[9. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARINGS Any person who wishes to comment on an agenda item which is not under Public Hearings on the Agenda may be heard at this time and must sign up to speak in advance. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARINGS.

>> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. AND MS. COX WILL GIVE YOU A TEN SECOND WARNING. THE FIRST IS RICK WIG.

>> 2625 SOUTH U.S. 1. EXCUSE ME.

NOTHING IN FORT PIERCE HAPPENS IN A VACUUM.

SARAH HEDGES AS THE CITY ATTORNEY KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT SHE DID WAS WRONG. THE CITY ATTORNEY AS YOU CAN TELL KNOWS WHERE HER BREAD IS BUTTERED.

I'M SURE SHE CONSULTED WITH MAYOR HUDSON, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK AND PROBABLY CITY CLERK LINDA COX WHEN PLANNING AND THEN PERPETRATING THE INJUSTICE THAT WAS DONE TO THE CITY EMPLOYEES ANTICIPATING AS IN THE PAST THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE THE NECESSARY COVER AND FIX IF NEEDED.

THIS LOOKED TO BE A POWER GRAB TO TAKE CONTROL OF OUR CITY FINANCE DIRECTOR'S POSITION. REMEMBER, HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S POSITION AND THE CITY CLERK, THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THE POLICE CHIEF'S POSITION ARE VITAL TO MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THE CITY.

AND THE DEPARTMENTERS LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. THIS HAS BEEN USED BY CERTAIN OFFICIALS TO PERPETRATE GREED, CORRUPTION AND RETALIATION AT THE COST OF MANY OF US. AND OUR CITY AS WELL AS THE INNOCENT CITY EMPLOYEES. AND THERE'S LOTS OF THEM.

NOW BY THE SPLIT IN THE COMMISSION 3-1 AND CHANGE AND WANTING TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO.

CHANGE IS NOW POSSIBLE. OUR NEW CITY MANAGER AS WELL AS OUR NEW POLICE CHIEF ARE GIVING US HOPE.

UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF MAYOR HUDSON WITH THE HELP OF COMMISSIONER BRODERICK AND SOME RECENT COMMISSIONERS, I JUST SAW ONE UP HERE, OUR CITY HAS ENDURED ONE EMBARRASSMENT AFTER ANOTHER. THE NICKNAMES.

THE HOBBLY BOBBLY. JAME TAIS LOER.

KING'S LANDING. FISHERMAN'S WHARF.

CRABIES. LITTLE JIM BIRCH.

JUST TO NAME A FEW. THIS PATTERN OF INCOMPETENCE AND CORRUPTION IS PATHETIC. SEIZE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND REPLACE THE CITY ATTORNEY WITH ONE THAT WILL PUT THE INTEREST OF OUR CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS FIRST.

>> MICHELLE ONGAZO. >> 713 SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE.

MY NAME IS MICHELLE ONGAZO I AM HERE AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN IN TAX PAYER AND ACCOUNTING AND BUSINESS OWNER IN FORT PIERCE.

I'M ASKING THIS COMMISSION TO SUPPORT A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE REGARDING THE CITY ATTORNEY SARAH HEDGES.

THIS IS NOT PERSONAL. THIS IS ABOUT PUBLIC TRUST.

LAWFUL GOVERNMENT AND WHETHER THE CITY ATTORNEY IS STAYING WITHIN THE PROPER BOUNDARIES OF HER ROLE.

THERE ARE SERIOUS CONCERNS THAT MRS. HEDGES HAS ACTED IN A RETALIATORY MANNER TOWARDS CITIZENS.

SHE DISLIKES OR DISAGREES WITH. CITIZENS HAVE REPORTED OR ALLEGED THAT SHE HAS ATTEMPTED TO RESTRICT ACCESS TO CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS AND DIRECTED THAT HER CERTAIN CITIZENS MAY COMMUNICATE WITH HER ONLY THROUGH HER OFFICE.

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INSTRUCT STAFF, EXCUSE ME, INSTRUCT STAFF NOT TO RESPOND TO CERTAIN CITIZENS IN ADMINISTRATIVE MANNERS BEYOND PROPER ROLE OF CITY ATTORNEY. IF THIS IS TRUE, THE CONDUCT IS UNACCEPTABLE AND A FLORIDA MUNICIPALITY.

CITIZENS DO NOT LOSE THEIR RIGHT TO ACCESS GOVERNMENT BECAUSE A PUBLIC OFFICIAL DISLIKES THEIR CRITICISM.

WHERE RECORDS REQUEST. THEIR QUESTIONS OR THEIR PERSISTENCE. FLORIDA LAW FAVORS OPEN GOVERNMENT. AND ACCESS TO PUBLIC RECORDS AND MEETINGS. AS WELL AS ESTABLISH THE FLORIDA PUBLIC RECORDS ACT. REPEATEDLY EMPHASIZED THAT OPENING GOVERNMENT LAWS MUST BE CONSTRUED BROADLY AND FAVOURABLY ACCESS. SO I ASK-- SINCE MY TIME IS LIMITED, I WOULD SIMPLY SAY THIS SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED, FILTERED OR BLOCKED BECAUSE HE HAVE QUESTIONED THE CITY GOVERNMENT FOR THE LAWS PROTECTING OPEN GOVERNMENT.

PUBLIC RECORDS. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND NO CONFIDENCE VOTE SHOULD AFFIRM THIS THAT NO CITY ATTORNEY HAS THIS AUTHORITY TO RETALIATE AGAINST CITIZENS OR SERVE AS A GATEKEERP TO THE CITY DEPARTMENTS WITHOUT LAWFUL AUTHORITY.

THANK YOU. >> THAT'S ALL THAT SIGNED YOU.

[A. Second Quarter Financial Report]

WE'LL MOVE ON. >> OKAY NEXT WE HAVE THE SECOND

QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT. >> YES-- THE SECOND QUARTER FINANCIAL UPDATE. SHE HAS A SHORT PRESENTATION

FOR US. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE OUR SECOND QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT HERE. PROVIDED A LINE BY LINE ITEM TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AS TO OUR GENERAL FUND WE HAVE OUR $67.7 MILLION BUT SCOMBRET AS OF MARCH 31ST THE END OF THE SECOND QUARTER WE WOULD AT 68% OF REVENUE AT $46 MILLION.

OUR EXPENDITURES ARE $36 MILLION OR 55% AND THE AVAILABILITY NET RESOURCES IS $92 MILLION FOR THE GENERAL FUND. THE MARINA WE HAVE WORKED 37% OF THE REVENUE AND 32% OF THE EXPENDITURES.

BELOW 50% FOR THE YEAR BUT IT'S THE TIMING AS TO WHEN EXPENDITURES AND REVENUE IS COLLECTED AND RECEIVE SOD THEY ARE IN GOOD STANDING. SOLID WASTE AS OF AT THE END OF THE SECOND QUARTER WILL HAVE $5.8 MILLION OR 49% OF THE PROJECTED REVENUE AND 33% OF THE EXPENDITURES WITH $1.9 MILLION AVAILABLE NET RESOURCES.

AND AGAIN, THE LAG IN THE EXPENDITURES IS THE TIMING.

AFTER THIS REPORT WAS DONE, WE DID HAVE THE PAYMENT TO THE LANDFILL SO THAT CHANGED THAT DRAMATICALLY.

OUR GOLF COURSE AT $971,000 HAS COLLECTED 55% OF THE ACTUAL REVENUE AND THEY ARE AT 50% FOR THE EXPENDITURES.

AND THE NET FISCAL YEAR NET RESOURCES IS $77,566.

SUNRISE THEATRE HAS COLLECTED ABOUT 53% OF ITS PROJECTED REVENUE. AND ARE AT 56% FOR THE EXPENDITURES WHICH IS GIVING A NEGATIVE-- $197,695.

WE HAVE NOT DONE THE BUDGETED $5,000 TRANSFER FROM FPRA.

SO IF THAT HAD BEEN DONE, THEY WOULD HAVE NEGATIVE RESOURCE--

POSITIVE AVAILABLE RESOURCES. >> MS. MORRIS I THINK YOU SAID

190 BUT YOU MEANT 170, RIGHT? >> YES.

THANKS. ANIMAL SHELTER.

THE ACTUAL REVENUE THAT HAS BEEN RECEIVED IS 157,000 WHICH IS 16% OF WHAT WAS BUDGETED. AND THE EXPENDTURES ARE 489,000 WHICH IS 49%. SO YOU SEE THEY HAVE THE NEGATIVE RESOURCES OF $332,222. AND THEN BUILDING HAS AT THE END OF THE SECOND QUARTER AT R MILLION AND 20% OF ITS

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EXPENDITURES AND THE NET RESOURCES ARE $613,537.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTION SMS. >> THE GENERAL FUND.

THE $46 MILLION COMPARED TO THE 0-- DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO BE

MADE UP THE REST OF THE YEAR? >> YES, WE ARE ON TARGET TO.

WE ARE LABBING IN SOME. WE WILL HAVE SOME EXPENDITURES THAT WE WILL-- WE ARE LAGGING IN.

DRASTICALLY. BUT WE SHOULD MEET OR EXCEED OUR BUDGET AS FAR AS WHAT'S PROJECTED.

>> PROJECTED AS REVENUE. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I MAY HAVE A QUESTION.

SO MS. MORRIS, TO THE BEST ABILITY I WANT TO FOCUS IN ON A COUPLE AREAS. SILENT WASTE AREA HERE.

YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING IN YOUR COMMENT, DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT TO SAY THAT THE ACTUAL EXPENDITURES ACTUALLY MORE THAN

WHAT'S SHOWN HERE? >> THIS IS AT MARCH 31ST.

THIS WAS AT THE SECOND QUARTER. IN APRIL, YOU KNOW WE ARE NOW IN MAY. WE DO THIS REPORT AFTER WE CLOSE THE BOOKS IN THE MIDDLE OF APRIL.

AND SO AT THAT POINT WE HAVE GOTTEN THE LANDFILL CHARGE IN AT THAT TIME. AND WE'LL SEE THAT IN THE NEXT

REPORT. >> AND SO JUST SORT OF APPEASE ME BECAUSE I'M ON THIS WASTE MANAGEMENT KICK.

I'M GOING TO BE PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE CONSENT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. SO THE BILL WE GOT FROM THE LANDFILL IS IT SPIKES IN THAT INCREASE IN THAT FOR LANDFILL DUMP FEES? THAT'S CAUSING THAT EXPENDITURE

TO GO UP? >> CORRECT.

>> IF IT'S A BUDGETED EXPENSE. CAN'T NOT HIT THE BUDGET AS OF YET. SO IT WAS.

BUT IT IS SLIGHTLY-- IT IS SLIGHT INCREASE ABOVE WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BUDGETED. AND AGAIN, I CAN'T ASK OR ANSWER TO WHY I WOULD ASSUME IT'S AN INCREASE IN THE

LANDFILL. >> OKAY SOMETHING I'M GOING TO BE FOCUSING IN ON. I WANT TO MARK THAT.

AND TO MADAM MAYOR'S POINT CONCERNING WE ARE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH FOR US ON THE BUDGET CYCLE.

ANYTHING GIVING YOU CONCERN. I HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER. ANYTHING BESIDES THAT THAT IS OBVIOUS TO ME WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AT SOME POINT.

BUT ANYTHING ELSE HERE LAGGING BEHIND OR WHAT TRADITIONALLY HAS BEEN PROJECTIONS. AND ARE WE TRACKS WHAT IS

TRADITION ALE TRACK. >> WE ARE.

THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING LAGGING.

I KNOW LINDA AND I HAD A CONVERSATION AS TO-- AND SHE AND I ARE LOOKING AT IT. ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS IS THE CERTIFICATES OF YOUTH WE NOW USE.

THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND IT DID SWITCH THE WAY THAT WAS BEING CONNECTED. THERE IS A BIG VARIANCE THERE.

AND IT'S JUST IN-- SHE AND I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE ADJUSTED. HAVE BEEN.

BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IN OUR REVENUE SON TREND AS IT IS. THERE ARE SOME LAGS.

BUT THAT'S STATEWIDE. AS TO WHAT'S LAGGING.

AND THEN WE ARE LOOKING AT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A DECREASE IN THE FUEL TAX. SO THAT WILL ADJUST SOME OF OUR REVENUE AS WELL. BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL THAT MATERIALIZES. SO IT'S THINGS THAT WE'RE MONITORING. NOTHING MAJOR.

WE ARE ON TARGET. WE SHOULD BE ON TARGET AS TO OUR REVENUE. OUR EXPENDITURES.

ARE AT 55% AND MOST OF THAT IS LAGGING BECAUSE OF CAPITAL.

YOU KNOW-- THERE'S A PROCESS AS TO HOW WE HAVE TO SPEND THE CAPITAL. SO IT'S BUDGETED AND JUST THE TIMING AS TO WHEN IT MATERIALIZES AND THE MONEY IS

ACTUALLY SPENT. >> RIGHT.

SO JUST A GENERAL COMMENT. WE ARE GETTING IT QUARTERLY AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT NOW BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATION BACK IN SESSION AND WHATEVER THOSE BUDGET IMPLICATIONS MAY BE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. BUT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER HERE.

I KNOW WE'VE HAD MAYBE SOME WORKSHOPS.

I THINK WE REALLY PROBABLY NEED TO GET AT THIS TO UNDERSTAND.

BECAUSE THEY ARE WAY BEHIND ON ACTUAL REVENUE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE GENERATORS ARE TO BE SPECIFIC TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE UP THIS DELTA BETWEEN WHAT'S COME IN AND WHAT WE BUDGETED. THAT'S A HUGE GAP.

AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO IT TONIGHT AND MY ONE OFFS. AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP AT A DAY MEETING TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS.

YEAH. >> MS. MORRIS I DON'T THINK YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION BUT I'LL THROW IT OUT THERE.

GIVEN THE RECENT FREEZE FROM A SOLID WASTE COLLECTION, I SUSPECTED THERE IS ADDITION AL WAIT TAKEN TO THE LANDFILL DURING THE RECOVERY. A LOT OF FOLKS CUT DOWN TREES THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CUT DOWN IN THE PAST.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TIPPING FEES AND INCREASING THE COSTS OF THE LANDFILL, I SUSPECT THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT AND MAYBE THAT WILL LEVEL OUT GOING FORWARD.

ANY INPUT? I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO BE ABLE

TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> THAT WOULD NOT BE A QUESTION FOR ME. THAT WOULD BE OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR OR INTERIM DIRECTOR THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO-- ANSWER

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THAT. >> I'LL ASK THAT.

>> REAL QUICK. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH ON THIS ONE.

I'VE SAID IT BEFORE. AND MAYBE PEOPLE CAN ADD, BUT WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ON ANIMAL SHELTER.

TO FIGURE OUT YOU KNOW SOME KIND OF WAY BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THIS RED BECOMING BLACK. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

SO DAY MEETING. NIGHT MEETING.

CALL MEETING. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, WE REALLY NEED TO DISCUSS BECAUSE THAT'S MONEY THAT'S GOING OUT AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT AND TO ALL THE ANIMAL LOVERS, I LOVE ANIMALS, BUT IT'S-- I HAVE A DUTY TO THE CITIZENS OF FORT PIERCE NOT TO WASTE MONEY. I'M NOT REALLY WOREYED ABOUT THE SUNRISE THEATRE AS OF YET BECAUSE WE JUST ENTERED INTO THE CONTRACT WITH THE AGENCY TO RUN IT.

AND FROM WHAT I HEARD THIS WEEKEND, IT WAS A COUPLE SELLOUT SHOWS. SO I'M THANKFUL AND HOPEFUL THAT WE GET MORE SHOWS LIKE THEM WHERE WE SELL OUT.

THE SUNRISE AND THE NEW OPERATING BUSINESS OR THE GROUP THAT'S GONE OPERATED. I HOPE THEY CAN TURN AROUND WHEN WE SEE OUR NEXT BREAKDOWN. WE WON'T SEE THE SUNRISE.

BUT I HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SITTING WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND MADAM MAYOR TO DISCUSS HOW WE CAN GO

FORWARD. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS?

>> NEXT WE HAVE OUR SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS.

OUR FPRA WHICH IS ALWAYS GREAT. HAS $14 MILLION IN BUDGETED THE ACTUAL REVENUE IS $15.1 MILLION SO IT'S ALREADY 103% OVER.

OVER WHAT WAS ACTUALLY 3% OVER WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BUDGETED.

AND THAT IS MOSTLY FROM TAXES. WE ALWAYS-- OURSELVES AND THE COUNTY BUDGET AN INITIAL AMOUNT FOR TAXES.

HOWEVER USUALLY AROUND THE LATTER PART OF OCTOBER.

EARLY NOVEMBER. WE GET THE ACTUAL NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY AS TO THE ASSESSMENT.

AND SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND ADJUST THE AMOUNT THAT WE SEND TO FPRA. SO THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE 103% OF ACTUAL REVENUE ON THE EXPENDITURES THEY ARE AT 98%.

AND SO THE NET RESOURCES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR IS A POSITIVE 761 533. CTBG THE ACTUAL REVENUE IS $811,707 OR 24%. AND THE EXPENDITURES ARE AT 14%. THE 464 AND THAT'S BECAUSE THOSE ARE REIMBURSABLE AMOUNTS. SO WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT WE CAN UTILIZE. HOWEVER WE ONLY GET THOSE REVENUES BACK AFTER WE'VE ACTUALLY SPENT THEM ON PROJECTS. BUT THEY ARE STILL AT A NET 346110. SHIFT 70% OF THE ACTUAL REVENUE AT 248 AND THE EXPENDED ARE 234 WITH THE NET RESOURCES OF 13,826 AND STORM WATER AT $3.2 MILLION HAS RECEIVE LD 89% OF ITS REVENUE AND 73% AT THE EXPENDITURES WITH $619,804 IN

AVAILABLE RESOURCES. >> AND THAT IS OUR REPORT.

FOR THE SECOND QUARTER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH.

LATER ON SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> OKAY NEXT WE HAVE THE

[11. CONSENT AGENDA]

CONSENT AGENDA. >> IS THERE ANYITE THAM ANY COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO PULL?

>> MADAM MAYOR. PULLING ITEM D AND E.

I WANT TO MAKE COMMENT ON THOSE.

D AND E. >> OKAY, ANYBODY ELSE?

SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE--. >> I MOVE THAT THE REMAIN OF

THE CONSENT AGENDA BE APPROVED. >> OKAY, CALL THE ROLE PLEASE.

[D. Approval to increase Purchase Order No. 260503 with The Peterbuilt Store, Fort Pierce, FL, to provide parts and repairs for Solid Waste refuse trucks from $50,000 to $100,000.]

CREASE PURCHASE ORDER 260503 WITH THE-- BUILT STORE AT FORT PIERCE TO PROVIDE PARTS AND REPAIRS FOR SOLID WASTE, REF USE TRUCKS FROM 50,000 TO 100,000.

MAYOR JOHNSEN? >> SMOOMD MAYOR, I PULLED BOTH OF THESE ITEMS SIMPLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO NUMBER ONE HIGHLIGHT FOR THE PUBLIC, A COUPLE THINGS.

AND ALSO HIGHLIGHT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SOME OF THE GROWING CONCERNS THAT I HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO SOLID WASTE IN

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OUR COMMUNITY. COMMISSIONER-- I APPRECIATE YOU RAISING THE POINT. I AGREE WITH YOU.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REFUGE THAT HAS BEEN COLLECTED AND A LOT MORE TO BE COLLECTED THAT IS STILL SITTING ON OUR CITY BLOCKS. AND I'VE RECEIVED PHONE CALLS.

I'VE RECEIVED THE COMMENTS FROM PUBLIC ABOUT TRASH NOT BEING PICKED UP. EITHER IN CANS AND/OR THE REFUGE. AND I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY STAFF, AND SPECI SPECIFICALLY DEVEAUX SHEA JOHNSON BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WARRANTS THAT I NEED TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION NOT ONLY FOR US BUT TO THE PUBLIC TO LET THEM KNOW THAT I AM AWARE. MOST OF US ARE AWARE FROM MY LAST COMMENT AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING, THAT WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW WITH THAT.

AND MADAM MAYOR I'D LIKE TO BRING UP MR. JOHNSTON ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE.

AND THESE QUESTIONS SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'VE-- OUR BUDGET LINE ITEM. REVENUES ARE SLIGHTLY TAILING OFF. BUT WE ALSO SEE AND KNOW THAT WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE THAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE COMING INTO NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND FROM STAFF, TO KIND OF GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH PUBLIC WORKS. THESE EXPENDITURES THAT WE-- I'M GLAD TO APPROVE, BUT CAN YOU GIVE US AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND BRING THE PUBLIC UP TO SPEED SO WE CAN BEGIN TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT REFUGE NOT BEING

PICKED UP IN THIS COMMUNITY? >> MOST CERTAINLY.

MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSION. THOSE THREE ITEMS REPRESENT ESSENTIALLY SERVICES REQUIRED FOR A FILMING FEAT.

SO WE HAVE REPAIR SERVICES AND TIRE SERVICES AND TRUCKS ON THE ROAD. CONTINUALLY FOR THE CHANGING O% THE TIRES ON THOSE VEHICLES. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AGENDA TO BE PURCHASING OR LEASING. TWO FRONT END LEARNERS.

PUBLIC AND COMMERCIAL. TWO SIDE LOADERS.

WITH REGARD TO SOME OF THE THINGS IN THE RIDE ALONG WITH SOME OF THE CITY STAFF AND WE RODE AROUND TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY. PER CONVERSATION EARLIER AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMISSION KNOWS THIS.

THE SOLID WASTE IS ON THE SAME LEVEL WITH REGARD TO RETENTION.

AND WITH REGARD TO STAFF COMING IN AND OUT AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER.

AS IT STANDS TODAY, WE HAVE FOUR.

WE HAVE FIVE EMPLOYEES. THAT HAD YEARS OF SERVICE IN DOUBLE DIGITS. ONE JUST REFIRED TWO EMPLOYEES AT TEN YEARS. ONE AT 19 AND ONE AT 5.

OUT OF THE 443 EMPLOYEES OF TOTAL ACUMEN ON AVERAGE ACCORDING TO MY MATH REPRESENTS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.

1.8 YEARS THAT THE AVERAGE DRIVER IS AT SOLID WASTE.

SO YOU TALK ABOUT THE TIME FOR THEM TO GET IN THE TRUCK.

HIRE AN INDIVIDUAL. WI TRAIN THEM.

THEY GO OUT ON THE ROUTE. BY THE TIME YOU GET A YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS IN THEY GO TO ANOTHER ORGANIZATION TO GET $5 MORE IN SOME CASES. AND THEN WE ARE FILLING THINGS AND TERMS OF THAT NATURE. BUT TO TURN IT AROUND.

FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE CONVERSATION.

ONE THING WE WERE IMPLEMENTING AN ACTUAL ROUTING SYSTEM TO OPTIMIZE THE ROUTES. AND IMPLEMENTING THE ROUTE MAPS. AND SOME OF THIS STUFF I THINK WAS IN ORDER PRIOR TO THE DIRECTOR'S DEPARTURE.

BUT IT WAS LEFT SO WE ARE PICKING THOSE BACK UP.

AND BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND HOW THIS HELPS.

SO WE HAVE A SYSTEM WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE.

EVERYBODY YOU CAN IMAGINE YOU HAVE A GUY WHO IS LEARNING THE ROUTE. LEARNING BY HAND.

AND BY MEMORY. AND IF THEY DON'T REMEMBER, WELL NOW YOU GET THE CALLS. PICK THIS OUT OF THE STREET BUT NOT THAT SIDE OF THE STREET OR THEY PICKED UP THIS AREA BUT NOT THAT AREA. IT'S JUST THAT CURVE IN THE LEARNING THE ROUTE. SO THIS EQUIPMENT WILL LITERALLY BE THE TABLET ON THE DRIVER'S DASH.

IN WHICH THEY CAN SEE TURN BY TURN, ROUTE BY ROUTE.

SO THE ORGANIZATION AND THE FISHANCY AND DECREASE THE TRAINING TIME. AND INCREASE ACCOUNTABILITY WITH THE ABILITY OF MANAGEMENT TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE TRUCKS HAVE GONE. WHETHER THEY STOP WHERED THEY HAVEN'T STOPPED AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WITH REGARD TO PICK-UPS. TWO SERVICE ITEMS THEY PRIMARILY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. THE SANITATION GARBAGE AND THE REFUGE SIDE. BY WAY OF PRIORITY.

MIGHT NOT BE POPULAR. BUT IT'S CORRECT.

WHENEVER THERE IS A DELAY OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE THEY ARE ALWAYS GOING TO PICK UP THE GARBAGE FIRST.

THAT IS GOING TO BE THE PRIORITY.

THAT'S PRA WHA BRINGS FLIES AND YA'LL BEEN THERE.

SECONDARY IS BY WAY OF PRIORITY.

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SO WHENEVER WE GET BEHIND. THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO GO TO PICK UP FIRST. WE GO OUT TO SOME OF THE-- THE TREND THAT BEGAN THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO.

TIME OF IMPASSE AND NOT TO GET INTO THE DYNAMICS OF THAT.

BUT PEOPLE STARTED CALLING OUT AND THERE WAS THINGS THAT TOOK PLACE. AND WHEN YOU ARE NOT UP TO SCHEDULE ON A DAILY BAY SPIPS THAT EXASPERATES THAT BEHINDNESS. TWO OR THREE DAYS.

NOW YOU'RE FURTHER EXASPERATING WHAT ALREADY EXISTS.

SO WE ARE REMOVING THE CURVE ON THAT.

COMING TO THE DEPARTMENT OR THE DIVISION I SHOULD SAY.

SEPARATING THE LINES OF BUSINESS, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL LINES OF BUSINESS. PUTTING FIELD OPERATORS WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION IN THE DIVISION.

WHETHER FUEL OPERATORS DO. AFTER WE GO AND DO THE ROUTES.

FIELD OPERATORS GO OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT BULK PICK-UP IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF. ANYTHING THAT WASN'T CALLED IN BY THE DRIVER. HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

WE'RE ALSO INTRODUCING THE DISPATCHER.

AND ADMIN STRAVT STAFF. AND THIS IS RESTRUCTURING WITH THE EXISTING ACACUMEN. NOT NECESSARILY ADDING BUT RESTRUCTURING TO MAKE OPERATIONS FLOW AND WORK MORE E

EFFICIENTLY. >> MADAM MAYOR.

THANK YOU. AND I THANK YOU MR. JOHNSON.

I FELT THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC SIN CREASING THEIR PHONE CALLS AT LEAST TO MY OFFICE ABOUT THINGS NOT HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY. AND AS I LOOK AT THIS AND I LOOK AT THE BUDGET ITEMS AND I KNOW WHAT WE WENT THROUGH.

ARE IN OUR CITY. ALL DISTRICT.

ONE END TO. THERE'S A LOT OF REFUGE OUT THERE. AND THE MORE WE'RE PICKING UP.

MORE WE'RE TAKING-- THE MORE WE INCREASE IN THOSE TIP FEES AND DUMP FEES AS A RESULT OF THAT. AND SO IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU PUT IT OUT THERE, WE'LL GET IT UP.

BUT THAT'S GOING TO COST. THAT COMES AT A COST.

WE DON'T DUMP FOR FREE AT THE LANDFILL.

THEY CHAFRN US. AND IT TROUBLES ME WHEN I ARRIVE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AND I SEE AN ENTIRE HOUSEHOLD SITTING ON THE BLOCK. THAT WE EVENTUALLY WILL PICK UP. WELL THAT'S NOT DONE FOR FREE.

THAT COSTS MONEY. AND IT'S BECOME CHALLAGE AND IT'S SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION IN OUR COMMUNITY. WITH RESIDENTS AND LANDLORDS IN OUR COMMUNITY. BECAUSE IT'S BECOMING ABUSIVE.

AND IS SOMETHING THAT I'M GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON BECAUSE IT DOES GENERATE EXPENSE WHEN WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING THAT

EXPENSE. >> YES, SIR TO COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S POINT. WE HAVE ILLEGAL DUMPING.

WE GET A PHONE CALL OR E-MAIL WE GO AND PICK IT UP.

A LOT OF TIMES IT'S CONCRETE OR REBAR.

IT IS NOT MEPT TO PICK UP THAT KIND OF MATERIAL.

SOMETIMES IT'S IN THE DUMPSTERS AND IT GETS COMPACTED AND CONCRETE BLOWS A PISTON. ABOUT $8,000 TO REPLACE AND THE TRUCK'S DOWN. AND THERE ARE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. A LOT OF THE DEBRIS ESPECIALLY AFTER THE FREEZE WHICH WE WENT THROUGH.

A LOT OF SIT CODE VIOLATIONS. YOU HAVE LIMBS AND TREE TRUNKS.

YOU'VE SEEN IT. THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT THAT IS.

HAVING THE GUYS GO OUT AND PICK IT UP.

WITHOUT A CHARGE, IT-- CREATES THIS CYCLE THAT WE'RE JUST NOT ABLE TO ESCAPE OUT OF. SO THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES AND ISSUES WITH THAT. AND WE ARE PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER TO DEAL WITH ILLEGAL DUMPING.

TO IDENTIFY THE AREA IN WHICH YOU ARE STARTING A PET PROJECT.

WITH SOME CAMERAS AND WHAT HAVE YOU TO IDENTIFY THOSE THAT ARE DUMPING ILLEGALLY. WE HAVE A PARTICULAR SPOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SETTING UP AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A 90-DAY TRIAL WE'LL BE DOING HOPEFULLY. TO GET SOME RESULTS OUT OF THAT AND BRING BACK A REPORT TO THIS BODY.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? COMMISSIONER GAINES AND THEN

COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY. >> THANK YOU.

REAL QUICK I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID. AND YOU SAID.

WE'RE REVAMPING THE DEPARTMENT AND LOOKING.

I KNOW I WAS ONE WHO WAS SKEPTICAL WHEN IT FIRST CAME IN ABOUT FOUR FEET AND CHARGING. AND ALL I SAID WAS GIVE THE RESIDENTS TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE CHARGE WAS COMING.

SO I'M FULLY ON BOARD NOW BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LOVE THE FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND SOLID WASTE TO DO THESE OUT OF TOWN

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LANDLORDS. OUT OF STATE LANDLORDS COME IN TO EVICT THE FAMILY AND PUT AN ENTIRE APARTMENT ON THE STREET.

WE PICK IT UP BECAUSE IT CREATES HAZARDS.

I HAVE KIDS WALKING AROUND THE SIDEWALKS.

IN THE STREET TO GO TO SCHOOL. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S NOT HAPPENING. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE BILLS.

START GOING TO THESE LANDLORDS. AND IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T JUST COME AND THROW STUFF IN THE MIDDLE OF A SIDEWALK.

AND THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND LET IT SIT THERE.

ONCE IT RAINS, IT PROVIDES A HIDING SPOT FOR RODENTS.

FOR ALL KINDS OF RODENTS. AND OTHER CREATURES.

RIGHT NOW BEING TOLD IN MY COMMUNITY I HAVE A WILD FOX ATTACKING EVERYTHING IN THE COMMUNITY PIP HAVEN'T SEEN HIM.

I SEE THE CHIEF OF POLICE OUT THERE.

IF YOU HEAR POP POP OVER BY ME JUST LEAVE ME ALONE.

SO THAT'S ME TAKING CARE OF FOX.

I'M JUSTIFY LETTING YOU KNOW NOW.

I'M JUST BEING HONEST GUYS. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE.

THESE LANDLORDS BE PUT ON NOTICE AND SAY YOU GOT TO STOP IF YOU ARE GOING VIBLTH A PERSON THAT'S YOUR RIGHT.

DON'T PUT IT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

IT BLOWS OVER. NOW IT'S IN THE STREET AND I KNOW SCHOOL IS OUT BUT I'VE SEEN KIDS WALKING AROUND WALKING IN THE STREET BECAUSE THEY CAN'T WALK IN THE SIDEWALK. PLEASE DO THAT SIR FOR ME.

THANK YOU. >> I WAS WORKING WITH OUR RESPECTIVE TEAMS. BUILDING SIDE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT AND MYSELF ON THE PUBLIC WORKS SIDE.

DOING JUST THAT BECAUSE THE CODE ALLOWS FOR THAT.

REFUGE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PLACED CURBSIDE UNTIL DAY BEFORE PICK-UP. A LOT OF THIS IS SIGNIFICANT OUT THE WEEK BEFORE. YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. SO-- IT MEANS COUPLE OF ITEMS ALSO. THE CANS BEING LEFT OUT OVERNIGHT. JUST CERTAIN THINGS WITH REGARD TO YOUR COMMENT. MR. COSTS AND I JUST IDENTIFY THE AREA. AND ACTUALLY THAT AREA THAT WE WENT I FORGET THE NAME OF THE STREET COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

AND HONESTLY, IT LOOKED LIKE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.

>> IT DID. AND THERE WAS TRASH EVERYWHERE.

LITTLE DEAD END STREET ON THE CUL-DE-SAC.

SO WE DONE POST THAT. THEY WENT OUT AND INSPECT IT.

JUST HAD A CONVERSATION THIS MORNING.

AND THE SO WE NEED TO CITE THE HONOUR.

WE CAN IDENTIFY WHO THE RESIDENT IS BUT IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND THEIR PROPERTY.

SO WE HAVE THINGS ON THE BOOKS THAT WE JUST NEED TO ENFORCE.

AND IT IS OUR OBJECTIVE TO PROCEED WITH THE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT OF IT. WE STILL HAVE THINGS TO CLEAN UP. REGARDING TO EQUIPMENT.

STAFFING LEVELS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THE TEAM.SORT OF A RESET FOR - AND WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD.

DO SWEEPS AND DO CLEAN-UPS. AND COORDINATION WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT. NOT SURE I'D WANT TO GET IN FRONT OF ANY PLANS. JUST TO SPEAK TO IT.

THE IDEA OF-- YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTABLE CODE CHANGE IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT WILL ALLOW US TO FASTTRACK SOME OF THESE CLEAN-UP EFFORTS LIKE 72 HOURS.

WHETHER WE PICK IT UP OR CHARGE THEM OR IT GOES TO A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND WE SERVE NOTICE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THINGS COMING BEFORE YOU FOR THE PURPOSE OF FASTTRACK AND GET IT CLEANED UP IN AN EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE MANNER.

>> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND YOUR CONCERNS.

MR. JOHNSON, AM I NOT LOUD ENOUGH? MAN I'M USUALLY WAY TOO LOUD. MR. JOHNSON.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. SEVERAL THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED IN A PREVIOUS LIFE. WE HAVE THE COUNTY HAS CERTAIN AREAS OF THE AREA THAT THEY PICK UP.

AND THEN WE PICK UP. IN THE CITY.

SO WHAT I ALSO SEE IS AREAS SUCH AS CORTEZ AND PIQUON AVENUE ONE SIDE OF THE STREET CITY ONE IS COUNTY.

FROM A GOVERNMENT AND EFISHANCY STANDPOINT, I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD NOT HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY TO MAYBE DIVVY UP SOME PICK-UP AREAS AND WORK ON BETTER EFFICIENCY ON HOW WE COLLECT TRASH ON THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.

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BECAUSE WE DO VENN CLAVS THAT ARE UNINCORPORATED.

AND WE HAVE DRIVERS GOING THROUGH POSSIBLY TAKING NOTE OF THE ADDRESSES IN WHICH THESE DUMPOUTS IF YOU WILL.

COULD BE LOOKED AT. AND FOLLOWED UP ON.

THE OTHER IS. MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CONTRACT SERVICE TO GET CAUGHT UP.

I HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION AND INDICATED A WILLINGNESS TO SUPPORT THE CITY IN TRYING TO GET CAUGHT UP WITH WHAT WE HAVE ON THE STREET. IT'S INTERESTING THAT DURING COVID, THE CITY OF PORT ST. LUCIE AND THE COUNTY HAD GREAT CHALLENGES. BUT I DON'T RECALL COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE CITY AND DURING COVID.

THAT'S AN INTERESTING SITUATION.

BUT AS WE GO FORWARD WE'RE SEEING FOLKS AS YOU'VE SAID, GET HIRED AWAY. MAYBE THERE'S A POINT OF TEAMING UP IN WHICH A HYBRID PROCESS MAY OCCUR THAT WILL GIVE US ECONOMIES OF SCALE. REDUCE OUR COST AT THE LANDFILL. AND REDUCED OUR COLLECTION COST. THOSE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS THAT I HAVE FROM HERE. MAYBE WE CAN GO FURTHER THAN THAT AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. LANDRY AND THE SOLID WASTE GROUP OVER THERE.

WASTE PRO AS AN OPTION. >> YES, MA'AM.

ACTUALLY TO YOUR POINT, WE HAVE TO BEGIN THOSE COMMUNICATIONS.

AND ASSURED THEM WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT ANY TYPE OF REPLACEMENT OR ORGANIZATIONAL RIGHTS.

I HAVE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK WITH ONE OF THOSE SUCH CORPORATIONS ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP.

LOOKING AT SERVICE AREAS AND ROUTES.

AGAIN TO MAKE THEM MORE EFFICIENT.

BUT I HAVE TO GET THE DATA FIRST, RIGHT? THEY JUST WANT ANALYSIS LOOK AT IT WHICH I'VE DONE.

WE'RE COLLECTING THE DATA NOW. SOMEBODY LARGELY INEFFICIENT ROUTE FIVE. THERE'S SO MUCH IN BETWEEN THERE. IT COULD TAKE ALL DAY.

AND YOU WOULD GET NOTHING DONE. BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH BLANK SPACE IN BETWEEN. SO OPTIMIZING THOSE ROUTES.

IF VEHICLES ARE DOWN. AND WHETHER WE HAVE TWO ROUTES THAT NEED YOU TO TAKE CARE OF. FORSTAFFING IS SHORT.

ND WE DON'T HAVE AVAILABLE FOR WHATEVER REASON AND WE SUPPLEMENT THOSE AREAS. THOSE ARE IN PLACE.

NOTHING SOLID. ONCE WE GET ALL THE NUTS AND BOLTS OURSELFS. SO THAT'S DEFINITELY HAPPENING.

>> AND ANOTHER. WE DO THESE ANNEXATIONS WHEN I TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, IS THAT WHEN NEW DEVELOPMENTS COME THROUGH, THAT HAVE 40 0 OR 500 OR 600 UNITS, AND HAVING INDIVIDUAL PICK-UPS, THAT CAN BE COSTLY TO THE CITY AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY HAVING THE REVENUE NECESSARY TO RUN THE CITY. SO WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE DEVELOP AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IF WE HAVE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THAT. PAY SUPPLEMENTS OF SORTS TO DO INDIVIDUAL PICK SCOMBRUPS BECAUSE IT STRAINS THE CITY'S RESOURCES. IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT. THANK YOU MAYOR.

>> ALL RIGHTY. COMMISSIONER, ANYTHING? SO-- ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST AND I THINK IT WAS IN THE PLAN IS A LOT OF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW THAT-- A LOT OF WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW. SO I WOULD SAY IN SOME CASES, PEOPLE ARE PUTTING STUFF OUT THERE.

THINKING THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO HAPPEN ON THEIR DAY.

SO YOU HAVE A WHOLE CHAMBER HERE.

HOW SHOULD THEY FIND OUT? HOW DO THEY KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT

THING TO DO IS. >> AS OF TODAY I'VE REACHED TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER. THOET FIEING EVERYONE AS TO THE DAYS AND TIMES WHAT THE SIZES AND LIMITS ARE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER KIND OF NOTIFICATION.

AS WE HIT THE RESET BUTTON AND HERE TRY TO GET OUR STREETS AND OUR CITIES BACK WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.

>> AND THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN PERIODICALLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE MOVING IN AND NOT GETTING THE MESSAGE THE FIRST TIME. SOW CAN'T EDUCATE ON THAT

ENOUGH, RIGHT? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. JOHNSON. DO YOU HAVE--.

>> THAT'S IT. I JUST WANT TO THANK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.

I SEE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF BECAUSE THIS IS A GROWING CRISIS AND OUR GROWING COMMUNITY AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE CONVERSATION. SO WITH THAT-- MADAM CLERK, I PULL ITEM D AND E. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT ON E.

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CAN I MAKE A MOTION? I'LL TAKE THEM SEPARATELY.

>> I HAVEN'T READ E YET. SO TWO SEPARATE.

>> OKAY WITH THAT I MOVE APPROVE OF ITEM CONSENT ITEM D.

>> SECOND. >> THERE'S A MOTION IN SECOND.

CALL THE ROLE PLEASE.

[E. Approval to increase purchase order 260364 from $46,410.00 to $71,910.00 (an additional $25,500.00) with RDK Truck Sales, Tampa, FL to cover the cost of refuse truck rentals.]

SO ITEM E IS THE APPROVAL TO INCREASE PURCHASE ORDER 26050364 FROM $46,410 TO $71,910.

WITH RDK TRUCK SALES OF TAMPA, FLORIDA TO COVER THE COST OF

REFUSE TRUCK RENTALS. >> SO MOTION.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> THE ROLE PLEASE. >>.

[A. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Application for Major Site Plan Amendment to existing Conditional Use has been submitted by property owner, Bishop of Diocese Palm Beach and Representative McCarty & Associates Land Planning, to add an additional 45,159 sq. ft building on John Carroll High School, located at 407 S. 33rd St. and 3402 Delaware Ave., Fort Pierce, FL. The property is zoned Medium Density Residential, R-4.]

>> OKAY NEXT WE HAVE A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING FOR THE APPLICATION FOR MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CONDITIONAL USE PROPERTIER OWNER OF BISHOP DIOCESE PALM BEACH AND REPRESENTED MCCARTIER ASSOCIATES WE ARE PLANNING TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 45,159SQUARE FOOT ON JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL. LOEBLTHED AT 407 SOUTH 30 THIRD STREET AND 3002 DELAWARE AVENUE IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA.

THIS PROGRAM ZONED MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL R4.

>> ALL RIGHT MS. HEDGES WE HAVE TWO QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS.

SO IF EVERYBODY IN THE CHAMBER WOULD LISTEN TO THESE PROCEDURES. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

>> YES, MA'AM. THE CITY COMMISSION SERVES LEGISLATIVE AND QUASI JUDICIAL ROLE.

WHEN ACTING AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY THEY ARE ACT AS LAW MAKING TO PASS LAWS AND ESTABLISHING POLICYS.

WHEN ACTING AS QUASI JUDICIAL BODTY COMMISSION APPLIES THOSE LAWS AND POLICIES AND IS HELD TO STRICTER PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS. QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS ARE LESS FORMAL THAN PROCEEDINGS BEFORE CIRCUIT COURT.

BUT ARE MORE FORMAL THAN THE NORMAL COMMISSION MEETING.

QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS MUST FOLLOW BASIC STANDARDS OF NOTICE AND DUE PROCESS AND DECISIONS MUST BE MADE BASED ON CONFIDENCE, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENT.

THEREFORE COMMISSIONERS HAVE A DUTY TO CONDUCT THE QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS. MORE LIKE JUDGES THAN LEGISLATOR PS. THAT IS WHY THE COMMISSION HAS ESTABLISHED UNISFORM PROCEDURES FOR QUASIJUDICIAL HEARINGS THAT WILL BE FOL THOUGHED EVENING. FINALLY NO ONE SHOULD APPROACH ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION ON THE-- CITY ATTORNEY OR CLERK DURING THE HEARING.

IF DOCUMENTS ARE TO BE GIVEN TO THE CITY CLERK, PLEASE GIVE THEM TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS WHICH ARE ANY OF THE POLICE

OFFICERS IN THE CHAMBER. >> MADAM CLERK.

HAVE THE OIZ TIZING AND NOTICE REQUIREMENTS BEEN MET?

ADVERTISING. >> YES THEY HAVE BEEN MET.

>> SO AT THIS TIME WOULD YOU ASK COMMISSIONERS ABOUT

EX-PAR-- COMMUNICATIONS. >> YES COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>> NOTHING--. >> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY?

>> I HAVE MET WITH MCCARTE PLANNING GROUP AND THE

REPRESENTATIVES. >> I HAVE TO CHANGE MINE LINDA.

I MET WITH THEM AS WELL. >> OKAY.

>> ECOMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES I MET WITH THE DEVELOPER

AND-- GROUP. >> MR. JOHNS SMN.

>> DITTO. MET WITH BOTH.

>> AND MAYOR HUDSON? >> SO I WATCHED THE PLANNING BOARD AND HAVE HAD AN E-MAIL FROM THE CITY ZEN.

I'VE HAD A PHONE CALL AND A CITIZEN AND CONVERSATIONS WITH-- SOME OF THE PEOPLE AT JOHN CARROLL.

>> MS. COX. I'VE SENT YOU AN E-MAIL.

THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. JUST GOT HIT THE AFTERNOON ABOUT 2:15. HADN'T READ IT UNTIL A FEW

MINUTES BEFORE OUR MEETING. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWEAR IN

THE WITNESSS? >> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THIS INCLUDES ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT

PLAN TO SPEAK. >> LORD HAVE MERCY.

>> DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, MA'AM.

BEFORE YOU BEGIN, I WAS GETTING SOME FACES LIKE MAYBE SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS WERE CONCERNED THEY ALSO GOT THE E-MAIL BUT MAY NOT HAVE READ THEM.

AT THIS POINT, SO IF YOU DID RECEIVE THEM BUT YOU HAD NOT

READ THEM, THAT'S OKAY. >> THE ONE I GOT WAS THIS

AFTERNOON. >> YES I GOT IT AND READ IT.

>> IF EVERYBODY GOT IT I MUST HAVE HAD IT TOO.

I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO READ IT YET.

BUT I WILL READ IT. >> THANK YOU.

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>> ALL RIGHT. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED?

>> YES. >> GOOD.

GOOD EVENING MADAM MAYOR. CITY COMMISSIONERS.

CARRIE CHARLES DRIVER PLANNER FOR CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I BRING BEFORE YOU A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT TO EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE FOR JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL LOCATED AT 407 SOUTH 33RD STREET AND 3402 DELAWARE AVENUE.

THE APPLICANT IS MCCARTY AND ASSOCIATED REPRESENTED BY MIKE MCCARTY. PROPERTY OWNERS BISHOP OF DIOCESE PALM BEACH. 24083240020007 WHICH IS 407 SOUTH 33RD STREET. AND 240831300020003 AND 2408324. 00010000 REPRESENTED BY 3402 DELAWARE AVENUE. IN SUMMARY, A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT TO EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION HAS BEEN CONSIDERED TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 45,159 SQUARE FOOT OHN CARROLL SCHOOL SEEKING APPROVAL TO ASSESS BUILDING FOR Select to skip to this part of the video">OHN CARROLL SCHOOL SEEKING APPROVAL TO ASSESS BUILDING FOR ACADEMIC AND ADMINISTRATIVE AND CHAPEL USE.

THAT IS SPELT WRONG. HERE TEASE SITE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE SITE AREA IS 17.49 ACRES GIVE OR TAKE. THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PROPERTY IS RM RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM.

ZONING RESIDENTIAL. SITE PLAN DETAILS ARE AS FOLLOW. THE BUILDING OVERALL IS 45,159 SQUIRE FEET. BROKEN UP INTO THREE FLOORS PLUS A TERRACE. THE OVERALL BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS--. BUILDING HEIGHT 44 FEET HIGH.

THREE STORIES. THERE WOULD BE 259 PARKING SPACES PROVIDED. FOUR ADA AND FOUR BUS SPACES AND TWO RETENTION PONDS. A FEW ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS.

HERE'S THE OVERALL PROPOSED BUILDING LOOK.

AS YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE COLOURS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED WILL BE A PORCELAIN WALL TOWER. EXTERIOR DOORS WOULD BE TRIM IN BLUE AND BLACK. BUILDING DESIGN UP CLOSE FACILITATION FOR OVERHANG AND TERRACE.

THERE WOULD BE SOME GLASS BLOCKS ADDED TO THE DESIGN AS WELL AS INSPIRATION FOR METAL FENCE ALONGSIDE OF THE BUILDING. INSIDE OF THE CHAPEL INSPIRATION. LANDSCAPE DETAILS.

TOTAL OF 182 TREES ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE PLANTED THROUGHOUT THE NORTHWEST SOUTH OF THE BUILDING.

AS WELL AS 200-- SHRUBS ADDED TO THE LANDSCAPE AS WELL.

AT THE APRIL 13 2026 PLANNING BOARD MEETLING IT WAS APPROVED TO MOVE THE AMENDMENT APPLICATION FORWARD WITH THE CITY COMMISSION WITH THE FOLLOWING SIX CONDITIONS.

ONE, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT PROVIDED BY THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE MUST BE NOTERIZED AND SUBMITTED.

TWO, A SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IS REQUIRED WITH COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. THREE, A LAND CLEARING PERMIT MUST BE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED PRIOR TO THIS SUBMISSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT WITH CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

FOUR, A TREE REMOVAL DEPARTMENT WITH MITIGATIONS REQUIRED PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. FIVE, ALL SIGNED PERMITS SHALL

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BE FILED SEPARATELY OF DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND FINALLY SIX DEMOLITION PERMITS ARE REQUIRED PRIOR TO SUBMISSION OF SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS. STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL OF THE SIX CONDITIONS. ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE TO ONE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH ADDITION OR MODIFIED CONDITIONS. OR TWO, RESHG MEND DISAPPROVAL.

THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

EXCISIONER BRODERICK? >> BIG PLAN.

VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. JOHN CARROLL OBVIOUSLY IS A VERY PROMINENT MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY HERE.

BUSINESS COMMUNITY. RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY ET CETERA AND THEY HAVE A BIG PRESENCE IN THE CITY AND YOU'D BE STUNNED AT HOW MANY ALUMNI OUT IN THIS AUDIENCE HERE TONIGHT POTENTIALLY. BUT HAVING SAID THAT I THINK SITE PLAN IS GOOD. AND I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY IT CLOSELY WITH MEMBERS OF THEIR TEAM.

SO DIRECTOR FREEMAN. ONE QUESTION.

YOU KNOW THE STANDING QUESTION. AND THIS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THIS IS-- IN ES ANSWER RELIGIOUS PROPERTY.

IN SOME CAPACITY. SO IT DOES HAVE THOSE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE SUPERIOR TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

>> RIGHT. >> SO DID YOU REQUEST ANYTHING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT THEY DID NOT PROVIDE TO YOU IN

THEIR APPLICATION? >> QUITE THE CONTRARY.

I THINK WE'VE HAD A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE WAY THEY LISTEN TO OUR COMMENTS AND INCORPORATE IT WITHIN THEIR OWN DESIGN ELEMENTS OF THAT ARCHITECTURE WHICH STANDS OUT.

SO WE'RE VERY VERY HAPPY. >> WHAT WAS THE THEME YOU WERE

REQUESTING THAT THEY GO WITH? >> IT WASN'T A THEME.

JUST A MUTUAL APPRECIATION OF WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THIS PROPERTY. AND THEY'VE GOT-- YOU KNOW-- THEY UTILIZE VERY GOOD ARCHITECTURES.

GOOD ARCHITECTS. AND WE HAVE VERY LITTLE COMMENT TO MAKE ON THE ACTUAL ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING I BELIEVE. THEY LISTENED TO US BEFORE THEY

SUBMITTED. >> SO I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I WENT TO MR. FREEMAN WITH THAT QUESTION.

I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKING YOU.

>> IT'S OKAY. HE ANSWERED CORRECT.

YES, HE DID. >> ALL RIGHT, SO YOU MADE IT

THROUGH THE EVENING. >> SO IN THE CONTEXT.

I GUESS THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION THAT I UTILIZED AS A CATCH ALL. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S MISSING IN THE PLAN IN THE AGREEMENTS THAT WERE REACHED.

WHAT THEY NEED TO DO SO EXECUTE ET CETERA.

THIS IS YOUR TIME TO TELL ME. SO I CAN CALL THEM UP HERE AND-- EXTRACT FROM THEM ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD NEED.

SO YOU'RE SATISFIED AS MS. DIRECTOR IS AS WELL?

>> VERY MUCH SATISFIED COMMISSIONER.

>> OKAY. THEN I AM GOOD.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES? COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY.

>> THIS MAY BE ONE FOR THE DEVELOPER OR THE APPLICANT.

BUT MS. DRIVER, IN A PREVIOUS LIFE THERE WAS ISSUES BETWEEN CITY AND THE COUNTY WITH ROADS AND DRAINAGE.

WERE THOSE ROADS DISCUSSED AND POSITIVE RESOLVE COME FROM THAT AND DID WE HAVE ANY OUTSTANDING ISSUES FROM THE COUNTY AS TO

CONCERNS? >> SO NO OUTSTANDING BUT THE COUNTY DID HAVE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT PRYER TO DEVELOPMENTS SUBMIT A SITE DEVELOPMENT TO THEM TO MAP

OUT ANYTHING THEY NEED TO. >> AND THE DRAINAGE WAS

ADDRESSED? >> YES, SIR.

IT WAS. >> THAT WAS ALWAYS AN ISSUE.

THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ALONG THE SAME LINE. THAT'S DELAWARE AVENUE.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S-- JOINT OPERATION TO IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION. BUT I KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY WILL GO ON OUR AGENDA WITH THE COUNTY.

DELAWARE AVENUE. AND IMPROVING IT.

AND SO CAN YOU TELL ME-- ARE THE ENTRANCE AND EXITS CHANGED

ON THIS PLAN? >> TO MY UNDERSTANDING, MADAM MAYOR, NO THE ENTRANCE AND THEIC A SXES EXIT ARE STILL THE SAME. SO THERE'S NOTHING GOING TO BE CHANGED TO THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE PLAN AS FAR AS THAT IS

CONCERNED. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. I'D LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD PLEASE. AND I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU IF YOU

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> I DO NOT MA'AM.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO YOU CAN IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND IF YOU HAVE ANY PRESENTATION OR IF YOU DON'T, YOU WANT US TO ASK QUESTIONS, IT'S UP TO YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE A PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. MY NAME'S MIKE MCCARTY WITH MCCARTY LAND PLANNING AND DESIGN.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

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THANK YOU KEV. >> YOU WERE SWORN IN, CORRECT?

>> I'M SORRY? >> YOU WERE SWORN IN?

>> YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU. REPRESENTING JOHN CARROLL AND THE PALM BEACH DIOCESE, IT'S BEEN AN HONOUR TO BE A PART OF THIS PROJECT. LONG-TIME SIX-GENERATION RESIDENT FORT PIERCE GRADUATE FROM JOHN CARROLL.

IT'S BEEN A COUPLE SATURDAYS MAYBE IN DETENTION.

BUT I TURNED OUT OKAY. I TURNED OUT OKAY.

BUT NO, VERY FORTUNATE TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS SCHOOL. WHAT A PILLAR IT IS.

AS STAFF INDICATED THERE'S TWO ADDRESSES THAT ARE IDENTIFYING THIS SITE 407 DELAWARE AVENUE AND 3402 DELAWARE AVENUE AS WELL. I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE A TEAM REG ARCHITECTS DID A FANTASTIC JOB ON THE ARCHITECTURE.

VAL CON ENGINEERING AND SURVEYING.

HERE AS WELL. AND JACQUELINE AND SONS BEEN VERY HELPFUL WORKING WITH WITH US IN THE VALUE ENGINEERING AND THEIR CONSULTATION. HAS BEEN FANTASTIC AS WELL.

THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE MAJOR SITE PLAN USE.

PROJECT PROPOSES NEW THREE STORY 45,159 SQUARE FOOT ACADEMIC AND ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING REPLACING OUTDATED CLASS ROOMS AND PORTABLES. CURRENTLY 8 PORTABLES ON THE CAMPUS. IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT COURSE ON SITE. THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN THERE OVER 60 YEARS. WE JUST HAD OUR 60 YEAR ANNIVERSARY. AND THE SITE IS IN NEED OF NEW FACILITYS. APPROXIMATELY 12,000 SQUARE FEET OF ACTUAL PERMANENT BUILDINGS BEING REMOVED.

AND THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE EIGHT PORTABLES.

SO APPROXIMATELY ANOTHER 8,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS WE'LL DIVE INTO THE GRAPHIC HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT MOST NOTEWORTHY ARE STORM WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM. CURRENTLY VERY LACKING BEING THAT IT'S SO OLD. A LOT ARE EXISTING WITHIN A MOMENT OF THE TREES. UNIMPROVEED.

YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME ASPHALT HERE OR CAN CRETE OR ROCK.

WE'RE GOING TO BE IMPROVING THAT.

IMPROVING PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS THROUGHOUT CAMPUS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY IMPROVING ADA AND ACCESSIBILITY.

SO THIS SITE PLAN GRAPHIC BEFORE YOU, REALLY SHOWS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.

TO THE SOUTH IS DELAWARE AVENUE.

LONG RECTANGULAR BUILDING YOU SEE THERE.

THAT'S THE EXISTING BUILDING, OKAY.

AND THEN THIS IS THE NEW PROPOSED BUILDING.

SO THE ARCHITECT DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF TRYING TO DESIGN A BUILDING IN WHICH COMPLIMENTS AND TIES INTO.

. CURRENT STORM WATER FACILITIES ON SITE ARE NON-EXISTENT. SO THE POST CONDITIONS WILL BE

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FAR BETTER. SO TO THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING SURVEY. YOU CAN SEE DRIVING COMES OFF OF DELAWARE. YOU CAN SEE THE CIRCULATION PATTERNS VERY LIMITED. IN A LOOP.

AGAIN THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN. PRETTY MUCH IS THE SAME EXACT THING AS THE GRAPHIC THAT I PRESENTED.

THAT'S IN COLOUR. HOWEVER WE HAVE OUR SITE DATA HERE. I DROP-OFF SXAER PICK-UP AREA ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDLINGING.

SO REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT WE'RE ROTATING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND CREATING THAT AS A FRONTAGE.

WHEREAS THE ONLY FRONTAGE HISTORICALLY IS DELAWARE.

SO WE'RE CREATING ANOTHER FRONTAGE ON THE WEST SIDE.

AND THAT WILL BE THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL.

THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. DOING A GREAT JOB.

ANALYSIS. WITH OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.

AND STAFF. ACTUALLY WALKING.

WORTH SAVING. JUST SEEING THIS PACKAGE TREE MITIGATION PLAN. TABULATING GIVES YOU THE DISPOSITION OF THE DEGREES. MANY OF THE TREES ON SITE HAVE AGED AND ARE IN POOR SHAPE. SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN DISEASE.

VEHICLES BEEN PARKED ON THE ROUTES.

SO TREES THAT ARE IN A DECLINE IN HEALTH.

THOSE ARE NOT MITIGATED. THOSE ARE SIMPLY ACCOUNTED FOR AS BEING REMOVED. AND AGAIN HERE IS THE ARCHITECTURE. SO IT IS FANTASTIC AND I CAN SEE I MISSPELT THERE SO THAT WILL DRIVE ME CRAZY BUT I'LL BRING UP RG ARCHITECTS AND INTRODUCE YOU TO CHRISTINE

MERYL. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.

I'LL KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET. I DON'T DO VERY MUCH PUBLIC SPEAKING. BUT THE NEW CLASSROOM BUILDING DRAWS INSPIRATION FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING WHICH IS A MID CENTURY MODERN STYLE. WE ARE INCORPORATING THE RHYTHM OF THE STRUCTURAL BASE. THE DETAIL ITEMS INTO THE NEW CLASS ROOM BUILDING AND ADDINGS A RECESS FACADE THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THON IMAGE. BUT BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS TO SHOW DISTINCT SEPARATION BUT TOGETHERNESS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS THERE AND WHAT WE'RE BUILDING UPON.

THE HISTORY AND THE NEW HISTORY THAT'S COMING FORWARD.

WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A VERY STRONG BASE ABOUT THE DETAIL AND THE TILE AND DID IT AT THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL.

WE'VE INCORPORATED A MULTITUDE OF WINDOWS TO BRING LIGHT AND THEY GO TOGETHER HAND IN HAND. LIGHT AND LEARNING.

AND THE LAST THING WE WANTED TO BRING SUP WE'VE ELEVATED THE CHAPEL. UNDERNEATH THE DIRECT ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL. SO MAIN ENTRANCE VIEW WITH THE CHAPEL ABOVE. AND ALSO THIS BOTTOM VIEW IS OF THE COURTYARD. AND THE VIEWS THAT THE PEOPLE INHABITANTS LOOK SO VERY CENTRAL.

IT BRINGS EVERYBODY TOGETHER. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> THANK YOU. APRIL 13TH THEY RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUSLY APPROVAL. WE ALSO HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND ON MAY 13TH WE HELD A NEIGHBOURHOOD MEETING.

ON CAMPUS AT JOHN CARROLL IN THE CAFETERIA.

WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 15 INDIVIDUALS COME TO MEET WITH US. WE ESSENTIALLY USE THE SAME MAILOUT LIST PROVIDED BY THE CLERK FOR YOUR NOTIFICATIONS OF THIS HEARING. WE'VE BEEN OPEN BOOK.

MEETING WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS AND THE COMMUNITY.

WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. WE BELIEVE THIS APPLICATION IS

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IN ORDER. WE'VE DEMMEN STRAITED COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WE REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.

THANK YOU. >> SO MR. MCCARTY.

ONE OF THE NEIGHBOURS HAD SAID THIS IS AN EXPANSION.

BUT I READ IN THE BACK-UP THAT THIS IS NOT AN EXPANSION.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

WE ARE REMOVING BUILDINGS AND EIGHT PORTABLES AND THEN WE ARE VERTICALLY INTEGRATING INTO A THREE STORY BUILDING THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS INCREASING. BUT A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE PROVIDING CHAPELS AND ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES.

SO WE'RE NOT INCREASING NECESSARILY THE CAPACITY.

LIKE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GO TO A THOUSAND KIDS AT THIS CAMPUS

OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> RIGHT.

I WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD. BECAUSE I READ THAT IN THE BACK-UP. BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

YES. COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY?

>> THANK YOU. MR. MCCARTY, THANK YOU FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS. I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF OLD OAKS ON THE PROPERTY THAT MAY NOT LAST-- I'VE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH THOSE ON THE PROPERTY THAT I ONCE HAD AND ONCE THEY GO, THEY ARE GONE. SO I APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS THE STORM WATER IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE ALWAYS HARPED ON WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT COMING THROUGH AND THE OTHER IS REMOVING PORTABLES IN HURRICANE EVENTS IS MUCH BETTER FOR OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND ESPECIALLY PARTICIPANTS AT THE SCHOOL. I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE COUNTY FIRE DISTRICT PROCESS AND HAD APPROVAL ON TRUCK MOVEMENT AND LADDER TRUCKS BECAUSE HUH A THREE STORY WHERE YOU DIDN'T MOSTLY SO THAT'LL BE A CONCERN.

AND AN APPROACH THAT THE FIRE DISTRICT WOULD HAVE TO APPRECIATE. COMING TO A CALL.

SO HAS THAT BEEN ACCOMPLISHED? OR ANY CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING A LADDER TRUCK MOVE THROUGH THAT PROPERTY?

>> WE DID SUBMIT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

AND IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

AND THEY DID APPROVE OUR PLAN. THE ACTUAL PLAN NOW PROVIDES FAR BETTER ACCESS AND CIRCULATION IN TURNING RADIUSES TO ACCOMMODATE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WHERE THE CURRENT CONDITIONS I'M NOT SURE THEY CAN GET THROUGH THERE WITHOUT CLIPPING A TREE.

SO YES, WE DID DEMONSTRATE AUTO TURN AS WELL.

SO THE CIRCULATION DOES WORK FOR THEM.

THANK YOU. >> THAT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE AND I'M GLAD IT WAS DONE AND THEY ARE PREPARED.

THANK YOU. >> SO I THINK COMMISSIONER GAINES THEN COMMISSIONER JOHNSEN?

>> THANK YOU FOR REPORTING IN. AND JUST CURIOUS WHERE WE LEFT OUR MEETING YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC MEETING. SO-- ANY CONCERNS THAT YOU GOT DURING THAT MEETING THAT I MIGHT NOT HAVE GOTTEN? OR DIDN'T READ IN MY E-MAIL? OR WILL READ IT? ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD SO WE CAN HEAR THE CONCERNS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED?

>> ABSOLUTELY. HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE.

SO YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIMES PRIOR TO A NEIGHBOURHOOD MEETING PEOPLE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN. RIGHTFULLY SO.

AND SO WHEN WE PRESENTED THE PROJECT TO THEM AND EXPLAIN TO THEM THE SCOPE, AND WHAT'S ULTIMATELY THE GOAL OF THE PROJECT, SOME OF THE CONCERNS WERE VALID.

TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN. YOU KNOW-- DURING DAYS OF PICK-UP AND DROP-OFF, DURING THOSE HOURS, DURING THE DAY.

THAT'S CERTAINLY A VALID CONCERN.

AND SO THROUGH THIS DESIGN, WE ARE PULLING TRAFFIC OFF OF DELAWARE. AND AS I CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE DIOCESE ON PHASES ACROSS THIS PROJECT ON THE ROAD, WE'RE GOING TO BE CONTINUING TO IMPLEMENT PRACTICES OF TRYING TO RESOLVE AND RELIEVE THAT TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

BUT YES, THE MAIN CONCERN WAS THE TRAFFIC.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSEN? >> SO I'LL STAY ON THAT SUBJECT. SO I DID SEE IN THE BACK-UP DOCUMENTS A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE, RIGHT?

>> WE PROVIDED A TRAFFIC STATEMENT, YES.

IT WAS SUBMITTED AND UPLOADED. YES, SIR.

>> AND I THINK THE TRAFFIC STATEMENT STUDY ONLINE MORE TO THE POPULATION OF STUDENTS. THAT YOU HAVE IT AT SCHOOL,

RIGHT? >> YEAH.

500 WAS THE CAP. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> RIGHT. AND SO YOUR CURRENT INVOLVEMENT

IS-- ENROLLMENT. >> I'M GOING TO SAY JUST OVER 4? 475 EXCUSE ME.

>> AND I WANTED THAT ON RECORD TOO.

BECAUSE I TOO RECEIVED AN E-MAIL THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF THAT. BUT BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF DESIGN AND HOW YOU HAVE DESIGNED THIS CAPACITY FOR ADDITIONAL STUDENTS AT THAT POINT.

YOU'RE KIND OF REPURPOSING THE MOBILE PARK HOMES OR WHATEVER THEY ARE. PORTABLES THAT ARE OVER THERE.

WHICH ARE OUTDATED. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS CLARITY ON THAT AND MEMB TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE AT 500 AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, BY

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REDEVELOPMENT AND REORGANIZING HOW YOU NAVIGATE THE PARKING LOT, MORE OF THOSE CARS WILL COME OFF OF DELAWARE TO NAVIGATE THE DROP-OFF STUDENTS. PICK-UP STUDENTS IN THE SHORT TIME ON DELAWARE IS LITERALLY TO GET IN AND GET OUT AND NOT STAGE IN AND STACKING TO ENTER AND GET OUT OF THERE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S ACCURATE.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> MR. BRODERICK DO YOU HAVE

ANYTHING? >> NO, I'M GOOD.

>> OKAY. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS OPEN IT UP IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY ELSE AND THEN WE'LL ASK YOU TO COME BACK IF YOU NEED TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO CORY-- PRESIDENT FOR

JOHN CARROLL. >> SURE.

>> GOOD EVENING MADAM MAY SCOMBROR COMMISSIONERS.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. I APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE I HAVE

LARYNGITIS. >> STATE YOUR NAME.

>> CORY HE-- AND I CURRENTLY SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF JOHN

CARROLL. >> AND WERE YOU SWORN IN?

OKAY GOOD THANK YOU. >> AS A BIT OF BACKGROUND I WANTED TO START OUT BY SHARING THAT I AM A PROUD GRADUATE OF JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL. I HAVE WORKERED THERE FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS. I SERVED AS A CLASS ROOM TEACHER FOR MANY YEARS. ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL, PRINCIPAL FOR SIX YEARS THEN PRESIDENT. AND I CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY WORKING AT JOHN CARROLL HAS BEEN ONE OF THE GREATEST BLESSINGS OF MY LIFE SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS NEXT CHAPTER IN OUR SCHOOL'S HISTORY HERE IN FORT PIERCE. LAST YEAR AS SHARED WE CELEBRATED OUR 60TH ANNIVERSARY IN OUR CURRENT LOCATION ON DELAWARE. FOR MORE THAN SIX DECADES OUR SCHOOL HAS SOUGHT TO EDUCATE STUDENTS MIND BODY AND SPIRIT IN THE MODEL OF JESUS CHRIST. OUR GOAL IS NOT JUST TO FORM STUDENTS ACADEMICALLY BUT TO CULTIVATE WITHIN THEM A COMMUNITY MINDED SPIRIT. PASSION FOR SERVICE AND DEEP ABIDING FAITH. AND AS SOMEONE MENTIONED COMMISSIONER BRODERICK THERE ARE MANY JOHN CARROLL ALUMNI THAT SERVE THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY HERE IN FORT PIERCE.

THIS EVENING WE ARE HERE ON BEHALF OF OUR SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR THIS NEW ACADEMIC BUILDING.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT THE PROJECT HAS BEEN A THOUGHTFUL AND MISSION-DRIVEN PROCESS.

WHERE WE'RE SEEKING TO INVEST IN OUR EXISTING CAMPUS AS MR. MCCARTY SHARED. REPLACING EXISTING PORTABLES.

AND IN ORDER TO PROVIDE BETTER AND MORE MODERN SPACES FOR OUR STUDENTS. BUT ALSO NOT TO EXPAND ENROLLMENT. BUT TO EXPAND IN OUR CURRICULAR OFFERINGS AND PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN OFFER.

RIGHT NOW AT JOHN CARROLL WE'RE VERY LIMITED LET'S SAY WE WANTED TO DEVELOP A COMPUTER SCIENCE PROGRAM.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO HAVE THAT SORT OF PROGRAM ON OUR CAMPUS. SO IT'S LOOKING TO EXPAND THOSE OFFERINGS TO OUR STUDENTS. I ALSO JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT OUR GOAL ALWAYS IS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOUR.

WE'VE BEEN ON DELAWARE AVENUE FOR 60 YEARS AND I HOPE WE'VE BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOUR THROUGHOUT THAT TIME.

AND TO RE-INVEST IN THAT LOCAL COMMUNITY THERE ALONG WITH CHURCH AND SCHOOL. IT'S OUR GOAL TO BE GOOD PARTNERS. AND JUST IF I MAY SHARE A SHORT SNIPPET. WANTED TO SHARE FROM A LETTER THAT A SENIOR WROTE US THIS WEEK.

JUST GRADUATED FRIDAY FROM SUNRISE THEATRE AND I THINK APPROPRIATELY SHARES THE WHY BEHIND OUR WORK.

HE WROP-- TEACHERS AND STAFF CONSTANTLY PUSH MED TO BAM BETTER VERSION OF MYSELF. EVEN WHEN I DOUBTED MY ABILITIES, THERE WERE ALWAYS PEOPLE HERE TO ENCOURAGED ME TO KEEP GOING AND TO REMIND ME OF MY OWN POTENTIAL.P TO MY TEACHR YOUR PATIENCE, YOUR SACRIFICES AND THE COUNTLESS HOURS YOU HAVE SPENT HELPING STUDENTS SUCCEED.

MANY OF YOU TEACH LESSONS THAT WENT FAR BEYOND THE TEXTBOOK OR ASSIGNMENTS. YOU TAUGHT PERSEVERANCE.

DISCIPLINE, COMPASSION AND CHARACTER.

THOSE WERE THE LESSONS THAT I WILL CARRY WITH ME LONG AFTER GRADUATION. LOOKING BACK, I REALIZE THAT THIS SCHOOL GAVE ME MORE THAN AN EDUCATION.

IT GAVE ME CONFIDENCE, DIRECTION, FAITH, FRIENDSHIPS AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT HELPED TO SHAPE MY FUTURE.

NO MATTER WHERE LIFE TAKES ME, I WILL ALWAYS BE PROUD TO SAY THAT I WAS A PART OF JOHN CARROLL.

AND THAT'S FROM AN 18-YEAR-OLD GRADUATE AND SENIOR.

I THINK IT PERFECTLY ENCAPSULATES THE FEELING THAT SO MANY OF US IN THIS ROOM WHO ARE ALUMNI WHAT WE FEEL ABOUT OUR SCHOOL AND WE ARE AGAIN VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS WE LOOK TO CONTINUE TO BE A GOOD PARTNER HERE IN FORT PIERCE FOR MANY GENERATIONS TO COME.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.

>> THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.

>> OKAY WE'LL OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC AND WE MAY CALL YOU BACK. NOW ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. STATE YOUR NAME AND TELL ME WHETHER YOU WERE SWORN IN AND MS. COX WILL GIVE YOU A TEN

SECOND WARNING. >> HI MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER VEIN. AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.

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MY CONCERN IS THERE'S 50 CARS NOW BACK DURING THE DAY.

MOVING IT UP TO OVER THREE CARS.

OF THE 50 CARS BACK THERE DURING THE DAY.

40 OF THEM LEAVE OUT THE BACK GATE ONTO SOUTH 36TH STREET TO EDGE IT ONTO ORANGE AVENUE WHICH IS NOW BECOMING VERY CROWDED. AROUND 3 AND 4 IN THE AFTERNOON. DELAWARE AVENUE IS IMPASSABLE BECAUSE OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

SO THE CARS THAT LEAVE AROUND 3 OR 4 CAN'T GO DOWN DELAWARE AVENUE TO GET INTO DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE AREA.

GO OUT TO HARTMANN ROAD WHICH BACKS UP BECAUSE THERE'S NO LIGHT THERE. AND IT ONLY TAKES ONE CAR TO MAKE A LEFT TURN AND THAT BACKS UP.

SAME OFF OF SOUTH 36TH STREET. AND IT HAS TO GO ACROSS THE DIVIDED HIGHWAY AND TRAFFIC STARTS BACKING UP.

SO THEY ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CLOSE THE BACK GATE.

BECAUSE AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE, THEY'VE CALLED THAT THE STUDENT ENTRANCE. EVEN THOUGH THEY TECHNICALLY HAVE THE ENTRANCE ONNAL DELAWARE AVENUE.

BUT IN THE MORNING FOR AN HOUR DAFR IT'S IMPASSABLE.

AND PROBABLY SAME IN THE AFTERNOON.

I WENT BY THERE AT 3 O'CLOCK TODAY AND THERE WAS 20 CARS TRYING TO GET INTO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

IT'S NOT THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

IT'S THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AND THERE IS NO ACCESS FOR THE PARENTS TO PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN.

MOST WOULD GO TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.

DRIVE TO THE HIGH SCHOOL AND PARK BEHIND THE LOT.

THEY GO IN AND OUT 36TH STREET. 90% OF THEM KIDS ARE GREAT KIDS. 10% ARE TEENAGERS.

GOING A HUNDRED MILES AN HOUR OUT THERE.

OKAY. AN UNIMPROVED ROAD AND THREE YEARS AGO STATE WAS DOING SOME CONSTRUCTION AND THEY PUT DOWN MULLINGS. THEY WILL NOT HANDLE THE HEAVY CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC. IT WILL NOT.

IT'S ALREADY FROM ATLANTIC AVENUE TO THE SCHOOL.

TO THE CHURCH PROBABLY TO THE G GATE. IT'S POTHOLE CITY.

I TAKE MY TRACTOR AND I TRY TO SMOOTH IT OUT WITH MY BOX GREATER. IT'S HORRIBLE.

IF THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY IMPROVEMENT WITH THE STREET LIGHTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I WILL HAVE TO SAY THIS IS NOT A

GOOD IDEA. >> THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT?

>> I BELIEVE I'VE BEEN SWORN IN.

MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS JOEY TREEFARMER I'M A FOURTH GENERATION ST. LUCIE COUNTY RESIDENT. TREEFARMER ON MY DAD'S SIDE HULL-- ON THE MOM MAYBE FIFTH GENERATION.

HERE TO COMPLETE SUPPORT AND MODERNIZATION AND REVITALIZATION OF JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL.

WITH THIS NEW ACADEMIC BUILDING IS A MUST NEED WITH ITS AGING INFRASTRUCTURE. AND IT'S TIME FOR THOSE PORTABLES TO GO. JOHN CARROLL IS A VERY IMPORTANT SCHOOL IN FORT PIERCE AND HAS SERVED MANY GENERATIONS OF FAMILIES INCLUDING MINE. MY WOOIF AND I BOTH GRADUATED JOHN CARROLL AS DID RECENTLY OUR DAUGHTER.

OLIVIA. I CANNOT EXPRESS ENOUGH HOW MUCH JOHN CARROLL MEANS TO ME AND MY FAMILY.

NOW THE NEXT GENERATION OF TREE FARMERS HAVE NOW STARTED SEEING ANASTASIA. SO THAT WOULD BE FOUR.

AND SOON WILL BE AT JOHN CARROLL.

FOR OVER 15 YEARS MY MOM AND GRANDMOTHER MISSED ACROSS THE STREET DARK HAMMOCK WHILE I WAS AT JOHN CARROLL AND STARTED MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER I ALSO LIVED IN DARK HAMMOCK.

SO I DON'T EVER REMEMBER MISSING CLASS, WORK OR ANY APPOINTMENT BECAUSE TRAFFIC CAUSED BY THE CHURCH OR SCHOOLS. SO WE ALSO FOUND THAT ANY MINOR TRAFFIC INCONVENIENCES WERE FAR OUTWEIGHED BY HAVING THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS NEAR TO HELP KEEP OUR PROPERTY VALUES UP.

60 YEARS TO THIS COMMUNITY AND PRODUCE COMMUNITY LEADERS OVER THE YEARS. AND CONTINUES TO DO SO.

OUR SENIORS LEADERS AT STAKE SENATORS.

COMMISSIONERS. AND MEMBERS.

NOW IS A TIME TO INVEST IN JOHN CARROLL.

KOPT TO EFFECTIVELY SERVE STUDENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR

THE NEXT 60 YEARS. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THANK YOU. WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT?

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR. I'M AS WELL A TREEFARMER AND I'M HERE IN TWO CAPACITIES TONIGHT.

IN ST. LUCIE MY HUSBAND JOEY SAID OUR DAUGHTER JUST GRADUATED JOHN CARROLL. OUR NEPHEW IS CURRENTLY A STUDENT THERE. SO OUR ROOTS ARE IN DEEP.

AND ALSO A PROUD MEMBER OF-- AND I VOLUNTEER BOTH IN JOHN CARROLL. THE PROJECT, THE MODERNIZATION OF THESE FACILITIES WILL SECURE THE FUTURE GENERATIONS.

NOT ONLY OF OUR FAMILY BUT SO MANY HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

HI A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE AS A STUDENT.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MANY MORE HAVING THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THIS NEW BUILD PROGRESS JEKT THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED. MY SECOND CAPACITY THAT I'M HERE. I'M ALSO THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS IN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE DIOCESE OF PALM BEACH.

AS A DIRECTOR I'VE WORKED THERE NOW FOR 23 YEARS.

15 OF WHICH AT-- CARROLL. SO I CAN SPEAK FIRSTHAND ON A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL THAT OUR SCHOOLS ARE VERY EXTRA TEEJ INCOME WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE USING BEST PRACTICES. AS MENTIONED EARLIER IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE DIOCESE. I KNOW HOW MUCH THE DIOCESE IS IN SUPPORT OF REVITALIZING AND SECURING THE BEST THAT WE CAN FOR OUR STUDENTS AND OUR UPCOMING FUTURE.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I HOPE YOU CONSIDER SUPPORTERING THIS

PROJECT. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT? >> GOOD MORNING MADAM.

OR GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M SORRY.

MY NAME IS NATALIE. WESTONHEAVER AND I HAVE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE AS WELL. I LIVED ACROSS THE STREET FROM JOHN CARROLL IN DARK HAMMOCK. I WALK TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY.

MAYBE NOT AS A KINDERGARTENER BUT MIDDLE SCHOOL ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL. MY DAUGHTERS WENT THERE.

THEY ARE BOTH HERE WITH ME AS WELL TONIGHT.

ONE WORKS FOR JOHN CARROLL. SO I SUPPORT THE NOT EXPANSION.

BUT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OF THE SCHOOL.

I HOPE THAT THIS NEW SCHOOL-- I GET TO SEE MY GRANDCHILDREN GO THERE AS WELL. SO I AM IN FAVOUR OF THIS.

AND I SUPPORT IT. THIS IS WHERE I GREW UP.

THIS IS WHERE I WENT TO SCHOOL. AND THIS IS WHERE MY CHILDREN WENT AND HOPEFULLY MY GRANDCHILDREN AS WELL.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> NEXT? >> I HAVE ALSO BEEN SWORN IN.

HELLO, GOOD EVENING MADAM MAYOR.

COMMISSIONERS, MS. COX. MS. HEDGES.

MY NAME IS LICENSE SIKORSKY MCCLURE.

AND I HAVE LIVED IN JOHN-- IN FORT PIERCE ALL MY LIFE.

I WAS BORN IN THE FORT PIERCE HOSPITAL.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN SAY THAT.

BUT I KNOW I WAS BORN THERE. I AM A PROUD GRADUATE OF JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL. CLASS OF '78.

AND WHEN I GRADUATED WE HAD AT LEAST 500 STUDENTS IN THE ENTIRE SCHOOL. I GRADUATED WITH A CLASS OF 125. I'M HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT THE NEWLY-PROPOSED JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATIONAL FACILITY. WE SEEM TO BE AT A DEFINING MOMENT IN OUR NATION. THERE IS A LOT OF DEFINING MOMENTS FOR SOMETHING NOW IN OUR OWN BACKYARD.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING IS JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL.

OUR SCHOOL HAS A LONG ESTABLISHED HISTORY IN OUR FORT PIERCE COMMUNITY. ITS MISSION HAS ALWAYS BEEN CLEAR. FOR YOUNG WOMEN AND MEN OF FAITH, CHARACTER AND PURPOSE. THE TRUTH IS OUR CURRENT FACILITY IS NO LONGER ENOUGH TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF THE MODERN CATHOLIC EDUCATION THAT OUR STAFF AND FACULTY SEEK FOR OUR YOUNG BREED. THE TRUTH IS AS WELL THAT OUR STUDENTS DESERVE BETTER. AND WE HAVE AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE IT TO THEM. LET'S BUILD SOMETHING WORTHY OF THE MISSION. THANK YOU ALL.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. YES, MA'AM.

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>> ARE YOU SWORN IN? >> YES.

THANK YOU. DON'T WANT TO DROP THIS.

TRYING NOT TO. I THINK THAT THE NEIGHBOURS AND DARK HAMMOCK ESTATES HAVE MAYBE A TRUST ISSUE.

WITH WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED. THERE'S BEEN ACCUSED OF PERHAPS OPPOSING THE PROJECT. NOT NECESSARILY TRUE.

MOST AND MOFT RESIDENTS IN DARK HAMMOCK CHILDREN HAVE BEEN THERE. ARE GOING THERE.

OR THEY GO TO THAT PARISH. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT YOU CAN SEE AS WELL AS I CAN SEE THERE ARE THREE PARCELS. TWO ADDRESSES AND 17 ACRES AND THIS SITE PLAN COVERS ALMOST ALL OF THAT.

WHEN THEY MEASURED FOR NOTICE. THEY MEASURED FROM THE BACK.

SO DID THE PEOPLE AND DARK HAMMOCK STATES THE RESIDENTS RIGHT THERE WE SHARE AN ENTRANCE ACROSS FROM JOHN CARROLL. ONE PERSON, I FOUND IN DARK HAMMOCK ESTATES THAT GOT A MAILED NOTICE.

I FOUND OUT ON THURSDAY AT LUNCHTIME ABOUT THE MEETING THURSDAY NIGHT. WE TRIED TO ROUND UP PEOPLE TO ATTEND. SHARE THE NOTICE.

BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY A TRUST IS ISSUE. I MEAN YOU'VE GOT THE DRAINAGE ADDRESSED. DISCUSSIONS ON TAKING THE TRAFFIC OFF OF DELAWARE. BUT THE QUESTION ON CAPACITY IS NOT THEY ARE ASKING US TO TRUST THE DIOCESE WHEN THEY SAY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO EXFANNED USAGE.

AS YOU HEARD WITH REGARDS TO THE ENTRANCE ON THE ORANGE.

THERE'S THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.

BUT-- CONCERN LONG-TERM IS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE-- UNDERSTAND THAT THE SCHOOL NEED TO BE UPGRADED.

WE WANT IT THERE. THERE'S NO OPPOSITION TO IMPROVING THIS PROPERTY. BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TRUST THE PROCESS. AND A NEIGHBOURHOOD THAT'S RIGHT THERE. WE DID NOT GET NOTICE.

AND THAT'S WHERE THAT COURSE IS NOT RIGHT.

THAT WE OBJECT TO. AND THAT IS A TRUST ISSUE.

SECOND WE FOUND THAT THE DIOCESE PURCHASED TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOLMES ONE ALMOST NEW WITH THE INTENT OF EXPANDING THE SPORTS AREA OF ATHLETICS. THAT WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE TO A NEIGHBOURHOOD THAT IS VERY NICE BEAUTIFUL HOMES.

A LOT OF FAM AT LEAST WANT THEIR CHILDREN TO GO TO JOHN CARROLL. WHY IN A CITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF NICE SINGLE FAMILY HOLMES AND IS STRUGGLING WITH CONSTRUCTION. TO HAVE THAT EVENTUALLY BE TORN DOWN TO EXPAND ATH ELECT FIELDS.

AND AGAIN EXPAND TRAFFIC. WE'RE BEING ASKED TO TRUST THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT NOT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. >> EXCUSE ME.

COUNTY COMMISSIONER THANK YOU. >> I'VE BEEN SWORN IN.

NOT HERE AS COMMISSIONER BUT PROUD ALUMNI OF COLUMBUS-- HIGH SCHOOL. JAMES-- I'M A GREAT SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN COME TO JOHN CARROLL EVER.

THIS IS A MUCH NEEDED IMPROVEMENT.

IN ADDITION TO THE WONDERFUL HISTORIC STUDENTS THAT ARE THERE. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE FOR YOU GUYS.

WE DO HAVE THAT MEETING UPCOMING.

WHICH HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME GREAT THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.

BUT DELAWARE AVENUE PAID MANAGEMENT FOR FY27 AND I'LL BE PUSHING FOR THAT TO GET APPROVED IN THE BUDGET.

THANKS GUYS. ANYONE ELSE? CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH US? I THINK FOR THIS-- DO WE HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR THIS? FIVE. ANYWAY.

YOU'LL JUST ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS YOU HEARD.

>> OKAY. SHOT CLOCK READY?

>> TRAFFIC. WE'VE SKUTSDZ R DISCUSSED TRAFFIC ACCIDENT. WE HAVE A CAP ON THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT CAN OCCUPY THE CAMPUS.

ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED WITHIN OURER SITE PLAN APPLICATION PULL THE TRAFFIC OFF OF DELAWARE.

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IS TO RELIEVE DELAWARE. IT'S TO BRING THAT CIRCULATION PATTERN OFF OF DELAWARE. AND MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE.

AS FAR AS THE REAR GATE. THAT WAS REFERENCED.

MR. -- I BELIEVE. THAT'S PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

IT'S BEEN USED FOR THE PAST 60 YEARS.

ATE WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. BUT YES WE UNDERSTAND THAT FROM Select to skip to this part of the video">ATE WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. BUT YES WE UNDERSTAND THAT FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT. IT'S MORE OF A CAMPUS ISSUE AND I SPOKE WITH PRESIDENT OF JOHN CARROLL.

THE RESOURCE OFFICER HE'LL BE MONERROR TOING AND MANAGING T THAT.

TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T HAVE RECKLESS DRIVING.

THAT SECONDARY POINT OF ACCESS IS PRETTY IMPORTANT FOR FIRE.

WE DO NEED TO HAVE SECONDARY ACCESS.

IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR 60 YEARS.

WE HERE CONCERNED LOUD AND CLEAR.

TO MAKE SURE CONVEYS THAT TO THE RESOURCE OFFICER TAKE SOME TRAFFIC CALMING DISCUSSIONS TO SOME OF THE STUDENTS.

OKAY. AS FAR AS WITH REGARD TO KAREN EMERSON'S COMMENTS. EXPRESSING FEAR AND TRUST.

I UNDERSTAND THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND FEAR.

AND I CAN UNDERSTAND TRUST ISSUES.

JOHN CARROLL'S LONGTIME STANDING GOOD NEIGHBOUR.

OUR TEN IS TRUE. SO I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICATION FOR YOU. KEV IF YOU COULD PULL THE SITE PLAN UP. IS ONLY ON THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. SO WHERE YOU SEE THE BOUNDARY IF YOU'LL JUST BACK OUT A LITTLE BIT.

PLEASE. THIS BOUNDARY IS THE ONLY PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT YOU ARE MAKING A DECISION ON THIS EVENING. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE REST OF THE ENTIRE 18-ACRE CAMPUS. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE BEING ACQ ACQUIRED. THE APPLICATION THAT YOU ARE ACTING ON TONIGHT IS ONLY FOR THIS PROJECT PRESENTED BEFORE YOU. MAYBE DOES DECIDE ADDITIONAL SERVICES. WE WOULD HAVE TO BE BUFFER AGAIN HAVING THE SAME DISCUSSION.

SO THERE'S NO TRICKERY GOING ON HERE.

WHAT YOU'RE ACTING ON IS WHAT'S PRESENTED BEFORE YOU.

AS FAR AS THE NOTICES, THEY ARE PREPARED BY YOUR CITY STAFF.

THEY ARE SENT OUT BY YOUR STAFF AND THAT SAME LIST IS WHAT WE UTILIZED TO NOTICE THE NEIGHBOURHOOD AND INVITE THEM TO OUR NEIGHBOURHOOD MEETING AND INVITE THEM TO CAMPUS TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

SO AS FAR AS I KNOW THAT'S WITHIN THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE DONE BY YOUR STAFF AND IT FOLLOWED THE REQUIREMENTS IN A 500 FOOT RADIUS.

BUT I'LL LET YOUR CLERK SPEAK TO THAT.

AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND LOOK FORWARD TO STARTING

CONSTRUCTION SOON. >> THANK YOU AND I'M INVITING

YOU TO THE RIBBON CUTTING. >> YEP.

DO THAT. FOR SURE.

ALL RIGHTY. WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. THIS-- COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I'M JUST GOING TO FOLLOW UP MY EARLIER COMMENT THAT I BELIEVE FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN THIS RENOVATION EXPANSION PROJECT IS A GREAT THING FOR JOHN CARROLL.

AND GREAT THING FOR THE CITY OF FORTER PIERCE.

AND ITS RESIDENTS. SO I FULLY SUPPORT AND ENDORSER THIS PROJECT. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

>> I'M IN FAVOUR BUT AI FEW CON CONCERNS. DON'T MIND MEETING--.

WITH THE DEVELOPERS. THE COMMUNITY I MENTIONED.

THAT COMMUNITY. ONE THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. AND I'M PUZZLED WHY IF THEY WERE NOT INFORMED. IF THEY ARE NOT 500 FEET, I DON'T KNOW WHO IS. I'M PUZZLED WHY.

SO I WILL ASK YOU GUYS. DOING ALL THIS PROCESS TO TRY

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TO HAVE A MEETING WITH SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE.

WHO DIDN'T COME AND GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO GET YOU MORE CONCERN SO WE CAN ADDRESS THEM. SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO THAT IF THEY DIDN'T GET A NOTICE. SO LAST QUESTION IS THIS BACK ROAD 36 IS 37? SOUTH 36.

ALL RIGHT MY QUESTION IS THIS. I KNOWZL GOING TO BE ON DELAWARE. WE CAN BE STAY ALL COUNTY ALL.

SO THIS BACKROAD CONCERN OF 36 IS LEADING TO ORANGE OR WHATEVER. THAT WOULD BE SI? OR THEY'D BE COUNTY? WITH THIS-- I CAN'T REMEMBER.

THAT'S WHAT I'M QUESTIONING. SO MY QUESTION IS-- WHATEVER THAT ROAD IS, LET'S LOOK AT IT. BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED IF IT'S JUST A-- ROAD. JUST YOU KNOW WE JUST NEED LOOK AT IT. SO I KNOW COMMISSIONER-- SAID HE WASN'T HERE. ON COUNTY.

HIS COUNTY SEAT. SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOUR HELP ON THAT TO ALSO LOOK AT THAT ROAD TO SEE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. I'VE HAD A FEW CONVERSATIONS WITH RESOURCE OFFICERS. SO WE WERE PROBABLY THERE TOGETHER. SO WHEN I HEAR STUFF LIKE THIS I ALWAYS GO TO CONCERNS OF KIDS.

WE CAN THINK WHAT WE WANT TO THINK BE & AS A PARENT YOU CAN TELL YOUR KIDS WHEN YOU GIVE THEM A CAR, WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO AND AS SOON AS THEY GET IN A CAR.

THEY ARE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT WHAT WE TOLD THEM TO DO.

SO IT'S UP TO US TO LOOK AT THAT.

SO-- LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

AND I WANT TO SAY ADD IT TO OUR LIST.

BECAUSE I THINK OUR LIST IS ALREADY 400 PAGES WITH THE COUNTY NOW. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU AND I COULD TALK ABOUT JUST TO SEE.

BUT WITH THAT-- I'M IN AGREEANCE.

IT'S LONG OVERDUE. JOHN CAROL IS A STAPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND HAS BEEN SO I'M IN FAVOUR

OF THIS PROJECT. >> COMMISSIONER TOOIDZ? ANYTHING? OKAY I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS TOO. I WILL HAVE DO SAY THAT TRAFFIC IS INCREASING ALL OVER FORT PIERCE.

AND IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR US BECAUSE OUR POPULATION IS INCREASING. AND WE'RE-- THE FACT THAT THE SCHOOL IS NOT EXPANDING. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY MORE, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MADAM MAYOR I MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION IS SECONDED.

>> THAT CONTAINS THE SIX CONDITIONS?

>> WITH THE SIX CONDITIONS. >> THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO TAKE A POINT OF-- PERSONAL PRIVILEGE TO ACKNOWLEDGE FATHER GEORGE IS HERE WITH US TONIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING

WITH US. >> MADAM MAYOR WHILE THEY ARE LEAVING. I APPRECIATE THE RESIDENTS THAT CAME OUT AND BROUGHT THEIR CONCERNS.

YOU KNOW, THAT PROJECT CERTAINLY IS NOT-- IT'S GOING TO BE MOVING ANYWAY. PUTTING UP A BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY DRIVING TRAFFIC IN THERE ANYWAY.

BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER GAINES RAISED THE PLAN.

WE'RE LOOKING ON 36 STREET TO UNDERSTAND THAT STREET A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND-- I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH COMMISSIONER-- AS WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ON DELAWARE.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF YOU COULD HAVE YOUR CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE IN THE

FOYER, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. >> OKAY-- I'LL GO AHEAD.

[B. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Ordinance 26-010 - An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida; Amending the Pulte Cornerstone Planned Development Zone in respect of two (2) parcels containing approximately 49.92 acres, more or less, and being located at or near 2721 South Jenkins Road in Fort Pierce, Florida; To approve the Pulte Cornerstone Final Site Plan; Approving the first amendment to the Planned Development Zoning Agreement; Providing for a severability clause; providing for repeal of ordinances or parts thereof in conflict; providing for an effective date. Subject Property: Parcel (IDs): 2324-413-0000-000-9 and 2324-431-0001-000-2. FIRST READING]

ORDINANCE 26-010 ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSIONER OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CORNISH PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONE IN RESPECT OF TWO PARCELS CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 47.92 ACRES MORE OR LESS.

AND BEING LOCATED AT OR NEAR 2721 SOUTH JENKINS ROAD IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA TO APPROVE THE-- CORNISH FINAL SITE PLAN.

A PREVIEW OF FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROVIDING FOR SERVERABILITY CLAUSE

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PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORRED NANTSS OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING.

>> ALL RIGHTY, WE'VE HEARD THE PROCEDURES FOR THE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING. JUST GOING TO WAIT AND LET THIS--. MADAM CLERK HAS THE NOTICE AND

REQUIREMENTS BEEN MET? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> AND I WOULD ASK COMMISSIONERS ABOUT EXPAR TATE

COMMUNICATIONS. >> YES COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>> I'VE MET WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM COUPLE OF

TIMES. >> COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY?

>> YES I'VE MET WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

DEVELOPMENT TEAM. >> AND MAYOR HUDSON?

>> SO I MET WITH PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

ON THE ART PIECE. AND I WATCHED THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING. NOW WOULD YOU ASK COMMISSIONERS-- WOULD YOU SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES SFLEEZ.

>> YES ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THISSITE SNM PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GOOD EVENING MADAM MAYOR.

COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS-- GILMORE.

PRESERVATION OFFICER SENIOR PLANNER FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. BEFORE YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE POELTY CORNER STONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONE.

FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 2721 SOUTH JENKINS ROAD PARCEL ID2324-413-0000-000-9 AND 2324-431-0001-000-2. THE APPLICANT LESLIE-- OF DISTRICT PLANNING GROUP OWNER CASSIE MCCRANE OF CORNER STONE FORT PIERCE DEVELOPMENT LLC. THE APPLICATION PROPOSES 239 UNIT FEE SIMPLE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PLANT DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WITH A RANGE OF HOME SIZES, RANGE OF DESIGNS AND AMENITIES SUCH AS LINEAR PARK CONNECTING THE RECK YEEUATIONAL AREA TO POCKET PARK PROVIDING ADDITIONAL BUFFERS FOR THE NEW NEIGHBOURHOOD FROM I95. LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT THE PROJECT ON NOVEMBER 10G9 2025, THE PLANNING BOARD UNANIMOUSLY ASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR POLTY. Select to skip to this part of the video">ASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR POLTY.

CORNERSTONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONE WITH 14 CONDITIONS ON FEBRUARY 2ND SPZ 2026 THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE POLTY CORNERSTONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONE WITH 14 CONDITIONS AS WELL.

ON APRIL 13TH 2026 THE PLANNING BOARD RESHG MENDED APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED FINAL PLANT DEVELOPMENT.

WITH EIGHT CONDITIONS. PLANNING STAFF AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE REQUESTED A BETTER IDENTITY FEATURE SLASH ART FEATURE OR MONUMENT SIGN DESIGN.

THE PUBLIC BENEFIT STATEMENTS SAYS THE FOLLOWING, THAT THE ART INSTALLATION WOULD BE VISIBLE TO THE TRAVELLING PUBLIC ON I95 AND IS INTENDED TO CREATE A SCOMBUFL UNIQUE SENSE OF REVIVAL IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION REQUIRES THAT THE FINAL IDENTITY FEATURE DESIGN IS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE CITY COMMISSION PRYER TO FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR PHASE ONE OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 49.92 ON PLUS OR MINUS ACRES. IT IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF-- ROAD AND SOUTH JENKINS ROAD.

FUTURE LAND USE IS RN RESIDENTIAL.

WITH THE ZONING OF PD WHICH IS THE POLTY CORNER STONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. BUFFER IS THE FINAL SITE PLAN DEVELOPED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS IS AN ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN. THAT GIVES YOU A BETTER VISUAL THAT ALLOWS WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND THE TWO PROPOSED LAKES. THE SITE PLAN WILL CONSIST OF TWO LOT TYPES. TYPE A, B.

A WILL HAVE A MINIMUM WITH 48 FEET.

LOT TYPE B MINIMUM WITH 38 FEET.

AND ALL LOTS WOULD HAVE A DEPTH OF 110 FEET.

THE TOTAL OPEN SPACE IS MINIMUM OF 20%.

MINIMUM REQUIRES 20%. APPLICANT'S PROVIDING 28% TO BE EXACT. THE TOTAL 63% AND THE TOTAL PURVIEWS IS 37%. THIS IS THE FINAL PHASING PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED DURING THE MINOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT PHASE.

AT THE PLANNING BOARD AT THE NOVEMBER 10 2025 PLANNING BOARD MEETING. WITH THE INCLUDED OF FINAL SCHOOL BUS STOP LOCATION. BENEFITS INCLUDE LINEAR PARK.

LEVERAGES CREATIVE USE OF THE STORM WATER FACILITIES BY

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TRANSFORMING THEM INTO BIO SPHERES AND RAIN GARDENS.

THROUGH WHICH MEANDERING ONE-THIRD MILE LONG WALKING PATH WINDS WITH RESTING STOPS OVERLOOKING THE NATURALIZED T THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY AND DETERM NANTS OF LINEAR PARK LIES A POCKET PARK WHERE THIS SITE IS DESIGNED W GRID NETWORK OF STREETS WHICH HAVE BEEN DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE LOTS DIRECTLY AGAINST THE I95. THE GREATEST PEAK HOUR DIRECTION ANTICIPATED WITH THE PROJECT IS 147 P.M. ENTRIES, TRIPS, BASED ON THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ORDINANCE SECTION 105-5F2B.

THE ANALYSIS CONSIDERS THE PROJECT TO BE MINIMUM SCALE IMPACT. TYPICAL ROADWAY TRACT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ROADWAY, THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND THE SECONDARY ENTRANCES OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL ACCESS WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. HERE IS A SECTION DISTANCE RENDERING WHICH SHOWS YOU A TYPICAL LOT B TYPE ON WHICH HAS A 38-FOOT WIDTH AND IT INCLUDES THE 95-FOOT WIDE LINEAR PARK AND LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND GIVES YOU IN RELATION TO HOW FAR WIDE OF A BUFFER IT IS FROM THE I95 NORTHBOUND OFF-RAMP.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH TREE ALIGNED STREETS AND THE DENSE LANDSCAPE, LUSH LANDSCAPING ALONG THE LINEAR PARK. TOTAL ON PROPOSED TREES ARE AT 310. THE TOTAL ON INCHES PROVIDED IS 1,088.5 INCHES OF TREE MITIGATION.

PROPOSED TREE SCHEDULE INCLUDES SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF TREES SUCH AS SILVER, BUSINESS MARK PALM, SHADY LAKE, BRAZILIAN BEAUTY LEAF, PIJON, GREEN, BUTTON "K"S WOOD, SILVER, CREPE/FINE AND CABBAGE PALM. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TWO COLOR SCHEMES, A FLORIDA MEDITERRANEAN EXTERIOR COLOR SCHEME AND A FLORIDA COASTAL COLOR SCHEME.

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS. THIS IS THE FIRST FOR THE FLORIDA MEDITERRANEAN EXTERIOR COLOR SCHEME.

THIS IS THE SECOND COLOR BOARD FOR THE FLORIDA MEDITERRANEAN COLOR SCHEME. ANOTHER OPTION.

THIS IS THE FIRST OPTION FOR THE COASTAL EXTERIOR COLOR SCHEME.

AND THIS IS THE SECOND OPTION FOR THE COASTAL EXTERIOR COLOR SCHEME. THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT REFLECTS CURRENT FLORIDA VERNACULAR HOMES IN A VARIETY -- WIDE VARIETY OF SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO-STOREY OPTIONS THAT WILL CREATE A VARIED TREE SCAPE.

THIS IS THE AMENITY CENTER RENDERING AND FLOOR PLAN.

THE FLOOR PLAN INCLUDES THE WOMEN'S AND MEN'S REST ROOMS AND A SMALL HURRICANE-READY ROOM WITH A COVERED AREA.

AND ALSO A GENERATOR WILL BE SUPPLIED.

DESIGN REVIEW. THIS IS THE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED IDENTITY FEATURE AND IT ALSO INCLUDES A STREET VIEW.

AS I STATED PLANNING STAFF AND THE PLANNING BOARD DID NOT SUPPORT WHAT WAS SUBMITTED. AND HAS REQUESTED APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND CITY COMMISSION.

HERE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE PLANNING STAFF WAS SOMEWHAT LOOKING FOR AS AN IDENTITY FEATURE. THIS IS SLIDE ONE.

SLIDE TWO. SLIDE THREE.

SLIDE FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT. NINE.

THIS IS ONE OF THE MODELS. THE FIRST WE'LL START WITH IS THE SINGLE FAMILY STOREY MODEL. IT'S THE CANDLEWOOD SINGLE STOREY FAMILY MODEL: THIS IS THE MARLIN TWO-STOREY HOME MODEL AND

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THE MILLRUN TWO-STOREY MODEL AND PINECREST TWO-STOREY HOME MODELS AND THE TALON TWO-STOREY HOME MODELS.

FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT THE SUBJECT SITE IS COMPRISED PREDOMINANTLY OF DISTURBED LANDS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR AGRICULTURE USE AND ARE NOW DOMINATED BY NON-NATIVE INVASIVE BRAISIAN PEPPER INCLUDING LOWER OAKS, CABBAGE PALMS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS CONDUCTED IN JUNE AND JULY OF 2024 CONFIRM THAT THE PROPERTY DOES NOT CONTAIN ANY NATIVE UPLAND HABITAT.

THERE IS ALSO AN AREA IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE THAT CONTAINS WETLAND CHARACTERISTICS AND MAY APPLY REVIEW BY THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BE CONSIDERED JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND. FIELD OBSERVATIONS CONDUCTED IN JUNE AND JULY 2024 INCLUDE A VARIETY OF COMMON AVIAN SPECIES PRESENT WITHIN THE REPORT, INCLUDING THE MORNING DOVE, AMERICAN CROW, BOAT TILL, NORTHERN MOCKING BIRD AND CATTLE EGRET, REPTILE SPECIES OBSERVED IN THE CUBAN ANNUL AND THE BLACK RAZOR SNAKE, INDICATORS OF THE RECURRENCE OF MAMMALS INCLUDE SCAT TRACKS, OTHER PHYSICAL INDICATORS INCLUDED RACCOON, ARM CARDILLO, COYOTE, FERAL HOG AND RODENTS, ALL AVIAN SPECIES PRESENTED ARE PROTECTED HABITATS ON SITE.

STORMDRAINAGE TO CALCULATIONS INDICATE THAT THE PROJECT CAN FULLY ACCOMMODATE THE WATER QUALITY TREATMENT IN FIVE-YEAR ONE-DAY STORM EVENT ON SITE. THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, DRIVEWAYS, RAILWAYS, SIDEWALKS, RECREATION AMENITIES.

THE PROPOSED STORM MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WILL CONSIST OF CATCH BASINS THAT WILL DIRECT STORMWATER RUNOFF.

ON THE PROPOSED DETENTION SYSTEMS WILL PROVIDE WATER QUALITY TREATMENT AND STORMWATER ATTENUATION PRIOR TO DISCHARGING INTO THE NORTH RIVER, WATER CONTROLLED DISTRICT CAN NOW NUMBER 39. THROUGH OUR CONTROLLED STRUCTURE REGULATING THE VOLUME OF DISCHARGE.

THE PROPOSED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IN THE NORTH ST. LUCIE RIVER WATER CONTROL DISTRICT AND IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

A FULL STORMWATER ANALYSIS HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

ALL AFFECTED DEPARTMENTS HAVE REVIEWED THE PROPOSD FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT WITH REGARDS TO CONSISTENCY ESTABLISHED, ORDINANCE AND IS REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE PLANNING BOARD UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE PULTE CORNERSTONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONE WITH EIGHT CONDITIONS AT THEIR APRIL 13TH, 2026, MEETING.

THE FINAL PD SHALL CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES UNLESS ALTERNATE STANDARDS ARE I AN APPROVED. A PHOTOGRAPHER TORTOISE -- A GOPHER TORTOISE SURVEY WILL BE UNDERTAKEN AND A DETAILED STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE PLAN SHALL BE PROVIDED.

NUMBER FOUR, THE FINAL SITE PLAN SHALL BE IN UNIFIED CONTROL IN PROPERTY OWNERSHIP ALL LAND INTENDED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE UNDER THE LEGAL CONTROL OF THE APPLICANT. NUMBER FIVE, THE PROPERTY MAY NOT BE SUBDIVIDED INTO SINGLE FAMILY LOTS UNLESS THE APPLICANT OBTAINS A SUBDIVISION PLAT APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL CITY REQUIREMENTS. THE DEVELOPER SHALL OBTAIN A SOUND STUDY TO DETERMINE IF THE NOISE WITHIN THE PROPERTY FROM I95 EXCEEDS THE NOISE ABATEMENT CRITERIA FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. AND DELIVER A COPY TO THE CITY.

IF THE FOREGOING NOISE ABATEMENT CRITERIA IS EXCEEDED AT THE LOCATION OF ANY PROPOSED HOMES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPER SHALL COMMIT TO IMPLEMENT NOISE REDUCTION MEASUREMENTS FOR SUCH HOMES, CALCULATED TO MEET THE HOOD INTERIOR NOISE GOALS SET FORTH IN 24CFCR.

SUCH NOISE REDUCTION MEASURES MAY INCLUDE THE MEASURES SET FORTH IN THE FDOT MANUAL FIGURE 18-3.

BUILDING NOISE REDUCTION FACTORS AND THE CITY WILL ACCEPT F DOT' CALCULATION. ATTACHED IS THE FDOT MANUAL, CHAPTER 18, HIGHWAY TRAFFIC NOISE.

AS YOU CAN SEE. AND CONTINUE FOR NUMBER 6 FROM

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FIGURE 18-3, BUILDING NOISE REDUCTION FACTORS.

AND FROM HOOD, THE NOISE ABATEMENT AND CONTROL AND NUMBER 7, THE PROJECT SITE IS PARTY TO AN ACCESS EASEMENT RECORDED IN FAVOR OF THE OWNER OF THE 1.58 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED AT 2627 SOUTH JENKINS ROAD. AT THE TIME OF THE FINAL PLAT APPLICATION SUBMIT FOR ANY PHASE CONTEMPLATED UNDER THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE STAFF WITH A COPY OF A RECORDED EASEMENT NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER FOR THEIR MUTUAL BENEFIT PRESERVING THE ADJACENT OWNER'S RIGHT OF ACCESS TO THE PROJECT SITE. NUMBER 8.

IS THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND PLANNING STAFF. THE APPLICANT SHALL RECEIVE FINAL IDENTITY FEATURE/MONUMENT DESIGN APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND CITY COMMISSION PRIOR TO FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OF PHASE ONE. ALTERNATIVE ACTIONS OF THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WITH ASSOCIATED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH CHANGES AND/OR ALTERNATIVE CONDITIONS OR DENIED A PROPOSED AMENDMENT WITH THE ASSOCIATED FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU.

>> MR. GILMOUR, THE SAMPLES OF WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR IN ART, WITH AS THAT PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT?

>> YES. >> WHEN?

>> THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM RIGHT AFTER THE PLANNING BOARD

MEETING. >> LAST PLANNING BOARD MEETING? SO THEY DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL THIS PLANNING STAFF BROUGHT IT UP THAT THE ART THAT THEY HAD PROPOSED WAS NOT ACCORDING TO

YOUR SAMPLES; IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> I HAVE ONE. GOING BACK TO THIS WHAT THE MAYOR JUST TALKED ABOUT. DID WE ASK THEM TO PUT A MONUMENT OUT THERE OR DID THEY SAY THEY WANT TO PUT SOME TYPE

OF ENTRANCE OR DESIGN OUT THERE? >> IT WAS THE APPLICANT.

IT WAS THE APPLICANT AND THEY NEVER SUBMITTED -- WE WERE ASKING FOR THE REPRESENTED ERRING.

WE NEVER GOT IT. THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT IT UNTIL

RIGHT BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD. >> WHOSE IDEA -- I SAW YOUR EXAMPLE TO PUT THAT SOMETHING THAT HUGE OUT THERE ON THAT CORNER. WHERE ARE WE GETTING THAT FROM?

>> FROM THE -- >> IN FREEMAN.

>> PLANNING DIRECTOR. WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THIS COMMISSION ABOUT WHAT THE APPEARANCE AND WHAT PEOPLE EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY COME INTO FORT PIERCE AND PART OF THAT HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION ON GAT GATEWAY.

WHAT DO THE GATEWAYS LOOK LIKE? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE THAT IDENTIFIES THAT PEOPLE ARE ENTERING INTO THE FORT PIERCE CITY BOUNDARIES? AND JUST TO IDENTIFY THE CITY AS SOMETHING AS WE SEE ALL UP AND DOWN U.S. 1, I95 ESPECIALLY, WHERE CITIES HAVE IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES WITH SIGNAGE OR GATEWAY IMPROVEMENTS. WHEN WE FIRST MET WITH THIS APPLICANT, WHENEVER THAT WAS, MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO, WE MENTIONED OUR EFFORTS TO INCORPORATE POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO A GATEWAY SIGNAGE LEADING FROM U.S. 1 IN PARTICULAR ONTO THIS ROADWAY AND WHAT IT WOULD LEAD INTO.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSED THAT THEY WOULD ADD A GATEWAY OPTION, A SIGN OR SOMETHING, MONUMENT, AS PART OF THEIR PUBLIC BENEFITS.

AND WE'RE SEEK WITH OTHER APPLICATIONS IF THEY ARE IN APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS, AN OPTION THAT THEY WOULD GIVE A PUBLIC BENEFIT OF A PIECE OF ART OR SOMETHING THAT LEADS INTO THE CITY TO ENABLE THAT IDENTIFICATION.

WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE IS A PROJECT IDENTIFICATION.

THIS IS REALLY A CITY IDENTIFICATION.

SO A SIGN OR A MONUMENT WITH THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT NAME IS NOT

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WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. PUBLIC BENEFIT IS SOMETHING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE TO IDENTIFY AND LOCATE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY AS PEOPLE COME IN.

THE OPTIONS THAT YOU SAW I THINK ARE EXTREME.

NOT EXPECTING A FIVE-STOREY BUILDING IN FRONT THERE.

THE SORT OF THING WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR AND TO GET THAT CONFIRMED BY CITY COMMISSION IN APPROVAL HERE OF SOME SORT OR LATER, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN TASKED AS A TEAM IN FORT PIERCE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE GATEWAYS, ABOUT THE ROADWAYS, ABOUT ADDING VALUE TO THE CITY AND NOT ACCEPTING THE NORMAL CHAIN LINK

FENCE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT, DIRECTOR FREEMAN. I'M JUST -- I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE ONES THAT THESE THINGS YOU PUT OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY COME OFF 9 A. I'M NOT IN FAVOR AND I'M A FOLLOWER OF WHAT THE MAYOR SAID. IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT, HOW CAN A DEVELOPER UNDERSTAND WHAT IS SUBMITTED IF WE DON'T KNOW. I UNDERSTAND.

I UNDERSTAND WE TALKED ABOUT GATEWAYS BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN ANYTHING COME IN FRONT OF US SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON, WHAT THIS IS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.

AND I THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT THE FIVE OF US NEED TO COME TOGETHER BECAUSE MY CONCERN WITH ANY ONE OF THOSE PICTURES OUT THERE, YOU PUT SOMETHING THAT BIG COMING OFF 95, WHAT DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO? THEY'RE ALREADY COMING OFF 95 100 MILES AN HOUR. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS BIG THING. TRAFFIC STOPS.

COME BACK IN. WHO MADE THEM PUT IT THERE? CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I'M TRYING TO THINK, LET'S BE VERY CAREFUL HERE. WE NEED EXAMPLES AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TO GIVE US SO WE CAN GIVE FUTURE DEVELOP TORIES COME IN AND SAY, THIS IS THE AREA OR THE PRAYGROUND THAT -- OR THE PLAYING FIELD WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

MAYBE THAT'S JUST ME BUT THAT'S HOW I'M FEELING RIGHT NOW.

>> I MET WITH THE DEVELOPER AND I'M A BIG FAN OF PUBLIC ART AND BRANDING AS YOU COME INTO FORT PIERCE.

WHERE WE ARE MAYBE RIGHT NOW IS WE QUITE HAVEN'T SETTLED -- I THINK THEY SUBMITTED THIS HAVING THAT AND I THINK AT THIS POINT MAYBE GETTING FEEDBACK AND I THINK THEY'RE OPEN TO IT.

ISSUE THAT MAYBE DOESN'T QUITE MATCH WELL AND WE DON'T WANT TO START ENDORSING ONE AND THEN HEAR THE DEVELOPER "X" DOWN THE STREET, WHY DIDN'T THEY HAVE THE CITY SEAL NEXT TO MY NAME? I THINK WE'RE FIGURING IT OUT. I'M ALL FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.

AS THEY COME OFF THAT BEND COMING IN THERE, THIS IS THEIR FIRST ENTRYWAY FROM SOME PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY TRAVELLING NORTH, GETTING OFF 9D 5, COMING INTO OUR CITY.

>> THIS IS A TIME TO ASK STAFF A QUESTION.

YOU HAVE STAFF QUESTIONS? >> I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE A LONG TIME BUT IS THIS IN CODE FOR THE DEMAND OF SUCH AN OPTION?

>> THE APPLICANT HAS THAT AS PUBLIC BENEFIT.

>> OKAY. I'M STILL LEARNING TOO.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING QUESTIONS. I'LL SPEND MORE TIME WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE SO I CAN GET BETTER. I DO HAVE A CONCERN THAT THIS -- BASED ON NUMBER 8, THAT IT GETS HELD UP BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. IF THERE'S GOING TO BE HELD UP, IT SHOULD BE HELD UP HERE. TO HAVE TO GO BACK FOR ANOTHER HEARING DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, NUMBER ONE.

AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN GET PAST THAT TONIGHT.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE. THE OTHER IS, COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOUR STATEMENT IS RUNNING TRUE WITH ME, IN THAT WE

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SHOULD BE DECIDING WHAT OUR LOGO IS AND IF WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE OUR LOGO FROM THAT TO SOMETHING MORE MODERN, SOMETHING MORE APPROPRIATE FOR TODAY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY FIFTEEN YEARS OLD, IF I RECALL. AND SO I THINK THAT WE, AS A COMMISSIONER, SHOULD WORKSHOP THIS TO SOME LEVEL, HAVE SOME GRAPHIC ARTIST PROVIDE US OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES.

THE OTHER IS RIVER STATE COLLEGE HAS A LOT OF GRAPHIC ARTISTS AND PEOPLE ARE DOING DIGITAL DESIGNS EVERY DAY.

MAYBE WE COULD MAKE THAT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COLLEGE TO MAKE THAT A PROJECT FOR THE STUDENTS AND BRING IT BACK TO US FOR OPTIONS IN THE FUTURE. THE OTHER PART OF THAT, WHEN I SAW THOSE DESIGNS, I WAS -- ALL I THOUGHT WAS PORT ST. LUCIE AND THE 75-FOOT HIGH HEART. THIS IS A 250-UNIT COMMUNITY SUPPOSED TO ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE LIVING, WORKFORCE HOUSING. THOSE ARE PROBABLY A HUNDRED, $200,000 UNITS THAT I SAW ON THIS PICTURE.

IF YOU WANT TO LOWER THE COST OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT AND YOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO ADD THAT IN AS A PART OF THEIR BUILDING COSTS TO ACTUALLY LOWER THE COSTS FOR PEOPLE TO GET INTO HOMES OR RENTALS, WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING. BIG CONCERN ABOUT THAT.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OF STAFF? WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO DISCUSSION AND THAT MAYBE SHOULD

BE LATER. >> THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.

IS THAT NUMBER ONE, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR PNZ TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD AND HOLD THE DEVELOPER UP FROM MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR PROJECT?

>> THAT OPTION IS ENTIRELY UP TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

THE DESIGN OF THE MONUMENT IS ENTIRELY UP TO CITY COMMISSION.

THE PROCESS THAT'S USED, WHETHER OR NOT IF YOU EVEN RUN A MONUMENT THERE. THE MONUMENT THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED, STAFF HAVE CLASSED THAT AS BEING A SIGN.

THAT WOULD BE AN ASK FROM THE APPLICANT TO THE DEVELOPER TO PUT AN EXTRA SIGN IN THERE. WHEN THE OPTION WAS TO PUT A PIECE OF ART IN THERE. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF WHAT IS A SIGN, WHAT IS A PIECE OF ART. HOW BIG IT IS.

WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING AT ALL CHANGING THE CITY LOGO.

WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT. IT'S WHATEVER THE CITY COMMISSION WANTS TO END UP WITH OR PROPOSE.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING RIGHT NOW.

IS THAT DO WE HAVE PROVISIONS IN THIS, IN CODE, DO WE HAVE GUIDELINES AND DIRECTIONS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH? I APPRECIATE YOU SUGGESTING THAT I WAS GOING ON AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING STATEMENTS AS OPPOSED TO QUESTIONS.

I'LL LEARN ABOUT HOW YOU MANAGE THIS GROUP.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> YOU TOOK SIX OR SEVEN MINUTES THERE. TO MAKE YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, I'LL TAKE TEN. THE MAYOR CAN GAVEL ME.

>> HE HASN'T LEARNED YET. >> GAVEL ME OUT OF ORDER AND GO FROM THERE. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

VENICE, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

OTHER THAN THIS SIGNAGE ISSUE, WHICH I'M GO TO GO GET TO MOMENTARILY, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS APPROACHED THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM WITH THAT THEY

HAVE REFUSED TO UNDERTAKE? >> NO.

>> THEY'VE AGREED WITH EVERY RECOMMENDATION YOU WANTED,

THEY'VE INCORPORATED? >> RIGHT.

>> THAT CERTAINLY IS A -- THAT BODES WELL.

REGARDING THE SIGNAGE ISSUE. I TAKE THE POSITION THAT GATEWAY OR CITY ENTRANCEWAY SIGNAGE IS AN IMPORTANT FEATURE.

THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS SIMPLY -- UNTIL WE START THE PUTTING UP SIGNAGE RECENTLY, UNDESIGNATED.

YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHEN YOU WERE IN THE CITY OR WHEN YOU WERE NOT IN THE CITY. NOW THAT SEEMS TO BE CHANGING RAPIDLY. WHICH WE TOOK THOSE ACTIONS TO DO THAT. I'M VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH THAT THAT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE DEMARCATION OF FORT PIERCE.

AND IDENTIFY IT PROPERLY. BUT I ALSO DO AGREE THAT INCORPORATING DEVELOPER SIGNAGE IN SOME TYPE OF ART FORM OR LOGO ET CETERA, THERE IS A BENEFIT TO THE CITY.

I ALSO THINK IT BENEFITS THE DEVELOPER.

SO I SAW THE LANGUAGE IN THE CONDITIONS.

AND IF I'M PARAPHRASING CORRECTLY, THE LANGUAGE WAS, WELL, THEY'VE GOT TO COME IN WITH A NEW PROPOSAL THAT WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPA THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEN BROUGHT BACK HERE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT GOING

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THROUGH THAT PROCESS BECAUSE THT IS OUR PROCESS.

I'M CERTAINLY EXPECTING THAT A SIGNAGE APPLICATION OR PUBLIC ART, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO REFER TO THIS THING, IS NOT GOING TO SLOW DOWN THE APPROVALS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

IS THAT ACCURATE? >> THAT IS ACCURATE.

>> THEY CAN START THAT BUT THEN BY THE TIME PHASE ONE IS CLOSED OUT, THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT EASEMENT ISSUE DEALT WITH AND IS THERE A TIMELINE ON THE SIGNAGE? YOU WANT THE SIGNAGE ISSUE DEALT WITH PRIOR TO THEM GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT?

HOW ARE YOU LOOKING AT THAT? >> IT'S A CONDITION.

>> PRIOR TO PHASE ONE. >> I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GAINES. SOME OF THOSE SIGNS IN THERE, THAT'S A WHOLE DEVELOPMENT ONTO ITSELF.

YOU COULD HAVE TWENTY PEOPLE LIVING IN ONE OF THOSE SIGNS.

>> THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

>> EXACTLY. THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE I FIND TO BE A VERY PROBLEMATIC DISCUSSION.

NOBODY HAS BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY TO ME WHAT THE PRICE POINT IS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY BROUGHT UP THE FACT MAYBE THIS THIS IS $100,000, $200,000.

I'M THINKING THESE ARE MORE LIKE $350,000 AND FROM DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD, THAT PRICE POINT, $300, $350,000 IS THE NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WORKFORCE HOUSING, WHATEVER TERM YOU WANT TO APPLY TO THAT, BECAUSE THERE WAS ABOUT TEN OF THEM, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY REALISTIC AS FAR AS WHERE THE PRICE POINTS ARE BUT WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT, REMARKABLY, A $300, $350,000 IS ENTRY LEVEL. I'M HAPPY LIVING IN MY $235,000

HOUSE I BOUGHT IN 2003. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE

QUESTIONS? >> I'M GETTING TO THIS.

I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO ASK. I'M ONLY ON MINUTE EIGHT.

THEY SATISFIED ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS.

AND YOU COMMUNICATED THE SIGNAGE ISSUE TO THEM.

AND THEIR RESPONSE IS THAT YES, WE'LL WORK UP SOME OTHER STUFF AND GET IT TO YOU. WAS THAT HOW THIS WAS LEFT? WE'LL DRILL INTO THAT SOME MORE WHEN THEY COME UP.

I'M DONE. >> THANK YOU.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY.

NOW I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND WE'RE GOING TO START WITH MS. OLSON. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF

STAFF? >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

LESLIE OLSON FOR THE RECORD. NO.

NOT YET. I'M NOT USED TO THAT LATER.

AGAIN MY NAME IS LESLIE OLSON WITH STRICT PLANNING GROUP REPRESENTING PULTE HOME GROUP. SO PLEASED TO BE HERE TONIGHT FOR OUR FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT. I REALLY WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR GETTING US TO THIS POINT. AND WE ARE SO PLEASED TO BE HERE. I HOPE THAT BY THE END OF THIS HEARING EVERYBODY'S THRILLED AND WE'VE GOT DIRECTION AND WE'VE GOT A LOVELY ENTRY FEATURE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE PULTE BUILD ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THE TRAVELLING PUBLIC TO WELCOME THEM HERE. I DID NOT BRING A STICK.

DO YOU HAVE THE ADVANCER THING? >> WE'LL GIVE YOU THE MOUSE.

>> VERY GOOD. AND WHILE WE'RE PULLING THAT UP, WE HAVE BROUGHT SOME NEW RENDERINGS.

EVER SINCE PLANNING BOARD, WE'VE BEEN WORKING.

SO THAT WE CAN THROUGH THAT AT THAT TIME.

WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THE BASICS FIRST.

CORNERSTONE. VENICE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING. I'M GOING TO JUST HIT THE HIGH POINTS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.

THIS IS GREAT SITE FOR ATTAINABLE HOUSING, ANOTHER WORD

FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> DID YOU SAY OBTAINABLE?

>> ATTAINABLE HOUSING. >> YOU LIKE THAT?

>> JESUS. >> APPARENTLY NOT.

I DON'T WANT -- >> IT'S A GREAT PLACE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT GREAT SATISFACTION TO FLORIDA'S TURNPIKE, I95, SO A CORE OF COMMUNITY SERVICES TO, JOBS, TO THE KINGS HIGHWAY JOBS

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CORRIDOR, CORE INDUSTRIAL AREA, TO SHOPS, TO SCHOOLS, TO CHURCHES. OUR PROCESS HERE, WE HAVE GOTTEN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT.

THAT WAS APPROVED. WE'VE GOTTEN OUR MASTER PD.

IT WAS THERE THAT WE SET THE STANDARDS THAT THIS FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT ON. SO BASICALLY WE'VE ALREADY SET THE STANDARDS. WE'VE WRITTEN THE CODE.

FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE. AND NOW THIS APPLIES THOSE STANDARDS. AND AS VENICE SAID, WE MEET ALL OF THOSE STANDARDS. WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH OUR MASTER PD. THIS IS THE FINAL STEP AND YOU ARE, OF COURSE, THE DECISION MAKER FOR IT.

THIS DELIVERS REALLY QUALITY HOUSING AT ONE OF FORT PIERCE'S MOST STRATEGIC LOCATIONS ADJACENT TO THIS MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CORRIDORS. THE INTERSTATES AND NEIGHBORHOOD GOODS AND SERVICES. THIS DENSITY AT 4.79 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THE TWELVE UNITS PER ACRE ALLOWED UNDER THE RM LAND USE.

IT'S WALKABLE AND GREEN AND CONNECTED.

LINEAR PARK, HABITAT CREATING RAIN GARDENS INSTEAD OF DRY KEY TENSION SWALES, A POOL, CABANA AND PLAYGROUND, THAT CUSTOM IDENTITY FEATURE. IT'S BEEN DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE THOSE NOISE IMPACTS BUT WE HAVE THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL JUST IN CASE. WE HAVE A WAY OF ENSURING THAT OUR NEW RESIDENTS WILL NOT BE IMPACTED AND A GREAT TREE LINE STREET NETWORK. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

WE TOOK THE FACT THAT WE ARE DOING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT VERY SERIOUSLY. WE VERY CONSCIOUSLY FOCUSED ON RESILIENT LIVING AND WORKING, PROPERTY DESIGN EXCELLENCE, IMPROVED AMENITIES, IMAGINATIVE COMMUNITY PLANNING, SPEAKING TO KEV'S IDEA AT OUR PREAPP MEETING TO CREATE AN IDENTITY FEATURE THAT WOULD BE A WELCOMING FEATURE INTO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. NATURAL FEATURES AND SCENIC AREAS, ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT WITH ECONOMIC BENEFITS, STORMWATER INNOVATION WITH THOSE RAIN GARDENS, EFFICIENT LAND USE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT USES AS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.

THIS IS THAT LINEAR PARK WITH THE IDENTITY FEATURE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER WHERE YOU SEE IT AS YOU'RE COMING OFF OF I95 COMING INTO FORT PIERCE. YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL OF THOSE AREAS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE LAKES AND ADJACENT TO THAT LINEAR WALKING PATH, THOSE ARE ALL INSTEAD OF BEING SWALES, THOSE ARE HABITA CREATING RAIN GARDENS SO THEY'LL DO A BETTER JOB OF CLEANING THE WATER, OF ATTRACTING WILDLIFE AND THEY'LL CREATE BEAUTIFUL VISTAS FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT.

THEY ALSO WILL HELP CUT DOWN ON NOISE FROM I95 AND THEN THERE'S A ONE-THIRD MILE LONG TRAIL CONNECTING THE IDENTITY FEATURE TO THE COMMUNITY HUB. AND THIS IS THAT POOL WITH THE CABANA, THE PLAYGROUND, THE MAIL KIOSKS, THE BUS STOP.

WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THE WAY THAT TODD DESIGNED THIS SITE IS THAT HE WAS REALLY REALLY CAREFUL TO MAXIMIZE EVERY SINGLE SQUARE FOOT SO WHILE THE KIDS ARE WAITING FOR THE BUS, THEY CAN PLAY ON THE PLAYGROUND. WHILE THEIR PARENTS ARE WATCHING THEM FROM THE CAR. AND THEY CAN GO GET THE MAIL AT THE SAME TIME. LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR MEETING YOUR NEIGHBORS, THE KIDS SOCIALIZING AND THEN YOU CAN GO FOR WALK. THIS IS THE LINEAR PARK WEST PROPERTY SECTION. THIS KIND OF ILLUSTRATES HOW WIDE THAT LINEAR PARK IS. IT'S NOT JUST A PATH BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE WALL. YOU HAVE 95 FEET BETWEEN YOUR CLOSEST PROPERTY LINE. YOU HAVE YOUR LOT LINE AND THEN YOUR PROPERTY LINE AND BETWEEN THAT IS 95 FEET.

AND WITHIN THAT, YOU HAVE THE RAIN GARDENS, THE WALKING TRAIL, A FOUR-FOOT-HIGH BERM AND EIGHT-FOOT-HIGH WALL ON TOP OF THAT. WE HAVE 186 FEET FROM THE FIRST

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PROPERTY LINE OF THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE PAVEMENT.

ON THE I95 OFF-RAMP. THAT'S A LONG WAYS.

THIS IS WHAT THE RAIN GARDENS WILL LOOK LIKE AND HERE WE ARE AT THE IDENTITY FEATURE, SOW GOT THEM JUST IN TIME.

SO AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, I THEY ARE VERY LARGE MASTER COMMUNITY SIGNS. I UNDERSTAND WHERE VENICE IS COMING FROM GIVING US THE IDEA OF SOMETHING MORE GRAND, MORE FOCUSED ON THE ART THAN THE NAME.

THE TEAM FROM PULTE HAVE BEEN WORKING TIRELESSLY TRYING TO IMPROVE ON THIS AND I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU ARE SOME REALLY NICE IDEAS. WHAT WE ARE ASKING TONIGHT IS FOR FEEDBACK AND HOPEFULLY CONSENSUS ON ONE OF THESE TWO DESIGNS SO THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD AND BUILD IT.

WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THIS WRAPPED UP TONIGHT SO AME WILL TALK THROUGH IT WITH YOU. WE ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF DOING THIS. WE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA. I LOVE THE IDEA OF CREATING A WELCOMING FEATURE TO FORT PIERCE.

IT AS GREAT COMMUNITY BENEFIT. BUT WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK IF WE DON'T HAVE TO.

THAT IS OUR ASK. THOSE ARE THE NEW FEATURES FOR YOU. AND AME CARLSON OF PULTE WILL

SPEAK ABOUT IT. >> THANK YOU.

I HAVE BEEN SWORN N AND WE HAVE SOME HANDOUTS FOR YOU.

AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY TIRELESSLY TO TRY TO BRING THIS TO RESOLUTION AND GET CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSION TONIGHT.

OUR INITIAL THOUGHT AFTER WE RECEIVED THE FEEDBACK FROM STAFF -- THANK YOU. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE CHALLENGED TO COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA AND WE'RE CERTAINLY A FAN OF FOLKS CHALLENGING US SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THE RIGHT ANSWER HERE. INITIALLY, WITH THAT, MAYBE THE ISSUE WAS THE COMMUNITY NAME ON THE IDENTITY FEATURE THAT WE PROPOSED AND SO AS ONE ALTERNATIVE, WE ARE HAPPY TO REMOVE THE CORNERSTONE NAME AND REMOVE THE PULTE LOGO ONCE WE ARE OUT OF THE COMMUNITY SO AFTER THE SALES AND MARKETING PERIOD. THAT WOULD BE AT OUR COST.

WE WOULD JUST GO IN AND RESURFACE THAT.

LET'S JUST PUT THAT ASIDE AND WALK THROUGH THE TWO THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE INNOVATIVE, IF YOU WILL.

YOU HAVE A HANDOUT THAT IS A TOWER FEATURE.

IT'S GOT THE MARLIN ON THE TOP AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS DOES IS WE TRIED TO TAKE THE FEEDBACK OF A LITTLE BIT MORE ARTISTIC, A LITTLE BIT MORE SCULPTURAL, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A WOW FACTOR AND AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT YOU HAVE ARRIVED HERE IN FORT PIERCE. SO IT IS EVOKING THE WATER, THE BLUE WAVES ARE THE WAVES AND THE OCEAN.

THE GOLD IS MEANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SUNRISE AND SO WE KIND OF DREW FROM THE CITY'S LOGO THERE AND PULLING IN THOSE ELEMENTS AND THEN THE MARLIN IS ON THE TOP.

WE'VE ADJUSTED THE COLOR SO THAT IT STOOD OUT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS IT MIGHT FADE INTO THE BEAUTIFUL BLUE SKIES THAT WE HAVE MOST OF THE YEAR.

IF WE WERE ALL ASKED TO DRAW SOMETHING, WE MIGHT DRAW SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. WE HAVE THE WATER BUT IT'S EXPRESSED IN A DIFFERENT WAY. RATHER THAN BE MOLTTLED PAINT TE WAYS, THEY ARE ABSTRACT. YOU HAVE THE WAVES BUT THEY'RE ON RECESSED IN LIKE THE WATER WOULD BE RECESSED AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE FISH ON THE TOP. BOTH OF THEM SAY WELCOME TO FORT

PIERCE, THE SUNRISE CITY. >> IS THERE ANY WAY THEY CAN BE DISPLAYED? YOU'VE GOT BLUE, THE MARLIN.

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FORT PIERCE, WELCOME TO THE SUNRISE CITY AND YOU'RE HERE AS YOU'RE COMING OF. THIS IS THE SECOND ONE.

AND SO THE WAVES ARE EXPRESSED USING MOSAIC TILE IN THIS ONE.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE -- I THINK THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ABSTRACT BECAUSE THE COLORS ARE A LITTLE FUNKIER, IF YOU WILL. WE'RE TO HELPING GET CONSENSUS OR IF YOU PREFER TO GO BACK TO THE FIRST OPTION, THAT'S FINE.

WE TRIED TO LISTEN TO THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM STAFF AND BRING FORWARD SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE ARTISTIC, WAS MORE SCULPTURE AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK AND YOUR CONSENSUS BECAUSE WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A DECISION TONIGHT, REMOVE CONDITION NUMBER 8 THAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF STAFF WORKING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD TO WORD THE CONDITION IN THE WAY IT WOULD NOT DELAY US. WE'RE HAPPY YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK AND IN ABOUT NINE MONTHS, YOU'LL BE THERE FOR A RIBBON CUTTING

WITH US. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO YOU HAVE MORE PRESENTATION FROM YOUR GROUP?

WHAT'S OUR TIME? >> 4 MINUTES AND 39 SECONDS.

>> I CAN DO THAT. THESE ARE PD DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. WE COMPORT WITH ALL OF THEM.

I WANTED TO SHOW YOU ALL THE LITTLE GREEN CHECKS.

WE HAVE GREAT ACCESS AND TRANSPORTATION, TWO PROJECT ENTRANCES. ONE ALIGNS WITH THE SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH, ONE ALIGNS WITH INDEPENDENCE CLASSICAL ACADEMY TO THE SOUTH. WE ARE BUILDING THE ACCESS ROAD FOR THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL TO THE NORTH.

WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING. L EVERYTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED.

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THOSE WERE SET AT THE MASTER PD LEVEL.

SO YOU SATISFY THE CODE. THE APPLICANTS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PD AND THAT MEETS THE REQUIRMENTS OF FINAL PD.

THE FINAL PD IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER.

WE MET THE FINAL PD STANDARDS. STAFF HAS INDICATED THAT WE HAVE MET THE STANDARDS OR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. >> FOR THE RECORD YOU'RE LEE

DOBBINS AND YOU WERE SWORN IN. >> YOU STILL HAVE THIRTY

SECONDS. >> GEEZ.

I CAN TALK FOR LONGER. >> COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS OF

THE APPLICANT. >> I KNOW I DO.

I'LL COME BACK AROUND. >> I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU AND YOUR CREW FOR GOING THROUGH THIS AND THE PROJECT, I THINK, YOU STATED VERY CLEARLY HAS MET THE STANDARDS OF A REVIEW FROM THE CODE STANDPOINT.

I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT HOW THE CITY COULD BE PUTTING OURSELVES IN A PLACE THAT HOME RULE WILL BECOME AN ISSUE FOR THE FUTURE. IF WE PUT CONDITIONS SUCH AS NUMBER 8 IN OUR PROCESS, MY FEAR IS THAT THE LEGISLATURE WILL COME BACK TO US AND START TO TRY AND CHALLENGE US ABOUT -- THEY DID IT TO US ON DENSITY ISSUES ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENTS.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HEAR FROM EACH OF US HERE.

AND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE PLANNING GROUP AS I WATCH THEIR MEETINGS SOMETIMES. MY FEAR IS THAT WE GET INTO A SITUATION THAT THESE CONDITIONS BECOME ONEROUS AND CAUSE ISSUES AND THEN A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE A LOT OF ENTANGLEMENTS IN THE LEGISLATURE.

SO I KNOW I SHOULDN'T DO THIS TO YOU BUT CAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR POINT OF VIEW AS TO THESE TYPES OF CONDITIONS THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, PUSHING OUTSIDE INVESTORS AWAY FROM FORT PIERCE.

SORRY TO DO THAT TO YOU. YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON IN FRONT OF YOU. OF ME.

>> OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AN AFFORDABLE COMMUNITY, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO KEEP YOUR COSTS DOWN SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU NOT HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL INCREASE THOSE COSTS. TIME IS VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL.

AND THAT'S A BIG CONCERN IS THE TIME THAT IT MIGHT TAKE TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS, HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS. CONSULTANT TIME WAS ALSO A CONCERN. NOT JUST THE TIME FROM BEGINNING TO END, BUT THE TIME FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME AND MS. OLSON AND THE OTHER CONSULTANTS. WE'RE NOT CHEAP.

THAT COSTS MONEY AS WELL. WITH RESPECT TO THIS PARTICULAR CONDITION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT IS MORE THAN L TO PROVIDE AND HAPPY TO PROVIDE AS A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AS LONG AS IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN SCALE AND WITHIN SCOPE, WHICH I THINK WE ARE ACHIEVING

WITH WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING. >> I LIKE THESE LAST TWO VERY MUCH. AND THE ONE THAT I LIKE THE MOST IS THE ONE WITH THE VERY TALL POST KIND OF FOR ME FORT PIERCE IS UP AND COMING. JUST LIKE THAT SAIL FISH IS COMING OUT OF THE WATER. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THERE. IT'S KIND OF THE MESSAGE.

SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

>> I'VE GOT A COUPLE. I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY, A PIECE OF ART SIGN, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT MS. OLSON HAD COMMENTED ON THIS.

IS THAT THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY IS VERY UNIQUE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE UP ON SOUTH KINGSHIGHWAY. AND THE CRITICAL NATURE OF WHAT

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WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE ON SOUTH KINGS HIGHWAY IS FUELLED BY WORKFORCE. IF WE CAN'T PROVE TO NATIONAL FIRMS THAT ARE LOOKING TO IF THEY COME AND TELL THEM, WE NEED CAN FORGET ABOUT FORT PIERCE. WE NEED HOUSE TO GO SUPPORT THESE EMPLOYEES AT A REASONABLE RATE.

I BELIEVE THIS COMMISSION HAS DONE -- AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, ON KEV FREEMAN'S DIRECTION, HAS DONE A SIGNIFICANTLY GREAT JOB IN FORMULATING ATTAINABLE HOUSING.

I'M POINTING TO YOU. RIGHT THERE.

ATTAINABLE HOUSING. WORKFORCE HOUSING.

HOWEVER YOU WANT TO REFER TO IT. THIS EASEMENT ISSUE, CAN YOU GIVE US A VERY BRIEF HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT IS THIS CONTROLLING? WHAT'S THE EASEMENT FOR? WHAT'S THE PROBLE WITH GETTING IT RESOLVED WITH THE PERSON WHO

HOLDS THE EASEMENT? >> THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH GETTING IT RESOLVED. IT IS RESOLVED.

THE EASEMENT WAS ORIGINALLY IN PLACE WHEN IT WAS GOING TO PROVIDE ACCESS THROUGH A PRIOR DEVELOPMENT.

INTO THE PROPERTY ADJACENT. THAT PROPERTY HAS ITS OWN ACCESS. IT'S TO PROVIDE IT WITH BETTER ACCESS. I ASSUME THAT CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION, THEY WOULD ONLY GET A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.

>> I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT TRACK. >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH LEGAL ACCESS TO IT.

WHAT OFTEN HAPPENS WITH EXISTING EASEMENTS AND SITE PLANNING WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, YOU DON'T WANT TO TYPICAL RELOCATE UNTIL YOU HAVE YOUR SITE PLAN APPROVED. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T GET APPROVED, THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE RELOCATED OR RELOCATED IF THE SITE PLAN CHANGES, MAYBE YOU RELOCATED IT TO THE WRONG PLACE. THE ISSUE WITH TIMING IS THAT THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNER -- PULTE IS UNDER CONTRACT TO BUY THIS. AS SOON AS THEY HAVE THE APPROVALS, THEY'LL CLOSE ON IT. THERE'S AN EXISTING PROPERTY OWNER RIGHT NOW THAT DOESN'T WANT TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT RELOCATING THE EASEMENT ON THEIR PROPERTY UNTIL SOMETHING HAS BEEN APPROVED. AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN THIS ISSUE THAT YOU NEEDED TO GET THE APPROVALS, GET CLOSED ON THE PROPERTIESING SXREE LOCATE THE EASEMENT.

>> YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO RELOCATE THE EASEMENT ONCE YOU

TAKE OWNERSHIP. >> THERE IS AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE ALREADY. THERE'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE EASEMENT THAT HAS BEEN AGREED UPON BETWEEN PULTE, THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNER AND THE NEIGHBOR THAT'S BENEFITTED.

THE THREE PARTIES HAVE AGREED UPON IT.

THAT AMENDMENT TO EASEMENT HAS BEEN SIGNED.

THE NEIGHBOR WANTED SOME ABILITY IF THIS PROPERTY DIDN'T GO FORWARD IN A TIMELY MANNER TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A TEMPORARY ACCESS. WANTED BETTER LANGUAGE THAN WAS IN THE ORIGINAL EASEMENT AND IN TERMS OF HOW SOON THE EASEMENT WOULD GET CONSTRUCTED ONCE CONSTRUCTION STARTS ON SITE.

THAT GOT COMPLICATED BECAUSE IF THEY'RE COMING ON, WE NEED INDEMNIFY INDICATION, AND INSURANCE.

THAT MADE IT TAKE LONGER. THAT ALL GOT WORKED OUT SOME TIME AGO. THAT AMENDMENT TO EASEMENT IS SIGNED AND SITTING IN ESCROW. SO IT IS JUST IN ESCROW WAITING FOR PULTE TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY.

THEN THAT EASEMENT'S READY TO GO.

>> THANK YOU. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN HERE AND TO BE CLEAR, I WANT THIS CRYSTAL CHEER, IS THAT I DON'T WANT TO BE SITTING HERE -- I GUESS I GOT SIX MONTHS LEFT ON MY TERM -- I MAY NOT BE HERE FOR SEVEN MONTHS.

THAT YOU COME BACK HERE AND SAY, WE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THIS EASEMENT. WE NEED TO SCRAP THIS WHOLE THING. AND WE NEED THE CITY ADMISSION'S HELP TO RESET THIS EASEMENT AND I KNOW DIRECTOR FREEMAN IS ROLLING HIS EYES. YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M GOING

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WITH THIS. I DO NOT WANT THIS ISSUE THAT REALLY IS NOT RELATED TO OUR APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN YOU'RE INDICATING THAT THE PAPERWORK'S BEEN SIGNED SO IF THAT'S THE CASE IT'S GOING TO BE DISCHARGED UPON CLOSING.

>> CORRECT. PULTE WOULDN'T CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY WITH THAT BEING AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE RISK HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON THEM THAT IF IT DIDN'T GET WORKED OUT AND THEY HAVE A SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THEY CLOSE AND THEN THE NEIGHBOR SAYS, OH, I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU RELOCATE IT, NOW THEY GOT A PROBLEM. THEY'VE LOST THEIR INVESTMENT.

YOU'RE ENSURING ME THIS DOCUMENT IS SIGNED.

>> THAT WAS FOR PULTE SO WHEN THEY CLOSE --

>> I THINK YOUR CLIENT'S INTEREST IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE'S IN THAT INTEREST ARE LINKED.

YOU SEEM TO HAV IT UNDER CONTROL AND IT'S GOING TO BE WRAPPED UP UPON PULTE'S CLOSING AND IF THEY DON'T CLOSE ON IT, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER KETTLE OF FISH.

>> THAT WILL BE THE PROBLEM FOR THE NEXT PERSON THAT GOES TO DEVELOP THE SITE AND THEY'LL LOCATE IT SOMEPLACE COMPLETELY

DIFFERENT. >> THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANT THIS

TO HE SOO THIS AGAIN. >> YOU CAN WORK OUT WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THE SIGNAGE ISSUE ALTHOUGH I PARTICULARLY

LIKE ONE OF THESE IN HERE. >> WHAT I WANT TO DO IS CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AFTER WE MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S HAD THEIR QUESTIONS. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC? ANY MORE FROM THE APPLICANTED? WE'RE GOOD.

CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. I THINK I LIKE THE SAME ONES THAT YOU GUYS LIKE. ONE IS A MONUMENT AND ONE IS A

TOMBSTONE, I DON'T KNOW. >> ONE IS UP AND COMING.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND A MOTION AND WE HAVE TO DECIDE.

SO >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION ON THE SIGN ISSUE THAT WE SEEM TO BE IN CONSENSUS ON THAT TO APPROVE

IDENTITY FEATURE, THIS ONE. >> RIGHT.

DO WE WANT TO APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT FIRST?

>> LET ME BACK UP. >> IDENTITY FEATURE NUMBER ONE AND THEN THE ONE THAT IS WITH THE TILES, IDENTITY FEATURE

NUMBER TWO. >> IF WE WANT TO KEEL WITH THE SITE PLAN, WE SHOULD PROBABLY CLEAN THAT UP.

>> I'M GOING TO PUT IT ON THE DOT KHAM PHOT RECORD AND ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC. I'LL BE UPLOADING THEM TO THE

WEBSITE IN THE MORNING. >> DO YOU WANT THE CONDITIONS

BACK UP THERE? >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO

ASK. >> THEY'RE PULLING THIS.

>> YES. >> I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT CONDITION 8, SINCE YOU ALL ARE PICKING A DESIGN, YOU CHANGE THAT TO BASICALLY THAT THEY SHALL.

>> AS APPROVED HERE. >> CORRECT.

>> THAT BASICALLY 8 BECOMES THIS MONUMENT ARTWORK WHATEVER.

THAT YOU HAVE SELECTED. >> IN OTHER WORDS, 8 BECOMES

WHAT WE SELECTED. >> OKAY.

>> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS GIVEN, ELIMINATING CONDITION A TO A REWORDING CONDITION 8 TO REFLECT THAT THIS IS THE SIGN WE APPROVED.

NUMBER ONE. >> EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON?

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>> CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU.

WELCOME TO FORT PIERCE. >> NEXT WE HAVE RESOLUTION

[A. Resolution 26-R31 - Entering an Interlocal Funding Agreement Between the City of Fort Pierce and the Fort Pierce Redevelopment Agency for the Depot Drive Parking Lot Project]

NUMBER 2626-R32 THAT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ENTERING INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, AND THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY WHEREBY THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY WILL PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE DEPOT DRIVE PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT PROVIDING FINDING, PROVIDING AUTHORIZATION, REPEALING ALL RES RUSINGS ALLOWINGSES AND PROVIDE FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> IS THERE A MOTION? >> QUESTION.

>> YES. >> I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHETHER A WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING HERE, INTERLOCAL FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE...

THE PARKING LOT PROJECT. WHAT DOES THIS ACTUALLY MEAN? DOES IT MEAN THAT THE FPRA IS PAYING FOR THIS? LET ME GET OUT REST THIS. I KNOW THIS GETS A CHUCKLE EVERY TIME I BRING IT UP. THERE IS AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY THAT THE COUNTY'S SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING FOR 50% OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS DOWN IN THE SOUTH END OF DEPOT DRIVE. CHEYENNE, YOU GOT ALL THAT,

RIGHT? >> YES, SIR.

>> AND THAT WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS REACHED BETWEEN CITY MANAGEMENT AT THE TIME. AND SO WE NEED TO REFRESH THEIR MEMORIES OF THIS. I KNOW WE HAVE COMMISSIONER CLASBY BUT HE'S NOT RESPONSIBLE TO CARRY THIS BACK TO HIS COMMISSION. MY MEMORY, IF IT'S CORRECT, IS THAT THE COUNTY WAS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS BECAUSE OF THE ADVANTAGES IT WOULD HAVE FOR COURTHOUSE PARKING AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE SO THEY WERE IN FOR 50% OF THE IMPROVEMENTS SO AS SOON AS WE HAVE A SITE PLAN AVAILABLE, I THINK WE'RE DOING THIS INTERNALLY. EXTERNAL? THIS WAS A FULL PARKING LOT. THIS WASN'T ONE OF THE GRAVEL --

>> RIGHT. >> -- DUST BOWL LOTS.

THAT WAS ASPHALT AND CAR STOPS AND FINGER ISLANDS AND LIGHTING AND ALL THAT. IT WAS NOT AN INEXPENSIVE

UNDERTAKING. >> YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BEFORE AND WITH WE PROBABLY DO NEED A FORMAL WAY OF MAKING SURE THE COUNTY HAS SOMEBODY -- THIS IS FROM OUR PRA OFFICE.

GETTING CONTACT WITH COUNTY ADMINISTER LAND BECAUSE HE WAS INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION. IT NEEDS TO BE REFRESHED.

WE NEED TO CONFIRM THAT THIS IS AN AGREEMENT.

BECAUSE JACK HAD COSTED THIS THING OUT WHEN HE WAS HERE.

AND I THINK HE WAS LOW. BUT HE WAS IN THE HIGH 400,000S FOR THIS PROJECT. FOR ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS.

HAVING SAID THAT, WE GET THEM IN FOR 250,000, WE'RE IN FOR 250.

THAT'S A LOT BETTER PILL TO SWALLOW.

>> THIS IS AN INTERLOCAL FUNDING AGREEMENT FOR THE DESIGN OF THE PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS. WE DID DISCUSS THAT AGREEMENT AND WE WILL BE REACHING OUT TO THE COUNTY.

WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE THE DESIGN READY BUT THEY CAN CERTAINLY PARTAKE IN THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN APPROACH THEM FOR THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AS WE MOVE

FORWARD. >> THE DESIGN COSTS.

>> THIS IS DESIGN. THIS IS AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE FPRA. WE'LL BE USING THE CITY'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO INTERFACE WITH THE CONSULTANT.

THEY ARE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.

MARK IS HERE. BUT THE FPRA WILL BE FUNDING THE DESIGN WHICH IS THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU.

IT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD LAST WEEK.

>> OKAY. HAVING SAID THAT, WE'RE ASKING THESE GUYS FOR A QUARTER MILLION BUCKS.

I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOME INPUT TO THIS. AND ADVISE THEM THAT, HEY, WE'RE SPENDING YOUR MONEY. YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED ANYTHING WITH US YET. BECAUSE WE WANT TO RECAPTURE SOFT COSTS AND HARD COSTS HERE. THE FPRA WILL FRONT THE MONEY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR PLANS?

>> AROUND $118,000. IT WAS ON CONSENT AGENDA.

>> I DO RECALL THAT BEING THERE. THAT PUTS THE COUNTY ON THE HOOK FOR 60K. I WANT THE 60K.

SO I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE ENGAGE THEM NOW TO GET THIS DIALOG GOING TO REFRESH THEIR MEMORIES OF WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE HERE AND THAT BE PREPARED TO GET IT BOTH FROM THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FOR 60 GRAND.

>> YES, SIR. >> THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD MOVE TO ME. GOOD WAY TO REMIND THEM IS TO SAY, LOOK, WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO THIS DESIGN.

WE WANT YOUR INPUT. REMEMBER THIS WHEN WE TALKED

ABOUT THIS BEFORE? >> THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS OF PLANNING THIS THING.

>> RIGHT. >> OKAY.

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>> IF WE HAVE ANY PUSHBACK ON THE MONEY, WE GOT TO GET

INVOLVED WITH THAT. >> AS LONG AS IT'S ON SOMEBODY'S

AGENDA AND CLEAR DIRECTION. >> I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL HERE. I'M DEALING WITH THESE SO-CALLED AGREEMENTS AND SO-CALLED PROMISES AND SO-CALLED WHATEVER.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE DOCUMENTATION IN BLACK AND WHITE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. I HAVE NOT SEEN IT.

SO LET'S BE VERY CAREFUL HERE BEFORE WE PUT INTO THE PUBLIC THAT THE COUNTY'S GOING TO BE UP FOR THIS.

THE COUNTY WILL BE DOING THIS. BECAUSE IF FOR SOME REASON THE COUNTY SAYS, WE DIDN'T AGREE TO THAT, WE CAN'T SAY THEY DID BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DOCUMENTATION.

I WANT US TO BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS I HOPE THE COUNTY COMES IN AND SAYS I REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION. WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

IF THEY DON'T, WE'RE PUTTING OUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEND THE BILL TO THE COUNTY AND THERE HAVE BEEN NO AGREEMENT.

WE NEED TO STOP PUTTING THAT OUT IN THERE.

IF THERE WAS SOME AGREEMENT BETWEEN MANAGEMENT OR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND CITY MANAGEMENT, IT WASN'T BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION IN BLACK AND WHITE. UNTIL I SEE THAT, IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY, HEY, THIS AGREEMENT IS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE FDRA. IF WE FIND SOMETHING AND THE COUNTY WANTS TO COME ABOARD AND SAY WE LIKE THIS, WE'LL HELP.

THAT'S GREAT. LET'S NOT PUT IT INTO THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEND A BILL TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE COUNTY COULD TURN AROUND AND SEND IT RIGHT BACK TO US AND WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY WE SAID THE COUNTY OWES HALF.

LET'S BACK UP. LET'S HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER HEARS OUR CONCERN.

LET HIM INVESTIGATE AND TELL US AND ONCE THEY TELL US IF THEY WANT INPUT, THEN WE WORK TOGETHER.

LET'S NOT START THROWING THESE AGREEMENTS OUT HERE.

THAT'S HOW WE ALWAYS GET IN TROUBLE BY THESE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE NOT IN BLACK AND WHITE. IT COMES BACK TO BITE US.

>> COMMISSIONER? >> IN A PAST LIFE, I WAS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AND MY RECOLLECTION IS IT HAD TO DO WITH THE BRIGHT LINE STATION TRYING TO SECURE THAT WITH THE APPROACH TO BRIGHT LINE AND THE STATE AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LISTEN. TO GET THAT OPPORTUNITY.

THE ONLY THING I COULD SEE IS THAT THEY MIGHT SAY, HEY, THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AGREEMENT, THAT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD FOR A BRIGHT LINE STATION.

BUT I ALSO REITERATE THAT THE COURTHOUSE CONTINUES TO NEED ADDITIONAL PARKING AND SO IT BEHOOVES US TO SECURE THAT WITH THEIR ASSISTANCE BECAUSE THE COURTHOUSE DOES TAKE UP A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PARKING DOWNTOWN AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD PARTNERSHIP TO MOVE THAT FORWARD IN THAT REGARD.

>> YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, RIGHT? IS THERE ARE A MOTION? THERE'S A MOTION AND ESTABLISHING FOR 26-R31.

[B. Resolution 26-R32 - Entering an Interlocal Funding Agreement Between the City of Fort Pierce and the Fort Pierce Redevelopment Agency for the Jetty Park West Improvements Project]

NEXT WE HAVE 26-R32, AN INTRER LOCAL FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FOR THE JETTY WEST IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT WHEREBY THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY WILL PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT AND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND PROVIDING FINDINGS AND AUTHORIZATION, REPEALING ALL RESOLUTIONS AND CONFLICTS HEREWITH, PROVIDING SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

[C. Discussion regarding renewal of City Attorney Sara Hedges contract.]

>> MAYOR HUTSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

THE NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION REGARDING THE RENEWAL OF CITY

ATTORNEY SARA HEDGES' CONTRACT. >> BEFORE WE START, I JUST WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS BACKUP ADDED TO THE AGENDA ITEM ALL THREE CONTRACTS FOR ALL CHARTER OFFICERS WAS ADDED AND THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE NINETY-DAY RENEWAL IS IN FACT IN ALL THREE CHARTER OFFICERS' CONTRACTS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR FOR THE RECORD.

>> IT DOES NOT HAVE -- >> IT DOES AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE ONE. IT DOES.

BOTTOM OF PAGE ONE. IF YOU WANT TO CHECK.

>> I MISSED IT THEN. >> YEAH.

>> IT'S EASY TO MISS BECAUSE IT STARTED AT THE BOTTOM AND WE'RE

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ONTO PAGE 2. SO IT IS ON -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR FOR THE RECORD FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACTS. THEY ARE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEM. AND THEN THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS ATTACHED BY COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY TODAY.

SO I THINK I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE TIMING WE HAD UNTIL JUNE 12TH, I BELIEVE, AND I THINK THAT WAS UNCLEAR AT THE LAST MEETING.

BUT THAT IS THE DATE AND I THINK THAT'S ALSO IN YOUR ATTACHMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO START THIS CONVERSATION WITH SOME COMMENTS ABOUT OUR PERFORMANCE OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND I THINK THAT WE, AS A COMMISSIONER, IT BEHOOVES US TO LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF HER JOB AND HER PERFORMANCE AND HER STABILITY IN THAT DEPARTMENT. COMMISSIONER THAT HAS ANY KIND OF CONCERNS ABOUT HER ACTIONS OR HER BEHAVIOR DISCUSS THAT WITH HER. IT'S KIND OF, IN MY OPINION, PREMATURE TO BE TALKING ABOUT NOT RENEWING IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITHOUT A THOROUGH DISCUSSION OF HER REVIEW AND SO I JUST WANT TO CLEAR THE AIR TO SAY I WANT TO START OUT WITH THAT. THAT'S A FAIR THING TO DO TO AN EMPLOYEE WHO WORKS FOR US AND HAS WORKED FOR US WELL ON FIVE YEARS. SO --

>> MAYOR, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT SO THAT IT SETS THE TONE SO WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT COMMISSIONER GAINES' CONCERNS AT THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS.

I DID THAT PURPOSELY. TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY WITHIN A CERTAIN BOUNDS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SUGGESTING THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS QUICK STATEMENT SO IF WE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS WITHOUT GOING INTO AN AREA THAT'S CONCERNING TO THE COMMISSIONER GAINES. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS DISCUSSION, AND I DO NOT INTEND -- LET ME START BACK HERE.

BEFORE I MAKE OPENING STATEMENTS LATER ON, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING OR ASKING THIS COMMISSION TO DELIBERATE UPON ANY PENDING CLAIM, THREATENED LITIGATION, PERSONAL -- PERSONNEL ALLEGATIONS OR DISPUTED FACTUAL MATTER THAT MAY INVOLVE THE CITY. THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION THAT I BROUGHT FORWARD.

AND I DO NOT INTEND TO ADDRESS THOSE MATTERS HERE TONIGHT.

WE SHOULD ALL FOLLOW THAT EFFORT.

MY COMMENTS ARE LIMITED AND WILL BE LIMITED TO STRICTLY TO GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE, CHARTER AUTHORITY, OPERATIONAL BOUNDARIES, CONTRACT OVERSIGHT AND THE COMMISSION'S INDEPENDENT RESPONSIBILITY REGARDING RENEWAL PROVISIONS CONTAINED WITHIN THE CHARTER OFFICER AGREEMENTS. I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ENCOURAGE THAT THIS DISCUSSION REMAINS FOCUSED ON THOSE GOVERNANCE ISSUES AND NOT DRIFT INTO MATTERS THAT MAY ULTIMATELY BE ADDRESSED THROUGH SEPARATE LEGAL OR ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES.

THE COMMISSIONER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO EVALUATE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE, CONTRACTUAL OVERSIGHT AND CHARTER OFFICER AGREEMENT EXISTS INDEPENDENTLY OF ANY SEPARATE CLAIM OR POTENTIAL LITIGATION MATTER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT TO GET THAT IN THE RECORD

BEFORE WE START. >> ALL RIGHT.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO START? >> I DON'T HAVE A STATEMENT ABOUT ANY WORK PRODUCT. MY POSITION HAS BEEN ABOUT THE CHARTER. WHAT WE DO OR DON'T HAVE.

IN AND CONTRACT REVIEWS OR RENEWAL PROCESS, MY GOAL IS TO STAY TO THAT. IF YOU PREFER, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THAT AND MAKE THAT STATEMENT NOW.

>> YOU ASKED FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM, SO YOU GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AGAIN, NOT TO RESTATE THE PREVIOUS STATEMENT.

I'LL GO FORWARD. THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY A GOVERNANCE DISCUSSION INVOLVING SYSTEMIC, FOUNDATIONAL AND CORE ISSUES REGARDING. THE CHARTER IS THE CONTROLLING LEGAL DOCUMENT FOR THE CITY. IT ESTABLISHES DISTINCT AND INTENTIONAL ROLES. THE COMMISSION ESTABLISHES POLICY. THE CITY MANAGER ADMINISTERS OPERATIONS. THE CITY ATTORNEY SERVES AS LEGAL ADVISOR AND COUNSEL AND PROFESSIONAL STAFF EXERCISE

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RESPONSIBILITIES WITHIN THEIR LICENSED AND TECHNICAL FIELDS.

THOSE DISTINCTIONS ARE NOT TECHNICALITIES.

THEY ARE FOUNDATIONAL THROUGH ACCOUNTABILITY, EFFICIENCY, TRANSPARENCY AND THE PROPER FUNCTIONING OF MUNS FALL GOVERNMENT. BECAUSE LEGAL AUTHORITY IS NOT THE SAME AS ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY AND LEGAL REVIEW IS NOT THE SAME AS OPERATIONAL CONTROL.

THE CHARTER DEFINES THE CITY ATTORNEY AS ADVISOR AND COUNSEL.

I BELIEVE RECENT EVENTS HAVE HIGHLIGHTED DIFFERING INTERPRETATION REGARDING THE OPERATIONAL SCOPE AND THAT ROLE UNDER THE CHARTER FRAMEWORK. CONCERNS HAVE INCREASINGLY ARISEN WHERE A LEGAL REVIEW APPEARS TO HAVE EXTENDED INTO OPERATIONAL OR TECHNICAL DECISION-MAKING.

THAT INCLUDES CIRCUMSTANCES INVOLVING ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL MATTERS, OPERATIONAL DECISIONS AND SITUATIONS WHERE THE PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT OF ENGINEERING, PLANNING OR BUILDING OFFICIALS APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN OVERRIDDEN OR ALTERED THROUGH A LEGAL INTERPRETATION RATHER THAN TECHNICAL EXPERTISE.

THERE IS A PHRASE FAMILIAR IN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

AND THAT IS REVIEWED, PERFORM AND CORRECTNESS.

THAT PHRASE IS AN IMPORTANT IN LIMITING MEANING.

IT ENSURES LEGAL SUFFICIENCY, PROCEDURAL COMPLIANCE AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE LAW. IT DOES NOT MEAN REPLACING PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT, YOU CANS SUBSTITUTING LEGAL OPINION FOR TECHNICAL EXPERTISE OR EXERCISING OPERATIONAL AUTHORITY FOR THE GRANTED BY THE CHARTER. LEGAL REVIEW PROTECTS LEGALITY.

IT DOES NOT REPLACE ADMINISTRATION OR PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE. THIS MATTERS BECAUSE ONCE ADVISORY FUNCTIONS BECOME CROSSING -- BEGIN CROSSING INTO OPERATIONAL CONTROL, THE CHARTER STRUCTURE ITSELF BEGINS TO BLUR.

WHEN BOUNDARIES BECOME UNCLEAR, THE CITY FACES CONSTITUTIONAL CONFLICT AND LEGAL EXPOSURE. EROSION OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND DECLINING CONFIDENCE IN GOVERNMENT PROCESSES.

QUALMLY IMPORTANT, OUR EMPLOYEES SHOULD FEEL EMPOWERED TO PERFORM AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE AND CREATIVITY WITHIN THE AUTHORITY ASSIGNED TO THEM UNDER THE CHARTER AND ADMINISTRATIVE STRUCTURE OF THE CITY.

A HEALTHY MUNICIPAL ORGANIZATION SHOULD ENCOURAGE PROFESSIONALISM, COLLABORATION, INNOVATION, RESPONSIVENESS AND EFFECTIVE PROBLEM SOLVING FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.

AS COMMISSIONERS, WE ALSO HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO CONSIDER HOW THE CITY IS PERCEIVED EXTERNALLY WHETHER ENTIRELY ACCURATE OR NOT, CONCERNS INCREASINGLY -- ARE INCREASINGLY EXPRESSED BOTH PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY THAT THE CITY CAN AT TIMES BE DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH OR TO NAVIGATE. PERCEPTION MATTERS BECAUSE CONFIDENCE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT AFFECTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INVESTMENT, PARTNERSHIPS, REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND ULTIMATELY THE TAX BASE THAT SUPPORTS SERVICES FOR OUR CITIZENS. CLEAR GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE AND CLEARLY DEFINED AUTHORITY BOUNDARIES HELP BUILD CONFIDENCE INTERNALRY AND EXTERNALLY. FLORIDA LAW HAS LONG RECOGNIZE THAT HAD PUBLIC OFFICIALS POSSESS ONLY THE POWERS EXPRESSLY GRANTED OR NECESSARILY IMPLIED.

AUTHORITY MUST ORIGINATE IN THE CHARTER.

IT SHOULD NOT DEVELOP THROUGH ASSUMPTION, CUSTOM, ADMINISTRATIVE PRACTISE, ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, INDIVIDUAL CONTRACT LANGUAGE OR EVOLVING INTERPRETATION.

AS I REVIEWED ADDITIONAL CHARTER OFFICER CONTRACTS INCLUDING THE CITY CLERK AGREEMENT, I OBSERVED SIMILAR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL PROVISIONS TIED TO ADVANCED NOTICE DEADLINES.

HOWEVER, UPON REVIEW OF THE CITY MANAGER AND YOU CORRECTED MY POSITION, THAT THERE WAS NO RENEWAL CONTRACT BUT THAT ACTUALLY SUPPORTS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ABOUT THE RENEWAL COMPONENT AND NOT HAVING A FORMAL PROCESS TO DEAL WITH THE RENEWAL NOTIFICATION TO THE COMMISSION.

THAT DISTINCTION IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE SUGGESTS TO NOT CURRENTLY BE A UNIFIED STRUCTURE FOR PROVISION AND IS CALENDERING OF PROCEDURES AMONG MAJOR CHARTER OFFICER AGREEMENTS.

IT RAISES AN IMPORTANT INSTITUTIONAL QUESTION: DOES THE CITY CURRENTLY HAVE A FORMALIZED ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS TO IDENTIFY CONTRACTS CONTAINING RENEWAL NOTICE PROVISIONS, TO

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TRACK THOSE DEADLINES, TO ENSURE TIMELY COMMISSION AWARENESS AND TO PLACE THOSE MATTERS BEFORE THE COMMISSION SUFFICIENTLY IN ADVANCE FOR DELIBERATE PUBLIC REVIEW? BECAUSE WITHOUT SUCH A PROCESS, SIGNIFICANT AGREEMENTS MAY RENEW AUTOMATICALLY THROUGH PROCEDURAL TIMING RATHER THAN AFFIRM AFTER COMMISSION ACTION. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY AND GOVERNANCE PRACTISE FOR AGREEMENTS TO BE IMPROVED -- AGREEMENTS OF THIS IMPORTANT OF THE GOVERNMENT DECISIONS INVOLVING CHARTER OFFICERS SHOULD OCCUR THROUGH DELIBERATE PUBLIC ACTION, NOT THROUGH PASSIVE EXPIRATION OF NOTICE DEADLINES.

THIS IS NOT A FINDING OF MISCONDUCT.

IT IS A GOVERNANCE DETERMINING DETERMINATION REGARDING INSTITUTIONAL STRUCTURE, OPERATIONAL BOUNDARIES, ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY AND CONFIDENCE MOVING FORWARD.

I BELIEVE THE RELATIONSHIPS HAVE BECOME INCREASINGLY UNCLEAR INSTITUTIONALLY. IT'S A FOUNDATIONAL ISSUE I'M LOOKING AT. AND I BELIEVE THE CITY WOULD BENEFIT FROM A RESET THAT RESTORES CLARITY AND RULES, STRENGTHENS OVERSIGHT, IMPROVES ORGANIZATIONAL CONFIDENCE AND ENSURES CHARTER OFFICER AGREEMENTS ARE MANAGED THROUGH DELIBERATE GOVERNMENT PROCESS. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT.

I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT PROVIDING NOTICE OF NONRENEWAL DOES NOT PERMANENTLY FORECLOSE FUTURE DISCUSSIONS OR FUTURE CONTRACTUALLY CONSIDERATIONS BY THIS COMMISSION.

WHAT IT DOES DO IS PRESERVE THE COMMISSION'S FLEXIBILITY AND PREVENT AUTOMATIC CONTRACTUAL RENEWAL BEFORE THE COMMISSION HAS HAD SUFFICIENT OPPORTUNITY TO DELIBERATE AND REVIEW AND EVALUATE. IN MY VIEW, PRESERVING FLEXIBILITY AND REMAINING OOFRM AFTER COMMISSION OVERSIGHT IS THE MORE RESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENT APPROACH AND IF AT SOME POINT THE COMMISSION ULTIMATELY CHOSE TO REVISIT OR RENEGOTIATE A FUTURE AGREEMENT, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT ANY FUTURE CONTRACT MORE CLEARLY REDEFINE OR REINFORCE THE CHARTER'S INTENDED DIVISIONS OF AUTHORITY AND OPERATIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES. SO GOVERNANCE BOUNDARIES REMAIN WELL DEFINED MOVING FORWARD. AFTER CAREFUL CONSIDERATION, I BELIEVE THE APPROPRIATE COURSE IS TO PROVIDE TIMELY NOTICE OF NONRENEWAL UNDER THE CURRENT CITY ATTORNEY CONTRACT AND HOW ALLOW THE AGREEMENT TO CONCLUDE AT EXPIRATION OF ITS TERM.

I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION SHOULD ESTABLISH A FORMAL POLICY FOR MANAGING AND CALENDERING CHARTER OFFICER CONTRACTS.

OTHER MAJOR AGREEMENTS CONTAINING AUTOMATIC RENEWAL OR NOTICE PROVISIONS TO ENSURE TIMELY PUBLIC REVIEW AND DELIBERATE COMMISSION OVERSIGHT MOVING FORWARD.

MY CONCERN IS NOT PERSONALITIES. MY CONCERN IS PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF THE CHARTER STRUCTURE, MAINTAINING CLEAR OPERATIONAL BOUNDARIES, SUPPORTING OUR EMPLOYEES AND THE APPROPRIATE EXERCISE OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES AND ENSURING RESPONSIBLE GOVERNANCE FOR THE CITIZENS OF FORT PIERCE. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>> SO COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTARY.

IT WAS ENLIGHTENING. I THINK YOUR CONCLUSIONS ARE INACCURATE, BUT THAT'S NOT A DEBATE TO HAVE HERE.

I'VE READ THE CHARTER. I'VE READ THE CONTRACTS.

THE CONTRACTS ARE VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL WITH THE SAME NOTICE PROVISIONS, ET CETERA, AND TERMINATION REQUIREMENTS.

AND I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE PERSPECTIVE THAT THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ISSUE. I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A FACTION OF THE COMMISSION AND ADMINISTRATION THAT IS TARGETING MS. HEDGES BECAUSE THEY DON'T CONSIDER WITH WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE HER AGGRESSIVE LEGAL PERSPECTIVES, WHICH, FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, IS A VERY VALUABLE ASSET TO HAVE.

I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT SOMEBODY THAT'S MILQUETOAST SITTING IN THAT SEAT. I NEED SOMEBODY TOUGH.

SHE'S TOUGH. I KNOW SHE'S TOUGH WHEN SHE SITS THERE AND LECTURES ME, SHE'S TOUGH.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT, YOU'RE INDICATING THAT THE PERSONAL ISSUES SHOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN ANY OF THIS.

CLEARLY THAT IS THE CASE. THIS IS AN EMPLOYER-EMPLOYEE ISSUE, NOT A DO I LIKE THIS PERSON, DO I LIKE WHAT THEY PRODUCE FOR THE CITY TEAM THAT HER, ET CETERA.

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THIS IS JUST TAKING ON ALMOST A SENSE OF A WITCH TRIAL.

SO I'M JUST -- EVERYBODY ELSE HAS THEIR OPINION.

I'M PUTTING MY OPINION OUT THERE.

THAT THIS IS WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, MADAM MAYOR, YOU HAVEN'T ASKED FOR ANYTHING HERE YET FOR A MOTION. I'M GOING MAKE A MOTION, BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE THIS GET A SECOND AND IF IT'S NOT, IT WILL DIE OF ITS OWN. I MAKE A MOTION TO RENEW THE CONTRACT WITH MS. HEDGES FOR WHATEVER THE TERM OF THAT RENEWAL WOULD BE BASED ON A CONTRACT AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? IS THERE A SECOND? MAYOR PRO-TEM, WOULD YOU TAKE THE GAVEL AND NOW YOU ARE IN

CHARGE AND I WILL SECOND THAT. >> MADAM CLERK, THE MOTION HAS

BEEN PROPERLY MADE AND SECONDED. >> POINT OF ORDER.

>> I'M CALLING A POINT OF ORDER HERE.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM CARRYING A MOTION BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE COMMENT HERE.

I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT MAYBE THAT AS COMMISSIONERS THAT WE WOULD APPROACH THIS SO WE AT LEAST ALL WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS BEFORE MOTIONS HIT THE FLOOR.

BECAUSE I CAN APPRECIATE HEARING -- I'VE HEARD COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY. I'VE HEARD YOUR COMMENTS, MADAM MAYOR. I'LL LET COMMISSIONER GAINES SPEAK FOR HIMSELF. I'M CALLING THIS POINT OF ORDER BECAUSE I THINK THAT BEFORE WE GO DOWN A TRACT, I WANT TO REMIND US THAT WE NEED TO BE CIVIL HERE IN THIS HEAVY DISCUSSION BUT EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR VOTE, THEIR FIVE VOTES BUT ALSO EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE ENTITLED, IN MY

OPINION, TO BE HEARD. >> MAKE A SECOND ON A MOTION, IT

OPENS IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THERE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.

SO WHAT I WILL SAY IS I CAN APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT COMMISSIONER DZ HAS BROUGHT TO US BECAUSE -- MADAM MAYOR, YOU STARTED US DOWN THIS PATHWAY. THERE NEEDS TO BE A PROCESS OF WHICH WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A RADICAL CANDID CONVERSATION WITH OUR OFFICERS, THREE THAT REPORT TO US, AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. SO I CAN APPRECIATE THAT.

I THINK THAT IF ANYTHING, YOU'VE ALSO ILLUSTRATED THAT WE HAVE UNTIL JUNE THE 12TH UP UNTIL THAT, SO THAT MEANS TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE A GREAT CONVERSATION AND IT GIVES US A LITTLE MORE TIME TO TAKE ANY TYPE OF ACTION OF WHICH WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW WHICH I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK WE ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CALL FOR DOING THINGS DIFFERENT AND HAVING THAT PROCESS OF HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH OUR THREE OFFICERS IN A WAY THAT IS NOT SURPRISING OR BLIND SIDING, IF THERE ARE ISSUES THEY NEED TO COME UP IN THOSE MEETINGS WITH THOSE RESPECTIVE OFFICERS SO THAT THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE STAND AND I CO-SIGNED THAT. THAT'S GOING TO BE MY MOVING ORDERS GOING FORWARD. SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING I WANT TO PUT ON THE AGENDA. I THINK ALSO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE PASS THE BY THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY TO LOOK AT THE LEADERSHIP THAT LEADS OUR CITY AND EVALUATE THEM AND HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE IN THEIR RESPECTIVE ROLES WHEN IT COMES TO WORK WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO.

IN THAT CONVERSATION, THAT CONVERSATION SHOULD BE WITH THEM ONE-ON-ONE, ILLUSTRATING WHETHER THEY'VE SUCCESSFULLY DONE THAT ROLE OR WHERE WE'RE HAVING GREAT CHALLENGE WITH THAT PARTICULAR ACTIONS THEY'VE TAKEN. I THINK THAT'S COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, WHERE WE HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THOSE THREE OFFICERS TO LET THEM KNOW WHERE THEY STAND WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT. I THINK THAT -- I'M NOT SAYING PERSONALITIES OR THIS BUT IT'S CLEAR TO ME WHAT ROLES ARE, WHAT ROLES SHOULD BE DONE AND WHERE THEY ARE AND WHEN IT COMES TO LEADERSHIP, YES, IT'S ABOUT BEING TOUGH BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE PARTIES THAT THEY LEAD AND THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY LEAD. AND ULTIMATELY, WHEN YOU MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT LEADERSHIP, LEADERSHIP IS CLEARLY NOT ON THAT INDIVIDUAL BUT IT'S THEIR IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE AND THE ORGANIZATION THAT THEY HAVE. AND ULTIMATELY, WHEN WE EVALUATE LEADERSHIP IN MY BOOK, IT COMES DOWN TO TRUST.

BECAUSE THAT TRUST IS INSTILLED IN US AS ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THIS CITY THAT THEY ELECT US TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THEIR

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FINANCES, TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE RESOURCES OF THIS CITY AND THAT WE MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT WILL MOVE THE CITY FORWARD THROUGH THE THREE PEOPLE THAT WE EMPLOY.

AND I THINK I'M CHALLENGING US TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THEIR LEADERSHIP OF THEIR RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENTS. YES, I AGREE THAT THERE WILL BE SOME AREAS THAT HAVE OVERLAPPED, BLEEDING OVER AND GOTTEN INTO AREAS AND I DON'T QUITE KNOW HOW TO APPROACH THAT SIMPLY FOR THE REASON BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE OTHER PENDING SURROUNDINGS AROUND THAT. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE. BUT I I DO OWE IT TO SARA AND LINDA AND RICHARD TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ONE-ON-ONE SO THEY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT I'M COMING FROM WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR RESPECTIVE ROLES IN THIS CITY.

THAT'S WHAT I PLAN TO DO. >> SINCE THIS HAS COME UP, THIS WHOLE ISSUE, AND THANK YOU FOR READING WHAT YOU READ, AND ADDRESSING MY CONCERNS. I HAVE TALKED TO SEVERAL EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, AND IT'S ONE THING TO BE A STRONG ADVOCATE, BUT WHEN THE CITY EMPLOYEES DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH SOMEONE, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

NOW, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO SIT DOWN AND SPEAK TO MS. HEDGES. I'VE BEEN GONE.

SHE WAS GONE. AND I DID INDICATE TO HER TODAY THAT SINCE LAST WEDNESDAY, I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS AND SEVERAL CONCERNS. AND THEY ARE REALLY REALLY BOTHERING ME. BECAUSE I WASN'T AWARE BUT I HAVE NOT BECOME AWARE. SO THAT'S WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW.

SO IF THE MOTION IS STILL ON THE FLOOR, I WILL VOTE ACCORDINGLY TO MY CONVICTION AND IS WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY? >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS A RECENT STATEMENT -- NO, I DO NOT HAVE A PERSONAL ISSUE HERE -- WHAT I AM DOING IS DISCUSSING INSTITUTIONAL STRUCTURE AND AUTHORITY. IN FACT, I HAVE INTENTIONALLY AVOIDED MAKING ACCUSATIONS REGARDING INTENT OR MISCONDUCT.

MY CONCERN IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN OPERATIONAL INTERPRETATION OF THE ROLE UNDER THE CHARTER. AND AS IMPORTANTLY, THE CHARTER STRUCTURE, GOVERNANCE, OPERATIONAL BOUNDARIES, INSTITUTIONAL CLARITY AND PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY IN WHAT I BROUGHT FORWARD. I HAVE BROUGHT NOTHING FORWARD TO SPEAK ABOUT PROS AND CONS OF A WORK PRODUCT.

WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT IS THE CHARTER.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACTS THAT HAS A NINETY-DAY RENEWAL PROCESS THAT HAS NOT BEEN DELIVERED TO ANY OF US THAT I KNOW OF AND NO CONVERSATION ABOUT HAVING THAT DISCUSSION PRIOR TO THE -- WHAT IS NOW THE JUNE 12TH AUTOMATIC RENEWAL. SO THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION TO A FOUNDATIONAL STRUCTURAL FAILURE THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED IN THIS PROCESS. AND THE ONLY REASON -- THE ONLY WAY I WOULD HAVE FOUND THAT WAS WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SUNRISE THEATER CONTRACT AND IT HAD 120-DAY RENEWAL CLAUSE, THAT STRUCK ME. SO I WENT BACK AND I LOOKED AT THE TIME THE CITY ATTORNEY'S CONTRACT, AND WHEN I DID THE MATH, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, MS. COX, I WAS OFF BY TEN DAYS.

THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTION. BUT IT STILL MADE IT IMPORTANT THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO DISCUSSION ABOUT FOR US ABOUT PERFORMANCE. I SAW NO PERFORMANCE REVIEWS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION OF PERFORMANCE REVIEWS OF ANY OF THE CHARTER OFFICERS.

AND WHEN WE, AS A CITY, ARE STRUGGLING AT EVERY TURN, AND IT'S CLEAR, THE CITIZENS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON -- THE PRESS IS

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GOING TO HAVE THEIR SAY SO. BUT IT'S UP TO DO FIX THE FOUNDATIONAL ISSUES AND THEY ALL START IN THE CHARTER.

AND IF WE'RE ALREADY BLURRING THE LINES OF CHARTER AUTHORITY AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANYBODY UP HERE HAD THAT PROCESS.

YOU MAY JUST HAVE INHERITED A PROCESS THAT WAS JUST THE WAY OF DOING BUSINESS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

SO BECAUSE I'M NEW HERE, BECAUSE I HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF EYES, A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE, EVERY DAY THAT I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THE 107 DAYS NOW, I'M SEEING THINGS VERY DIFFERENTLY.

I'M A FUNCTIONAL, OPERATIONAL GOVERNANCE INDIVIDUAL.

I WAS THAT WAY IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE.

AND I CHOSE AND CHOOSE TO BE THAT WAY HERE.

YOU ARE GREAT LEADERS. AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS POINT OUT THINGS THAT MAY JUST BE NOT FAMILIAR OR JUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THIS IS THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT.

I'M SEEING THINGS DIFFERENTLY. I'M POINTING THEM OUT TO YOU TO BE POSITIVE, NOT TO BE DEROGATORY IN ANY WAY.

IT'S JUST TO FIX THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE SO WE CAN COME OUT OF THIS A BETTER COMMISSION. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

IF YOU WANT TO CALL THE VOTE. >> MAY I SPEAK AGAIN.

SO THE REVIEWS ARE SCHEDULED. THE DAY MEETING IN JUNE.

I THINK MS. COX TOLD US THAT AT THE LAST MEETING.

JUNE 8TH. THE REVIEWS ARE SCHEDULED ANNUALLY IN JUNE. SO TO SAY THAT THERE'S NO PROCESS TO HAVE ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION IS NOT TRUE BUT PERHAPS YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT. AND YOU'RE ADMITTING YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT. TO SAY THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A NINETY-DAY RENEWAL WHICH IS A STANDARD THING IN A CONTRACT AND THEN THERE'S CONTRACTS FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN THIS CITY.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMISSION AND MR. CHESS, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON IN TERMS OF THE CONTRACTS, WHAT'S IN THEM, SO THAT THE COMMISSION KNOWS WHAT'S IN THEM, WHEN THEY'RE DUE, THE CONTRACT -- WE KNOW SOME OF THE CONTRACTS BUT WE DON'T KNOW ALL OF THEM. THAT'S A LIST THAT'S BEING PRODUCED. AND HAS BEEN PRODUCED.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING MANAGEMENT -- SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING IS TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE CHARTER BUT WE'RE NOT QUOTING THE CHARTER AND THE CHARTER IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE COMMISSION STAYS OUT OF MANAGERIAL DUTIES THE COMMISSION DOESN'T GIVE ORDERS TO CITY EMPLOYEES. ONE OF US CAN'T TELL MR. CHESS, MS. HEDGES OR MS. COX WHAT TO DO.

IT TAKES A VOTE OF THREE. MAYBE THE PUBLIC DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER. SO I THINK MAYBE THINGS WERE DIFFERENT WHERE YOU USED TO WORK AND MAYBE THINGS WERE -- I'M NOT SURE YOU EVEN HAD A CHARTER TO GO BY.

I DON'T KNOW. SO READING THE CHARTER AND TALKING ABOUT THE CHARTER, YOU'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IT BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY QUOTE FROM IT AND IT TELLS THE DUTIES.

IT SAYS AT ONE POINT ABOUT THE MEETINGS THAT THE CITY CLERK, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY MANAGER ALL CAN DISCUSS EQUALLY IN OUR MEETINGS. THEY'RE EQUAL IN OUR MEETINGS.

BRING INFORMATION TO US. THEY CANNOT VOTE.

BUT THEY ARE EQUAL. SO MAYBE IT MIGHT JUST BEHOOVE US ALL TO READ THE CHARTER AGAIN AND QUOTE THE CHARTER INSTEAD OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH CONCEPTS THAT COME FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE TO TELL US -- I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE HAVE IS A NATURAL TENSION BETWEEN A CITY MANAGER AND A CITY ATTORNEY.

THIS IS TRUE IN EVERY CITY BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER WANTS TO GET THINGS DONE AND WE SAY, GREAT.

WE WANT YOU TO GET THINGS DONE. THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYS, WAIT A SECOND. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY. WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY.

SO IT'S A NATURAL TENSION. >> WOW.

>> I TURNED ON YOUR SIRI, I THINK.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF THIS -- THAT THIS IS -- THESE BLURRED LINES ARE NOT ANYTHING NEW.

THEY HAPPEN FROM TIME TO TIME. AND EACH OF THE CHARTER OFFICERS

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IS KIND OF A CHECK AND BALANCE ON THE OTHER CHARTER OFFICER.

THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO MAKE THINGS AND DO THINGS RIGHT.

>> MR. CHAIR, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE.

SO I HEAR YOU, BUT I'VE BEEN HERE FOR FIVE YEARS AND SO I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS. AND WHAT I CAN APPRECIATE OF WHERE WE ARE NOW IS THAT WE HAVE NEVER HAD THAT CONVERSATION, THOSE TOUGH CONVERSATIONS. NOR WAS IT EVEN ILLUSTRATED HOW TO EVEN GO ABOUT THAT. SO THERE ALWAYS NEEDS TO BE FEEDBACK, CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK, AND WE NEED TO FORMALIZE A WAY AND WHAT I HEAR MY COLLEAGUE ATTEMPTING TO SAY AND WHAT I'M SPREPTING HIM TO SAY IS THAT WHERE DOES THAT HAPPEN? THE LAST TIME WE DID EVALUATIONS HERE, EVEN WITH MR. CHESS RECENTLY, WE KIND OF GAVE SOME ACCOLADES.

WE ALL HAVE FEEDBACK FOR OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS.

WHAT CAN BE DONE BETTER? WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY, WHAT WE'RE HEARING TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK SO THAT THEY ARE BETTER LEADERS OF THE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE CHAMPIONING TO LEAD. WHILE I CAN RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF THEM, THEY TAKE THE DIRECTION FROM THE FIVE OF US. WE MAKE A DECISION AT ANY THREE OR ANY FOUR OR FIVE CAN MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THAT CONTINUED RELATIONSHIP ABOUT HOW THEY MOVE FORWARD.

HOW DO THEY EVALUATE THAT? WHAT I TRY TO HEAR MY COLLEAGUE IS ATTEMPTING TO SAY IS HOW DO WE EVALUATE OUR CONSTITUTION OFFICERS? I THINK IT'S A GREAT HR CHALLENGE. I'M LOOKING FOR MY HR DIRECTOR PAUSE ONE THING ABOUT LEADERSHIP THAT HAS TO BE EVALUATED AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO COME UP HERE, ABOUT AN ABOUT YOU WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT EVALUATION PERIOD NEEDS TO HAVE A STATED SET OF OBJECTIONABLE, NOT SUBJECTIVE, WAYS OF APPROACHING IT.

AND WHEN I SIT DOWN AND HAVE MY CONVERSATION, THIS WEEK, I'M GOING TO HAVE OBJECTIONABLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. AND I'LL LAY THAT OUT AND GO FROM THERE SO SHE'LL UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE I'M AT.

I'LL DO IT WITH MR. CHESS AND MS. COX.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE PEOPLE ELECTED ME TO DO.

SO AS FAR AS -- IT'S NOT -- IT'S JUST BUSINESS FOR ME.

IT'S BUSINESS AND MY EVALUATION OF YOU LEADING YOUR TEAM AND LEADING THE CITY AND MAKING THE RIGHT DECISIONS AS A LEADER.

>> I DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ISSUE AND IT'S NOT BEING CONSIDERED PERSONAL ATTACKS, ET CETERA. I HAVE HEARD FROM THIS DIAS ATTACKS MADE AGAINST THE CITY MANAGER FOR ACTIONS SHE'S BEING ACCUSED OF TAKING THAT SHE NEVER TOOK.

SO WHY -- CURTIS, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IS SAYING HE'S GOING TO TRIL INTO THESE QUESTIONS AT HIS ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS THIS WEEK.

I INTEND TO DO THE SAME THING BECAUSE THE INFORMATION AND THE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO ASK ARE RELATIVE TO SOMEBODY'S NOT TELLING THE TRUTH HERE. AGAIN WE NEED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS BECAUSE THE ATTACKS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE, EVERYBODY IN CITY HALL KNOWS WHAT SHE'S BEING ACCUSED OF AND SHE'S NEVER, EVER DONE IT. THAT'S THE UNIQUE PART OF THIS.

SO I CHALLENGE YOU TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS THIS WEEK.

>> I WILL, COMMISSIONER. BE CAREFUL.

THAT'S YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON YOUR CONVERSATION WITH HER.

YOU'RE NOT IN MY CONVERSATION WITH MS. HEDGES OR MS. COX OR

MR. CHESS. >> UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHAT

YOU'RE SAYING. >> VERY WELL.

WHEN THEY COULD CALL ME ONE-OFF, WHICH THEY TO, SITUATIONS GOING ON TO ADVISE ME, THIS HAS HAPPENED, THAT'S HAPPENED, THAT'S A ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION BETWEEN ME AND THAT PARTICULAR PERSON. SO INAUTO WHAT I HEARD ON THE

PHONE. >> I AGREE WITH YOU.

I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. I'M JUST SUGGESTING TO YOU IS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THE PERSONAL STUFF OUT OF THIS AND THE ACCUSATIONS OUT OF THIS AND ASK THE QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO ASK. I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTIONS I WANT TO ASK. AND THAT'S HOW WE'LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS. NOT THROUGH SOME PUBLIC SPECTACLE OF BURNING HER IN EFFIGY BECAUSE WE DON'T AGREE WITH HER LEGAL METHODOLOGY OF DEALING WITH HER DEPARTMENT.

I DON'T SEE THE NEGATIVES THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED HERE.

I CONSIDER HER TO BE APPEAR EXTREMELY GOOD ADMINISTRATOR FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF IS SHE A DIFFICULT OR A TOUGH BOSS? I BELIEVE SHE WOULD BE A TOUGH BOSS.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE NEEDS.

WE NEED PEOPLE IN THESE POSITIONS THAT ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THE CHARTER DIRECTS THEM TO DO, WHAT THEY'RE TRAINED TO DO AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING THEM TO DO AS OUR THREE EMPLOYEES THAT

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WE HAVE CONTROL AND INPUT OVER. LET'S QUALIFY THIS THE CORRECT WAY. IS THAT THIS IS A VOTE OF CONFIDENCE OR NO CONFIDENCE IN THE CITY.

IS THIS A QUESTION OF RELATIVE TO IS SHE NOT PERFORMING HER FUNCTIONS PROPERLY AND WITH THE CODE OF ETHICS OF THE BAR ASSOCIATION AND HER GIVING PROPER INFORMATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION? BECAUSE WE ARE HER CLIENT.

IS THE CITY COMMISSION. IN SOME CAPACITY.

THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE, RIGHT.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL HERE WITH -- THIS IS GOING TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF A PERSONAL ATTACK, VENDETTA AND HEATS JUST SHIT CAN HER BECAUSE WE WANT SOMEBODY ELSE.

WE DON'T LIKE THE JOB SHE'S DOING.

OR IS THIS A MATTER OF TRULY DOING AN INVESTIGATIVE JOB THAT THIS COMMISSION IS CHARGED WITH DOING.

THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND OUT WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED, WHY IT'S TRANSPIRED AND WHO IS INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT ENDING DOWN AT THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE DIAS HERE.

THIS INCORPORATES A LOT MORE THAN THAT.

I INTEND TO ASK THOSE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS WHEN I HAVE MY ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO COVER ALL

THAT TERRITORY. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL BE HERE ALL NIGHT MAKING SPEECHES.

HOLD ON. HOLD ON.

THERE IS A -- I LET EVERYBODY TALK.

THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT THINGS NOW SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOTION WAS.

>> I CAN REPEAT IT IF YOU NEED ME TO.

>> THE MOTION WAS TO EXERCISE THE OPTION TO RENEW IN MS. HEDGES' CONTRACT FOR WHATEVER THAT TERM OF ADDITIONAL EMPLOYMENT IS. IS IT A YEAR?

>> IT RENEWS YEAR TO YEAR. >> IT'S ANNUAL.

IT'S A TWELVE-MONTH RENEWAL. WITH A THIRTY-DAY TERMINATION PROVISION? I DISAGREE WITH THE PERSPECTIVE THAT THIS IS A -- THIS IS A THIRTY-DAY CONTRACT, GUYS.

WE CAN TERMINATE THIS CONTRACT ON THIRTY DAYS' NOTICE.

>> I THINK IT'S NINETY. >> THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTION.

HAVING SAID THAT, CBCER >> TECHNICALLY YOU CAN TERMINATE

ME IMMEDIATELY. >> WITHOUT COST.

SO I DON'T GET HUNG UP ON THESE NINETY-DAY TERMS, TIMELINES, ET CETERA. BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE A VOTE RIGHT NOW AND SHE TAKES HER BRIEF CASE AND WALKS OUT THE DOOR. SO THAT IS THE EXTENT OF THE CONTRACT AS FAR AS TERM IS CONCERNED FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

I'VE DEALT WITH CONTRACTS WITH TERM MY ENTIRE CAREER.

THIS IS WHAT WE FOCUS ON IN MY JOB IS TERM ET CETERA.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, CHAIRMAN.

AND THERE'S A SECOND ON THAT MOTION.

I'M GO TO GO SUGGEST THAT WE CALL THE ROLL.

>> FOR CLARIFICATION. WE HEAR THAT THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE CHARTER ARE CO-EQUAL CHARTER OFFICERS.

I AGREE THE CHARTER OFFICERS ARE CO-EQUAL IN STATUS.

BUT CO-EQUAL STATUS DOES NOT MEAN THE SAME AS OVERLAPPING AUTHORITY. THAT'S IMPORTANT HERE.

THE CHARTER STILL ASSIGNS DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITY TO EACH OFFICE. MY MAIN CONCERN IS MAINTAINING THESE EXTINCTIONS. AT A MINIMUM, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION SHOULD AVOID BEING FORCED INTO AUTOMATIC DECISION TONIGHT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL TIME FOR DELIBERATE REVIEW AND EVALUATION. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL -- I'M TALKING ABOUT A CONTRACT, I'M TALKING ABOUT SEPARATION OF DUTIES, AUTHORITY, ROLES, AND AUTHORITY. THAT'S THE IMPORTANT ONE THERE.

SO I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRACT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CHARTER.

AND THE PROCESS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO RENEW WITH THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT. WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND NOT RENEW TONIGHT AND THE CONTRACT STAYS IN PLACE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 10TH AND NOW WE HAVE NINETY DAYS TO BE FLEXIBLE, TO REVIEW, TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR STAFF, HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH HR, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH SARA TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ELEMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER ABOUT THE REMAINING NINETY DAYS. YOU HAVE FLEXIBILITY TONIGHT TO JUST MOVE FORWARD GIVING NOTICE, HAS TO BE IN WRITING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RENEW THIS CONTRACT TONIGHT OR BEFORE JUNE 2ND MEETING BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR LAST CHANCE AND YOU HAVE THEN FLEXIBILITY TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CHARTER, TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE IN THE RENEWAL PROCESS, TO DEVELOP AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESTREW VIEW THESE TYPES OF CONTRACTS.

ESPECIALLY THE CHARTER OFFICERS. WE ONLY HAVE THREE PEOPLE THAT WE EMPLOY AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS TONIGHT.

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WE DON'T HAVE SAY-SO ABOUT ANY DIRECTOR, ANY OTHER EMPLOYEE, PUBLIC WORKS, ET CETERA. BUT OUR ISSUES ARE FOUNDATIONAL.

THEY'RE STRUCTURAL. AND THEY'RE ALL IN THE CITY CHARTER. AND THERE'S A SUPREME COURT CASE, FLORIDA SUPREME COURT SAYS, THAT SUPPORTS THAT THERE'S SEPARATION OF POWERS, AUTHORITY AND PROCESS.

EVEN IF THEY ARE CO-EQUAL CHARTER OFFICERS.

WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THAT. THAT'S A LARGE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. SO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL, HER WORK PRODUCT, ET CETERA.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRACT, THE RENEWAL PROVISIONS AND THAT WHICH IS IN THE CHARTER. I'M TRYING TO GET US TO A FOUNDATIONAL PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND IT DOESN'T TERMINATE ISSUES. IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING MORE THAN GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE NEXT NINETY DAYS BEFORE THE SEPTEMBER 10TH CONTRACT COMPONENT IS UP.

YOU CAN RENEGOTIATE. YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT.

YOU CAN -- THERE'S A LOT MORE OPTIONS THERE.

BT IF WE DON'T GIVE NOTICE -- >> WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT

TONIGHT. >> I'M MAKING MY ARGUMENTS BECAUSE HERE'S ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO DEAL WITH THIS. THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.

INSTEAD OF JUST ARBITRARILY MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RENEWAL PROCESS. EVEN THREE WE HAVE UNTIL THE

12TH. >> I'VE HEARD EVERYTHING.

I'VE HEARD EVERYTHING EVERYBODY SAID.

THERE WAS A MOTION PLACED ON THE FLOOR.

IT WAS SECOND. I ALLOWED COMMENTS.

SO THE MOTION NEEDS TO BE VOTED ON AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM

THERE. >> CALL THE QUESTION.

>> MADAM CLERK, COMMISSIONERS ARE ASKING THAT YOU RESTATE THE

MOTION. >> PERMISSION TO RENEW SARA

HEDGES' CONTRACT FOR ONE YEAR. >> MADAM CLERK, CALL ROLL, PLEASE.

>> THERE YOU GO, MAYOR. MS. HEDGES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO

SAY ANYTHING? >> MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE A LOT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY BUT OUR FIX THE RULES DO NOT ALLOW ME TO SAY A LOT OF THINGS. WE HAVE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGES AND CONFIDENTIALITY ISSUES.

THOSE THINGS WOULD REQUIRE WAIVERS FROM THIS COMMISSION AND QUITE HONESTLY, I WOULD ADVISE YOU AGAINST WAIVING THOSE BECAUSE THEY CAN OPEN UP ISSUES THAT YOU DO NOT WANT OPENED UP IN A PUBLIC FORUM. SO I AM RESTRICTED BY WHAT I CAN

SAY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> NOW THIS VOTE HAS FAILED ON 3-2 VOTE, WE HAVE NO CLEAR PATHWAY THAT WE'RE MOVING DOWN HERE.

I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A PATHWAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MOVING FORWARD ON THIS MATTER.

BECAUSE IN ESSENCE RIGHT NOW BY NOT RENEWING HER CONTRACT, HER CONTRACT AUTOMATICALLY TERMINATES.

>> UNTIL SEPTEMBER 10TH. >> I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THE DATE. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S AN AUTOMATIC -- IF NO FURTHER ACTION IS TAKEN ON THIS, SHE'S DONE AS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE AT THE END OF THE CONTRACT.

>> WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS DONE IS SEND A SIGNAL TO MS. HEDGES

HER EMPLOYMENT IS IN JEOPARDY. >> THAT SHE'S NOT WANTED HERE.

>> SO IN REALITY, TO WALK IN THIS OFFICE TOMORROW KNOWING THAT THREE COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT WILLING TO RENEW HER TONIGHT, AND NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO CHANGE IN JUNE, IS, IN MY OPINION, CASTS US INTO CHAOS AND CREATED UNCERTAINTY AND MORALE PROBLEMS FOR ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES.

SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME CLEAR DIRECTION WHAT THIS COMMISSION IS WILLING TO VOTE FOR GOING FORWARD BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NEED A CITY ATTORNEY. WE NEED ONE BADLY.

WE NEED A CITY ATTORNEYS OFFICE THAT FUNCTIONS.

AND WE NEEDED STABILITY AND WE HAD STABILITY AND SO NOW I NEED TO HEAR FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT YOU'VE GOT A

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PLAN. >> MADAM MAYOR.

IN ORDER TO STAY IN AN APPROPRIATE PLACE IN MY STATEMENTS, I'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR, I PUT EVERYTHING ON PAPER SO I DON'T GO OUTSIDE THOSE BOUNDS AND RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THE CURRENT GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE AND OPERATIONAL RELATIONSHIPS HAVE, OVER TIME, BECOME INCREASINGLY CLEAR INSTITUTIONALLY. I BELIEVE THE CITY WOULD BENEFIT FROM A RESET THAT RESTORES CLARITY OF ROLES, STRENGTHENS OVERSIGHT AND IMPROVES ORGANIZATIONAL CONFIDENCE AND ENSURES CHARTER OFFICER AGREEMENTS ARE MANAGED THROUGH DELIBERATE GOVERNANCE. I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT PROVIDING NOTICE OF NONRENEWAL DOES NOT PERMANENTLY FORECLOSE FUTURE DISCUSSIONS OR FUTURE CONTRACTUAL CONSIDERATIONS BY THIS COMMISSION. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO HEAR. WHAT IT DOES DO IS PRESERVE THE COMMISSION'S FLEXIBILITY AND PREVENT AUTOMATIC CONTRACTUAL RENEWAL BEFORE THE COMMISSION HAS HAD SUFFICIENT OPPORTUNITY TO DELIBERATE RENEW AND REEE VALUATE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING THAT WE CAN DO.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY. IT ALSO PROVIDES A COMMISSION TIME TO ASSESS THE LONG-TERM NEEDS OF THE POSITION AND DETERMINE WHETHER BROADER RECRUITMENT, RENEGOTIATION OR FUTURE OPTIONS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BEFORE ENTERING INTO ANOTHER LONG-TERM CONTRACTUAL COMMITMENT.

IN MY VIEW, PRESERVING THE FLEXIBILITY AND MAINTAINING THE ALTERNATIVE OF THE AFFIRMATIVE COMMISSION OVERSIGHT IS MORE RESPONSIBLE GOVERNANCE AND IF AT SOME POINT THE COMMISSION ULTIMATELY CHOOSES TO REVISIT OR RENEGOTIATE A FUTURE AGREEMENT, IT WOULD STRONG -- I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT ANY FUTURE CONTRACT MORE CLEARLY REINFORCE THE CHARTER'S INTENDED DIVISIONS AND AUTHORITY AND OPERATIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES OF GOVERNANCE, BOUNDARIES REMAIN WELL DEFINED.

IN REVIEWING STATE STATUTE AND ATTORNEY-GENERAL OPINIONS, IT SUPPORTS THE POSITION THAT THEY ARE CO-EQUAL CHARTER MEMBERS.

BUT THEIR AUTHORITY IS DIFFERENT.

SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST NOW IS TO MOVE FORWARD -- I MAKE A MOTION -- UNLESS THERE'S OTHER CONVERSATION -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE NOT RENEW THE CONTRACT TONIGHT, CONTRACT STILL MOVES FORWARD FOR THE NEXT NINETY DAYS, IT GIVES THIS COMMISSION, HR AN OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER REVIEW OR PUT OUT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANOTHER ATTORNEY AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROVISION THAT SAYS AUTOMATIC CHARTER OFFICERS' CONTRACTS NOT BE AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED WITHOUT THE COMMISSION HAVING OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE PERFORMANCE OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND TO DO IT IN THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION IN ADVANCE -- WELL IN ADVANCE OF WHAT WOULD BE IN THIS CASE A NINETY-DAY RENEWAL CONTRACT. THAT IS MY MOTION.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? SO IT DIES FOR LACK OF SECOND.

>> SO HERE'S WHERE I'M AT. YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM YOUR COMMISSIONERS OF WHAT ARE WE DOING. WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER.

I FEEL SHORT CIRCUITED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE WORKING TOWARDS HAVING THAT ACTUAL EVALUATION ON THE 8TH.

BUT THAT WAS FORCED TONIGHT BY PUTTING THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

THAT WAS SECONDED WHICH FORCED AN ACTUAL VOTE.

I FEEL SHORT CIRCUITED BECAUSE I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE AN OBJECTIONABLE CONVERSATION TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, CITY CLERK OR THE CITY MANAGER.

SO MY DECISION WAS RENDERED BASED ON WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT.

AND WHAT WAS PUT ON THE FLOOR THAT I COULDN'T ABSTAIN FROM AND I HAD TO VOTE. AND WE CLEARLY HAVE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE STRUCTURE AND HOW WE WORK WITH OUR THREE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITIZENS OF FORT PIERCE. THIS IS THE TOUGH PART OF RUNNING FORT PIERCE. IT'S TOUGH.

I DO BELIEVE THAT WE WILL REMAIN CIVIL.

WE WILL EXUDE THE COURAGE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS.

WE'VE MADE ONE HERE TONIGHT. THAT'S GOING TO FORCE US TO HAVE A TOUGH CONVERSATION AMONGST OURSELVES.

SO DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO MAKE A VOTE TONIGHT.

I WAS HOPING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH MS. HEDGES AND

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HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ON THE 8TH BUT WE HAVE VOTED NOW.

>> COULD I JUST -- I WANT TO MAKE A CLOSING COMMENT AND I'LL BE DONE WITH THE CONVERSATION ON THIS.

IS THAT THE CHARTER OFFICER REVIEWS ARE JUNE 8TH? TODAY IS WHAT, THE 18TH? WE'VE GOT TWENTY DAYS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. I'M GOING TO BE CANDID WITH YOU.

I'M GOING TO BE QUITE SURPRISED IF WE HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY SITTING OVER THERE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH ON JUNE 8TH.

WE JUST GAVE HER A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE THAT SHE'S NOT WANTED BY THIS COMMISSION SO HAVING SAID THAT, I CAN ASSURE YOU, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR MS. HEDGES, BY THE TIME SHE'S HOME TONIGHT SHE'S ALREADY GOING TO BE MAKING CALLS TO REACH OUT TO CONTACTS IN THE COMMUNITY TO BE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER POSITION. LET'S CALL IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

IF THAT'S THE DESIRED EFFECT, I THINK YOU'LL BE EFFECTIVE IN GETTING THAT DONE. THIS VOTE TONIGHT WILL CERTAINLY AB COMPELLING FACTOR TO NOT HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY SITTING HERE FOR

THAT JUNE 8TH REVIEW. >> I GOT TO RESPOND TO THAT.

A MOTION WAS MADE. IT WAS SECONDED.

I WILL ALLOW COMMENT TO BE HAD AFTER THAT MOTION.

WE SIT HERE AND HEARD COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER GAINES AND SOME OF COMMI COMMISSIONER. I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO HER. NOT ONE TIME IN ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT ANYBODY ASKED FOR THAT MOTION TO BE REMOVED.

WE ASKED FOR TIME TO TALK TO MS. HEDGES.

WE PUT IT ON RECORD THAT I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT STUFF I'VE HEARD INSIDE CITY HALL SINCE THIS HAS ALL COME UP AND I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO MS. HEDGES.

AT NO POINT DID THE MOTION GET THE MAKER OF THE MOTION ASK FOR THE MOTION TO BE REMOVED. THERE WAS A VOTE.

I'M MAD BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DO MY ONE-ON-ONE OF WHAT I'VE HEARD. I HAVE A DUTY TO THE EMPLOYEES OF FORT PIERCE, THE RESIDENTS OF FORT PIERCE AND WHEN I'M HEARING STUFF AND LISTENING TO STUFF AND UNDERSTANDING THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND I WAS NOT GIVEN THE CHANCE TO TALK TO MS. HEDGES, BECAUSE THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO TRY TO FORCE A VOTE, NOW WE'RE IN A PREDICAMENT SAYING, OKAY, WHAT DO WE DO NOW? THE MOTION COULD HAVE BEEN PULLED. WE COULD HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, I HEAR COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER GAINES.

LET THEM GIVE CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH MS. HEDGES OR MS. COX OR CITY MANAGER BUT THAT WASN'T THE CASE.

WE WANTED THIS MOTION TO BE MADE TONIGHT AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. SO NOW WE'RE ALL IN PREDICAMENT.

I AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER. THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO TALK TO MS. HEDGES, AND I SAID IT TONIGHT, I TOLD HER I HAD SOME CONCERNS BUT I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO HER, WAS TAKEN AWAY. I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER JOHNSON FEELS THAT. THE VOTE CAME.

WE NEED TO PUT ALL FIVE OF OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NEXT BECAUSE AGAIN, I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED IF SHE WALKED THROUGH THE DOOR TOMORROW.

IF SHE DOESN'T, THAT'S HER RIGHT.

THAT'S HER RIGHT. LET'S N-- THE MOTION, PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES, SAID THE MAKER OF A MOTION COULD ALWAYS WITHDRAW IT. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

YOU HEARD EVERYBODY ASKING OR SAYING THEY HADN'T TALKED TO MS. HEDGES. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AFTER A VOTE LIKE THIS. WE GOT INTO THE 8TH, UNTIL THE 12TH, UNTIL WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW.

BUT WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD GIVE US THE TIME TO DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW.

THE VOTE IS MADE. IT'S PUBLIC RECORD.

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AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, I DO HAVE A CONTRACT THAT SAYS IF I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU NOTICE, I HAVE TO GIVE YOU NINETY DAYS' NOTICE.

EVEN IF I WALKED IN TOMORROW AND GAVE YOU MY NOTICE, I WOULD STILL BE HERE FOR NINETY DAYS. I'LL BE HERE JUNE 8TH.

I WILL BE HERE. I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S AND COMMISSIONER GAINES' COMMENTARY THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH ME.

THE REVIEW IS SET FOR JUNE 8TH. A LITTLE BIT WEIRD TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU TABLE THIS DISCUSSION UNTIL THEN BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ME BUT IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO ME THAT YOU'RE COMING TO A UNANIMOUS RESOLUTION TONIGHT.

SO TO SAVE US AN OF US FROM BEING HERE FOR THE NEXT UMPTEENTH HOURS, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO RESET THIS TO THE 8TH WHEN THAT REVIEW IS SET. I CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMISSIONERS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN THE MEANTIME. AND I WILL STILL BE WORKING

UNTIL THEN. >> CAN'T ASK MORE THAN THAT.

>> IN THIS INSTANCE, HAVING MS. HEDGES GIVE US THE RECOMMENDED COURSE OF ACTION SEEMS TO BE A BIT ODD.

BUT I DO AGREE WITH HER CONCLUSIONS.

IF SHE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND SHE'S ASSURED US SHE'S GOING TO BE HERE UNTIL JUNE 8TH. THIS CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE MOVED TO THE PROPERLY CALENDERED DAY AND TIME THAT THIS I SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE. AND COMMISSIONER GAINES, I CLEARLY I AM OF THE FRAME OF MIND THAT I WANT ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO BE ENGAGING WITH THE CHARTER OFFICERS AND WHATEVER CONVERSATIONS THEY NEED TO HAVE.

THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN KICKING AROUND CITY HALL NOW FOR SIX WEEKS GIVE OR TAKE. I THINK I'VE TALKED TO MS. HEDGES FOUR OR FIVE TIMES ABOUT ALL OF THIS.

SO GUYS, GET FOCUSED. GET ON IT.

JUNE 8TH WILL BE HERE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT.

LET'S MAKE IT A TRUE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CHARTER BECAUSE, LOOK, IN ANY ORGANIZATION, THE SENIOR PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO HAVE OVERLAP.

IT'S DESIGNED TO HAVE OVERLAP BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE GAPS.

THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE ON IN THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION AND IN THIS CITY, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN EVERYWHERE.

THAT YOUR SENIOR STAFF IS GOING TO HAVE OVERLAP AND DISAGREEMENTS. THAT'S NORMAL BUSINESS.

THAT'S JUST HOW THE WORLD WORKS. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, IF THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT OF THIS NATURE, THE BODY TO DEAL WITH THAT IS THIS BODY. NO MORE INNUENDO KICKING AROUND CITY HALL, NOT ONE-ON-ONE PRIEF MEETINGS TAKING PLACE IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS ABOUT THIS. BECAUSE THAT'S SO MANY DIFFERENT STORIES ROLLING AROUND NOW PERTAINING TO ALL THIS THAT IT'S ALMOST INSANITY. THE CITY CANNOT FUNCTION WITHOUT A PROPERLY SECURED AND SUPPORTED CITY ATTORNEY.

PERIOD. I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY CITY ATTORNEYS HAVE WE BEEN THROUGH SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE?

>> THIS NOTION OF, WELL, SHE'LL BE FIRED.

AND WE'LL GO ON AND HIRE SOMEBODY NEW.

AGAIN, WE RUN INTO THIS TWELVE-MONTH TO 24-MONTH LEARNING CURVE. THE CITY HAS SOME VERY COMPLICATED ISSUES IT'S DEALING WITH CURRENTLY WHICH INVOLVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IN ITS ENTIRETY.

THE COMMISSIONER DOING THE SAME THING.

THIS CITY CANNOT FUNCTION WITHOUT PROPERLY STAFFED LEGAL DEPARTMENT. THIS WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE LAST MANAGEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION, NOT ONE TO DISCUSS ISSUES WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN IN THIS FASHION. WE NEED COOPERATION AND EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION BETWEEN THE CHARTER OFFICERS AND IF THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, THIS ISN'T JUST A REVIEW OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS AND SITUATION.

THIS IS ALL CHARTER OFFICERS CANDIDLY.

YOU NEED TO BE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD.

WHAT I SEE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW ON THAT LEVEL THERE'S A REAL LACK OF COOPERATION AND WILLINGNESS TO WORK JOINTLY FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.

I ALSO WANT TO CAUTION US, COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOU TALKED ABOUT TALKING TO EMPLOYEES. THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST. THIS IS NOT WHAT -- THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TALK TO PEOPLE AND GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER

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IN TERMS OF -- THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS A UNIQUE P SURE EVERYTHING'S RIGHT AND SOMETIMES THE OTHER EMPLOYEES DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY HEAR. AND SOMETIMES -- I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHE'S ALWAYS RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY IS NOT SOMEBODY THAT WE WANT TO RUN A POPULARITY CONTEST. BECAUSE SHE DOES HAVE TO BE FIERCE AND PROTECTIVE AND PROTECT THE CITY COMMISSION AND PROTECT THE CITY AND SAVE TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

AND SO THAT'S HER JOB AND THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO DO AND SOMETIMES SHE STEPS ON TOES TO DO THAT.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'M GOING TO SAY TWO COMMENTS.

ONE BACK TO COMMISSIONER BRODERICK AND THEN I'LL RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENT. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, I HEAR WHAT YOU SAID. AND WHEN COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CHARTER. NOT ONE TIME DID HE BRING UP THE CONTENT OF NO CONFIDENCE OR NOT RENEWING THE CITY ATTORNEY'S CONTRACT. I WOULD ASSUME HE WAS GOING TO DO THAT BUT HE NEVER DID IT. HE SAID SOMETHING.

YOU SAID SOMETHING. AND YOU IMMEDIATELY PUT IT OUT THERE IN A MOTION AND IT WAS SECONDED.

BEFORE I SAID SOMETHING OR CURTIS SAID SOMETHING.

SO LET'S JUST BE CLEAR WHILE WE'RE HERE.

SECOND, MADAM MAYOR, I AGREE WITH YOU.

AND IT'S KIND OF A SLAP IN THE EMPLOYEE'S FACE IF YOU'RE THINKING THAT THEY ARE THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR JOB AND IT'S A POPULARITY CONTEST WHEN IT COMES TO DEALING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. AND AS A SITTING ATTORNEY MYSELF, I DON'T GET INTO POPULARITY CONTESTS.

I GET INTO FACTS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMMISSIONER BRODERICK SAID TONIGHT, SOMEBODY'S NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. A LOT OF PEOPLE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. I'M GOING FIND OUT WHO IT IS.

>> I INTEND TO DO THAT AS WELL. >> HOLD ON.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. SO LET'S NOT REHASH THIS.

IT'S A LONG NIGHT. THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST TO ME. I DON'T GO SEEK ANY INFORMATION FROM ANY CITY EMPLOYEES BUT WHEN THEY COME TO ME AND SAY CERTAIN THINGS TO ME ABOUT CERTAIN PROCEDURES AND CERTAIN STUFF, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

WE HAVE DIRECTORS. WE HAVE MANAGERS.

WE HAVE STAFF WHO SAY YEARS AND YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOING WHAT THEY DO FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

SO TO SAY THAT THEY'RE COMING TO ME BECAUSE IT'S A POPULARITY CONTEST, THAT'S KIND OF -- THAT'S A SLAP IN THE CITY EMPLOYEES' FACES. I'VE SAID ENOUGH.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A BIG ARGUMENT TONIGHT.

THAT'S HOW I FEEL. >> ARE WE TABLING THIS? IS THAT A FORMAL MOTION? COULD YOU DO IT QUICKLY BECAUSE

WE'VE BEAT THIS TO DEATH. >> I NEED TO RETURN TO HOW I STARTED THIS OUT. I NEVER MADE ANY STATEMENT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

I STAYED TO THE CONTRACT. I STAYED TO THE CHARTER.

AND YOU ASKED FOR A CHARTER INFORMATION.

I'M GOING GIVE IT TO YOU. FLORIDA LAW IS CLEAR THAT PUBLIC OFFICIALS HAVE ONLY THE POWERS THAT ARE EXPRESSED GRANTED AND NECESSARILY IMPLIED OR ESTABLISHED IN WHITE VERSUS CRANDALL. THAT'S A SUPREME COURT RULING.

UNDER ARTICLE 8 SECTION 2B OF THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION OUR AUTHORITY IS LIMITED BY OUR CHARTER.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SPEAKING TO. THE CHARTER ESTABLISHES CLEAR RULES. THE CITY MANAGER IS THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OPERATIONAL CITY AFFAIRS. THE CITY ATTORNEY SERVES AS LEGAL ADVISOR AND COUNSEL TO THE CITY.

THE CITY CLERK SERVES AS CUSTODIAN OF RECORDS.

THE ROLES ARE SEPARATED. AND INTENTIONAL.

>> THAT'S NOT READING FROM OUR CHARTER.

>> YES, IT ABSOLUTELY IS. >> SO --

>> I CAN DO A WHOLE SONG AND DANCE.

>> I THINK WE'RE REALLY READY TO --

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. >> WE'RE READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS. DO WE NEED A FORMAL MOTION, MS.

HEDGES? >> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK WHAT THE AGENDA ITEM WAS CALLED AS. ITEM 4.

>> DISCUSSION REGARDING THE RENEWAL OF YOUR CONTRACT.

>> I THINK ON THE MOTION, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED --

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>> POINT OF ORDER. THERE WAS AN AGENDA ITEM.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION. A VOTE WAS FORCED.

WE VOTED 3-2 NOT TO RENEW AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WHERE THIS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA AND THERE WILL BE DULY NOTICE SO WE CAN HAVE IT AT THAT PARTICULAR

TIME. >> IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THIS COMMISSION? OKAY.

[14. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON.

>> THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MS. COX WILL GIVE YOU TEN-SECOND

WARNING. >> MY NAME IS CHARLES WILSON.

I REPRESENT A PUBLIC LIFE COMMITTEE GROUP CALLED -- WHOSE JOB IT IS TO TAKE BACK FORT PIERCE.

YOU ALL ARE GOING A LITTLE BIT TOO FAST.

YOU'RE LEAVING SOMEBODY OUT. I WOULD LIKE TO HAND THESE TO THE CITY CLERK. CHAPTER 166 OF THE FLORIDA STATE STATUTES SAYS THERE'S TWO WAYS TO CHANGE A CHARTER.

THE FACT IS THAT THE IDEA OF HAVING THE CITY MANAGER BE A SUPER CHARTER MEMBER OR SUPER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER TO TAKE OVER THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THEN TAKE OVER THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE SO THAT THEY COULD BE THE CHIEF ELECTIONS OFFICER AND THE CHIEF ATTORNEY IS A POOR IDEA.

OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THREE VOTES THAT ARE GOING TO SUPPORT MR. CHESS AND HIS ATTEMPT TO BECOME A SUPER CHARTER OFFICER.

SO THIS IS FOR WHAT -- 166 GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY THAT CITIZENS MAY ALSO CHANGE THE CHARTER TH GROUP THAT I REPRESENT IS TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOU TO CHANGE THE CHARTER.

AS A RESULT, THE FIRST STEP OF DOING SO IS TO PRESENT THE CITY CLERK WITH A WRITTEN FORM OF A PETITION.

THE CITY CLERK HAS A PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH SHE IS SUPPOSED TO CERTIFY WHETHER THERE IS PROPER FORM OR NOT.