEN IF YOU COULD FIT 80 CARS IN THAT PARKING LOT BY LINING THEM UP IN MULTIPLE ROWS AND QUEUING THEM IN THAT SAYING, YOU STILL HAVE ANOTHER HUNDRED 20 CARS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING UP IN 30 MINUTES OR AN HOUR AND YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE OVER ON MELODY LANE ABOUT AN HOUR AGO, YOU COULD SEE HOW MOST PARENTS HANDLE THAT SITUATION IF THEY DON'T HAVE WORK AND THEY WANT TO BE THE FIRST IN LINE, THEY WILL GET THERE AS EARLY AS THEY WANT TO WITHOUT SOMEBODY SKIRTING THEM OUT, AND IF THEY CAN'T ENTER YOUR PROPERTY, THEY ARE GOING TO PARK ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET OR IN THE STREET UNTIL SOMEONE TELLS THEM TO MOVE. AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO SHOW ON YOUR PARKING CALCULATIONS, BUT THIS IS A OBSERVABLE HUMAN.
SO I JUST, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ASSUMING WE GET A CONDITIONAL USE AND ASSUMING WE GET SOME SORT OF SATISFACTION AT YOU HAVE A BACKUP PLAN OF THIS USE AGREEMENT EVER GOING AWAY, IT NEEDS TO BE VERY CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD BY ALL OF THE PARENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ATTENDING THE SCHOOL, THAT THEY KNOW THE TRAFFIC REGULATIONS AND THAT THEY AGREE TO NOT VIOLATE THEM.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS -- THESE ARE PRETTY READILY USED ROADS ALL THE TIME, ORANGE AVENUE IS A SINGLE LANE TO WEIGH, AVENUE A MIGHT BE A LITTLE LESS OF A CONCERN, BUT COMING IN OH, THE IDEA OF HAVING 100 PLUS CARS CLICKING AROUND IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO PARK UNTIL THEIR 30 MINUTE WINDOW OPENS UP I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A PERSISTENT PROBLEM FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MY SECOND POINT IS LIKE SOMETHING THAT IS OUT OF YOUR CONTROL AND OUT OF MIND, I MEAN, WHEN YOU OPERATE A PRIVATE SCHOOL, YOU CAN'T CONTROL YOUR PARENTS BEHAVIOR WHEN THEY ARE NOT UNDER PROPERTY, BUT TO MY POINTS WITH THIS USE AGREEMENT,
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THIS IS -- I THINK THAT THIS IS KIND OF A DEAL BREAKER FOR ME AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF ALTERNATE PLAN IN PLACE SHOULD THERE EVER BECOME A NEED FOR AN ALTERNATE SOLUTION FOR YOUR PICKUP AND DROP OFF.>> CAN WE GO TO THE SIDE THAT HAS THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
THE STAGGERED TIMES WHEN THE KIDS ARE COMING AND GOING.
AND HOW IS THAT BROKEN? I SEE THAT WE HAVE ARRIVALS, SO THE BIG NUMBER IS 80 AT ONE T TIME.
>> YES, AT EIGHT AND THEN 3:00 P.M.
>> THAT IS THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS.
YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE BLOCKING, RIDING THEIR BICYCLES, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS HERE THAT YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE REGISTRATION OF WHO IS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, HOW MANY ARE GOING TO BE DRIVEN AND DROPPED OFF, HOW MANY ARE WALKING, SO IT'S -- AND THIS IS THE BEST GUESS BASED ON TRAFFIC STUDY, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND EVERYTHING.
>> I THINK IT IS SAFE TO ASSUME THAT THE MAJORITY OF KIDS WILL COME -- BE DROPPED OFF, MAYBE THAT'S NOT A FAIR ASSUMPTION, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASSUME THAT MOST OF THE KIDS ARE GOING TO -- PARENTS ARE GOING TO DROP THEM OFF AND PICK THEM UP, SO THE CONCERN IS THAT NUMBER TWO-POINT WITH GETTING OFF IS THE INTENT TO HAVE 100% OF THE USE OF AVENUE A ONLY AND NOT USE ORANGE AVENUE?
I AM ASKING. >> ORANGE AVENUE WAS THE PARKING LOTS THAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE PROPERTY.
FOR THE TEACHERS AND EVERYTHING, AND THEN THE DROP-OFF AND PICKUP
WAS THE OTHER AVENUE. >> I'M VERY FAMILIAR, I AM A MEMBER OF THAT CHURCH AND I AM ACTUALLY ON THE CHURCH COUNCIL, SO THEY ARE VERY, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS GOING FORWARD IF IT IS CAPABLE, AND I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS THIS SAFETY OF BEING ABLE TO -- AS OUR CHAIR SAID, IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE IF YOU FIND YOU ARE STARTING TO BACK UP ON THE STREET, I THINK THAT THAT IS YOUR POINT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING
TO DO WITH THAT? >> THE CHAIR: EXACTLY.
I THINK IF YOU CAME HERE ASKING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A SCHOOL OF UP TO 200 STUDENTS WITHOUT DOUBT USE AGREEMENT, IT WOULD BE A HARD NO, BECAUSE JUST THE LOGISTICS OF IT DON'T WORK.
SO YOU KNOW, SINCE THE APPLICANT DOES NOT OWN AND SINGULARLY CONTROL THE PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE RELYING ON FOR THIS ELEMENT OF THAT IS REALLY CRUCIAL AND CONVINCING US THAT THIS CONDITIONAL USES APPROPRIATE, THEN IT PUTS US INTO A TOUGH SPOT. UNLESS THERE IS SOME SORT OF BACKUP PLAN? I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A BAD IDEA. AND I DON'T WANT TO REJECT IT OUTRIGHT, I JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF OPTION B IN CASE THAT USE AGREEMENT EVER GOES AWAY.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICANT DEVELOP AND COME BACK TO US W
WITH. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD JUMP IN FOR JUST A SECOND. I HAD A QUESTION AS YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING, BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO AGREEMENTS THAT ARE ATTACHED. ONE IS LABELED A PRIVATE LIMITED PLAYGROUND, ONE A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT, IF YOU LOOK ON THE PLAYGROUND AGREEMENT IT ALSO DISCUSSES STUDEN DROP-OFF AND PARKING, SO I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED WHICH AGREEMENT APPLIES TO WHICH AREAS, SO MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN CLARIFY TO US WHICH AGREEMENT IS APPLICABLE TO WHERE THE STUDENTS ARE GOING TO BE PICKED UP AND DROPPED OFF FROM.
>> THAT WOULD BE THE AVENUE -- >> CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE
MICROPHONE? >> IT'S AVENUE A WHICH IS THE PARKING LOT BEHIND THE PLAYGROUND.
>> IS THAT CONTROLLED BY THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT?
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THE PLAYGROUND AGREEMENT, OR BOTH? AND THOSE ARE OWNED BY -- THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENTENTITIES, RIGHT? >> I DON'T RECALL OFFHAND.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE SHARED PARKING IS WITH LEGACY CONSORTIUM AND 46-16 INVESTMENT. AND THEN THE PLAYGROUND AGREEMENT IS BETWEEN LEGACY AND FIRST UNITED METHODIST.
>> LEGACY IS MY CLIENTS, UNITED METHODIST OBVIOUSLY, UNITED METHODIST, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT OTHER ONE IS, BUT UNITED METHODIST HAS A DIFFERENT PARCEL I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
>> MEAN EITHER, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE -- SO, THE RENTAL AGREEMENT THAT IS TITLED ON THE ATTACHMENTS FOR THE MEETING AS SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT IS WITH AN ENTITY CALLED FOR A 641 INVESTMENT WITH
THE ORANGE CENTER. >> THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WAS MENTIONING, SORRY, SOMEHOW THAT GOD'S PUT INTO THIS, THAT'S THE 500 PARKING AGREEMENT. WHICH WAS WHAT I WAS
EXPLAINING -- >> THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS PLAN.
>> AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD FOR UTILIZING ORANGE AVENUE AS AN
ACCESS FOR A FLOATING MOTION. >> THE CHAIR: SO IF I AM UNDERSTANDING, THAT ATTACHMENT THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS APPLICANT.
SO THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR AGREEMENT WITH THE PARKING LOT AND THE PLAYGROUND IS TIED TO THIS RENTAL AGREEMENT WHICH HAS A STATED TERM BEGINNING MA MARCH 1ST 2026 AND CONTINUING FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS AND DURING FEBRUARY 282031 UNLESS TERMINATED EARLIER PURSUANT TO THE TERMS HEREIN.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. >> DOES MR. CHAIR HAVE AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR A SUCCESSIVE FIVE YEAR TERMS? THAT MEANS THEY HAVE THE FIRST TERM AND UNLESS THEY TERMINATED OR SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO RENEW IT WILL RENEW AUTOMATICALLY FOR
5-YEAR TERMS? >> THE CHAIR: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE POWER IN THE NEGOTIATION OVER THE TERMS OF THAT LEASE. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T -- I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN OPERATE THE SCHOOL WITHOUT IT.
AND I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN JUSTIFY CONDITIONAL USE FOR THIS OPERATION OF THAT FACILITY WITHOUT IT.
SO IT JUST -- IT MAKES ME NERVOUS FOR YOU.
>> FMA, I AM THE BUILDING OWNER FOR THIS PROJECT, THE ISSUE YOU BRING UP IS A GOOD ONE, AND WE DISCUSSED IT FOR ABOUT A YEAR, OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND IT HAS COME UP SEVERAL TIMES AND THE WAY THAT IT WAS RESOLVED IN OUR LAST MEETING WAS THE APPLICANT UNFORTUNATELY -- I GUESS I AM THE APPLICANT, BUT THE SCHOOL OWNER CANNOT BE HERE TODAY, BUT THE WAY IT WAS ADDRESSED IS IF IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT TO THE CHURCH WERE TO TERMINATE THAT AGREEMENT FOR SOME REASON THEY WOULD PROVIDE PERSONAL TRANSPORTATION AND THERE WILL BE SOME TYPE OF BUS OR SOME TYPE OF BANDS OR WHATEVER, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO CLOSE THE SCHOOL DOWN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN OPERATING IF, FOR SOME REASON, HOPEFULLY THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN THE CHURCH TERMINATES IT, THEY WOULD COME UP WITH -- THEY WOULD HAVE TO ABANDON THE CLAIM AND STILL HAVE AGAIN THE BACKUP PLAN OFF OF ORANGE AVENUE WHICH COULD WORK THROUGH THE AGREEMENT WHERE WE WOULD STAND NEXT TO THE POST OFFICE, BUT THEY ALSO ARE PREPARED AND HAVE DISCUSSED THIS ALREADY WITH PLANNING TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN TRANSPORTATION TO THEIR STUDENTS.
AND IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE EVERY SINGLE STUDENT, BUT IT WOULD BE ENOUGH OF THAT AS A BACKUP PLAN SO THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY ENTRENCHMENT ON THE ROADWAYS.
>> THE CHAIR: I THINK YOU CAN -- YOU CAN PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOGETHER INTO A COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION TO TO THIS APPLICATION, I THINK HAVING THAT PLAN IN PLACE AND A MEANS TO EXECUTE IT IS NECESSARY FOR US
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TO PROCEED WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE.EVERYTHING YOU JUST DESCRIBED IS TOTALLY DOABLE, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE HERE IN APPLICATION. POTENTIALLY, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT, THERE WERE REASONS WHY THE SHARED USE AGREEMENT ON ORANGE AVENUE FOR CUEING OF CARS DROPPING OFF AND PICKING UP STUDENTS WAS REJECTED INITIALLY. THAT'S NOT A GOOD PLAN EITHER.
SO SOME HYBRID PLAN THAT IS GOING TO ALLOW US TO EFFECTIVELY NOT HAVE BOGGING DOWN OF TRAFFIC ON ORANGE AVENUE OR AVENUE A DUE TO YOUR PICKUP AND DROP OFF OPERATIONS.
THIS IS WHAT IS NECESSARY TO GET ON PAPER AND BE A PART OF THIS APPLICATION IN MY OPINION. I DON'T KNOW.
BORED, AM I MAKING TOO BIG OF A DEAL OF THIS?
>> THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT THEY HAVE IS FOR A SET TIME CONSTRAINT OF THE FIVE YEARS IS NOT A BIG CONCERN FOR ME, TURN REALLY NOT A BIG ISSUE, BUT THE- STACKING OF THE CARS THROUGHOUT THE DAY IS A CONCERN FOR ME. YOU KNOW, I PAID TO KNOW THE TIME CONSTRAINTS EARLY ON. I WAS LIKE, HOW IS THAT GOING TO HAVE BEEN THE DOWNTOWN AREA? THERE IS CONSTANT TRAFFIC THERE.
WE HAVE A BIG CASE OVER AT THE COURTHOUSE ALL OF THAT IS KIND OF BLOCKED OFF BECAUSE THEY CLOSE OFF ORANGE AND THEN AVENUE A IS THE ALTERNATIVE. I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I LIVE WITH THAT IS DO YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN FOR THAT? BECAUSE IF IT COMES TO AN ISSUE, YOUR DOORS COULD POTENTIALLY BE CLOSED AND THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR THE STUDENTS.
>> I HAVE THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN, BUT WHAT I WANT TO BRING UP IS YOU KNOW, IT'S A 20,000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING AND IS ZONED RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL WITH A LOT OF MORE USES THAT COULD GO IN THIS BUILDING THAT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE TRIPS THAN A SCHOOL WHICH WOULD ONLY HAVE PRETTY MUCH TRIPS FOR AN HOUR IN THE MORNING IN AN HOUR IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO I THINK THAT THIS IS RELATIVELY LOW INTENSIVE USE TRAFFIC WISE VERSUS A BUSINESS THAT WOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE TRAFFIC ALL DAY LONG AS WELL AS IN THE EVENING.
AND NOT EVEN DEAL WITH AVENUE A AT ALL.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A YEAR AND A HALF OF GETTING TO THIS POINT AND IRONING THIS -- THE DROP-OFF ISSUE WAS THE ISSUE
FOR THE LAST YEAR. >> BY THAT SAME TOKEN BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE SUCH A SMALL WINDOW OF WHEN THOSE CARS WILL BE GOING AND GOING IT COMPACTS THEM WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME.
WHEREAS IF THEY WERE SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE DAY, THOSE 200 TRIPS OR 400 IF A PARENT DROPPED OFF EACH CHILD THEY WOULD BE SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE DAY, BUT NOW IT'S COMPACT WITH THE HOUR AND A HALF IN THE MORNING AN HOUR AND A HALF IN THE AFTERNOON. SO IT KIND OF DEFEATS AGAINST YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE TRIPS, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THAT TIME FRAME, THEY ARE GOING TO BE STACKED.
SIMPLY THERE IS NO IF ANN'S OR BUTS ABOUT THAT.
IT'S JUST LIKE YOU SAY ABOUT HUMAN NATURE, THE PARENTS COMING OUT, THEY ARE PICKING UP THEIR KIDS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE STACKED OUT THERE. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARENTS THAT ARE PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF, INCLEMENT WEATHER, ANYTHING, THEY ARE GOING TO BE THERE FOR THEIR KIDS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE THERE WAITING, NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, PRIVATE SCHOOL, THEY ARE NOT WORKING PARENTS, TRYING TO BE THERE WITHIN 15 MINUTES, THEY ARE SITTING THERE WAITING FOR THE KIDS COME OUT. SO THEY ARE LITERALLY CREATING THIS ISSUE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
>> YES, AGAIN, THOSE ISSUES CAME UP ALSO, BUT I THINK THAT THE OPERATOR OF THE SCHOOL WOULD DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE AS THEY COME UP IF THEY COME UP. YOU CAN SPECULATE THAT.
BUT I MEAN, THEY HAVE EVERY INTENTION TO ONCE THE SAFETY OF THEIR STUDENTS TO BE THE PRIORITY, I MEAN, THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF A FOR-PROFIT SCHOOL, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SKIMP AND THEY ARE NOT, IT'S AS WELL OF THE MONEY INTO THIS BUILDING LETTUCE SALAD VAN GET TO FOR 25 AND 30 YEARS TO HELP REVITALIZE A PART OF DOWNTOWN THAT HAS BEEN NEGLECTED NOW FOR 25 OR 30 YEARS, SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THEY HAVE ADDRESSED THE CUT OFF SIGNIFICANTLY, BASING ON A CONTINGENCY AND IF THE CHURCH ONE DAY DECIDES TO CHOOSE NOT TO EXTEND THAT AS THE
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GENTLEMAN SPOKE, HE IS WITH THE CHURCH, WE HAVE MET WITH THEM MANY, MANY TIMES AND WE WORK TOGETHER WELL ON TRYING TO MAKETHINGS HAPPEN, SO -- >> CHURCH COUNCILS DO CHANGE.
CHURCH COUNCILS DO CHANGE. >> MR. CHAIR, BEFORE WE GO FORWARD, I JUST, I THINK THE CHURCH MEMBER? OKAY, SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST CONCERN, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PAUSE AND WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION OURSELVES OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO IT ON THE RECORD, BUT I GOT A LITTLE CONCERNED THEY MIGHT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ASK THEM ON THE RECORD? OR WE CAN TAKE A BRIEF RECESS AND HAVE A CONVERSATION OUT IN
THE HALLWAY? >> WE WILL TAKE A BRIEF RECESS.
>> THE CHAIR: WE WILL RECONVENE THE FORT PIERCE PLANNING MEETING MONDAY APRIL 13TH AFTER OUR BRIEF RECESS. WE SEE MR. WIDING IS STILL HERE.
>> WITH THE POSSIBLE APPEARANCE OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
I WILL STEP DOWN. AT THE POINT YOU ALL VOTE I WILL
NOT BE VOTING. >> THE CHAIR: UNDERSTOOD.
THANK YOU MR. WIDING. WE WERE, LET'S GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE HERE, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT BEFORE US DISCUSSING ITEM 6B WHICH IS A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION AT FUTURE SCHOLARS ACADEMY, WHERE WE WERE IN THE CONVERSATION WAS REGARDING THE SPECIFIC LEASE AGREEMENT.
MS. HEDGES, DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU NEED TO SEE IN THIS LEASE AGREEMENT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS APPLYING TO ALL OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED HERE?
>> MR. CHAIR, I WAS CONFUSED ON THE TWO DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS, BECAUSE THEY WERE BOTH POSTED ON THERE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SAME ONE AND OPERATING UNDER THE SAME TERMS OF WHAT IT MEANS.
I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS LEASE TO HAVE BEEN WRITTEN A LITTLE BIT BETTER. IT DOES NOT EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHERE THIS IS PARKING LOTWISE USUALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AT LEASING PROPERTY WILL HAVE LIKE A PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT IS THAT YOU ARE DOING.
SO WHEN WE SAY LOCATED AT 515 AVENUE A IT IS MAINLY TALKING ABOUT IN YOUR RECITALS, THE PLAYGROUND AREA.
IT THEN WHEN YOU GET INTO THE AGREEMENT PORTION, THERE IS KIND OF A THROW AWAY ABOUT THE PARKING FOR THE STUDENT ARRIVAL DROP-OFF AND PICKUP, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE MUCH DETAIL WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THIS LEASE AGREEMENT AS TO WHAT THAT IS AND WHAT IT MEANS. SO TO YOUR POINT, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF CONTROL IN THIS AGREEMENT, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT OUTLINE MUCH RELATED TO THE PARKING.
IT IS VERY HEAVY ON THE PLAYGROUND, BUT VERY LIGHT ON THE PARKING. SO YOU COULD FASHION CONDITIONS TO TRY AND PROTECT AGAINST THAT RELATED TO HAVING TO FOLLOW THE MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S GOING TO BE A DOUBLE STACK, I THINK THAT I WAS TOLD MAYBE TEN CARS COULD FIT IN THE STACK.
I'M NOT SURE ALL OF THOSE SPECIFICS, BUT THERE IS NOT A LOT IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT CONTROLS HOW THIS PARKING IS GOING TO HAPPEN OR THE DROP-OFF. SO I THINK THEY ARE PROVIDING IT MAINLY TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF CONTROL OVER THAT AREA. IF YOU ALL ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE PLAN OF HOW THE DROPPING OFF IS GOING TO BE EFFECTUATED FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, YOU ALL COULD CREATE CONDITIONS ON YOUR APPROVAL TO DO THAT, TO YOUR POINT OF IF THIS AGREEMENT GOES AWAY, I THINK THAT YOU COULD CREATE AN EGG CONDITION THAT SAYS IF THE AGREEMENT GOES AWAY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PLAN IN PLACE, BUT THEN THAT GOES TO YOUR POINT THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PLAN IS, SO I DON'T HAVE GREAT ANSWERS FOR YOU, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT IF YOU ALL ARE NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT EXISTS CURRENTLY, YOU CAN TABLE THIS AND ASKED THEM TO COME BACK WITH BETTER PLANS FOR YOU TO INCLUDE HOW TO HANDLE IF YOU'RE PARKING STARTS BACKING UP, IF YOUR LEASE AGREEMENT GOES AWAY, WHAT ARE THEIR SECONDARY PLANS, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE MUCH IS HAMMERED OUT BY WAY OF THAT, SO YOU DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.
>> IF WE WERE TO GIVE THEM -- IF WE WERE TO TABLE THIS ITEM
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AND GIVE THEM A DIRECTIVE TO COME BACK WITH STRONGER LANGUAGE IN A LEASE AGREEMENT, IS THERE LANGUAGE THAT YOU COULD RECOMMEND OR PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE APPLICANT FOR WAYS THAT THEY COULD REVISE THIS LEASE AGREEMENT TO BE MORE ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR?>> I CANNOT ADVISE THEM, BECAUSE I CANNOT GIVE THEM LEGAL ADVICE, BUT WHAT I CAN ADVISE YOU IS WHAT YOU ALL WOULD WANT TO BE LOOKING FOR IS RELATED TO ACTUAL AREAS THAT ARE BEING COVERED BY THIS LEASE AGREEMENT, SO RIGHT HERE JUST AS THE PARKING AREA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS JUST FROM THIS LEASE AGREEMENT WITHOUT YOU ATTACHING SOME SORT OF IMAGE TO SEE WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THIS LEASE AGREEMENT DOES NOT DISCUSS FLOW, WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO FLOW.
SO I THINK THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO BE LOOKING FOR SPECIFICS OF WHAT ARE THEY ACTUALLY AUTHORIZING YOU TO DO.
BECAUSE IT JUST SAYS STUDENT PICKUP AND DROP-OFF IT SAYS STUDENT ARRIVAL AND DISMISSAL INCLUDING DROP-OFF AND PICKUP SUBJECT TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT, BUT AS I READ THROUGH THIS, THERE WERE NO TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE AGREEMENT FOR PICKUP AND DROP-OFF, IT'S MAINLY RELATED TO THE PLAYGROUND AREA USAGE.
SO THERE'S NOT TIME FRAMES IN HERE, DAYS OF THE WEEK, WHAT TIME CAN THEY BEGIN DROPPING OFF AN END DROPPING OFF, NOW, I SAY THIS, BUT THAT MAY NOT BE IMPORTANT TO YOU ALL, BECAUSE YOU CAN FASHION THOSE CONDITIONS IN YOUR APPROVAL, SO THEN IF THIS LEASE AGREEMENT DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT, THEN THEY CAN OPERATE, BUT IF IT IS ALREADY HAMMERED OUT IN THEIR LEASE AGREEMENT, YOU ALL OF NO QUESTION.
>> THE CHAIR: UNDERSTOOD. I WOULD SAY TO THE APPLICANT, THIS LEASE AGREEMENT SHOULD AT MINIMUM CLEARLY DEFINED THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PARKING LOT ITSELF.
ITS LOCATION, ITS -- WITH SOME SORT OF IMAGE OR SITE PLAN SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IN THE APPLICATION, AND TO MS. HEDGES POINT, I THINK THAT THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE OF HOW IT IS GOING TO BE USED AND WHAT TIMES IT IS GOING TO BE USED, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE CHURCH HAD AN EVENT DURING THE WEEK THAT OVERLAP TO A SCHOOL HOURS AND THEY HAD VEHICLES PARKED IN THE SPACES THAT YOU INTENDED TO USE FOR QUEUING, YOU LOST YOUR QUEUING SPACE. SO YOU GUYS NEED TO EFFECTIVELY OWN THE INTEGRITY OF THE PARKING LOT THAT YOU INTEND TO USE DURING THOSE TIMES AND THAT REALLY SHOULD BE BAKED INTO YOUR LEASE AGREEMENT OTHERWISE YOU JUST -- YOU COULD CREATE A PROBLEM WITH NO ILL INTENTION, BUT IT IS THEIR PROPERTY, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARK THEIR CARS ON IT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING WRITTEN DOWN AND AGREEMENT THAT SAYS THAT THEY CAN'T DURING THOSE TIMES.
AND YOU KNOW, I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED SOMETHING STRUCTURED WITH YOU OR OPTION B PLAN OF HOW YOU ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE THE SCHOOL SHOULD THE LEASE AGREEMENT EVER GO AWAY.
DOCUMENTED, DOCUMENTED SO THAT WE CAN PROCEED WITH APPROVAL OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE WITH CONFIDENCE.
>> OKAY, WE CAN REWORK THE LEASE, BUT I WANT TO BRING THIS UP, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE DISTRICT THAT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR OVER 30 YEARS, IT IS 20,000 SQUARE FEET, HAS 18 PARKING SPACES. TELL ME ONE BUSINESS THAT YOU CAN PUT IN THERE THAT WILL MEET ANY OF THIS CITY'S REQUIREMENTS? NOT ONE, PARKING REQUIRED FOR THAT BUILDING FOR A BUSINESS OFFICES, 67 SPACES, FOR RETAIL IS 100 SPACES, WHO CAN WE RENT US TO? WHAT CAN WE DO TO REVITALIZE THIS WITHOUT TEARING IT DOWN? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH HALF OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA OVER THERE BY ORANGE AND TENTH AND SEVENTH? WHERE THERE IS NO PARKING, THE COMMISSION ALREADY REDUCED THE PARKING BY 50% TRYING TO GET REDEVELOPMENT, AND HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN? IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS, NOTHING IS BEING REDEVELOPED.
WE HAVE SOMEONE COMING IN TRYING TO DO SOMETHING NICE THAT WE WORK WITH THE PLANNING, WE WORK WITH ENGINEERING, AND FINALLY GOT ENGINEERING ON BOARD, AND YOU KNOW, HALF ON BOARD, WE HAVE THE SAFETY PLAN FROM THE SCHOOL, WE HAVE A BACKUP TRANSPORTATION PLAN FROM THE SCHOOL, WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION TO HELP WITH THAT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THIS PROGRESSING, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN BAKING FOR OVER 25 YEARS THAT I KNOW OF.
SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH PARKING REGARDLESS OF WHAT TYPE OF USE IT IS GOING THERE.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE PROBLEMS ON ORANGE AVENUE.
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SO WE LOOPED IT AROUND TO AVENUE A, AND HOW DID THE POST OFFICE BECOME A FACILITY WITHOUT LITTLE MINIMUM PARKING? WHERE WAS THE GIVE AND TAKE ON THAT TOO THAT WE ARE NOT SEEING HERE? JUST BRINGING THINGS UP.>> THE CHAIR: I UNDERSTAND. YOU HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE, WE NEED AN APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE, THE VALIDATION OF WHETHER IT IS SUITABLE FOR A CONDITIONAL USE IS BASED ON THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS YOU ARE BRINGING FORWARD.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE MOST OF WHAT YOU NEED TO CONVINCE ME AT LEAST ME, I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF, THAT WE SHOULD APPROVE THIS CONDITIONAL USE, I THINK YOU HAVE A GREAT PLAN HERE, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD GO WRONG WITH IT AND I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO NOT HAVE A PLAN FOR IT.
IF THERE IS NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME, I THINK THAT WE CAN EXCUSE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I DO NEED TO OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> MR. CHAIR, BEFORE HE STEPS AWAY, YOU ARE IN AN ADVISORY BOARD, SO YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION. SO IF THE APPLICANT DOES NOT WANT TO COME BACK WITH AN UPDATED PLAN TO PROVIDE TO YOU ALL AND ONCE A VOTE TODAY, I DO THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE A VOTE TO EITHER PROVE OR RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, BUT I DO THINK WE WOULD NEED HIS INPUT ON WHETHER HE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A VOTE TODAY ON APPROVE OR DENY AS A RECOMMENDATION, OR IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO BASED ON THE BOARD'S COMMENTS COME BACK AT A
LATER DATE FOR RECONSIDERATION. >> IS THE QUESTION, WE GET DISAPPROVED WE HAVE TO START ALL OVER, RIGHT?
>> SO THIS BOARD IS ADVISORY, SO IF THEY RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COMMISSION THAT THEY DO NOT APPROVE YOUR CONDITIONAL USE, THEORETICALLY THIS CITY COMMISSION COULD DISAGREE WITH THEM AND STILL APPROVE IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A GAMBLING MAN YOU ARE, SO THAT WOULD KIND OF BE UP TO YOU, BUT TECHNICALLY THEY ARE ADVISORY, SO THE DECISION ULTIMATELY LIES
WITH THE CITY COMMISSION. >> OKAY, SO MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, CAN APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS FOR THE BACKUP TRANSPORTATION AND THE UPDATED LEASE WHICH WE CAN HAVE DONE
HOPEFULLY PRIOR TO COMMISSION? >> THE CHAIR: THAT IS A DISCUSSION THAT I NEED TO HAVE TO THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, BUT I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE DO THAT.
AT THIS TIME, I OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WANT TO SPEAK ON THE APPLICATION, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN KREISL, I AM NOT REPRESENTING
THIS ITEM, I AM BEFORE YOU -- >> CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME.
>> LESLIE OLSON, SO BUSINESS ADDRESS 1:30 SOUTH INDIAN RIVER DRIVE DOWNTOWN FOUR PIERCE. I HAVE SOME DEGREE OF EXPERTISE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE AND USED TO SERVICE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, AND I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND ABOUT DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE AND ABOUT ITS REVITALIZATION AND ITS REDEVELOPMENT, AND THE THINGS THAT MAKE IT SPECIAL AND PART OF WHAT MAKES OUR DOWNTOWN AREA SPECIAL IS THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PARKING.
IF THERE WAS ENOUGH PARKING, IT WOULD NOT BE SPECIAL, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ALL PARKING. AND SO IF WE WANT TO REVITALIZE AND IMPROVE AND ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT AND THE PURCHASE OF THESE OLD BUILDINGS BY PEOPLE LIKE MR. TARR WHO ARE TRYING TO REVITALIZE THEM AND GET NEW BUSINESSES IN THERE, WE HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE IS NOT A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS, ALTHOUGH IT IS HARD TO THINK ABOUT A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, BUT YOU HAVE ON STREET PARKING, AND ON STREET PARKING ON ORANGE AVENUE WHERE THESE STREETS WERE DESIGNED TO BE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED TO ALLOW ON STREET PARKING AS WELL AS WITHIN PARKING LOTS IF THERE IS AN ACCEPTABLE LEASE AGREEMENT REACHED WITH THE FIRST CHURCH, THIS REALLY PROVIDES A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOMETHING IN THAT BUILDING. I REMEMBER LAST TIME THIS BUILDING WAS OCCUPIED IT WAS LIKE A USED FURNITURE PLACE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT, GREAT STUFF IN THERE, BUT IT HAS BEEN YEARS SINCE MR. TARR HAS BEEN ABLE TO PUT ANYONE IN HERE. AND I WOULD JUST ASK THE BOARD
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TO CONSIDER THAT THIS IS NOT A GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT, AND NONE OF OUR OLD STUFF IS GOING TO MEET CODE, SO FINDING THE BEST WAY TO WORK AROUND IT WHILE ENCOURAGING THE REDEVELOPMENT OF OUR SPECIAL PLACES JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO,THANK YOU. >> THE CHAIR: THANK YOU, MISS OLSON. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS T TIME, AND THEN I WILL SEND IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
SO FIRST OF ALL, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL POINTS OF DISCUSSION THAT YOU WANT TO BRING UP ABOUT THIS APPLICATION?
>> I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS A TIME CONSTRAINT FOR THIS APPROVAL IN ORDER FOR THE SCHOOL TO MOVE FORWARD, BY A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME THAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE THIS IN ORDER FOR THE SCHOOL TO BE IN PLACE FOR THE UPCOMING SCHOOL YEAR, IF THAT MAKES SENSE? AND I GUESS THAT'S AN APPLICANT QUESTION AS I WAS LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION.
SO THAT COULD ALSO I THINK FOR ME PLAY A PART IN A DECISION TO BE MADE AS FAR AS HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS APPLICANT.
>> THE CHAIR: SO TO ME THE QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS DO WE TABLE THIS AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH YOU KNOW, MAY BE STRONGER POSITION POSITION IN OUR LEASE AGREEMENT AND A DEFINED BACKUP PLAN IN RIDING AS A PART OF THEIR APPLICATION OR DO WE TRUST IT TO CONDITIONS AND RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD? MY POSITION IS I WANT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE. I AGREE WITH MISS OLSON'S SENTIMENT. IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT CAN GO IN THIS BUILDING WITH THE CONSTRAINTS OF PARKING DOWNTOWN IN THIS PART OF FORT PIERCE, BUT YOU KNOW, I AM -- AGAIN, WE ARE TYING THE CONDITIONAL USE TO THIS LEASE AGREEMENT AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF THIS LEASE AGREEMENT GOES AWAY THAT IT WOULD BECOME A CONFLICT FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE AND IF IT DID NOT, THEN THAT WOULD BE A HUGE OVERSIGHT. LIKE IF AN APPLICANT COMES FORWARD AND SAYS, WELL, I'M GOING TO HAVE THIS, AND THAT'S WHAT I CAN DO THIS CONDITIONAL USE, AND THEN THAT THING GOES AWAY, IF THAT DOES NOT AFFECT THE FUNCTION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE, THAN WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE ORDINANCE? SO I NEED YOUR INPUT, ARE WE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH YOU KNOW, CONDITIONS? OR DO WE WANT THEM TO PREPARE
MORE AND COME BACK TO US? >> WHAT TYPE OF CONDITIONS AND HOW WE WORD IT TO INCLUDE THEM GETTING A NEW LEASE AGREEMENT AS WELL AS A BACKUP PLAN? WHAT TYPE OF WORDING WOULD WE USE THAT WE CAN HOLD THEM TO? I GUESS THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN, HOW MUCH CAN WE PUT IN DETAILS IN OUR CONDITIONS THAT
WOULD MAKE IT LEGAL? >> THE CHAIR: IT'S A GOOD
QUESTION. >> IF WE ARE ADJUSTING THE LEASE AGREEMENT, BECAUSE THAT IS A LEGAL DOCUMENT, AND IF ALL OF THOSE ARE IN THERE AND REQUIRING IT, HOW MUCH CAN WE ACTUALLY PUT IN THERE? AS A CONDITION?
>> THE CHAIR: I THINK THE ISSUE IS WHAT DOES CITY COMMISSION GET TO SEE, WHAT IS PRESENTED TO CITY COMMISSION? IS IT THIS APPLICATION AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW? OR IS IT THIS APPLICATION WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES THOSE ADDITIONAL PIECES OF INFORMATION AS IS PRESENTED TO CITY COMMISSION? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ASKING FOR THOSE THINGS IS CONDITIONS PRIOR TO CO OR WHATEVER THAT IS IS WHERE YOU ARE GOING.
THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE SEEN AND ADDRESSED BY CITY COMMISSION.
SO MY THOUGHTS WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE HINGED ON THOSE OUTSTANDING PIECES OF INFORMATION AND DESCRIBED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY AND TO OURSELVES BEING INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION WHEN IT IS PRESENTED TO CITY COMMISSION.
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THAT WAY THEY CAN CONTINUE THROUGH AND STAFF WILL BE THE GATEKEEPERS OF THAT UNTIL THOSE PIECES OF INFORMATION ARE PROVIDED TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION.>> THE CHAIR: IS IT NECESSARY TO ADD TO OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL THE CONDITION THAT AT THE CONDITIONAL USE OF APPROVAL IS LEASING IT BEING ACTIVE? IS IT NECESSARY FOR US TO STATE
THAT? >> YES, THAT IS A CONDITIONAL USE, THAT IS WHAT IS PRESENTED. AND AS YOU STATED IF THAT GOES AWAY AT ANY TIME, THEN THE CONDITIONAL USE AS IMPROVED IS NOT VALID. HOWEVER, IF THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES PRESENTED THAT CITY COMMISSION CAN SEE AS ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS IF THAT AT THE MOMENT THOSE -- THAT AGREEMENT WITH THE CHURCH TO USE THAT GOES AWAY, THERE ARE MULTIPLE THINGS THAT HAPPEN IF THAT LEASE AGREEMENT GOES AWAY, THERE IS A LOSS OF THE PLAYGROUND AND ESSENTIALLY I THINK, AND LOSS OF THE PARKING, THE TWO ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS FOR THE DROP-OFF, THE TWO ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS OF WHAT THE SCHOOL
REQUIRES TO FUNCTION. >> THE CHAIR: AS THE APPLICATION STANDS NOW ASSUMING IT WENT THROUGH APPROVAL THROUGH THE CITY COMMISSION, IF THE LEASE AGREEMENT WAS DISSOLVED, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS THIS CONDITIONAL
USE? >> NO, UNLESS THEY HAD A BACKUP SOLUTION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AND APPROVED?
>> WHAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK HERE TO REESTABLISH THAT USE?
>> NOT NECESSARILY IF THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY CONDITION TO BE ATTACHED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE AND THEY APPROVE THAT BACKUP AGREEMENT WHENEVER THAT IS. AND ENABLE THAT SCHOOL TO FUNCTION, THEN THAT CONDITIONAL USE WOULD BE CONDITIONED ON NOT
BEING IN PLACE. >> THE CHAIR: OKAY.
I AM -- SO I AM LEANING TOWARDS TWO CONDITIONS HERE. ONE IS -- AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE WORDING HERE, BUT I WANT TO BETTER PROTECTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT IN THAT LEASE AGREEMENT, CLEARLY DEFINING THE BOUNDARIES AND THE TIMING USE THAT THE FUNCTIONAL USE AND ALSO TO ESTABLISH THAT THEY HAVE A BACKUP PLAN IN RIDING THAT IS A PART OF THE APPLICATION SO THAT IF THAT LEASE AGREEMENT EVER DOES GET DISSOLVED, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK HERE. THEY HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE.
IT IS STATED. THEY CAN EXECUTE AND CONTINUE TO OPERATE WITHOUT ANY SORT OF LAPSE OR INTERRUPTION TO THEIR OPERATION. IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET ON ONE OF THESE AGENDAS. SO YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE THEIR SCHOOL WHILE THEY ARE WAITING TO FIGURE OUT. DOES EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD
FEEL -- >> HOW DO WE STOP THAT FROM GOING -- HOW DO WE PREVENT US FROM GOING TO THE COMMISSIONERS WITHOUT THOSE THINGS BEING --
>> CONDITION YOUR APPROVAL BASED ON THESE THINGS BEING ATTACHED
PRIOR TO -- >> THAT'S ENOUGH OF A CONDITION?
>> THE TWO CONDITIONS WILL BE WORDED SUCH THAT PRIOR TO PRESENTATION TO CITY COMMISSION, THIS -- WHATEVER IT IS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED.
>> I HAVE A SUGGESTION. >> THE CHAIR: YES, MR. HILL.
>> I DON'T SEE WHAT WOULD BE A SECOND OPTION BECAUSE I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, BUT WHAT IF IT STATED THAT THE LEASE -- SO SEES IS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE
TRANSPORTATION FOR ALL STUDENTS. >> THE CHAIR: THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS STATING. IN THE DESCRIPTION THERE WERE SOME VIABILITY TO WHAT THE APPLICANT HAD IN MIND.
IT IS JUST NOT A PART OF THE APPLICATION.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS KIND OF THE STICKING POINT.
IT'S NOT THAT THEY HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF IT.
IT IS JUST WE NEED TO CLEARLY DEFINE HOW MANY BUSES WILL YOU NEED. WHERE WERE THOSE VEHICLES COME FROM? THOSE DETAILS SHOULD BE FLUSHED OUT AT LEAST TO SOME LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT TO THAT OF THE COMMISSION CAN BE CONFIDENT MOVING FORWARD THAT THIS IS A REAL PLAN. THAT IT IS EXECUTABLE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO CAUSE ISSUES WITH THEIR OPERATION SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN WITH THE LEASE AGREEMENT. I AM GOING TO TRY TO TAKE A STAB AT SOME CONDITIONAL LANGUAGE HERE.
CONDITION 1, PRIOR TO PRESENTATION OF THIS APPLICATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION, THE LEASE AGREEMENT WILL BE REVISED TO CLEARLY DEFINE THE LOCATION BOUNDARIES OF THE PARKING LOT TO USE AND TIME OF OPERATION AND SIGNED BY BOTH PARTIES.
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CONDITION TWO, THAT PRIOR TO PRESENTING FOR THE CITY COMMISSION, THIS APPLICATION WILL INCLUDE A BACKUP PLAN, PLAN B FOR DROP-OFF AND PICKUP SHOULD THE LEASE AGREEMENT TO BE DISSOLVED. AND THE MORE DETAIL YOU CAN PROVIDE THEM, I THINK THE BETTER THE CHANCES THAT THEY WILL BE FEELING GOOD ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.WOULD YOU MAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS TO THAT LANGUAGE?
>> NONE FOR THE LANGUAGE I DON'T THINK UNLESS THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS ANY OTHER CONCERNS WITH THOSE?
>> NO, SIR, I THINK THE COMMISSION WILL BE EQUALLY AS DISCERNING AS YOU ALL HAVE BEEN. SO IF THERE ARE ANY OF THOSE CONDITIONS, THEY CAN ALSO ALTER THEM ON THEIR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WHEN THEY SEE IT IF THEY WANT ADDITIONAL, THEY CAN
PUT THOSE IN PLACE AS WELL. >> THE CHAIR: THANK YOU.
>> ALL OF THE ADDITIONS ARE ATTACHED TO THIS APPROVAL.
>> THE CHAIR: CORRECT. SO THIS WOULD BE
CONDITIONS 7 AND 8. >> I AM LOOKING AT CONDITION 4, THAT MIGHT NOT BE REQUIRED IF THEY PROVIDE THAT ALTERNATIVE.
I AM NOT SURE. >> THE ALTERNATIVE HE IS REQUESTING IS IF THE LEASE IS RESOLVED FOR THE DAY-TO-DAY
OPERATION. >> YES, WE WILL LET THOSE SIX
STAND AND ADD THE OTHER TWO. >> THE CHAIR: CONDITION 4 IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT IS A GREAT PLAN, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO HAND IT OVER TO THE USERS AND THEY MIGHT NOT EXECUTE IT WELL AND YOU COULD HAVE COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR OTHER MOTORISTS AND STUFF. SO NUMBER 4 IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE IN THERE AS WELL. ALL RIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NINE, I WOULD ENTERTAIN
A MOTION AT THIS TIME? >> I AM MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITHIN
>> THE CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH EIGHT CONDITIONS BY MS. CLEMONS, SECOND BY MR. EDWARDS.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> MR. JOHNSON?
>> YES. >> THE CHAIR: ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON. MR. JOHNSON POINTED OUT THAT AS IT COMES TO TIME, WE MIGHT BE MAKING UP FOR THE FACT THAT WE
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DID NOT HAVE A MEETING LAST MONTH.WE HAVE ITEM 6C JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL.
THAT AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS, ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT I BRING FOR YOU A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL, THE APPLICANT IS ASSOCIATES LAND PLAN REPRESENTED BY MIKE MCCARTY, THE BISHOP OF THE DIOCESE OF PALM BEACH, I.D. ADDRESS 407 SOUTH 33RD STREET, AND HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING OF 45,159 SQUARE FEET TO AN EXISTING SITE, JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL IS SEEKING AN APPROVAL TO ACCESS THAT BUILDING FOR ACADEMIC AND ADMINISTRATIVE USE. HERE IS A SITE LOCATION, THE OVERALL SITE LOCATION SITE AREA IS 17.49 ACRES GIVE OR TAKE AND I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED OUTLINED IN YELLOW THE PROPOSED AREA FOR THE NEW ADDITIONAL BUILDING. FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PROPERTY IS RM RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM, ZONING IS OUR 4 CD LAND RESIDENTIAL.
SITE PLAN DETAILS WITH THE BUILDING OVERALL WOULD BE 45,159 SQUARE FEET WITH THREE FLOORS PLUS AID TERRORISTS BEING -- AND A TERRACE BEING PROPOSED, 155 FOR BUS SPACES IN TWO RETENTION PONDS. HERE IS A PHOTO OF THE PROPOSED
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BUILDING DESIGN WITH SOME OF THE COLOR RENDERINGS.ADDITIONAL PHOTOS UP CLOSE. AND SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL.
FOR ADDITIONAL DETAILS WITH 132 TREES PROPOSED TO BE ADDED TO THE SITE IN ADDITION TO TREES THERE WILL BE 2207 SHRUBS ADDED TO THE LANDSCAPING DETAIL. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING SIX CONDITIONS, ONE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A FINER CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY,E NOTARIZED AND SUBMITTED TO A SITES DEVELOPMENT PERMIT REQUIRED WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
AND A LAND CLEARING PERMIT MUST BE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED PRIOR TO THE SUBMISSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT WITH CITY OF FORT PIERCE. TREE REMOVAL PERMANENT FIVE, ALL SIGN PERMITS SHALL BE FILED SEPARATELY.
SIX, DEMOLITION PERMITS ARE REQUIRED PRIOR -- PRIOR TO THE PSYCH EVALUATION PERMITS. ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH ADDITIONAL OR MODIFIED CONDITIONS OR TWO, RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WELCOME BACK MR. WIDING.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT.
>> HEARING THEN WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
PLEASE SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? NICE TO SEE YOU ALL. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS PROJECT. I WANT TO FIRST INTRODUCE THE TEAM. THE ARCHITECTS ARE HERE WITH US INTO THE PHENOMENAL JOB. I ALSO WANT TO INTRODUCE THE ENGINEERING TEAM HERE IN THE BACK.
WE HAVE BEEN HELPED THROUGH THE PROCESS.
I ALSO WANT TO INTRODUCE THE PRESIDENT OF JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL. EXCITED BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE I GRADUATED. IT'S GOOD TO BE A PART OF SOMETHING AND IT WILL MAKE A LASTING IMPRESSION.
JOHN CARROLL WAS VERY IMPACTFUL IN MY LIFE AND I LOOK FORWARD FOR MY CHILDREN TO ATTEND THERE. MY DAUGHTER WILL BE A FRESHMAN NEXT YEAR. I WILL JUMP INTO THE DETAILS AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE THIS SHORT AND SWEET.
>> HERE WE GO. BEFORE YOU IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT CONDITIONAL USE.
IT PROPOSES A NEW THREE-STORY, 45,000159 SQUARE-FOOT ACADEMIC ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING REPLACING OUTDATED CLASSROOMS AND PORTABLES TO MODERNIZE THE FACILITY AND ENHANCE SAFETY.
IT ALSO IMPROVES CAMPEN'S FUNCTIONALITY.
12,000 SQUARE FEET UPBUILDING WILL BE DEMOLISHED TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW BUILDING AND REMOVE THE PORTABLE CLASSROOMS, THAT WILL OCCUR ONCE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE.
SITE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE STORMWATER TREATMENT SYSTEMS, PAVED PARKING, IMPROVE CIRCULATION, NEW LANDSCAPING, SIDEWALKS, PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AND IMPROVED ADA ACCESSIBILITY.
THIS IS A RENDERED GRAPHIC OF ONCE COMPLETED.WILL LOOK LIKE-
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AS WELL AS THE TREE IS CONSTRUCTED AND IN MATURITY.YOU WILL SEE THIS AS AN EXISTING CONDITION SLIDE AND I WANT TO KIND OF HELP YOU, IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT WHERE THIS ARIEL SHOWS A RED OUTLINED BOX THESE ARE THREE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
THEY WERE PUT IN PLACE OVER 50 YEARS AGO AND THEY ARE OLD.
I REMEMBER GOING INTO THAT JIM AND IT STILL SMELLS LIKE DIRTY FEET. IT'S TIME FOR THAT TO BE REPLACED. WE ARE GOING TO REPLACE THE STRUCTURES. YOU WILL SEE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE THE CONFIGURATION OF SOME OF THE PARKING AND THE LOOP AND ENTRY. IT'S INADEQUATE.
IT'S NOT ACCOMMODATING TO LARGER VEHICLES AND WE ARE GOING TO RELOCATE IT AND DELETE ONE OF OUR POINTS OF ACCESS REDUCING IT TO TWO ONLY AND WE'RE GOING TO DO WILL HOLD NEW PARKING FIELD AND BRING UP THE COMPLIANCE AND STORMWATER.
SO HERE'S THE SITE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'VE IMPROVE THE CIRCULATION IN COMPARISON TO WHAT YOU JUST SAW, WITH CIRCULATION PATTERNS AND IS DEFINED TRAVEL LANES WITH IMPROVED PAVED SURFACES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PARKING UNDERNEATH TREES, ON TOP OF TREE ROOTS, IT'S KIND OF A DISASTER.
WE ARE ALSO IMPROVING SOME OF THE CIRCULATION PATTERNS SOME OF THE TREE AS ON-SITE WERE DISEASED AND OLD AND IMPACTED, HAT WRACKED WITH VEHICLES PARKING ON THEM CAN'T WE'VE HAD ARBORISTS IN OUR LANDS AND HAD ARCHITECTS ON SITE.
SOME OF OUR LANDSCAPE DETAILS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
RICK GONZALEZ. DOWNTOWN WEST PALM BEACH.
CHRISTINE MERRILL IS A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER.
WE ARE HAPPY TO BE HERE WORKING ON THE -- AT THE PARISH AND HERE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL PRESENTING A DESIGN THAT WAS INFORMED WITH FIVE DESIGN PRINCIPLES WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE.
WE DO A LOT OF HISTORICAL RESERVATION IN OUR OFFICE AND THE SITE HAS SOME BEAUTIFUL MID CENTURY MODERN BUILDINGS OH WE'RE HOPING TO USE AS INSPIRATION AND WE LOOKED AT WAYS OF BRINGING NOT IN. THE RHYTHM OF THE BUILDING, IT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE NEW DESIGN OF THE BUILDING TO CONTINUE WITH A GOOD ORGANIZATION AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE UPPER RENDERING, AND SOFT CLAY AND SAND COLORS.
AND WE HAD A STRONG ROOFLINE AND FOR THE SPECIAL SPACES WITHIN THE SCHOOL AND AREAS OF SOCIAL AND LEARNING AREAS WITH A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY AND GLASS WITH THE ACTUAL CLASSROOMS. FINALLY THE FIFTH DESIGN ITEM WAS TO HAVE THE CHAPEL BE AN ANCHOR THAT GOES UP IN THE SKY AND YOU CAN SEE THE ROUND ELEMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT TALLER WHICH ALLOWS FOR A HIGH CEILING.
>> THIS IS A CLOSE UP AS YOU APPROACH THE ENTRY, WITH THE LINE UP ABOVE THE ENTRY. IT'S AN EASY WAY TO FIND A NEW
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ENTRY. THE OLD ENTRY WILL STILL BE THERE. THE BOTTOM RENDERING IS A PICTURE FROM THE EXISTING COURTYARD THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE COMMON AREAS OVERLOOKING THE COURTYARD.AND THEN ADDITIONAL VIEWS OF THE UPPER RENDERING IN ON THE LEFT IS THE ADDITION AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE EXISTING SCHOOL.
WE DID A NOTCH THERE BETWEEN THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND IT'S CLEARLY DEFINED WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL AND WHICH IS THE NEW BUILDING AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WHERE THE TWO BUILDINGS MEET THE BOTTOM RENDERING THIS FROM THE PLAYFIELD SHOWING YOU THE NEW
, I WILL GO BACK OVER HERE. >> MAKING IT MORE APPEALING TO HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO GO TO SCHOOL, PRIVATE SCHOOLS, CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS WITH A VOUCHER PROGRAM. WE DO A LOT OF WORK FOR THE DIOCESE OF PALM BEACH. WE ARE DOING A BAPTIST SCHOOL AS WELL. PRIVATE SCHOOLS AS WELL.
IT'S GREAT TO HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CHILDREN IN SOUTH FLORIDA. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WILL BE BACK HERE AND I WILL LET MICHAEL FINISH THIS
WE REQUEST RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION TO CITY COUNCIL WHICH HAS DEMONSTRATED COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. CITY STAFF HAVE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION AND BEFORE WE ANY QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE PRESIDENT OF JOHN CARROLL TO SHARE HER WORK.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL. I WANT TO OUT A COUPLE DETAILS.
WE ARE CELEBRATING OUR 60TH ANNIVERSARY ON DELAWARE AVENUE.
WE HAVE FAITHFULLY SERVED THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND GENERATIONS OF FAMILIES. OUR GOAL WITH THIS PROJECT IS TO SECURE THE FOUNDATION OF OUR SCHOOL FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
I'M A PROUD JOHN CARROLL GRADUATE AS ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE ON HER TEAM AND WE ARE THINKING ABOUT HER OWN CHILDREN AND THEIR
CHILDREN AND THE IMPACT IT HAS. >> WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
WE ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS BUT IF NOT A RECOMMENDATION OF
APPROVAL WOULD BE APPRECIATED. >> QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? HEARING NONE, MY ONLY GENERAL QUESTION IS IN REGARDS TO THE TWO-YEAR SEE COMMENTS. WE DIDN'T SEE ANY RESPONSIVE DOCUMENTS. I GUESS MAYBE THIS IS MORE A QUESTION FOR STAFF BUT ARE THERE ANY TWO-YEAR SEE COMMENTS NOT YET RESOLVED THAT ARE STICKING POINTS AT THIS STAGE?
>> ALL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.
ANY COMMENTS OUR NOT RESOLVED ARE LISTED IN THE CONDITIONED
IF IS NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS I WOULD OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE TODAY WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. PLEASE GO FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
SEEING NONE I WILL SEND IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
ANY FINAL DISCUSSION? HEARING THAT I WOULD ENTERTAIN A
MOTION AT THIS TIME. >> MOVE TO APPROVE THE
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH SIX CONDITIONS BY MISS CARTER, SECONDED BY JOHNSON.
PLEASE START THE ROLE. >> MISS CARTER.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
[d. PZSITE2026-00001 Major Site Plan Amendment Amazon Distribution Center 2300 S. Kings Highway]
>> THINK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE ARE MOVING ONTO ITEM 6D,
AMAZON DISTRIBUTION CENTRE. >> CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME?
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BEFORE WE GET STARTED THIS HAS BEEN A LONG MEETING BUT IT'S BEEN EXCITING. [LAUGHTER] HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, AND EXPANSION OF A SCHOOL AND POSSIBLY ANOTHER SCHOOL DOWNTOWN WHICH IS EXCITING GROWTH AND I'M GLAD WE TALK ABOUT GROWTH BECAUSE ALL THOSE NEW FAMILIES ARE GOING TO NEED SOMEWHERE TO WORK.I BRING YOU CLEMONS -- PZSITE2025-00043 FOREIGN AMAZON DISTRIBUTION CENTRE. THE OWNER APPLICANT IS SCANNELL PROPERTIES #533 LLC REPRESENTED BY JEFF IRAVANI, INC.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A MAJOR SITE PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A 1.1 MILLION-SQUARE-FOOT REFRIGERATED WAREHOUSE AND OFFICE BUILDING WITH ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS ON A 69.19 ANCHOR -- ON A 69.19 ACRES LOCATED AT 2300 S. KINGS HIGHWAY.
THE PROJECT IS ANTICIPATED TO CREATE 740 NEW PERMANENT JOBS.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED -- IT IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND IS BOUND BY SOUTH KINGS HIGHWAY ON THE LAST, WYATT WROTE ON THE NORTH AND PETER'S ROAD ON THE EAST.
THE PROJECT CONTAINS 69.9 ANCHORS OF A LARGER 107.69-ACRE TRACT IN THE SITE WAS RECENTLY SUBDIVIDED INTO THREE PARCELS ADMINISTRATIVELY UNDER A SEPARATE APPLICATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF ZEROS. THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ZONING FOR OUR FUTURE LAND USE WHICH HAS A GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND IT IS SOWN CP ONE COMMERCIAL PARK WHERE. THE PROPERTY WAS PREVIOUSLY REZONED IN AUGUST 2021 UNDER ORDINANCE 21 -- 025 TO ITS CURRENT DESIGNATION AND LATER THAT YEAR IN SEPTEMBER MAJOR SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED TO CONSTRUCT TWO BUILDING TOTALING 485,000 SQUARE FEET. PRIOR TO 21 THERE WERE SEVERAL PARCELS THAT WERE COMBINED TO MAKE THIS LARGER PARCEL WHICH WERE ZONED C-3 NTU TO. -- C3 AND E2.
THERE IS AN ALLOWANCE OF A FLOOR TO AREA RATIO SO BUILDING TO LAND AREA OF 1.0. THE PROPOSAL IS WELL BELOW THIS AS 0.36 AND YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING LAND USE CATEGORIES IN COUNTY AND CITY, WITH THE FEW RESIDENTIAL TRACKS.
>> THE ZONING CODE IS CP ONE AND THE WAREHOUSE AND FREIGHT ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE ZONING DISTRICT AND OFFICE IS ACCESSORY TO THE MAIN USE. 70,080 SQUARE FEET WITH THAT 1,010,080 WILL BE -- THERE'S A LOT OF ZEROS.
IT WOULD BE A REFRIGERATED WAREHOUSE.
OVERALL THE PAVING AND PARKING ON THE SITE REPRESENT 24.17 ACRES BUT THAT COMES WITH 20.36 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE WHICH CONSISTS OF RETENTION PONDS AND BIO SWELLS, LAKES OUT FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AND LANDSCAPE MOSTLY CONSISTING AROUND THE BORDER AND THE BOUNDARY OF THE SITE.
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I WANT TO MENTION TRAFFIC IS A BIT NUTS ON THIS PROJECT.TWO MAN TYPES THAT WILL OCCUR. BIG TRUCK.
SEMIS. THEY WILL ENTER FROM THE SOUTH ACCESS POINT BETWEEN LAKES TWO AND THREE AND CIRCULATE COUNTERCLOCKWISE AND ONE WAY AROUND THE SITE TO ASK IT OUT ONTO WHITE ROAD. THERE ARE SIGNALIZATION PROPOSED THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW FOR THE INTERSECTION OF KINGS AND WHITE ROAD SO THAT THAT BECOMES A LITTLE MORE EASY TO GO NORTH OR SOUTH. EMPLOYEES WILL -- AND VISITORS WILL CIRCULATE INTO THIS DRIVEWAY BETWEEN LAKES ONE AND TWO. THERE IS AND I WILL GET THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER BUT THERE'S A MEDIAN ALONG KINGS HIGHWAY ALONG THIS AREA SO YOU WON'T HAVE ANY SOUTHBOUND IN TRAFFIC CONTROL NORTH INTO THE SITE AND NORTH OUT OF THE SITE THE BUILDING DESIGN REPRESENTS I BELIEVE WHAT WE CALL THE MODERN MASONRY, IS OUT THE WORD? OKAY.
WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS.
IN FRONT OF YOU ARE NORTH SOUTH EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS SO JUST TO GET AN IDEA THE WEST ELEVATION WORKS AND WILL BE FACING ONTO KINGS HIGHWAY, ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN.
THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE WILL FACE ONTO PETER'S ROAD.
THIS WILL FACE ONTO WHITE ROAD AND A SOUTH ELEVATION WILL BE INTERNAL TO THIS SITE. JUST SOME IMAGES LOOKING SOUTHEAST FROM KINGS HIGHWAY AND WHITE ROAD INTERSECTION AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS PART OF THE COUNTY ROADWAY PERMANENT AS WELL AS THE FRONT ENTRY AND PARKING LOT.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTHEAST FROM THE SOUTHERN LAKE AND ACCESS DRIVE SO THIS IS I THINK LAKE THREE, THAT SOUTHERN TRUCK ENTRY WHICH WILL NEED TO JIMMY AROUND.
IT'LL TAKE TAKE A WHILE FOR THIS TO FILL IN.
THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE FOR EMPLOYEES AND VISITORS LOOKING EAST FROM KINGS HIGHWAY AT THE NORTHERN DRIVEWAY.
AS FOLLOWS A LARGE PARKING. AS FOR LANDSCAPE THERE'S A LOT OF IT. THE APPLICANT IN AND AROUND THE LAKES WILL HAVE PLANTINGS AND LARGE LIVE FOLKS AND THIEVES PONDS WILL BE AERATED. IT WILL KEEP THE WATER FRESH.
TO THE NORTH, ALONG THE NORTH SITE WILL BE DRY RETENTION AND ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE WILL BE ADDITIONAL RETENTION IN THE FORM OF A BIO SWELL AND ALONG THE PERIMETER YOU WILL HAVE A BUFFER EVENT WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME SCREENS.
A LOT OF LANDSCAPING IS DONE FOR THIS PROJECT -- WILL BE DONE.
THIS HAS BEEN COORDINATED WITH ALL DEPARTMENTS.
THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT WITH REGARDS TO CONSISTENCY WITH THE CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
GIVEN THE MAJOR -- GIVEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OF PREAPPROVAL.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE BOARD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE MAJOR SITE PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, IT REVIEW OF THE TREE MITIGATION CALCULATIONS PERFORMED AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT PERMIT COMPLIANCE REVIEW.
AN ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT, WITH THE REQUIRED -- DURING DEVELOPMENT. ALL SIGNAGE WILL BE PERMITTED SEPARATELY THROUGH BUILDING PERMITS ARE REQUIRED STATE AND
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FEDERAL AGENCY PERMITS WILL BE REQUIRED WITH COMPLIANCE REVIEW.WITH OVER RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMIT PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT OR THEY CAN RECOMMEND DENIAL. THAT IS MY PRESENTATION.
THE APPLICANT'S PRESIDENT AND HERE AND WILL PROVIDE A PRESENTATION BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS
YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> -- BETWEEN ONE AND TWO FOR THE EMPLOYEE -- CORRECT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> DOES THAT MEAN THEY WILL BE OVER 200 U-TURNS A DAY TO TRY TO COME FROM THE NORTHBOUND TO GET INTO THAT AREA? BECAUSE I WOULD BREAK SOUTH OF
THAT AREA? >> THERE IS A TRAFFIC STUDY ATTACHED TO THE APPLICATION BUT THAT SPECIFIC TURN I DON'T HAVE MEMORIZED AND I WOULD NEED TO CALL THAT UP.
>> THAT'S ONE-THIRD OF THE TOTAL NUMBERS.
>> I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS AND ANY OTHERS, KINGS HIGHWAY IS GOING TO BE BUSY.
SIGNALIZATION IS PROBABLY MORE THAN WARRANTED.
FORGET ABOUT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC. ADD BOTH OF THESE TOGETHER YOU NEED A SIGNAL THERE. I WOULD NOTE THERE IS THAT BREAK IN THE SITE, A LITTLE PEANUT THERE SO TRUCK SHOULD BE ABLE TO
TURN BUT THERE IS NO SUCH BREAK. >> FAIRS A NUMBER OF -- IT LOOKS LIKE THIS A SIDEWALK HERE IN THIS RENDERING BE.
>> IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE. THERE'S A SIDEWALK PATH THAT STARTS DOWN HERE SOUTH OF THE LAKE AND IT GOES THROUGH.
WITH THE CROSSWALK AND IT MEAGHER IS BACK AND FORTH JUST GOING ALONG THE ENTIRETY. THEN GOING AROUND AND BACK AND
AROUND. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THE COUNTY'S ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT? WHERE THEY ARE IN THE STAGES OF PLANNING?
>> I WILL DEFER TO THE APPLICANT BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN WORKING TO ENSURE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE PART OF THIS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
WE WILL CONTINUE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, I'M HERE.
WE HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION. VERY SIMILAR TO STAFF.
AS FAR AS THE WALKWAYS OR SIDEWALK WE HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT COMES IN FROM KINGS HIGHWAY. AND THEY DO HAVE SIDEWALK ACCESS AND ON A TRUCK PORTION WE DON'T WANT ANY SIDEBAR BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TRAFFIC AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY -- WHAT A GOOD-LOOKING SITE PLAN, RIGHT WE THE ACCESS FOR ASSOCIATE IS A RIGHT TURN IN AND OUT AND THERE IS A LEFT TURN LANE THAT'S ALREADY BUILT WITH WHITES AND KINGS HIGHWAY WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A U-TURN AND ALL OF THESE ARE CLIENT TO HAVE A RIGHT-HAND LANE AND AS FAR AS IMPROVEMENT GOES THIS WAS APPROVED FOR 1.6 MILLION, THIS IS THE NEW AND IMPROVED SITE AND
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IT'S ALREADY CONTRIBUTED. AND WE HAD A GENERAL RV.WE ALSO ARE CONSTRUCTING WHITE ROAD, I HAVE A BRONCO RAPTOR I CAN GET THROUGH THERE BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE ELSE CAN.
WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT A WIDE TWO-LANE PAVED ROAD AND IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE THE ENTRY AT THE INTERSECTION OF KINGS HIGHWAY WITH THE RIGHT HAND AND THE LEFT HAND.
AND WE ALSO OBLIGATED FOR THE SIGNAL WITH THE ABILITY TO BUILD THAT THING AND I ALSO WANT TO ADD AS A BY THE WAY I WANT TO THANK FOR A GREAT PRESENTATION. AMAZON IS TAKING THE 69 ACRES YOU SEE HERE AND THERE IS A POSSIBILITY FOR PHASE TWO AND THEY ARE A LOT OF INTERESTS AND THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE GOING TO.
AND THAT WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL 500 EMPLOYEES SO POTENTIALLY WE
HAVE THAT. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I SEE THERE WRITING SOMETHING
DOWN. >> AN EMPLOYEE APPROACHING FROM THE NORTH WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THE LEFT-HAND TURN OFF INTO THE EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT. THERE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN TO THIS AREA..
>> THERE IS ONE ON THE CROSSROADS, ALLOWING ONLY CERTAIN BASICALLY MEDIUM CAUGHT AND WE DO HAVE A LEFT TURN IN THE MEDIUM BUT THERE WOULD BE NO MEDIAN ACCESS BETWEEN RIGHTS ROAD AND THIS TRUCK. EMPLOYEES WOULD NEED TO GO SOUTH WITH LEFT-HAND STORAGE LANES FOR PEOPLE MAKING U-TURNS, AND ALL THE LEFT-HAND STORAGE IS ARE FOUND SUFFICIENT FOR OUR
IF THEY DECIDE TO GATED THEY WOULD NEED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENT INCLUDING U-TURNS AND SO FORTH. THIS PLAN DOES NOT HAVE ANY GATE
FOR EMPLOYEES. >> IS A POTENTIALLY COME IN WHERE THE TRUCKS ARE COMING INCREASE.
>> THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET ANYWHERE, AND THE TRUCK AREA, THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN PARKING AND THE TRAFFIC WILL GET
MIXED UP OTHERWISE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE
APPLICANT? >> THERE IS NO BACK ENTRANCE?
>> RIGHT. UNFORTUNATELY THAT AREA IS DESIGNATED FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC SO THEY WANT TO HAVE A DESIGNATED
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EXCLUSIVE ENTRY AND EXIT. >> UP SOUTH.
>> THEY KIND GO ON PETERS ROAD. EMPLOYEES.
>> YOU ARE SAYING THEY CAN MAKE A LEFT TURN ON WIRES THEN COME BACK AROUND. IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE A
U-TURN? >> THE EXITING EMPLOYEES WOULD MAKE A U-TURN AT WHITE AND KINGS IF THEY WANT TO GO SOUTHBOUND.
>> THOSE FINISHING THE SHIFT THAT CAME FROM THE SOUTH NEED TO
GO NORTH AND DO A U-TURN. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> SO IT'S COMING AND GOING. >> THEY ALL COME IN SHIFTS.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE -- >> WILL THIS HAVE DISTRIBUTION
SUCH AS AMAZON FANS WE. >> IT'S NOT A FULFILLMENT CENTER, IT'S MAINLY FOR REFRIGERATED AND COAL DISTRIBUTION, FOOD AND SO FORTH FOR WHOLE FOODS.
>> ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I WOULD OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION. SEEING NONE I WILL SEND IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT GEOGRAPHICALLY THIS PART OF FORT PIERCE IS -- IT SEEMS CUSTOM-BUILT FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY.
THE ACCESS OF 95 AND THE TURNPIKE, AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED GEOGRAPHICALLY COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE CITY I THINK IT'S A GOOD CHOICE OF DEVELOPMENT TO BE GOING IN WHERE IT'S GOING IN.
ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION
>> TRAFFIC FOR EMPLOYEES, IS THERE NO TRANSFER OF SECONDARY ENTRY EXIT? BESIDES U-TURNS.
>> I SEE THIS WITH A LOT OF THESE THINGS, THE APPLICANTS BOUND BY WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE AND THEY CAN ONLY HAVE SO MANY AND I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP HERE SO THE NEXT CROSS STREET SOUTH WHITE ROAD WOULD BE AT CROSSROADS, ARE NOT SURE IF THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU CAN TURN LEFT THERE.
I WOULD ASSUME. ALSO IF YOU ARE A PORCH -- UP -- APPROACHING FROM THE NORTH YOU CAN JUST TAKE A DIFFERENT STREET. THINK THE EMPLOYEES WILL FIGURE
THAT OUT EVENTUALLY. >> BUT IF THEY ARE COMING FROM
95.. >> I SHARE THAT SAME CONCERN WITH TRAFFIC. A MUCH OR WHAT THE ANSWER IS IF
THERE IS ONE. >> IF THE NEXT AVAILABLE CROSSROAD TO MAKE A U-TURN OUT WAS DOWN AN OKEECHOBEE AT THE BACK COULD BE A DISASTER. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE TURN
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ONTO THE TURNPIKE IS. >> AND THERE'S NO MEDIAN THERE.
>> HE SAID WHITE ROAD OR PETERS ROAD?
>> WE HAVE DONE IMPROVEMENT ON PETERS ROAD, ABOUT 400,000.
WHITE ROAD IS TWO AND A HALF MILLION.
TO PETERS ROAD. WE ALSO HAVE TURNING MOVEMENTS
IF YOU'D LIKE TO. >> PLEASE COME FORWARD.
>> WITH REGARDS TO THE U-TURN MOVEMENT, EMPLOYEES EXITING, THERE IS FIGURES IN THE REPORT THAT DETAIL THE NUMBER THAT ARE EXPECTED TO MAKE THAT MOVEMENT. THEN WE DO AND INTERSECTION ANALYSIS AND IT SHOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD MAKE THAT MOVEMENT.
SO THEY ARE TAKING A LOOK AT THOSE AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD WITH AN OPTION TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN ON PETERS, WHICH WE ARE IMPROVING TO GET TO PETERS WHERE THERE'S A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AND EMPLOYEES NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM BUT HAVE OPTIONS IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THE U-TURN THEY COULD DO THAT AS WELL. THERE IS A SIGNAL PROPOSED AS WELL, SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A MULTITUDE OF OPTIONS.
WE ALSO SEPARATED A SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLE TRAFFIC WITH THOSE EXACT NUMBERS. WE ARE PROJECTING 50 U-TURN
MOVEMENTS. >> WITH SIGNALIZATION IS THERE ANY CAPACITY FOR -- I CAN TELL IF THE TRUNKING IS GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING BUT IS THERE CAPACITIES YOU HAVE ADMITTANCE FROM THE NORTH AREA TO WHITE ROAD WITH THE FLOW OF
TRAFFIC WE. >> FROM THE EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT
TO WAIT. >> THIS IS AMAZON WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SINGLE ACCESS FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THEY DO NOT WANT -- THEY DON'T WANT THEM TO GO TO THE WHITE ROAD.
THE ENTIRE WYATT WROTE IS TRUCK TRAFFIC AND THEY WANT TO HAVE A SINGLE TRAFFIC. THE NEED TO COME BACK IF THAT HAPPENS. THEY CAN HAVE SOMETHING WITH
SOME DIFFERENT FLOW OF TRAFFIC. >> THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT, IF THEY DECIDE TO DO THAT, AMAZON PLAN IS FLUID AND THEY ARE MAKING CHANGES. THERE IS NO GATES.
AND BETWEEN NOW, YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYEES COMING FROM THE NORTH OR FROM SOUTH, AND KINGS HIGHWAY.
THEY ARE PLENTY OF WAYS TO GET IN AND OUT.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS?
>> THE COMMENT THE SECOND GENTLEMAN MADE OF THE 40 DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THINGS LOOK GOOD AND THINGS LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT. AND WHICH YOU CONSIDER IT AND
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THEIR, WITH ANOTHER CONDITION, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A LOT OF U-TURNS WERE NOT , IT FEELS LIKE A LOT.700 CURRENT EMPLOYEES,. >> WITH FAIR SHIFTS WE TALK ABOUT THAT AND THIS TAKES INTO A CASE WORST CASE AND THEY BREAK UP THERE SHIFTS AND THEY ARE WORST-CASE ON NORMAL 9 TO 5'S AND A SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW AMAZON SHIFTS ARE ODD HOURS.
THEY HAVE THREE DIFFERENT SHIFTS.
AND THEY DO THAT TO NOT COME INSIDE WITH PEAK TRAFFIC.
>> THAT'S WHAT MOST OF THE ISSUES ARE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ISSUE LIKE 10:00 AT NIGHT AND THEY ARE
GOOD WITH THE RESOLVED. >> I WILL GO BACK TO WHEN I HEAR THE WORDS IT LOOKS GOOD WITH THE AFTER NOT STUDY WHAT IS THAT
MEAN. >> THAT MEANS WE AGREE WITH THE NUMBERS WITH THE LEFT-HAND STORAGE LANDS AND IT'S EFFICIENT FOR A NUMBER OF TRIPS AS WELL AS THOSE GENERATED AND AN AREA TO
MAKE A U-TURN. >> ANYTHING ELSE?
THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION HERE?
>> I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, WE HAVE FIVE CONDITIONS ON THIS.
>> I VOTE TO APPROVE IT ON FIVE CONDITIONS.
>> MOTION OF APPROVAL OF FIVE CONDITIONS.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLE ROCCO CALLING OF THE ROLE]
[7. ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR]
THAT CONCLUDES OUR NEW BUSINESS. WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN, ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VISE CHAIR.LET'S START WITH VISE CHAIR WHY DON'T WE BEGIN WITH IF THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY DISCUSSION DOES ANYONE HAVE A NOMINATION
FOR VICE CHAIR? >> I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT MISS CLEMONS WHO IS AN AT-LARGE MEMBER IS APPROVED ON THIS BOARD THROUGH SUMMER OF 27. [LAUGHTER]
>> TO BE HAVE A NOMINATION? >> I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MISS
CLEMONS AS VISE CHAIR. >> SECOND.
>> WE HAVE A NOMINATION BY MR. WIDING AND A SECOND BY MR. EDWARDS TO NOMINATE MISS CLEMONS.
[LAUGHTER] >> CONGRATULATIONS.
[APPLAUSE] >> NOW MOVING ONTO THE NOMINATION FOR CHAIR. I WILL ALSO POINT OUT I AM AS WELL AT-LARGE MEMBER UP FOR APPLICATION THIS AUGUST.
I DO INTEND TO RERUN. >> ALL NOMINATE YOU.
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>> WE HAVE A NOMINATION BY MR. JOHNSON AND A SECOND BY MISS CLEMONS TO ELECT ME AS CHAIR.
>> WE MUST BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.
NOW THAT WE HAVE THAT OUT OF THE WAY WE HAVE ITEM EIGHT COMETS IN THE PUBLIC IT WAS ANY MEMBER THE PUBLIC HERE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON GENERAL ISSUES OF PLANNING IN THE CITY PLEASE COME FORWARD AT
[9. DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
THIS ■TIME. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE DIRECTORS REPORT. MR. FREEMAN?>> CONGRATULATIONS CHAIR AND VISE CHAIR.
GREAT TO SEE YOU BACK. MY UPDATES REVOLVE ON STATE LEGISLATION AND I THINK MOST OF THEN COME INTO EFFECT NEXT JANUARY WITH A BIT OF WORK TO DO BEHIND THE SCENES.
I THINK MAINLY, THEY RELATE TO FEES AND THE PROCESSING TIMES IN ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF DOING FREE APPS AND WE ARE WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THOSE. AND THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN THIS YEAR ENGAGING THE CITY. REVIEW AND ORDINANCES WITH ORDINANCE ISSUES WE HAVE HAD A RESPONSE FROM THE WITH THREE ISSUES RELATING TO STATE BILL 180 AND THE THOUGHTS IS IT'S BECOME MORE RESTRICTIVE WITH THE ANIMALS NOT AMENDMENTS WE'VE MADE TO MERIT. WE ARE MEETING ON A ZOO MEETING TOMORROW WITH THEM TO DISCUSS THEIR FINDINGS.
AND MY OBJECTIVE IS TO ENSURE THAT WE REMOVE WHATEVER THEY THINK IS NONCOMPLIANT WITH STATE LAW.
SOME VERY MINOR COMMENTS AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT ON THE NEXT BOARD MEETING WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENT.
AND IN THE BACKGROUND WHAT I AM MOVING FORWARD WITH IS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP WITH SMOKE AND THE SCHOOL ON ORANGE.
LOOKING AT AN ORDINANCE TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE REUSE EXISTING PARTICULARLY IN THE CRA? WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES RECENTLY WITH APPLICATIONS NOT ABLE TO GET APPROVAL NOT EVEN GETTING TO YOU OR ANYWHERE ELSE BECAUSE OF THE CODE RELATING TO WHAT'S REQUIRED WHEN FOLKS COME IN AND WANT TO SET UP A NEW AMENDMENT, IT'S COST A LOT OF CHAPTERS AND IT'S COST OTHER GROUPS TO GET INVOLVED AND THE CITY CODE UNLESS WE BREAK CITY CODE WHICH WE ARE NOT WILLING TO DO, FOLKS CAN GET IN WITHOUT DOING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND WHAT WE FIND IS MORE THAN USUAL THEY HAVE SIGNED A LEASE WITH AN EXISTING PROPERTY FOR THE SAME TYPE OF USE BUT NOW WHEN THEY FIND THEY COME IN AND IT ZINGS OVER INTO SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS THEY NEED TO BRING UP EVERYTHING TO NEW CITY CODE WHICH IS NOT THE SAME AS IT WAS 1020 YEARS AGO SO WE HAVE ALL THESE VACANT BUILDINGS UNDERUTILIZED WITH SEGMENTS OF U.S. ONE WITH MOST OF THE ENTRANCEWAYS INTO THE CITY AFFECTED BY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO REUSE EXISTING PROPERTY.
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THAT'S GOING TO ADDRESS THAT. AND SLIMMED DOWN SOME OF THE CODE ISSUES THAT WE REALLY THINK OF INSTRUCTING THIS SO WE WOULD WANT TO BRING IT BACK AND WE'RE GOING OUT TALKING TO DEVELOPERS AND WHATEVER AND ITS INTERNAL TO THE BUILDING.YOU CAN QUITE EASILY TRIGGER LANDSCAPING AND ARCHITECTURAL IN ALL THIS STUFF ON THE OUTSIDE. AND NOT OVER THE EXPENSE OF MAINTAINING AND CREATING MORE JOBS WHEN WE CAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE AIMING TO DO.
I WANT TO DO THAT QUITE QUICKLY. AND THAT'S MY UPDATE.
>> IT'S CHALLENGING ISSUE AND VACANT BUILDINGS PAINT A PICTURE OF DEGRADATION AND LACK OF INTEREST IN CRIME IN DECLINING COMMUNITIES WHEN IN A LOT OF CASES ITS INACCESSIBILITY AND PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE'S HURDLES.
I'M CURIOUS TO SEE YOUR CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO SUPPORT YOU AS WE MOVE FORWARD IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE -- ANY BOARD COMMENTS?
[10. BOARD COMMENTS]
>> JUST THE ONE I MADE EARLIER ABOUT ATTACHING SOME ADDITIONAL
REQUIREMENTS. >> WHAT'S -- BUT GOVERNING
DOCUMENT IS NOT COME FROM? >> THAT'S THE POLICY WE CANNOT ESSENTIALLY AMEND THAT POLICY UNLESS WE REMOVE IT IN ITS ENTIRETY. THE ENABLING REGULATIONS REALLY SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE ORDINANCES AND THAT'S ONE THING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AND THAT'S HOW TO BE REGULATED.
AND THAT SOME AND THE NEED TO COME FORWARD AND ONCE WE'VE GOT THE PLAN APPROVED BY THE STATE THEN WE WILL COME BACK WITH THESE AMENDMENTS AND THEN COME BACK WITH VARIOUS AMENDMENTS TO THAT AND WE COULD REALLY CONSIDER THEM COMPREHENSIVELY AND ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS LAW IS WE CAN'T MAKE ANYTHING MORE RESTRICTIVE AND WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ON ARE WE MAKING THINGS MORE RESTRICTIVE AND YOU MENTIONED LANDSCAPING.
I KNOW YOU WANT TO SEE BETTER LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS IN THE BACKGROUND. WE BEEN WORKING ON LANDSCAPING AND THEN THEY INTRODUCE THAT, TO MAKE IT MORE PLAIN BUT WITH THAT MAKE IT MORE DEFIANT IN TERMS OF TYPES OF LANDSCAPES WITH OCTOBE.
UNLESS UNLESS WE ARE SUBJECT TO A HURRICANE OR STATE OF EMERGENCY ISSUED BY THE GOVERNMENT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE
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A DIRECT HIT. IT'S VERY LIKELY THERE'S GOING TO BE A YEAR BUT WE DON'T HAVE -- IT'S UNLIKELY THERE'LL BE A YEAR WE DON'T HAVE A HURRICANE IN THE FACILITY THAT REENGAGES THIS. AS SOON AS THERE IS THAT GAP.>> LET'S GET HOME. MEETING ADJOURNED
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