Aug 19, 2026 CRA Advisory Committee

[ FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE CRA Regular Meeting - Wednesday, August 19, 2026 - 3:30 p.m. City Hall - Second Floor Conference Room, 100 North U.S. #1, Fort Pierce, Florida ]

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YEAH, IT'S LIKE WE GET THROUGH THE PLEDGE AND THE MINUTES AND STUFF.

I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE, 330 ON AUGUST 19TH. COULD WE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

ROLL CALL. MR. EDWARD BECK, I AM HERE, MISS DONNA BENTON.

PRESENT. MISS LISA FORBES, I'M HERE. MR.. CHARLIE HAYEK.

MISS JESSICA SAMPSON. MR.. DOUG MILLER HERE, MR..

MURPHY, MR. WESLEY SANDS. DO WE NEED TO EXCUSE CHARLIE AND WESLEY OR CHARLIE CAN BE REQUESTED TO BE EXCUSED. MR. WESLEY SAID HE WAS GOING TO ATTEND.

DO I EXCUSE MR. HAYEK AND WE'LL DEAL WITH WESLEY IF HE DOESN'T SHOW UP AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

MOTION. MOTION SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. NEXT, WE'VE GOT THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 15TH.

AND HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE OR REVISE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I HAVE A SECOND. I WASN'T HERE, SO I'LL SECOND IT.

CAN I DO IT WITH A COMMENT? SURE. SURE. JUST SOME OF THOSE NEW MURALS ARE JUST OUTSTANDING.

THAT'S JUST REALLY NICE TO SEE. AND THEY HAPPENED PRETTY QUICKLY AFTER THIS GOT APPROVED.

THE ONLY ONE I NOTICED IS MRS SHOULD HAVE DONE IT THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND WRAPPED IT.

AND WOULDN'T THAT BE COOL? YEAH, BECAUSE IT LOOKS SO NICE ON CITRUS.

OH, WAIT. HOLD ON. MAYBE NEXT TIME. COMING BACK.

PHASE TWO. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DO HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE.

ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD? MY NAME IS ASHLEY AND I'M THE OWNER OF CYNTHIA'S ALTERATIONS AND MORE.

AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE CONCERNING THE APPLICATION THAT I PUT IN FOR THE FACADE AND THE SIGNED GRANT. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHY I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

SO IF YOU'RE HERE. NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OLD BUSINESS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY. OLD BUSINESS.

NEW BUSINESS. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF.

APPLICATIONS FOR FACADE GRANTS AND A SIGNED GRANT, I WOULD DISCLOSE THAT.

I'VE ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR ALICIA IN REGARD TO TWO OF THESE ITEMS. ONE OF THEM IS OUT ORANGE AVENUE. MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS INVOLVED IN THAT ONE, BUT HE HE'S A HALF OWNER.

I'M NOT HIS ATTORNEY. NEVER BEEN HIS ATTORNEY.

I RECEIVED ANY MONEY FROM HIM. AND THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS TOLD ME THAT I CAN AND SHOULD VOTE ON THAT MATTER.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE, WHICH IS CHRISSY DVORSKY GIBBONS AND VARSITY.

AND SHE'S HE'S A FRIEND. WE'VE HAD DINNER IN ONE ANOTHER'S HOUSES, AND SHE HAS PAID ME MONEY FOR LEGAL SERVICES IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS.

SO SHE'S TOLD ME I NEED TO FILE A CONFLICT FORM WITH THAT STAFF AND THE FORM YET? YES, I THINK WILLIE HAS. I'M GETTING IT. OKAY.

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WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE THIS OR DO WE WISH TO ACCOMMODATE THE CYNTHIA ONE FIRST SINCE SHE'S HERE.

YEAH, I DON'T CARE. I'M JUST. MR. MURPHY SO CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION ON CONFLICT? LIKE, EDDIE, I KNOW VERY WELL AT LEAST TWO FOLKS ON HERE, BUT I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO HIM.

DOES THAT PRESENT A CONFLICT? JUST THE FACT THAT ONE OF THEM WAS A CLIENT OF MINE.

WELL, TWO OF THEM HAVE BEEN. OH, WELL, THAT MAY BE A CONFLICT IF THEY PAID YOU FOR SERVICES.

WELL, SOLD THEM PROPERTIES. THEY MADE MONEY OFF THEM.

YEAH. OKAY. I PROBABLY SHOULD SIGN THAT. I'LL HAVE TO GET TWO FORMS. I'M SORRY FOR HAVING CREATED THAT PROBLEM. THANK YOU.

SO WHICH PROPERTIES ARE. THE VARSITY SPORTS SHOP IS THE ONE WHERE I FELT LIKE 25 ORANGE 222225. YEAH. AND FOR YOU, FOR ME TO BE TWO, TWO, FIVE AND 1921 ORANGE SOLD PROPERTIES.

BOTH THOSE OWNERS. SO I GUESS THE NEXT QUESTION IS IF YOU CAN'T VOTE TO START EFFECT FORUM, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? OH NO. WELL, YOU SHOULD ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY, NOT EDDIE ESQUIRE.

ONCE ONCE THE QUORUM IS ESTABLISHED, I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS IF IT IF IT FALLS OFF.

OKAY. AND YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE. YOU'LL LOSE. PAT MYSELF ON TWO, TWO, FIVE.

BUT DOES THAT FALL BELOW A QUORUM? YOU GET ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR VOTING MEMBERS.

THERE'S A TOTAL OF EIGHT. THAT'S HALF 50%. I'M NOT GOING TO RENDER A LEGAL OPINION.

I DON'T GET PAID ENOUGH MONEY IN HERE. AND IT'S USUALLY JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.

IT'S NOT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD.

I JUST WANTED TO GET THOSE FORMS FOR YOU AND WE'LL GET CLARIFICATION.

OKAY. I'M HAPPY GETTING THE FORMS AT THE END SO WE CAN KEEP GOING.

ALL RIGHT. SO I DIDN'T SEE ANY ANYBODY WANTING TO CHANGE THE AGENDA.

SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE WITH 19021802 AVENUE D DESIGN APPLICATION THAT MIGHT BE SENT TO YOU ANYWAY.

YES. SO COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL SPINE GRANT APPLICATION.

WE RECEIVED ONE FROM MISS CYNTHIA. SO THE INTENT OF THE PROGRAM IS TO ENCOURAGE SMALL BUSINESSES WITHIN THE DISTRICT TO REPLACE THEIR OUTDATED WITH MORE MODERN OR VISUALLY APPEALING SIGNS.

THE PROGRAM IS DESIGNATED DESIGNED TO SUPPORT REVITALIZATION EFFORTS BY HELPING LOCAL BUSINESSES ATTRACT NEW CUSTOMERS, RETAIN EXISTING CUSTOMERS AND CONTRIBUTE TO A MORE VIBRANT AND WELCOMING COMMUNITY ENVIRONMENT.

THIS PROGRAM MEETS BOTH GOAL AND GOAL NINE OF THE PLAN.

SO THE APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE TODAY BEFORE YOU.

FOR COMMERCIAL SCIENTISTS, CYNTHIA'S ALTERATIONS AND MORE.

LOCATED AT 1802 AVENUE D. AS YOU CAN SEE NOW, SHE HAS A PAINTED SIGNS HERE ON ON THE FRONT SIDE AND THE SIDE AND THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. HERE'S SOME CLOSE UP PHOTOS OF THAT.

THE EXISTING SIGNS. AND THIS IS WHAT SHE'S LOOKING TO INSTALL.

IT'LL BE A IT'LL BE TWO DIFFERENT SIGNS FOUR BY FIVE FLAT ALUMINUM COMPOSITE SIGN WITH THE VINYL GRAPHICS.

THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT WE CAN AWARD FOR THIS GRANT IS $5,000 REIMBURSABLE.

AND SHE'S REQUESTING $2,826. THAT WILL COVER THE PRICE OF BOTH OF THESE SIGNS.

SHE DID PROVIDE A PHOTO JUST BEFORE THE MEETING.

SO WE DO HAVE OF WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE SIGN.

YES. I HAD A QUESTION BEFORE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.

THE SIGN COMMERCIAL SIGN GRANT PROGRAM. IS THAT A DIFFERENT POT OF MONEY THAN THE COMMERCIAL FACADE? CORRECT. YES. SO WE SET ASIDE $100,000 FOR THE COMMERCIAL SIGN GRANT PROGRAM.

HOW MUCH OF THAT DO WE HAVE LEFT? WE HAVE PROBABLY ABOUT $90,000.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY FOR THAT ONE.

AND THE COMMERCIAL FACADE IS ALSO A SEPARATE $100,000.

SO FOR YOU, WE WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO REVIEW THE SUBMITTED APPLICATION AND DETERMINE IF YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND THIS APPLICATION TO GO BEFORE THE

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YEAH, THAT WAS PAINTED IN 2017, SO IT HASN'T BEEN PAINTED SINCE THEN.

THE BLUE, THE BLUE, THE BLUE. SHE'S. I'M LOOKING FURTHER DOWN IN OUR AGENDA.

SHE APPLIED FOR THE COMMERCIAL FACADE GRANT. THAT INCLUDES PAYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE FOLLOWING.

YES, YES. I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

THE SIGN BECAUSE IT'S NOT, THERE'S NO MEASUREMENTS THAT THE NEW SIGN WOULD ENTIRELY COVER THAT OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT OLD SIGN PAINTED OVER. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PART OF THE BUILDINGS.

THE PAINT, THE SIGN IS THERE NOW IS PAINTED ONTO THE BUILDING.

YEAH. THE NEW SIGN WOULD BE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING.

SO IT WOULD, BUT IT WOULD COMPLETELY ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN SEE AS THE EXISTING SIGN.

OH YEAH. BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE THAT'S GOING TO BE PAINTED OVER ANYWAY.

SO SO THEY'RE GOING TO PAINT OVER IT AND THEN INSTALL IT IN THE SAME LOCATION.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE. ANYBODY CARE TO MAKE A MOTION OR DISCUSSION.

SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM IS THE 1921 ORANGE AVENUE COMMERCIAL SIDE. WILL YOU DO THAT? SO SHE'S HERE.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO. WE JUST HAVE BOTH OF THEM.

OH. MOVE UP. 1802. YEAH. CAN WE JUST MOVE UP? 1802 FOR HER SAKE. AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO SIT HERE.

EVERYTHING, THE WAY THEY WERE PLACED ON THE AGENDA WERE THE WAY THAT THEY WERE SUBMITTED FOR TO US FOR APPLICATION.

OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING.

DOES ANYBODY DOES ANY COMMITTEE MEMBER HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MOVING ADVANCING ITEM SEVEN F, WHICH IS THE SAME PROBLEM PROPERTY.

WE JUST DEALT WITH ADVANCING IT ON THE AGENDA.

SEEING NOBODY ON THE AGENDA PROCESS THAT ONE PLEASE. GOOD IDEA.

SO I'LL GO THROUGH IT AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL PAUSE AND THEN WE'LL EVALUATE IT.

WE'LL DO A TALLY AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT APPLICATION.

SO I'M NOT SURE THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO WANT TO.

WELL, LET'S ASK THE COMMITTEE RATHER THAN TELLING THE COMMITTEE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. DO WE WANT TO REVIEW ALL OF THE FACADE APPLICATIONS BEFORE WE EVALUATE ONE, OR DO WE WANT TO EVALUATE THEM ONE BY ONE? WHAT DOES THE COMMITTEE WANT TO DO? AS FAR AS HERS IS CONCERNED? I THINK WE EVALUATE HERS. AND THAT WAY, IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION OR ANY QUESTIONS SHE'S AVAILABLE FOR TO ANSWER, IF SHE'D LIKE TO WAIT TILL THE END OF HERS. SHE'S NOT GOING TO KNOW UNTIL WE KNOW, UNTIL WE SEE ALL OF THEM.

BUT SHE'LL KNOW WHAT OUR QUESTIONS ARE. OR. OKAY.

EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? THAT'S MY THOUGHT. SO THE 2026 CONGRESSIONAL GRANT APPLICATIONS.

THE INTENT OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO SIGNIFICANTLY ENHANCE THE APPEARANCE OF BUILDINGS AND ELIMINATE SLUM AND BLIGHT WITHIN OUR DISTRICT.

THE PROGRAM OFFERS FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, AGAIN IN THE FORM OF A REIMBURSABLE GRANT, MATCHING 50% UP TO $50,000.

THE COMMERCIAL GRANT PROCESS. SO TODAY WILL EVALUATE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD.

THE BOARD WILL MAKE THE FINAL DETERMINATION AND EXECUTE THE AGREEMENTS.

THEN THE APPLICANT MUST RECEIVE THE BUILDING PERMITS WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE BOARD APPROVAL.

AT THAT POINT, THE APPLICANT WILL INCUR ALL OF THE PROJECT COSTS.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE ON ALL THE. THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS AND.

THE PROJECT MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF THE BUILDING BUILDING PERMIT ISSUANCE.

ONCE THEY'VE COMPLETED THE PROJECT, THEY'LL SEND US A REQUEST LETTING US KNOW THAT THEY'VE COMPLETED THE PROJECT.

THEY'LL SUBMIT PROOF OF PERMITS IF THEY'VE BEEN CLOSED, COPIES OF INVOICES AND CANCELED CHECKS.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE'LL REQUEST THEIR REIMBURSEMENT AFTER THE PROJECT HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

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EVALUATIONS WILL BE BASED SOLELY ON THE PREDETERMINED CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.

ALL THE SCORES AND COMMENTS BECOME PART OF THE PUBLIC FILE AND ARE CONSIDERED PUBLIC INFORMATION.

THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS MUST APPLY A REASONABLE, RATIONAL AND CONSISTENT BASIS FOR THEIR SCORES.

THE EVALUATION CRITERIA CONSISTS OF FOUR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, WHICH IS VISUAL IMPACT, BLIGHT ELIMINATION, TOTAL PROJECT, INVESTMENT DESIGN AND CREATIVITY, COMMUNITY IMPACT, AND PUBLIC BENEFIT.

SO VISUAL IMPACT WAS ASSIGNED 50 POINTS. THIS IS THE PRODUCT'S ABILITY TO ENHANCE THE VISUAL APPEAL OF THE SPRAY AND SIGNIFICANTLY ELIMINATE WHITE.

IT IMPROVES THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE PUBLIC.

IT ENHANCES ESTHETICS, LEADING TO INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES, TENANT OCCUPANCY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND JOB CREATION. THE TOTAL PROJECT INVESTMENT.

SO ANYTHING OVER 100,001 CENT WILL 25 POINTS, 150 IS 20 POINTS, 50 TO 25 IS 15 POINTS, 25 TO 10 IS TEN POINTS. AND THEN ANYTHING UNDER $10,000 WILL GET FIVE POINTS.

SO THESE DESIGN AND CREATIVITY IS 15 POINTS. SO THIS IS INNOVATIVE AND VISUALLY APPEALING.

FACADES DESIGN THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND SUSTAINABILITY AND LONGEVITY OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.

THE COMMUNITY IMPACT AND PUBLIC BENEFIT IS ASSIGNED TEN POINTS.

SO DOES THE PROJECT IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES? DOES IT GENERATE A MEANINGFUL POSITIVE IMPACT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC? AND THEN LASTLY, ANY PROPERTY THAT IS ON THE ORANGE AVENUE WOULD GET A BONUS OF TEN POINTS.

THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AT OUR LAST ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS PROGRAM BEFORE YOU.

YOU'LL RECEIVE YOUR EVALUATION SHEET. YOU'LL LIST THE DATE, YOUR NAME, I LISTED, THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, TYPE OF BUSINESS, AND THEN THE TOTAL AMOUNT REQUESTED VERSUS THE TOTAL PROJECT INVESTMENT.

SO AT THIS POINT, YOU'LL REVIEW AND EVALUATE THESE COMMERCIAL GRANT APPLICATIONS.

AND WE'LL PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL, DENIAL OR PARTIAL FUNDING FOR TWO OF THE BOARD.

I'M GOING TO SKIP DOWN TO CYNTHIA'S PROPERTY.

SO 1802 AVENUE D, OWNED BY MISS CYNTHIA. BUT CYNTHIA ASHLEY.

SO SHE. HER TOTAL INVESTMENT IS FOR $6,500 AND HER GRANT AMOUNT REQUEST IS FOR 3250.

SHE'S LOOKING TO REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR AND PAINT THE EXTERIOR.

THE BODY OF THE TRIM WILL BE WHITE, AND THEN THE REMAINING PORTION OF THAT BUILDING, THE BLUE BUILDING WILL BE IN THIS HEARTBREAKER COLOR. AND THEN SHE DID SUBMIT THAT IMAGE TO US THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE PAGE SHE JUST PRINTED LIKE A CORAL INSTEAD OF THE THE PINK. BUT YES, IT WILL BE THAT COLOR THAT'LL MATCH HER HER SIGN.

AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE FOR FOR MISS ENVIOUS.

LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT TIME OR YOU WANT ME TO JUST GO TO THE NEXT ONE. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR MISS CYNTHIA.

I NOTICED THAT YOU HAD ON YOUR RENDERING. THE FRONT WINDOW IS CLOSED.

IS THAT A SHUTTER OR SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ADDING, OR DO YOU PLAN TO CLOSE UP THAT FRONT WINDOW? I WANTED TO PUT A STORM SHUTTER THERE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR THE GRANT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DO. I HAD THAT ON THERE, BUT I JUST FOUND OUT IT DIDN'T QUALIFY.

SO THE WINDOW IS AS IT IS ON THE BLUE WITH, YOU KNOW, JUST THE WHEELS.

IT WILL REMAIN A WINDOW THOUGH. IT WILL NOT. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING AS YOU HAVE PROPOSED ON THE THE RENDERING YOU'LL BE ADDING SOME LANDSCAPING AND DRESSING IT UP.

THE PALM TREE IS THERE. BUT YEAH, PUTTING THE LITTLE SHRUBBERY AROUND, YOU KNOW, TO ENHANCE THE CURB APPEAL OF IT.

AND THEN THE COTTONWOOD. WHAT LIKE A BAHAMA SHUTTER STYLE SHUTTER? WOULD THAT FLY AS PART OF A FACADE GRANT IF YOU REVISE.

YEAH. THAT WOULD, THAT MAY BE THE BAHAMAS SHUTTER.

THE ONE THAT COMES DOWN, COME DOWN. YEAH. YEAH.

IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE KIND OF THE SAME THING.

YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE A SO IF IT'S VISUALLY APPEALING VERSUS JUST THIS ACCORDION SHUTTER,

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YEAH. YEAH. AND REDUCE YOUR AIR CONDITIONING.

SO I HAVE TO SAY, YOU COULD LOOK FOR THAT OPTION AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK BEFORE THEN.

IF YOU KNOW A GOOD CARPENTER. MAKE IT. OH YEAH.

OH YEAH. YOU KNOW CARPENTER. YEAH. MR. MURPHY.

OH, I'M GONNA GET A GUESS OF THE RENDERING IS PROBABLY MAYBE AN I A RENDERING.

SO THE THE NICE TRIM WORK AT THE TOP PROBABLY IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS ROUND OF.

IS THAT RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT. AND YOU CAN SEE EVEN ON THE SIDE WHEN THERE'S MAYBE NEXT YEAR COME BACK BECAUSE BOY THAT REALLY SETS YOUR BUILDING OFF YOUR TRIM, WORK AROUND YOUR WINDOWS.

THAT AROUND THE TOP WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

BUT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUDGET WISE, IT'S, YOU'RE KICKING IN 50%.

SO YOU DON'T WANT TO BLOW YOUR BUDGET THIS YEAR, BUT MAYBE BRING IT BACK NEXT YEAR.

DEFINITELY. WHEN I SAW THAT LIKE AMAZING. YEAH.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, A GOOD CARPENTER THAT'S PRETTY INEXPENSIVE AROUND THERE.

OH, YEAH. THAT'S JUST SOME TWO BY EIGHTS WITH A.

TWO BY SIX SCREWED TO THE. ARE WE DONE WITH THE QUESTION? YES. YES. YES. LISA. JESSICA. ANY QUESTIONS? I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO FEEL LEFT OUT.

THANK YOU. IT'S GONNA LOOK A LOT BETTER. THEN I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. I'LL SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

SHE STILL NEEDS TO KNOW IF THE STAFF IS GOING TO NEED THAT FILLED OUT.

FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES, THIS IS THE 19211921. GOT IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE ONE YOU SAID.

1921. RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR SELLING IT TO SOMEONE WHO CARES.

YEAH. THE OLD THE OLD DIESEL JOB. IT'S JIM KIRBY'S OFFICE.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YOU'RE RIGHT. I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.

DIESEL. THE DIESEL? YEAH, YEAH. I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE ZONING ON IN TOWN.

ORANGE. I THINK.

IT'S LIKE SO, BUT THEN THEY HAD THE OTHER QUESTION, I THINK FOR THAT TOO.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY TIME I REQUESTED 25,000.

YOU SAY THAT. OH, RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. PLEASE STOP.

PLEASE. ANY TRUSTEE 1921 ORANGE AVENUE, OWNED BY COASTAL COLLISION PROPERTIES, LLC.

SO THEIR TOTAL INVESTMENT IS $1.15 MILLION, AND THEIR GRANT AMOUNT REQUEST IS FOR $25,000, WHICH IS OUR MAXIMUM. THEY ARE GOING TO. THEIR IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE FRONT FACADE RESTORATION, ELEVATION ENHANCEMENT, EXTERIOR PAINT UPGRADE, PARKING, RESURFACING, THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS, ADA IMPROVEMENTS, NEW SIGNAGE, PERMANENT LANDSCAPING, IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND SECURITY CAMERAS.

THAT IS THE 1921 ORANGE AVENUE PROPERTY. I THINK YOU HAVE YOUR EVALUATION FORMS. I'LL PAUSE THERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

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WELL FELICIA IS HERE, SO WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK WITH HER.

FELICIA, OUR CITY ATTORNEY. FELICIA, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS HERE.

YOU ACTUALLY YOUR YOUR COMPANY, WHICH IS NOT YOUR SOLELY OWNED COMPANY.

YOU FACILITATED THE SALE OF THIS PROPERTY FOR THE PRIOR OWNER TO REPRESENT THIS COASTAL DIVISION, RIGHT? AND IT WAS OUR. WAS TOMMY'S CLIENT, SO IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE.

HE WAS THE ATTORNEY, AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF SHE CARED.

A LOT OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR HIM OR NOT.

VOTE WHICHEVER WAY. SO WHAT WAS YOUR RELATIONSHIP AGAIN WITH AS A REAL ESTATE BROKER? SOLD IT TO THIS BUYER WHO WAS DOING THIS PROJECT? OKAY. HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? PROBABLY A YEAR AGO.

OKAY. DO YOU STILL DO WORK WITH THEM, OR IS THAT A POSSIBILITY STILL ABOUT THE PROPERTY? YES. OKAY. I'M SORRY. YOU SOLD THEM. YOU SOLD THAT ENTITY? OTHER PROPERTIES SINCE? YES. IN THE HOUSE NEXT TO YOU.

THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO REFINE FOR HER BENEFIT.

THE HOUSE NEXT TO ME WAS ACTUALLY PURCHASED BY A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LLC, IN WHICH THE COMMON INTEREST WOULD BE ERIC TANNENBAUM AND ERIC WOULD BE. THE OWNER IN THE PROPERTY, BUT THE HOUSE PURCHASE PREDATES THAT PURCHASE.

OKAY, THANKS FOR REMINDING ME. WELL, I HAD TO THINK THROUGH THIS EARLIER TODAY.

SO HE SOLD ERIC AND HIS LOVELY WIFE THROUGH THEIR LLC RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT'S JUST SOUTH OF MY PROPERTY.

AND THEN HE AND HIS BROTHER IN LAW FACILITATED THE SALE OF THIS PROPERTY TO ERIC AND A DIFFERENT GENTLEMAN.

I WOULD ASK, DO YOU HAVE ANY CURRENT LISTINGS WITH THIS COMPANY OR WITH ERIC'S OTHER LLC? I DO NOT. IS IT A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU MIGHT DO WORK FOR THEM IN THE FUTURE? YES, MA'AM. I WOULD, I WOULD ON THE SIDE OF NOT VOTING BASED ON THAT ONGOING BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, THOUGH.

I KNOW THE STATUTE IS NOT VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT IS A RELATIONSHIP AS FAR AS BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP, BUT IF IT COULD BE, THEN I WOULD SAY YOU SHOULDN'T SAY DO YOU NEED ANOTHER FORM? NO, I WOULD THINK LILY HAS THEM. OKAY, WELL, I'M GETTING THEM FROM CHEYENNE.

SHE PRINTED THEM, BUT I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO RUN DOWN THERE AND GET IT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN BUSY.

AND THEN WE DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. FELICIA.

ON ANOTHER PROPERTY. TWO OF THEM WILL HAVE CONFLICTS.

SO THEN THAT LEAVES FOUR REMAINING MEMBERS. DOES THAT.

CAN THEY STILL RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND RECOMMEND AWARD? HOW MANY MEMBERS DO YOU TYPICALLY HAVE? IS THAT THERE'S EIGHT ACTIVE MEMBERS.

SO YOU HAVE FOUR AT THAT POINT. THAT'S A SEPARATE QUESTION I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AND MAYBE ASK ABOUT. SO CAN THESE BE BUMPED TO THE NEXT DATE THAT THAT SPECIFIC ONE.

YOU CAN MOVE IT. YEAH, WE CAN GET THE OTHER ONES MOVING ALONG AND THEN WE CAN.

YEAH, SURE. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN.

IS THAT AN ISSUE? SO IF I MAY AND I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE WITH YOU, I'M NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY, ANY OTHER CITY COMMISSION BUSINESS WHERE WE STARTED WITH.

WELL, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE RELEVANT, BUT BUT THE QUORUM ISSUE IS MET BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S HERE.

THE. TWO PEOPLE CAN'T VOTE, BUT THE QUORUM ISSUE IS MET.

YOU NEED TO TALK TO SARAH ABOUT IT. SO LET'S JUST WHATEVER YOU.

IF YOU WANT TO KICK THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING, WE'LL KICK IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. BUT SO THIS IS AUGUST.

SO ARE WE GOING TO MEET IN SEPTEMBER? YES, WE'LL HAVE THIS AND PROBABLY A BUDGET REVIEW, WHICH I PROBABLY WON'T BE.

YOU WON'T BE HERE. BUT NO, ON THAT NEXT ONE, I MAY NOT HAVE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DONE BUSINESS WITH CHRISTY AND SHE JUST BOUGHT A PROPERTY I OWN 15 YEARS AGO. SO I DON'T SEE THAT. I DON'T SEE THAT NEARLY AS A CONFLICT.

YEAH. THAT'S NO LONGER A CONFLICT ANYMORE. WHY ARE WE JUST TAKING A LOOK AT ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE? PLEASE GET IN TOUCH WITH MY OFFICE OR GET IN TOUCH WITH THE COMMISSION ON ETHICS AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT WE HAVE TIME TO LOOK THROUGH ALL OF THIS.

THROW THIS OUT A LITTLE LAST MINUTE FOR AT LEAST FINAL APPROVAL.

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AND WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON OUR EVEN THOUGH WE'RE AN ADVISORY BOARD, IT'S CALLED A NUMBER OF HOW MANY PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD.

I MEAN, SO I MEAN, I WOULD I WOULD THINK THAT AS LONG AS NEITHER ONE OF YOU MAKE THE MOTION.

AND SECOND, IF I'M WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK AND I TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO DO IT? TO. TO DO WHAT? TO VOTE ON THAT NEXT ONE. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THE THE ONE THAT HE. 225. I DON'T HAVE NEARLY THE CONFLICT.

225 THAT USED TO BE MY BUILDING AND SHE BOUGHT IT FROM ME 15 YEARS AGO.

AND I KNOW THE LADY, BUT I HAVEN'T DONE BUSINESS WITH HER.

AND YOU HAVEN'T LISTED PROPERTY. YOU DON'T HAVE PROPERTY LISTED WITH HER.

I DO NOT. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO EXCLUDE YOU BECAUSE YOU MIGHT TAKE A LISTING, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ON THIS BOARD BECAUSE WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY.

YEAH I DON'T YEAH, I, I'M WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK IF THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP THE PROCESS BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE A 1% CHANCE THAT YEAH, YEAH, I COULD CARE LESS IF THEY KICK ME OFF.

YEAH. JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, THE COMMISSION ON ETHICS, THE SERIES, YOU MIGHT KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY CAN THEY CAN ISSUE BASICALLY PUNISHMENTS FOR PEOPLE WHO RUN AFOUL OF THEIR RULES.

BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT THAT.

I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO MOVE THAT PROJECT ALONG THAN THE ABSOLUTE POSSIBILITY THAT I COULD EVER.

YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO TURN ME DOWN. IF SHE WANTS TO BUY A PROPERTY.

I'LL SEND HER. OH, YEAH. I'LL SEND HER TO BED HERE.

OKAY. OH MY GOD. THAT WAS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S FABULOUS.

DID WE FINISH UP? 1921. NO. BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T CORRECTED.

NO, NO. SO WE NEED TO WE HAD A MOTION AND WE APPROVED.

CORRECT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE. NO WE DIDN'T HAVE.

WE WERE IN DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY I'M SUCH A TROUBLEMAKER, BUT I HAD THE ISSUE.

ALL RIGHT. SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU MA'AM.

I'LL SECOND. MOTION. AND SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AND FOR THIS PROPERTY, BOTH OF YOU ARE IN CONFLICT AND NOT VOTING.

NO NO NO NO. EDDIE. JUST. EDDIE. HE'S FINE. EDDIE'S FINE.

I SPOKE WITH. GIVE ME A SECOND. NO, I'M GOING TO PASS THE GAVEL TO YOU.

SO I ASKED FELICIA. FELICIA SAID THAT I DID NOT HAVE A CONFLICT ON THE 19211921 PROPERTY.

SO I CAN VOTE. SO IT'S JUST MR. MURPHY IS ABSTAINING ON THIS ONE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MR. MURPHY ABSTAINS.

THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. IF YOU COULD PARTICIPATE, PLEASE PULL OUT YOUR RANKING IN MEMBERS.

COUNCILMAN IS 15081508.

I'LL ADD THEM UP. I HAVE A CALCULATOR. OKAY. HOW DO WE GO? WE DID. THANK YOU. BONUS POINTS. THOSE ONES ON THE ORIGINAL 11.

THAT'S RIGHT THERE. YEAH, I WAS THINKING ON THAT ONE.

RIGHT. BEHIND SKIPPY. SKIPPY GREEN'S INSURANCE. YES. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT ONE IS 1508 DELAWARE AVENUE. CORRECT. SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY A CONVENIENCE STORE LOCATED IN DELAWARE AVENUE.

THEIR TOTAL INVESTMENT IS 7982 AND $0.56. THE GRANT AMOUNT REQUESTS FOR $25,000 FOR FACADE RESTORATION, EXTERIOR LIGHTING, EXTERIOR PAINT, PERMANENT LANDSCAPING AND IRRIGATION.

NOW, THIS IS ALSO AN AI GENERATED PHOTO. THE PARKING LOT LOOKS IMPROVED.

HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT PART OF THEIR ESTIMATES THAT THEY SUBMITTED, SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REDO THE PARKING LOT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT AS AN FYI. BUT YES, THIS IS 1508 DELAWARE AVENUE.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? DO THEY HAVE PERMANENT PERMANENT LANDSCAPING.

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IT WOULD HAVE TO BUILD THOSE. THOSE CURRENTLY DON'T EXIST AND THERE'S NO GRASS THERE. CORRECT.

SO I THINK ON ON THE SIDE OF I THINK IN BETWEEN BOTH.

YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY, BUT THAT STUFF IN THE FRONT WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILT AS A GARDEN BOX OR A FLOWER BOX.

SO INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM, IMAGINE THE AYE A PRESENTATION WITH THE THE REGULAR THE PARKING LOT WAS NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION.

YES. CORRECT. AND NOW MY QUESTION IS WITH THIS AI GENERATED, BECAUSE THE PAINT OF WHAT THEY CHOSE WITH THIS AI WAS VERY, VERY NICE. DOES THIS GUARANTEE THEY'RE DOING THOSE SIMILAR COLORS, OR DO WE TURN OUT AND THEY BECOME RED AND ORANGE AND THEY ARE TIED TO WHATEVER THEY SUBMITTED IN THERE SO THAT IT HAS TO RESEMBLE THIS WHEN THEY ARE COMPLETED. CORRECT.

TO GET THE MONEY, THE STONEWORK, THE LIGHTING SCREEN WOULD COME DOWN THE ORIGINAL, THE PORTION TO THE LEFT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PERMANENT STRUCTURE ON THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW. IT'S LIKE A THIS PORCH.

YEAH. THIS IS, THIS IS THAT'S A BETTER PICTURE.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S JUST LIKE A LITTLE COVERING FOR THE FOOD TRUCK, RIGHT? SO IN HERE, IT, IT'S DEMONSTRATED AS A BUILDING.

YES. ARE THEY INTENDING TO SEE THE LANDSCAPE BEHIND THE BUILDING? THAT WAS NOT PART OF THEIR APPLICATION. OKAY.

SO WHERE ARE THE BOLLARDS START? RIGHT THERE. THAT THAT PORTION IS KIND OF ESSENTIALLY THAT PAINTING.

CORRECT. AND THE STONEWORK WAS NOT IN THERE EITHER.

OH OH. SO I'VE GOT A QUESTION AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE NEGATIVE, BUT I JUST I'M NOT SEEING I'M NOT SEEING $25,000 WORTH OF WORK, MUCH LESS $60,000 WORTH OF WORK.

SO CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE'S $60,000 WORTH OF WORK ON THIS ONE.

THEY INCLUDED THE SOFFITS, WHICH I EXPLAINED TO HER.

ALSO ON THAT ONE THAT THAT WAS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR SOFFITS AND THE GUTTERS.

SO THAT'S NOT ELIGIBLE AS PART OF THIS THIS GRANT.

FOR THIS GRANT PROGRAM. SO I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE CONNECTED WITH THIS PROJECT OR NOT, MA'AM, BUT AND IF YOU ARE, PLEASE SPEAK UP. I.

CAN YOU SHOW US THE RECEIPTS OR THE PROJECTIONS ON THE SCREEN FOR WHERE THEY'RE SPENDING.

I MEAN, I'VE GOT I HOPE THEY'RE SPENDING 60 GRAND AND I HOPE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR MONEY'S WORTH.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE JUMPING AHEAD OF ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT I JUST I'M NOT SEEING IT.

YEAH. IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THE DRIVEWAY OR THE DRIVEWAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE DRIVEWAY COUNTS.

THE EAVES DON'T COUNT. THE GUTTERS DON'T COUNT THE SOFFIT.

THE LIGHTING COUNTS, THOUGH. LIGHTING LIGHTING QUALIFIES CORRECT BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE SOME COSTS RELATED TO THAT.

YEAH. THEY'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THAT BLOCK FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. DOES RESEALING AND RESTRIPING COUNT ON FACADE PRESERVATION.

IF THEY MADE THAT, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT CERTAINLY ENHANCES A PROPER SEAL COATING WOULD NOT.

BUT PAINTING WOULD BE MORE LIKE PAINTING, LIKE A PAINTING THE BUILDING.

SO YES, IT WOULD COUNT, BUT NOT AS A PRIMARY FACADE IMPROVEMENT.

SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD HELP THEM. IT WOULD BE COVERED, BUT NOT AS ONE OF THE PRIMARY FACADE IMPROVEMENTS.

BUT PARKING LOT SEAL COATING AND STRIPING IS NOT.

YOU DON'T GET ANY. THERE'S NO REIMBURSABLE ON THAT.

IT COULD BE REIMBURSED DEPENDING ON THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT YOU KNOW THAT ARE LOOKING TO BE DONE, CAN YOU SHOW ME A RECEIPT THAT I MEAN THAT THE ESTIMATE OR ESTIMATE FOR? YES. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR HERE IS THE COMPANY.

GO BACK UP TO THE TOP. OH, OKAY. AND IF YOU'RE EXPECTING ME TO READ THAT I WAS STRUGGLING, SO I FEEL BETTER. LAUDERHILL.

YEAH. DOWNTOWN. 17.

17. IF I'M THE ONLY ONE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THIS.

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NINE PICTURES IN ONE PICTURE VERSUS THE ORIGINAL.

I CAN TELL YOU, HAVING INSTALLED COMMERCIAL LIGHT FIXTURES IN MY CLOSET, THEY'RE NOT CHEAP, RIGHT? INCLUDING THE THE INSTALLATION THAT FIRST ROUND UP.

THERE'S 20,000 OF IT. YEAH, A CHUNK OF IT. YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH, BUT IT'S A CHUNK AND YOU CAN APPROVE IT AS REQUESTED.

YOU CAN APPROVE IT A PARTIAL FUNDING OR YOU CAN DENY IT.

SO YOU'LL HAVE THE OPTION TO DO EITHER OF THAT.

WELL OKAY. NOW MY QUESTION IS IF SAY WE APPROVE IT WHEN THEY COME BACK IN, DON'T THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THEIR RECEIPTS AND WHAT IT IS THEY ACTUALLY SPENT CORRECT IN ORDER TO BE REIMBURSED? CORRECT. SO IF THEY COME BACK IN AND THEY'VE ONLY SPENT 40,000, THAT MEANS WE CAN REDUCE THE GRANT FOR 20. WE WILL ONLY REIMBURSE UP TO 50%.

RIGHT. SO IT WOULD BE 20. BUT IF FOR SOME REASON THEY COME IN AND THEY WIND UP SPENDING 60, THEN WE'RE STILL ONLY AT THE 25. THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THAT WHATEVER THEY DO, THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY DID IT.

CORRECT. BEFORE WE GO DOWN THAT PATH, ARE THERE.

GIVE ME ONE SECOND. ARE THERE $67,000 WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT FALL WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE GRANT? WELL, NO. OKAY. SO WE CAN'T. I'M SORRY. THE NUMBER WAS ACTUALLY 57.

ALL RIGHT. SO ARE YOU PREPARED TODAY TO TELL US WHAT DOLLAR FIGURE ACTUALLY FALLS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES? THAT I DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE FROM THEM. SO YOU ASKED.

YES. OKAY. I'LL DO WHATEVER. I DON'T CONTROL THIS COMMITTEE, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS THROW THIS BACK TO THEM AND HAVE THEM GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE REQUESTED THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.

BUT WHATEVER THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO DO. I KIND OF ARE PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THIS ESTIMATE, AND YOU HAD MENTIONED LET ME KNOW IF I'M WRONG.

UP TOWARDS THE TOP, FURTHER UP, THE SOFFITS AND THE GUTTERS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT TOTAL ESTIMATE.

SO IF YOU SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THIS, THEN THAT DOES TO DONNA'S POINT, ALTER THE MAXIMUM INVESTMENT.

SO IF THEY COULD PROVIDE THIS LESS THE GUTTERS AND THE SOFFIT OR ANY OTHER THINGS THAT DON'T QUALIFY, I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT A TRUE NUMBER, IF THEY'RE SPENDING $10,000 ON THE GUTTERS AND THAT COMES RIGHT OFF THE TOP.

DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE TO YOU IF THEY'RE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 12 ON SOFFITS, DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE? SO NOW WE HAVE A MORE REASONABLE NUMBER FOR WHAT THEY HAVE LISTED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF. DOUG. MOTION TO DENY.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON A MOTION TO DENY. YES, WITH A COMMENT.

SO JUST FOR FUTURE I WOULD THINK MY SWORD IMPROVEMENTS.

I MEAN I'VE SEEN SOME NASTY LOOKING SOFFITS HANGING DOWN.

I'M NOT SO SURE WHY YOU WOULD EXCLUDE SOFFITS OUT OF FACADE IMPROVEMENTS.

YOU MIGHT YOU MIGHT RECONSIDER THAT BECAUSE THAT CAN ENHANCE THE BUILDING.

AGAIN, THAT EXTERIOR LOOK, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE HERE.

I DON'T MY MY OPINION THAT SHOULDN'T BE EXCLUDED.

BUT. I CAN I, CAN I AMEND THE MOTION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO KIND OF GET A MORE DETAILED COST SUBJECT TO DETAIL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LIKE WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING US IS, IS NOT A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING $7,000 ON IT IF IT WAS $57,000, AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE WITH THIS CONVERSATION. YEAH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION THAT MAY HELP US IF WE FOLLOW THROUGH.

IF THE VOTE IS TO DENY HOW LONG BEFORE THEY CAN REAPPLY? WELL, WE CAN IF WE DENY IT, THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO APPLY UNTIL SPRING.

IF YOU RESCIND THAT MOTION AND YOU REQUEST THEM TO PROVIDE A REVISED ESTIMATE, THEN I CAN BRING IT BACK NEXT MONTH.

I'LL RESEND MY MOTION. ALL RIGHT. SO I WANT IT ON THE RECORD.

YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THIS THING IS YOU REQUESTED INFORMATION FROM THEM AND THEY REFUSED TO GIVE YOU THE OR DID NOT.

WHATEVER REASON, SOMEBODY GOT SICK OR WHATEVER.

THEY DIDN'T GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION AND YOU DIDN'T REQUEST THE INFORMATION YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.

I REQUESTED IT TWO WEEKS AGO, BUT SHE DID INDICATE THEY WERE GOING OUT OF TOWN.

IT WAS SUMMER. AND SO WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS IF WE DENY IT?

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WHAT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE IT OR. I DON'T KNOW MY READING OF THE TEA LEAVES.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE IT. SO HOW DO WE GET IT? SO THAT THEY CAN GET YOU THE INFORMATION? BECAUSE THIS IS A PRETTY NASTY LOOKING PIECE OF PROPERTY AS WE DRIVE BY IT.

AND IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SPEND MONEY ON IT, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW US THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY, THAT THE MONEY QUALIFIES FOR THE GRANT PROGRAM THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR, AND THAT WE CAN THEN REIMBURSE THEM IN AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT FOR THE QUALIFIED IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE.

SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? SO WE CAN ASK THEM TO PROVIDE US REVISED ESTIMATES FOR THE WORK FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE.

AND I'LL BRING IT BACK BEFORE YOU. SO IS THAT A MOTION TO POSTPONE.

MOTION. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE. AND NOW A SECOND.

DO YOU NEED A DATE SPECIFIC. BECAUSE I'D RATHER THEM.

AND CAN WE ADD IN THEIR BRING BACK A RENDERING.

THAT'S NOT THAT. WHEN WE FIRST SAW THAT WE'RE GOING, YEAH, YEAH, WE WERE ALL.

YEAH. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE. WE WANT IT WITHOUT THE FLUFF.

DO WE WANT A DATE CERTAIN SO THAT STAFF ISN'T WAITING 12 MONTHS FOR THEM TO SUPPLY SOMETHING.

I WOULD SAY 60 DAYS WOULD BE REASONABLE TO GET REVISED ESTIMATES.

IS THAT OKAY WITH THE MOTION MAKER? 60 DAYS. CAN WE REQUEST 30.

AND IF THEY NEED AN EXTENSION. PERFECT. OKAY.

DOES THE SECONDER CONCUR WITH THE 30 DAYS? I DO, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

THIS IS. DO YOU WANT US TO. I'LL TAKE THEM TO HOLD THEM.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE ALL MINE. I'VE GOT THE NASTY NOTES ABOUT YOU.

THE NEXT ONE IS THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER, SO WE'LL HAVE THE SAME SITUATION.

150200 THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE. THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE.

IT'S THE SEPARATE PARCEL. SO THEY'RE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY TO SEPARATE APPLICATION.

SO AGAIN IS THE AI PROPPED UP TO LOOK BETTER THAN WHAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING.

THE STONEWORK WAS NOT PART OF THEIR ESTIMATE.

AND I DID INQUIRE ON THE STONEWORK. SO ARE YOU RECOMMENDING WE DO THE SAME MOTION.

YES. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO DELAY. SEVEN TO POSTPONE SEVEN D FOR 30 DAYS FOR THEM TO PROVIDE REALISTIC ESTIMATES.

YEAH. CAN WE DISCUSS. I MEAN, JUST A LITTLE BRIEFING.

I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY. WHAT WERE THEY PLAYING AGAIN? IF THE AI RENDERING IS WAY BEYOND. ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT? LOOKS LIKE A RE-ENGINEERING OF THE FACADE WHICH.

LOOKS REALLY GOOD THOUGH. OR IS THAT JUST A PICTURE? IT'S AGAIN, IT'S AN AI PHOTO FROM FROM. THAT LOOKS SO NICE.

AND WHEN IT SAYS FACADE RESTORATION, DO. ARE THEY REQUIRED TO GO INTO DETAIL OF WHAT THAT INCLUDES? IT WAS MORE LIKE PATCHWORK ON THE WALL GETTING IT READY FOR PREP.

SO IT WAS MINOR FACADE RESTORATION. THE ESTIMATE HAD READ THAT IT WAS REPAIR OF CRUMBLING CONCRETE.

SO IT'S ALL CONCRETE BLOCK IN THE FRONT AND STUCCO.

SO I THINK THEY INTEND TO PATCH AND REPAIR PORTIONS.

YES. IT WAS TO REBUILD THE WHOLE NOT COMPLETE STUCCO.

YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO DO LIKE SAINT LUCIE BATTERY ENTIRE DOES WHEN THEY PAY FOR IT LIKE YOURS KNOW SHOUT OUT.

ALL RIGHT. THAT DOES LOOK I MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE 1502 DELAWARE AVENUE.

SEVEN D WITH THE SAME REQUEST TO THE APPLICANT.

30 DAYS IN 30 DAYS. NO FLUFF. TRUE NUMBERS HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION? SURE. THE ESTIMATE THAT YOU SHOWED IS DIFFERENT FROM THIS ONE, RIGHT. THEY PROVIDED A SEPARATE, SEPARATE ESTIMATE.

OKAY. DID THAT ESTIMATE INCLUDE SOFT BED AND GUTTERS AS WELL? OKAY. SO SAME THING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

CAN I JUST COMMENT ON THIS ALL FOR IT. AGAIN THERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE.

IF YOU TRULY DO THAT? THEY SHOULD. THEY SHOULD.

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YOU CAN'T DO IT. IT'S SO MUCH EASIER. THERE'S A GUY THERE THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING INTO THAT DOWNPOUR RIGHT AT THE EDGE.

OH, AND ALSO TO PROTECT THAT FLAT ROOF, WELL, THEY'RE ALL FLAT ROOFS.

AND ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO GET THAT WATER AWAY FROM THAT ROOF IS GOING TO HELP THE BUILDING.

YEAH, I'LL RUN IT BY MISS EVANS ALSO, TO SEE OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO SEE IF WE CAN INCLUDE THAT.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE HITTING 430, AND I WAS TRYING TO GET US OUT OF HERE, AND WE WILL NOT GET OUT OF HERE.

225. YES. 225, PLEASE. 225 ORANGE AVENUE OWNED BY KDK PROPERTIES LLC.

THEY ARE REQUESTING $57,092.26. I'M SORRY. THAT'S A TOTAL INVESTMENT.

THEY'RE REQUESTING $25,000. THIS IS VARSITY SPORTS SHOP.

THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO THESE AWNINGS. THEY'RE GOING TO DO A NEW SIGN LANDSCAPING AND PAVERS AND THEN THIS FENCING AND GATE FOR OUTDOOR OUTDOOR EVENTS IS WHAT SHE INDICATED THAT THAT ONE IS 225 ORANGE.

I WANT TO GET OUT OF HERE BY 4:00. 5:00. YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE OLD ONES BUILDING ON US ONE, BUT ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? CAN WE SEE THE ORIGINAL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE PAPERS YET.

OH, I'M SORRY, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. OKAY. I WOULD SAY THAT LOOKS MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS ONE. OH, YES. OKAY. WOW.

THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY AWESOME. YEAH. YEAH. SO THIS IS YOUR.

ALL RIGHT. NOW THIS IS ALL THINGS SCIENCE SIGNAGE.

SO NOW THE SIGNAGE OR SIGNAGE. EXCUSE ME, IS THAT INCLUDED IN THIS GRANT OR IS THAT NEEDING TO BE. IT CAN BE APPLIED FOR THIS GRANT SEPARATELY.

OKAY. IT CAN BE PART OF IT OR THEY CAN APPLY SEPARATELY.

SOMETIMES THEY NEED TO INCLUDE IT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A HIGHER NUMBER.

EXACTLY. ALL RIGHT. SO IN THE ESTIMATE FOR THIS KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE AI, IS THE FRONT GOING TO BE RECONSTRUCTED. SO WHERE THAT WHERE THAT SCALLOP SIDE IS THIS FRONT IS RAISED UP HIGHER.

IS THAT PART OF THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE ESTIMATE.

THE ESTIMATES JUST INCLUDED THE AWNINGS, THE SIGNAGE, THE LANDSCAPING TABLES AND FENCING.

AI IS KILLING IT WITH THE PICTURES. THEY'RE GORGEOUS.

WE CAN DO THAT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT I STILL LOVE THE EFFORT WITH JUST AWNINGS AND STUFF AND YOU KNOW, THE MODIFICATIONS, LIKE I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY CLARIFY TO PEOPLE THAT ARE SUBMITTING, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT REALLY WHAT IT IS.

YEAH. NO, I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. THAT IS GORGEOUS.

WELL, THERE'S NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT ON THAT. NO.

AND MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL PHOTO OF THE BUILDING, HOW DO YOU PUT AWNINGS ALONG THAT SIDE UNLESS YOU BUILD UP THAT SIDE? BECAUSE THAT LITTLE FLAT ROOF RIGHT THERE BEHIND THE FRONT BUILDING THAT'S ATTACHED, YOU, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT. WELL, THE AWNINGS THERE TO DONNA, THEY'RE SHOWING DOORS AND WINDOWS, RIGHT? I JUST SAID DON'T EXIST. RIGHT. EXACTLY.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. DO YOU REMEMBER? OH, OKAY.

YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S. GONNA STICK AROUND. I KNOW.

HOW ARE YOU? YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PEOPLE AND SAY, DO IT AS YOU'RE RENDERING HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND WE APPROVE OR JUST HAVE THE OVERLAY DONE ON THEIR ACTUAL BUILDING.

LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

NO, EXACTLY. SO. YEAH, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. YEAH.

I MEAN, I LOVE THE CONCEPT AND I CAN SEE IT. I CAN SEE IT.

IT'S NOT AS PRETTY AS THAT, DON'T GET ME WRONG.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE JUMBLED THAN THE AWNINGS AREN'T GOING TO BE AS IMPACTFUL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT MUCH DEPTH TO THEM.

IT'S GOING TO BE HAVE TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE WALL HEIGHT TO SUPPORT THAT KIND OF VARIABLE HEIGHT,

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I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING. IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO THE SPOT.

THEY'RE GOING TO TURN IT INTO. WELL UNFORTUNATELY I FEEL THAT SINCE WE POSTPONED THE TWO PREVIOUS BECAUSE THE AI GENERATED DID NOT INCORPORATE WHAT THE DESCRIPTION WAS, THAT I FEEL WE SHOULD GO BACK AND GET AN UPDATED COST AND WHAT THE RENDERING WILL ACTUALLY SUBMIT REALISTIC RENDERING.

SO HER COST ESTIMATES WERE ACCURATE. IT WAS JUST FOR AWNING SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING AND FENCING IN THE GATES.

HER ESTIMATES WERE. HER ESTIMATES WERE. DO YOU HAVE THOSE? SURE.

THE SIGN AND THE LIGHTS ARE PROBABLY 20 GRAND.

YEAH. THE LIGHTS ARE NOT PART OF THE. ARE NOT PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.

OH, OKAY. IT'S JUST THE SIGNAGE. LANDSCAPING, PAVERS IS IN THE LIGHT THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING.

YEAH. I MEAN, IF WE'RE JUST THROWING UP AN AWNING AND LANDSCAPING, AND APPARENTLY WE'RE NOT EVEN PAINTING IT.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW. LIKE, THERE'S NO THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF THE PERIMETER, LIKE OF WHAT THE PROPERTY IS.

SO. IS IT HERE TO THIS LITTLE SHRUB ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE FORT PIERCE? YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. 32 GRAND.

YEAH. THAT'S $2,000 FOR THE. THEY OWN THAT PARKING LOT AND THEY OWN THAT.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO CLOSE ALL THIS OFF. BUT I MEAN, I'VE DONE SOME ORNAMENTAL GATES LIKE THAT.

IT'S EXPENSIVE. YEAH. IT'S PRETTY. YEAH. SO 32,000 FOR.

THE PAVERS COUNT THE. PAVERS. 32. 32 FOR PAVERS.

I GOT A GOOD NEIGHBOR. I SURE DO. THIS ESTIMATE ALSO INCLUDES PLANS.

AND THEN HE GETS THEM RIGHT FROM THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LANDSCAPING IS.

IF THEY TURN ALL THAT INTO PAVERS BECAUSE EVERYTHING HERE LOOKS LIKE MOVABLE.

YEAH. 113. CASEY CASSIUS OH, IT'S THE PLANTS THEMSELVES. THAT'S THE OTHER ONES. WELL, JUST THE FACT THE RENDERING IS NEW DOORS, WINDOWS ON THE SIDE. THERE'S NO REALLY ANY DOORS OR WINDOWS ON THE BUILDING.

NO LIGHT. ON THIS FOR THIS ESTIMATE FOR 28,000.

AGAIN FOR THE PAVERS AND THOSE PLANTS FOR THE COURTYARD.

THIS IS FOR THE CANVAS AWNINGS. MARCH WERE THE AWNINGS.

I KNOW THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. THEY ARE. HOW MUCH WERE THE ONYX? AROUND TEN. 12. ABOUT 11. WOW. THIS IS REQUIRED TO OBTAIN TWO ESTIMATES. SO THE OTHER COMPANY QUOTED HER 13,693.

OKAY. COULD YOU. SO EACH BIDDER IS SUPPOSED TO GET TWO ESTIMATES.

YES, SIR. OH THAT'S GOOD. YES. WE REQUIRE ESTIMATES FOR EVERY TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT.

OKAY. DID DELAWARE AVENUE HAVE TWO ESTIMATES? THEY DID. I THINK I MIGHT HAVE JUST PULLED UP THE ONE, BUT THEY WERE VERY CLOSE.

ONE OF THEM WAS. THE OTHER ONE WAS 60,000. I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU. OH. OTHER ESTIMATE FOR THE SIGN. 4085.

WHAT WAS ROYAL FORM? FOAM FORM. FOAM FOAM. IT'S HER SIGN.

THE COMPANY THAT QUOTED HER FOR A SIGN. OH, OKAY. SO JUST ANOTHER SIGN.

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PROBABLY GOING TO LOOK FAMILIAR. ARE WE DONE SCORING? YES. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A FIRST CALL FOR CLARIFICATION.

JUST A POSTPONED IN THE SAME VEIN AS THE LAST ONE.

IS THERE ANY MAKING A MOTION. WELL I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING FOR CONSISTENCY.

I MEAN MY THOUGHT IS YES DUE TO THE FACT WE JUST DID THAT TO THE LAST TWO BECAUSE THEY'RE RENDERING.

AND WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE DOING WAS NOT COINCIDE WITH WITH WHAT THE APPLICATIONS FOR GO AHEAD MOTION TO POSTPONE BASED ON A MORE REALISTIC RENDERING.

SECOND. SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION.

30 DAYS WILL INCLUDE 30 DAYS TO RESUBMIT ANY DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED? THANK YOU. OH. THANK YOU. SO THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE DISCUSSION.

DID YOU WANT TO MOVE THEM TO THE NEXT MEETING? WE GOT TWO ADDITIONAL AGENDA ITEMS FOR A SURPLUS PROPERTY DISPOSITION DISCUSSION AND DEMOLITION GRANT GUIDELINES DISCUSSION.

IT IS FOUR. 38. DO WE WANT TO START TO TACKLE THESE? DO WE WANT TO KICK THEM THE NEXT MONTH? I DON'T CARE.

WE GOT ONE. I GOT TO GO. WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOTION TO CLOSE.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN. CONSENSUS OR CONSENSUS TO MOVE TO THE NEXT MEETING.

SO THESE ARE GETTING KICKED TO NEXT MEETING. MR. WESLEY WAS NOT ABLE TO SHOW TODAY, KEVIN, WHO WE WOULD TALK ABOUT IT OR SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION TO EXCUSE WESLEY. OKAY. I'LL MOTION TO. EXCUSE ME. GOT A SECOND.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? EXCUSED. ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD? WE'RE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.