[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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>> THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026. IF EVERYONE COULD PLEASE STAND
FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> (IN UNISON): I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MR. JOHNSON.
>> HERE. >> MR. WIDING? CHAIR KREISL? VICE-CHAIR CLEMONS.
>> HERE. I SEE MR. WIDING IS NOT HERE
DO WE HAVE EXCUSES FOR THEM? >> MR. KREISL CALLED IN WITH A REASONABLE EXCUSE FOR NOT BEING HERE TODAY, AND MR. WIDING
SAYS THEY WOULD BE HERE TODAY. >> OKAY, WE'LL HOLD OFF ON THE
[a. Minutes from the August 10, 2026, Planning Board meeting]
CONSIDERATION FOR ABSENCES FOR THE AGENDA.>> PERFECT. >> AND MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. DO WE HAVE A MOTION?
>> SO MOVED. >> I'LL SECOND IT.
>> THE MOTION HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> MR. STOREY.
>> VICE-CHAIR CLEMONS. >> THE MOTION PASSES.
>> CONSIDERING THE CROWD THAT WE HAVE TODAY --
>> YOU MISSED ONE. >> MANY JOHNSON, SORRY.
CONSIDERING WE HAVE A LARGE CROWD TODAY, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ITEM D ON THE AGENDA UP TO A SO WE CAN APPROACH THAT FIRST FOR EVERYONE TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE THEMSELVES.
AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS ON. >> COULD I JUST HAVE A WORD,
CHAIR? >> CARRIE FREEMAN, PLANNING DIRECTOR. WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS MOVING ITEM D TO THE TOP, BECAUSE THAT DETERMINATION AND WHAT'S MADE IN THAT DETERMINATION WILL AFFECT THE CONSIDERATION OF ITEM 6 (C) TO 6 (D) FIRST, THE PLANNING BOARD'S DETERMINATION OF THE ZONING CATEGORY FOR A DATA CENTER, AND I'LL GO INTO MORE EXPLANATION ON THAT WHEN THAT ITEM COMES UP, AND T 6 (C), THE ACTUAL APPLICATION FOR REZONING.
>> OKAY. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS ITEM -- DO YOU WANT (D) BEFORE (C) OR (D) AT THE VERY TOP?
>> (D) BEFORE (C), WHEREVER THAT LANDS.
>> SO ITEM (D) WILL BE (A). >> FIRST UP FOR NEW BUSINESS
[d. Determination of Zoning Category - Data Center]
WILL BE ITEM D. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR.
THIS ITEM DEALS WITH THE ASPECT OF WHAT USE A DATA CENTER SHOULD BE CATEGORIZED AS. IN THE CITY'S CODE, WE HAVE A TABLE, A LIST OF USES. IN THAT LIST OF USES, THE USE NAME "DATA CENTER" DOES NOT APPEAR.
THEREFORE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A DETERMINATION OF SIMILAR USE, AND THAT FIRST FALLS TO THE PLANNING BOARD UNDER SECTION 1256 OF THE CITY'S CODE, WHICH STATES "THE CITY PLANNING BOARD MAY PERMIT IN PARTICULAR ZONE A USE NOT LISTED IN THIS CHAPTER, PROVIDED THE USES ARE THE SAME GENERAL TYPE AS THE USES PERMITTED THERE BY THIS CHAPTER. HOWEVER, THIS SECTION DOES NOT AUTHORIZATION THE INCLUSION IN A ZONE WHERE IT IS NOT LISTED IN ANOTHER ZONE OR A USE LISTED IN ANOTHER ZONE.
SO THAT MEANS, IF WE HAD A USE, SAY, AS A RETAIL STORE, YOU COULDN'T ALLOCATE A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT IF IT'S ALREADY LISTED IN THE USE TABLES. IN THIS CASE, YOU ARE ABLE TO ALLOCATE A ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE USE OF DATA CENTER BECAUSE
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IT DOESN'T APPEAR ANYWHERE IN THE CITY'S USE CODE.SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE THIS AGENDA ITEM.
SO WHAT STAFF HAVE LOOKED AT -- OKAY, IN THE USE TABLE, WHICH ARE THE USES WHICH WILL BE POTENTIALLY APPLICABLE TO HAVE THE DATA CENTER USE POSITIONED IN? AND WE HAVE THE THOUGHT PROCESS -- IT SHOULD BE AN INDUSTRIAL USE, AND IN THE INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY, WE HAVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, MARINE INDUSTRIAL, AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, AND CERTAIN USERS ARE ALLOWED IN EACH.
SO IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL -- AND I'LL GIVE YOU A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THAT ALLOWS: SO THE PURPOSE OF THE -- I'M GOING TO CALL IT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT IT'S THE I-1 DISTRICT, IS TO PROVIDE FOR INDUSTRIAL AND RELATED USES WITH LIMITED OBJECTIONABLE EXTERNAL EFFECTS IN AREAS THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR SUCH OPERATIONS DUE TO THE DESIRABILITY OF SITE CHARACTERISTICS, ADEQUACY OF UTILITIES, APPROPRIATE NECESSARY OF TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES, AND OTHER FACTORS.
ACCEPTABLE MANUFACTURING, WAREHOUSING, HEAVY COMMERCIAL AND SIMILAR USES ARE ENCOURAGED. USES IN THE DISTRICT MAY PERFORM A SUPPORT ROLE FOR OTHER USES IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
THE I-2 INDUSTRIAL USE IS PARTICULARLY RELEVANT TO A MARINE USE, AND THE CALL-OUT FOR DATA CENTER DOES NOT SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT DISTRICT. SO I WOULD CLASS THAT AS NOT APPROPRIATE. THE FINAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS IS THE ITCH-3 DISTRICT, WHICH THE PURPOSE OF IS TO PROVIDE FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND RELATED USES, WITH LIMITED OBJECTIONABLE EXTERNAL EFFECTS IN AREAS THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR SUCH OPERATIONS DUE TO THE DESIRABILITY OF SITE CHARACTERISTICS, ADEQUACY OF UTILITIES, APPROPRIATENESS OF TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES, AND OTHER FACTORS.
ACCEPTABLE MANUFACTURING, WAREHOUSING, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND SIMILAR USES ARE ENCOURAGED OR -- THAT'S WHERE THOSE CATEGORIES LIE. SO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS FOR SORT OF A HEAVIER COMMERCIAL USE. HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IS SOMETHING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, PRESENTS NOISE AND SO FORTH.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE OTHER CATEGORIES OF A DATA CENTER, AND IF WE LOOK AT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF A DATA CENTER, THE BUILDINGS ARE ACTUALLY -- THEY'RE ALL LARGE, USUALLY. THEY'RE SECURE.
THEY'RE SECURED BY FENCES OR SECURITY AROUND THEM.
THEY LOOK IN APPEARANCE LIKE A WAREHOUSE BUILDING.
THEY HOUSE COMPUTER SERVERS AND DATA PROCESSING EQUIPMENT, RATHER THAN MANUFACTURING THERE ARE LIMITED EMPLOYEES AND CUSTOMER TRAFFIC. THERE'S NO PUBLIC ACCESS USUALLY TO THOSE THINGS. LOADING EQUIPMENT, MAINTENANCE AND SERVICE ACTIVITY ARE COMMON. THERE ARE CONTINUOUS HVAC AND COOLING OPERATIONS. THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT ELECTRIC SERVICE AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIRED.
THERE ARE EMERGENCY GENERATORS, FUEL STORAGE, TRANSFORMERS AND SWITCH GEAR, AND THESE MAY BE TESTED ON A REGULAR INTERVAL DURING THE ACTIVITY. SO THAT LEADS TO A FACTOR OF POTENTIAL NOISE FROM CHILLERS AND MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
SO... WHAT STAFF HAVE LOOKED AT AND BEARING IN MIND THE NUMBER AND PUBLIC ACTIVITY OF PUBLIC OBJECTIONS TO THIS TYPE OF USE, WHAT WE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING IS TO ESSENTIALLY FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO REQUEST SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY COMMISSION WITH A DISCUSSION ITEM ON DATA CENTERS, RATHER THAN ALLOCATING A ZONING DISTRICT RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THERE'S HUGE PUBLIC DISQUIET ABOUT DATA CENTERS.
WIDER THAN THE CITY ITSELF. AND IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW,
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DIFFICULT FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AT THIS MOMENT WITH THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT STAFF CAN PUT IN FRONT OF YOU TO ACTUALLY RECOMMEND A PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT.THAT DISCUSSION IS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE'RE AT THIS MOMENT GOING TO NOT MAKE A PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE VIEW OF THE PLANNING BOARD, I THINK, NEEDS TO TAKE ACCOUNT OF THE NUMBER OF OBJECTIONS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. I THINK -- I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER, BUT I THINK IT'S MORE THAN A HUNDRED.
THANK YOU, MR. FREEMAN. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN WITH THIS.
I'M A LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER, TO BEAR WITH ME TODAY.
I GUESS FIRST WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT TO DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD. BOARD MEMBERS?
>> SO, I'LL START. SO, I APPRECIATE M, MR. FREEMAN, YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE I THINK THE ISSUE OF DATA CENTERS IS EVER-EVOLVING. SEEMS LIKE DAILY WE'RE SEEING MORE INFORMATION. AT A RECENT CITY COMMISSION MEETING, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER GAINS MENTIONED THAT HE HAD HEARD A PRESENTATION WHICH WAS MADE TO THE TREASURE COVE'S CONSUL OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS OR SOMETHING ALTHOUGH THIS VERY
>> AND INDICATED THAT HE FOUND THAT INFORMATIVE AND THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT HE FELT -- NOT TO BE SPEAKING FOR HIM -- THAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN.
AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
SO I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES OUT THERE.
THERE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY -- HAVE CONSIDERED OR ARE CONSIDERING PLACING MORATORIUMS ON THIS PARTICULAR USE, AND THAT CERTAINLY -- THAT HAS SOME LEGAL PARAMETERS AND CRITERIA. OBVIOUSLY, THAT HAS TO BE A BALANCE OF PROPERTY RIGHTS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC INTEREST, AND THAT IS -- MORATORIUMS ARE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO, I THINK, TO ALLOW LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO KIND OF CONSIDER, STUDY, DEVELOP A PERSPECTIVE ON THAT AND I -- THAT, IN THIS CONTEXT, I THINK THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT IS COULD BE -- SHOULD BE DISCUSSED BEYOND JUST THE PLANNING BOARD.
THE PLANNING BOARD IS A RECOMMENDING BODY.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN IMPORTANT STEP IN THE PROCESS.
THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY'S HERE. SO CAN I JUST ASK A PROCEDURAL QUESTION? IS THIS DETERMINATION OF A ZONING CATEGORY, IS THIS A PUBLIC HEARING MATTER? IS THIS -- OR WAS THIS -- I KNOW THAT THE REZONING ITEM WHICH NOW HAS BEEN MOVED TO AFTER THIS, THAT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT
THIS PARTICULAR? >> THIS IS A DETERMINATION BY THE PLANNING BOARD. THE DETERMINATION ITSELF DOES NOT GO ANY FURTHER THAN THE PLANNING BOARD.
IT'S LIKE A POLICY DECISION FOR STAFF TO UTILIZE THAT IN THE TABLE. STAFF WOULD ULTIMATELY AMEND THAT TABLE THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD, A REVIEW COMMITTEE AND THE CITY COMMISSION, BUT ESSENTIALLY, THIS MOMENT, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO MAKE A DETERMINATION FROM A POLICY POINT OF VIEW HOW STAFF WOULD REVIEW THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION, THE DATA CENTER. WHERE DOES IT FALL.
>> CAN I -- MAY I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT? SO, MR. FREEMAN, IT IS NOT UNUSUAL IN ZONING CODES THAT ARE OFTEN MANY DECADES OLD -- I'LL MAKE A STATEMENT AND THEN ASK YOU IF YOU AGREE. -- FOR USES NOT TO BE PRESENT IN
YES. >> SO, FIRST OF ALL, FROM -- FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT, THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL BECAUSE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE TIME, THE MONEY TO
CONSTANTLY UPDATE THEIR CODES. >> YES.
SO YOU GO -- >> THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PROCESSES THAT YOU GO THROUGH PERIODICALLY.
>> AND SOMETIMES IT -- THERE ARE USES -- RIGHT? -- THAT ARE NOT IN THE PUBLIC EYE AS PARTICULARLY THIS ONE.
SOMETIMES THERE ARE. SO THIS PROCESS IS NOT AN
>> SO THAT'S JUST PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
>> BECAUSE THIS IS A CODE PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT'S A VERY
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STAND-ALONE USE. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ASSOCIATE IT WITH ANY OF THE POTENTIAL VARIATION OF THAT USE, OR A DESCRIPTION OF THAT USE. MOST OF THE USES ACTUALLY IN THE TABLE CAN BE REALLY QUITE READILY ASSOCIATED TO SOMETHING ELSE OR A SIMILAR ACTIVITY. AND, YES, AS THINGS CHANGE IN THE ECONOMY, IN THE MARKET, USES SOMETIMES HAVE DESCRIPTION CHANGES. PEOPLE KNOW THEM BY DIFFERENT NAMES, BUT, ESSENTIALLY, THEY'RE ALMOST THE SAME, IF NOT THE SAME, AS SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY DESCRIBED IN THE USE TABLE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY REFERENCE TO DATA CENTERS IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, OR EVEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.SO THERE ARE NO REGULATING OR REVIEW STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE FOR DATA CENTERS. AND WE -- IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ASSOCIATE ANY OF THE USE, BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A COMPLEX ACTIVITY, BECAUSE IN MOST CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU SAY A WAREHOUSE BUILDING TYPE WITH EVERYTHING CONTAINED INSIDE WOULD BE A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE. HOWEVER, THIS IS A CROSSOVER WITH POTENTIAL NOISE, WATER, UTILITY-USE THAT WOULD NEED MORE SIGNIFICANT REVIEW PROCESS IN PLACE.
AN ACTUAL LOCATION OF THAT IS OBVIOUSLY ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.
LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES ARE USUALLY CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL THAN HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES. AND ONE OF THE PARAMETERS WITH A DATA CENTER IS OBVIOUSLY ITS IMPACT ON NEIGHBORHOODS AND RESIDENTIAL USES AND RESIDENTS THIS THOSE AREAS.
SO THIS IS, LIKE, A USE THAT FITS SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN LIGHT AND HEAVY. BUT LOCATIONAL...
WHERE IT'S PUT IS A VERY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.
SO, IF YOU -- YOU KNOW, IF IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE LIGHT, THEN OTHER LOCATIONS THAT ARE ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WOULD GET
THAT -- >> EXCUSE ME, FROM FREEMAN, IF EVERYONE COULD PLEASE SILENCE YOUR DEVICES.
>> SORRY. I'LL JUST REPEAT THAT LAST BIT: IF -- SO, YOU KNOW, IF THE DETERMINATION IS MADE THAT DATA INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY. THEN THAT PUTS THAT ENTITLEMENT ON TO ANY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE DISTRICT IN THE CITY, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE VERY PROXIMATE TO RESIDENTIAL.
I KNOW THE CITY HAS CONTROLS, WHICH WE ENFORCE, REGARDING NOISE, DISTURBANCE, NUISANCE AND SO FORTH, BUT WE'D RATHER HAVE THOSE SETTLED OUT THAN TRY AND ENFORCE THEM LATER.
>> ANYONE ELSE? >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO, THE DETERMINATION THAT WE MAKE TODAY, WILL THAT BE IN
PERPETUITY TO POTENTIAL -- >> LET ME EXPLAIN THAT A BIT FURTHER. SO, AT THE SAME TIME, STATE BILL 180 PROTECTS ENTITLEMENTS ON PROPERTY.
NOW, AT THE MOMENT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENTITLEMENTS ON ANY PROPERTY IN THE CITY FOR A DATA CENTER.
SO WHATEVER ACTION COMES OUT TODAY ENFORCES THAT ENTITLEMENT OR ENTITLES THAT ENTITLEMENT ON PROPERTIES.
SO, IN EFFECT, UP AND UNTIL STATE BILL -- THE REQUIREMENTS OF STATE BILL 180, WHICH EXPIRE, I THINK, IN OCTOBER 2027, UNLESS WE GET ANOTHER HURRICANE, THAT WOULD BE THE -- WE WOULD HAVE O HONOR THAT ENTITLEMENT. RIGHT NOW, AS WE DON'T HAVE THAT ENTITLEMENT ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SET STANDARDS TO DETERMINE WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE AND TO NOT HAVE IT LOCKED IN. SO THAT -- THE DECISION YOU MAKE TODAY, IF YOU DO MAKE A DECISION, WHATEVER IT IS, WILL EITHER ENTITLE A ZONING DISTRICT FOR THAT USE OR REQUEST MORE INFORMATION OR THROUGH THE CITY COMMISSION TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT. WHATEVER YOU THINK FEELS FIT.
I KNOW STAFF HAVE FACED A LOT OF EMAIL INQUIRIES, CONCERNS
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FROM THE PUBLIC, AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AN APPROPRIATE CONSIDERATION OF ALL THOSE ISSUES BEFORE WE DETERMINE AN ENTITLEMENT WHICH THEN IN EFFECT LOCKS THE CITY IN FOR A NUMBEROF YEARS. >> COULD -- MAY I? CAN I JUST CLARIFY THAT -- THE PROCESS.
SO, YOU READ THE CODE PROVISION. IT TALKS ABOUT THE PLANNING
BOARD MAKING A DETERMINATION. >> YES.
>> BUT IN ORDER FOR THAT TO BE CODIFIED OR WHATEVER, DOES THAT GO FORWARD BEFORE IT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED? WOULD IT REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE TO BE ENACTED? OR WOULD IT JUST SIMPLY BE AN INTERPRETATION THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS ADVISING YOU OF ITS INTERPRETATION.
FILL IN THE BLANK. >> I MEAN, YOU'VE WORKED WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CODES. YOU WORK IN DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES. DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES DO IT IN ALL DIFFERENT MANNERS. A COMMON FEATURE OF ZONING LISTS AND USES ALLOWED IN ZONES ARE -- IS DESIGNATED TO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. IF THE PLANNING DIRECTOR DETERMINES IT'S SIMILAR TO A USE OR A NEW CATEGORY OF USE CAN BE APPROPRIATELY PLACED IN A ZONING TABLE, THEN THAT DETERMINATION WOULD BE MADE ON THE POLICY POINT OF VIEW, WHICH IS, IN ESSENCE, WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE CARRIED FORWARD IN ANY REVISIONS TO THE CODE. ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE CODIFIED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. BUT THIS IS A POLICY DECISION INSTRUCTING STAFF OF HOW TO HANDLE THE USE OF DATA CENTER AND WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT TO PLACE THAT IN. IF I COULD ADD: SO, OBVIOUSLY, WHAT WE HAVE LATER ON IN THIS AGENDA, THE NEXT ITEM, IS A REQUEST TO REZONE TO A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
AND THERE IS CONSIDERATION WITHIN THAT THE POTENTIAL USE OF A DATA CENTER. WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR A DATA CENTER WITH THE APPLICATION. IT'S A REZONING.
THE APPLICANT HAS MADE US AWARE THAT A DATA CENTER IS ONE.
POONE OF THEPOTENTIAL USES THATE LOOKING TO PUT THERE.
SO THIS EFFECTS TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, IN EFFECT.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO ESTABLISH WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD ARE COMFORTABLE WITH RIGHT NOW AND, AS I SAY, I THINK BEARING IN MIND THE NUMBER OF OBJECTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED AND THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WAY FORWARD IN TERMS OF ESTABLISHING THE VARIOUS TYPES OF CATEGORY ANALYSES THAT WOULD BE CARRIED OUT ON THIS, AND THERE ARE STATE STATUTE REQUIREMENTS ON DATA CENTERS NOW THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ESTABLISH AND CODIFY IN SOME WAY. SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS, I THINK, DESERVE A WIDER INPUT TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF. AND IT MAY BE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATION TURNED INTO A CODIFICATION OF THIS BY SOME CITY COMMISSION INSTRUCTION TO STAFF TO DO IT A CERTAIN WAY.
>> IF I MAY... SINCE -- IT IS IMPORTANT, I AGREE WITH YOU, 100%. I ACTUALLY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING ANY DETERMINATION.
THE ONLY THING I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IS TO PUT IT BACK ON YOU. CONTINUE WITH THIS.
BECAUSE YOU NEED YOU TO DO THE RESEARCH AND BRING IT BACK TO US AS TO HOW ARE THE CITIES TREATING THESE KINDS OF BUILDINGS? YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST SAYING IT'S AN L-1.
IT'S N JUST NOT, BECAUSE OBVIOUY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED, SO WE NEED TO DO A LOT MORE RESEARCH BEFORE WE CATEGORIZE IT AS ANYTHING.
ATTACH IT TO ANYTHING. AT LEAST THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT
IT. >> OKAY, MR. FREEMAN: JUST CLARIFICATION. IF WE PUSH THIS FORWARD AND NOT DECIDE TODAY, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE ITEM?
>> WELL, LET'S CONSIDER THIS FIRST, THIS DISCUSSION.
SO I THINK WHAT STAFF WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH FROM OUR OWN POINT OF VIEW AND SATISFYING THE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INTEREST IN THIS, IS TO OPEN THIS DISCUSSION UP TO A CITY COMMISSION DISCUSSION ITEM, WHERE THEY CAN GIVE FEEDBACK.
STAFF WOULD THEN PREPARE EITHER A FURTHER REVIEW OF WHAT THE
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CITY COMMISSION RECOMMENDED, OR -- AND ALSO POTENTIALLY COME BACK WITH A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO INCORPORATE THIS, WHICH WOULD THEN OBVIOUSLY GO THROUGH TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND B BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AS A PARTICULAR ITEM. EVERYBODY -- THE COMMUNITY WOULD GET FULL INVOLVEMENT WITH THIS, AND THE COMMISSION WOULD HEAR THAT. SO, IT WOULD THEN FINALIZE ITSELF AT THE CITY COMMISSION, WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD. THIS IS NOT SIMPLE.>> ANYONE ELSE? >> I HAVE -- I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. BUT SINCE WE ARE THE PLANNING BOARD, WOULDN'T IT BE MORE, I GUESS -- YOU KNOW, IN THE INTERESTS OF SAVING THE CITY COMMISSION THEIR TIME, SHOULDN'T WE START WITH OUR RESEARCH AND OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THEM INSTEAD OF ASKING THEM TO JU JUST,...
YOU KNOW, AND MOVE IT BACK, BUS BECAUSE WE ULTIMATELY SIT AND DECIDE AND UNDERSTAND THINGS AT A MUCH DEEPER LEVEL THAN THEY
DO. >> AND I UNDERSTAND THAT POINT OF VIEW. THE WAY THAT WE WERE THINKING IS DO YOU WANT ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY COMMISSION BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR FINAL -- WE WILL BRING BACK THAT FEEDBACK FROM CITY COMMISSION AND THE RESEARCH THAT WE'VE DONE, AND THEN IT WOULD COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
>> BUT WOULDN'T THAT BE THE REVERSE, THOUGH? I MEAN, IF WE ARE SITTING, YOU KNOW, AND ASKED TO BE DETERMINING WHAT ZONING THIS CAN FALL UNDER, THEN WHY CAN'T WE ASK THE STAFF TO DO THE RESEARCH AND THEN PRESENT IT TO US SO THEN WE CAN SAY, YES, YOU KNOW, OR MAYBE WE NEED A CREATE A NEW ONE AND THEN SEND THAT TO THE CITY AND HAVE THEM --
>> YES. >> VERSUS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
>> I THINK YOU RAISE GOOD POINT, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MORE EFFICIENT WAY OF DOING IT, RATHER THAN GOING -- TRY TO GO IN A CIRCLE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK -- WELL, STAFF WOULD DURING THAT RESEARCH BE CONSULTING WITH COMMISSIONERS ONE-ON-ONE TO TRY AND GET SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT THEIR OPINIONS ON WHERE WE SHOULD BE GOING, AND THEN THAT OVERALL BODY OF RESEARCH WOULD BE THEN PRESENTED TO PLANNING BOARD.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A MORE EFFICIENT WAY OF DOING THAT.
SO I TAKE YOUR POINT. IT'S A GOOD POINT.
>> AND I ACTUALLY -- YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS RESEARCHING, SINCE THIS IS SUCH A RELATIVELY NEW -- AND JUST SO IMPACTFUL AND THERE'S SO MUCH PUBLIC INTEREST IN IT.
I WOULD THINK THAT -- YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN ALL SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN -- WE DO COME TOGETHER AND DECIDE THESE THINGS, SO I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COOPERATE WITH RESEARCH.
>> WE'LL TRY AND GET YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN.
THAT'S WHAT WE COMMIT TO, ANYWAY.
SO WE'LL TRY AND FILL THIS OUT. >> MR. FREEMAN, ARE YOU RECOMMENDING TO THIS BOARD THAT THE CITY COMMISSION -- COMMISSIONERS ADD THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR DISCUSSION?
IS IT AN ITEM FOR DISCUSSION -- >> FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD JUST NOW, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING BOARD, I THINK, IS MOVING TOWARDS HAVING STAFF COME BACK AND PRESENT MORE ANALYSIS OF THIS ITEM BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD MAKE A DECISION AND RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COMMISSION.
>> I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY.
SO THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. IT'S -- THE FINAL DECISION-MAKERS ARE THE COMMISSIONERS, SO THE IDEA THAT IT'S AN ITEM FOR INFORMATION. I THINK IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, TO BE INVOLVED. JUST FOR THE GENERAL EXPOSURE.
BUT IF -- IF WE MAKE NO DECISION TODAY, WHICH I PERSONALLY WOULD RECOMMEND, YOUR RESEARCH WILL COME BACK TO US WITH FRAMING BETTER. I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, I'M HEARING WE'RE NOT SURE IF IT'S LIGHT INDUSTRY OR INDUSTRY.
WE'RE NOT SURE HOW TO FRAME THE ZONING ON IT.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO SET THE CONTROLS.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION AT
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ALL TODAY. >> I GUESS MY CONCERN WITH THAT APPROACH OF NOT SENDING IT TO THE COMMISSIONER IS THAT IT DOESN'T GIVE THE PUBLIC ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
WHEREAS IF WE DO TAKE IT FROM HERE, YOU TAKE IT TO THE COMMISSIONER, AS WELL AS YOU GO BACK AND DO YOUR ADDITIONAL RESEARCH, IT GIVES THEM TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO MEET WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO MEET WITH THE PLANNING BOARD. THIS IS A VERY BIG ITEM FOR THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT THEY DESERVE AND DESIRE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. BUT WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY HOURS IN A DAY.
KEEP THAT IN MIND. IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE?
>> YES, BECAUSE I'M MAYBE -- WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT I HEARD MR. FREEMAN SAY.
THIS -- THIS PROVISION IN THE CODE SAYS THE CITY PLANNING BOARD MAY PERMIT IN A PARTICULAR ZONE A USE NOT LISTED IN THIS CHAPTER, PROVIDED, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...
MY QUESTION THAT I ASKED YOU BEFORE, AND I THINK I GOT THE ANSWER, WAS THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY GO FORWARD TO THE
>> IT WOULD JUST BE, IN A SENSE, DIRECTION TO STAFF TO TREAT THIS USE. SO, IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY GENERATE AN ITEM BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION.
NOW -- AND NOT TO BE TOO ACADEMIC, AND FOR THE PUBLIC...
JUST SO -- YOU KNOW, I -- SHALL I? I FUNCTION -- I HAVE A LAW LICENSE.
I'VE BEEN A LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAND USE AND ZONING ATTORNEY, AND I STILL PRACTICE THAT, AND SO I APOLOGIZE TO THE STAFF, BUT I -- YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, SO I'M KIND OF THINKING OUT LOUD.
BUT ALSO MY EFFORT IS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC
>> A POTENTIAL OTHER OPTION IS FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO ASK STAFF TO BEGIN WORK ON A POTENTIAL ORDINANCE CHANGE TO CODIFY SOMETHING, AND THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARILY EXCLUSIVE PATHS.
THE PLANNING BOARD PROVIDES -- WOULD HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE AS WELL.
IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE FORMALIZED PROCESS.
IT WOULD BE AN ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M JUST -- I'M THINKING OUT LOUD, AND YOU CAN TELL ME THAT'S
ENOUGH. >> YOU DO HAVE IT RIGHT.
YOU DO HAVE IT RIGHT. CORRECT.
IF A DECISION WAS MADE BY THE ALONG BOARD TONIGHT -- WELL, THIS AFTERNOON, TO ALLOCATE A ZONING DISTRICT, IN ESSENCE, THAT WOULD BE THE END OF IT FROM CITY COMMISSION'S POINT OF VIEW AND STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW, AND WE WOULD, BY POLICY, ALLOCATE THAT ZONING DISTRICT TO ANY DATA CENTER WHEREVER IT WAS OR WHENEVER IT CAME IN. THERE WOULD BE LATER REQUIREMENT AT SYSTEM POINT TO ACTUALLY CODIFY THIS AND PUT IT IN THE REGULATIONS TO MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER, AND THAT'S WHEN WE GET INTO THE ENTITLEMENT ISSUE. BECAUSE ONCE YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, IT'S PUT INTO POLICY.
THEN THAT USE BECOMES ENTITLED IN THAT PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT. AND I THINK YOU, AS WELL AS STAFF, WOULD WANT TO SEE CITY COMMISSION HAVE THE ULTIMATE DETERMINATION OF THAT. SO THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THIS THAT LEAD IN SOME WAY TO THE CITY COMMISSION MAKING THE ULTIMATE DETERMINATION.
ALL OF THOSE ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF MAKING THE ALTERNATIVE DETERMINATION THAT DOESN'T LOCK SOMETHING INTO AN ENTITLEMENT SITUATION IS TO DIRECT STAFF IN SOME WAY TO BRING IT BACK HERE WITH MORE RESEARCH BEFORE WE CREATE THE ORDINANCE, OR HAVE A DISCUSSION IN FRONT OF CITY COMMISSION FOR THEM TO DIRECT STAFF WITH THE PARAMETERS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE.
NOTHING TO PREVENT PLANNING BOARD TO CONFIRM THE PARAMETERS THAT THEY WANT TO USE ON THIS. BUT I THINK THIS IS SUCH A BIG ISSUE. I KNOW IT'S SUCH A BIG ISSUE, THAT I THINK AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN GET TO WEIGH IN ON THIS,
THE BETTER. >> LET ME SUGGEST THAT WE MEET MONTHLY, WHICH MEANS JUST THAT. IF YOU DO A DRILL-DOWN WITH MORE RESEARCH REGARDING THIS KIND OF USE AND ZONING AND SO FORTH AND
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IMPACT, IN THE MEANTIME, MS. CLEMONS JUST SAID SHE WOULD LIKE TO -- I THINK YOU WERE SAYING THAT -- DISCUSSION WHICH IS NOT UP FOR VOTE BY THE COMMISSIONERS, IS ANOTHER EXPOSURE, AND THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BEFORE WE MEET AGAIN.SO THAT THIS GIVES MORE OPPORTUNITY THAT THAT GROUP MAY COME BACK WITH MORE QUESTIONS EVEN BEYOND WHAT YOU INTERNALLY ARE DOING RESEARCH-WISE. SO I THINK IT'S JUST -- I'M AGREEING. IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN THIS THING UP AND LEARN MORE, UNDERSTAND MORE.
SO, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN ITEM FOR DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT COMMISSIONERS' MEETING, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE IT -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT FORM IT WOULD BE IN, IF IT'S GOING TO BE IN RECOMMENDATION FORM OR -- AGAIN A MONTH FROM NOW, BUT WE JUST NEED MORE INFORMATION -- OR THIS PERSON NEEDS MORE INFORMATION.
>> WELL, THEN, IF I MAY, THEN... BUT AREN'T WE KIND OF JUST KICKING IT FORWARD AND LITTLE TOO SOON? IDEALLY, OF THESE -- I GUESS WHERE MY COMFORT LEVEL AND LEGITIMACY OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TO KIND OF GET THE -- YOU KNOW, THE BRUNT OF THINGS BEFORE WE PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSIONERS. YOU KNOW, AND THESE PEOPLE -- I MEAN, I'M SURE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANT TO BE WAITING ON MEETINGS AND MORE MEETINGS, AND SOMETIMES THE MEETINGS, YOU GET TWO MINUTES, THREE MINUTES, WHATEVER IT IS.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE HEARD, BUT I THINK FROM -- YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT YOU DO, THE DEPTH YOU GO INTO ANALYZING THINGS, I THINK IT WOULD BE ALMOST -- I FEEL LIKE ALMOST OUR DUTY TO REALLY DIVE INTO THIS SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE IT CLEAR WITHOUT TYING UP THE COMMISSIONERS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOTS OF STUFF HAPPENING THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH.
AND I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT IT KIND OF JUST -- I GUESS, NOT SATISFYING THE PUBLIC'S INTERESTS AND CLARITY AND TRANSPARENCY. FOR ME, THAT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY IMPORTANT, SO IT WOULD BE -- AS GREAT AS KEN DOES, WHAT HE DOES TO DIG INTO IT, IF WE COULD PUT IT ON -- LET'S JUST SAY, A MONTH FROM TODAY. HOWEVER MUCH TIME YOU NEED.
WHATEVER. TO COME BACK TO SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SO WE CAN MAYBE DISCUSS.
YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE ALL EXPERIENCED AND THEN SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE COME UP WITH, BECAUSE WE ARE BASING IT ON OUR EXPERIENCES
AND KNOWLEDGE. >> MR. FREEMAN CAN DO ALL OF THAT FOR US, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I WOULD RECOMMEND -- I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT AS AN ITEM FOR INFORMATION FOR THE COMMISSIONERS SO THEY CAN STILL BOUNCE AROUND IT AND WE CAN STILL BE RECEIVING INFORMATION AS WELL.
BUT I THINK THE EXPOSURE OUTTA BE THERE, THAT THEY GET INVOLVED BEFORE THEY'RE SEEING A RECOMMENDATION FROM US.
>> BUT YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM VOTING ON ANYTHING SPECIFIC. IT'S JUST INFORMATION ONLY?
>> I'M SORRY? >> ARE YOU -- AM I UNDERSTANDING YOU RIGHT, THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE DISCUSSION AGENDA THAT THEY WOULD THEN BE VOTING ON?
JUST A CONVERSATION? >> IT JUST GETS IT UP ON THE TABLE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO START TO TALK ABOUT IT.
RIGHT. >> SO, IF THERE'S NO DETERMINATION ON D, DOES C NOT OCCUR ON TODAY'S --
>> WE'D HAVE TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND SEE IF HE WANTS THE REZONING TO CONTINUE TO I-1.
IT'S STILL ON THE TABLE. >> AN
>> AT THIS TIME, OR NO? >> ON D.
ON C. >> SO, IF THAT DOES NOT OCCUR, DOES IT AT LEAST BEHOOVE US TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THERE'S OVER 145 PEOPLE HERE, MULTIPLE REPORTERS. LIKE, THE MOST WE'VE EVER SEEN IN THIS ROOM? HEARD THAT.
>> THAT'S -- >> CHAIR, THAT'S ENTIRELY AT THE DETERMINATION OF THE PLANNING BOARD, YEAH.
HOLDING 08 PA 80 PAGES OF EMAILS THAT HAVE COME IN.
SO AT LEAST NOTHING, IT AT LEAST MAKES SENSE TO POINT THAT OUT SO THAT THE COMMISSION KNOWS ABOUT IT.
>> SO, MR. FREEMAN, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A MOTION? OR DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION FOR US?
>> A RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A RECOMMENDATION, HOWEVER DON THAS DONE, M FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
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IT MAY BE BEST TO HAVE A LITTLE VOTE ON IT.I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WOULD BE A OKAY.
>> HAVE A MOTION? >> I THINK, MR. WIDING, YOUR -- MAKE THAT AS A MOTION, AND I'LL SECOND IT.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ASK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO COME BACK TO US NEXT MONTH WITH BETTER FRAMING OF THIS ITEM, AND I WOULD ASK FORMALLY FOR A VOTE, THAT WE ASK IT TO BE AN ITEM FOR DISCUSSION AT THE COMMISSIONERS' NEXT MEETING.
>> OR AS SOON AS THEY COULD AGENDA IT, BECAUSE THOSE MEETINGS ARE OFTEN OUT -- WAY OUT, RIGHT? SORRY. SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
>> CHAIR, BEAR IN MIND, I THINK THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING.
SO IT'S OUT OF LINE WITH THE MONTHLY THING, SO WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE MONTH OR MORE. SO THE NEXT MONTH WOULD BE VERY QUICK FOR THE PLANNING BOARD WHEN THEY MEET NEXT, SO...
THE RECOMMENDATION TO BRING IT BACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO THE NEXT -- WELL, WHEN WE'VE DONE THE RESEARCH, TO BRING IT BACK WHEN WE'VE COMPLETED THAT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THAT INPUT FROM THE CITY COMMISSION. IT'S DIFFICULT TO SET A TIMELINE, BECAUSE I NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THE CITY COMMISSION ARE GOING TO HAVE AN AVAILABLE SLOT.
I THINK THAT WILL BE ON A DAY MEETING, WHEN -- SO THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE OCTOBER. EARLY OCTOBER.
AND THEN THAT WOULD MAYBE TAKE THE PLANNING BOARD INTO
NOVEMBER. >> THE GOOD BUSINESS OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE COLLECTIVELY HAS A REALLY FULL -- I DOUBT THAT YOU COME BACK IN A MONTH TO US WITH FRAMED RESEARCH. I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE LONGER THAN THAT, SO I'D LIKE JUST THE COMMISSIONERS TO BE WIRED. THAT'S REALLY THE POINT.
>> OKAY. MR. WIDING, CAN YOU RESTATE
YOUR MOTION, THEN? >> ALL RIGHT.
I WOULD MOTION THAT THIS BOARD ASK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DO DEEPER RESEARCH OF THIS AGENDA ITEM AND COME BACK TO US WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE, WHEN YOU'VE GOT MORE -- AND THIS MAY COME IN LULLS. IT MAY TAKE TIME.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I WITH RESPECT TO EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE GOT GOING, SO I REALLY QUESTION WHETHER THEY COME BACK NEXT MONTH TO US WITH AN ANSWER.
SO I MADE THAT MOTION. >> AND I'LL SECOND IT.
>> THANK YOU. >> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED. IF YOU COULD PLEASE CALL THE
>> YES. >> THE MOTION HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
.I'VE GOT A SECOND MOTION. >> I HAVE A SECOND MOTION, AND IT'S THAT THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMEND TO THE CITY THAT THEY PUT THIS ITEM ON THEIR NEXT MEETING AS AN ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.
>> THE CITY COMMISSION. >> THE CITY COMMISSIONERS,
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.
CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? >> MR. GROMEK?
>> YES. VICE-PRESIDENT CLEMONS?
[c. PZZAM2026-00002 Zoning Atlas Map Amendment Willow Lakes Rezoning 10050 W. Midway Road]
SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM C ON THE AGENDA, SINCE WE MOVED THAT ITEM UP. ZONING APPLICATION MAP.WILLOW LAKE REZONING. >> MS. CLEMONS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO SHARE THAT WE'VE CONCLUDED THAT ITEM FOR TODAY, THAT IF
EVERYBODY ASSOCIATED WITH IT. >> -- NO.
>> THIS IS THE RELATED -- >> ARE YOU SERIOUS?
>> IT'S COMING. >> RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU LIVE HERE. RAISE YOUR HAND.
NO, STOP PUSHING IT BACK.. THERE'S NO REASON TO PUSH IT
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BACK.CITY. >> WOULD SOMEBODY GET THE DEPUTY
TO GET HER OUTTA HERE. >> WE'RE GOING TO GET SECURITY.
HE SAID IT'S CONCLUDED. THEY'RE GOING TO PUSH IT BACK TO NEXT MONTH.
>> YOU SEE ALL THESE PEOPLE HERK THE --
>> WHY ARE WE HERE IF WE DON'T HAVE A VOICE? WHAT'S THE POINT OF THIS.
>> C IS BEHIND D. WE FLIPPED EVERYTHING.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, EVERYONE.
IF WE COULD QUIET DOWN. MOVING ON TO ITEM C.
>> LET ME APOLOGIZE. THAT -- C. IS THAT RIGHT?
>>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'LL JUST --
>> CHAIR, CAN I JUST...? >> YES, PLEASE, MR. FREEMAN.
>> CAN WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF CALM, PLEASE.
THEY -- THE ITEM THAT YOU'VE JUST HEARD HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT WILL GO TO CITY COMMISSION FOR THEIR INPUT ON THE WHOLE CATEGORY OF WHAT WE CALL -- OR HOW WE DEAL WITH DATA CENTERS.
IT WILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THEIR REVIEW OF FURTHER RESEARCH. THIS NEXT ITEM DEALS WITH A REZONING REQUEST, WHICH ESSENTIALLY DOES NOT INCLUDE A SITE PLAN FOR A DATA CENTER, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS MENTIONED THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE POTENTIAL USES THEY'RE LOOKING AT ON THIS PROPERTY. SO, THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FOR A COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
SO, BEARING IN MIND THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A CATEGORY YET DETERMINED FOR A DATA CENTER, IT WILL BE UP TO THE APPLICANT WHETHER THEY WANT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE REZONING FOR I-1 IF THEY ARE COMMITTED TO USING THIS PROPERTY -- OR REQUESTING THE USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IN FUTURE TO BE USED AS A DATA CENTER.
SO, AT THE MOMENT, WE DO NOT HAVE THE ENTITLEMENTS IN PLACE TO ALLOW THAT USE, WHICH WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF BRINGING THE FIRST ITEM TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO WHAT WE HAVE FROM THIS -- I THINK IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO PURSUE THIS ZONING RIGHT NOW, OR AWAIT THE DETERMINATION OF THE PLANNING BOARD LATER AND THE INPUT FROM THE CITY COMMISSION DURING THAT BEFORE THEY COMMIT TO REZONING FOR A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND...
THAT WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, BECAUSE THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR THEM NOT TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY AND REQUEST EITHER A CONTINUATION OR A TABLING OF THIS ITEM.
>> IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? >> YES.
>> PLEASE STEP FORWARD. >> VICE-CHAIR CLEMONS, WE NEED
TO TAKE A SHORT RECESS. >> OKAY.
>> LET'S DO -- ARE WE OKAY? CAN WE JUST DO THIS?
>> HI, MADAM CHAIR. MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER. I'D LIKE TO REQUEST A SHORT RECESS. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE CHAMBER, IF YOU DON'T MIND, SO I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT.
>> DO WE WANT TO PROCEED? >> LEE DOBBINS WITH LAW FIRM HERE IN FORT PIERCE, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
IN LIGHT OF THE LAST AGENDA ITEM, WE WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THE
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APPLICATION -->> TABLE THE APPLICATION TO A DATE UNCERTAIN.
>> OKAY. THE APPLICANT HAS CHOSEN TO TABLE THIS ITEM. THEREFORE, WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING ON TO ITEM A. THERE WILL NOT BE ANY PUBLIC
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ITEM. >> DOES IT REQUIRE A MOTION BY
WE ONLY MAKE A MOTION ON SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S SAYING. >> WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION.
WE'LL LET THEM CLEAR OUT. >> I THINK YOU SHOULD DO IT.
>> OKAY. I WANT THEM TO CLEAR OUT.
>> MAYBE WE SHOULD DO IT NOW. CALL THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
GOING TO BE ON THE RECORD WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
>> IF YOU COULD EXIT THE BUILDING, PLEASE.
THE MEETING IS IT STILL GOING ON.
QUIETLY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE EXIT QUIETLY. THE MEETING IS IS STILL GOING ON. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> AGAIN, THE APPLICANT HAS CHOSEN TO TABLE THIS ITEM. THE BOARD DOES STILL NEED TO TAKE A MOTION WHETHER TO TABLE THE ITEM FOR FURTHER REVIEW.
I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION AT THIS TIME.
>> SO I'D L LIKE MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TABLE THIS MOTION AND BRING IT BACK TO A DATE UNCERTAIN, WHICH WOULD THEN, IF IT DOES COME BACK, WOULD REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES, AND SO THE PUBLIC WOULD THEREFORE BE INFORMD. AND THAT'S MORE EDITORIAL.
I'M SORRY, BUT JUST FOR THE BENEFIT...
SO, YES, TO ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TABLE IT.
>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
[a. PD2025-00006 Final Planned Development West Orange Parcel ID(s): 2407-211-0001-000-0; 2407-212-0001-000-3; 2407-231-0000-000-5; 2407-241-0001-000-3]
THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM A. PB202500006.FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT WEST ORANGE.
MR. FREEMAN, YOU'RE UP NEXT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR. KEN FREEMAN, PLANNING DIRECTOR.
I STILL HAVE MY VOICE. THAT'S GOOD NEWS.
SO, THIS IS AN APPLICATION WHICH IMPLEMENTS THE FIRST PHASE -- WELL, IT'S THEE PHASES OF THE FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN OF A PREVIOUSLY-APPROVED MASTER SITE PLAN FOR A DEVELOPMENT CALLED WEST ORANGE. THAT ORIGINAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION ON FEBRUARY THE 21ST, 2023. AND THAT WAS THROUGH ORDINANCE 23-013. IT ESTABLISHED A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING AND A PRELIMINARY OVERALL MASTER PLAN FOR APPROXIMATELY 84.8 ACRES. THE CURRENT APPLICATION REPRESENTS THE NEXT STAGE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PD AND LOOKS AT A FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR A PORTION OF THE 84.8 ACRES OF 56.62 ACRES, AND THIS IS PART OF THE LARGER MASTER PLAN, AND IT WAS ANTICIPATED AT THAT TIME IT WOULD BE DONE IN PHASES. THESE ARE PROPOSALS FOR FOUR OF THE PARCELS WITHIN THE MASTER. NOW, THIS 56.62 ACRES LOOKS AT A PROVISION OF 450 TOWNHOME UNITS DISTRIBUTED ACROSS TWO RESIDENTIAL PHASES. PHASE 1 CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 29.74 ACRES WITH 256 TOWNHOMES, A CLUBHOUSE, AND ASSOCIATED RECREATIONAL AMENITIES.
PHASE 2 CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 22.69 ACRES, WITH
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194 TOWNHOMES, AND PHASE 3 IS THE COMMERCIAL PART OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, AND AT THIS MOMENT, THE CURRENT APPLICATION SETS OUT THE BOUNDARY AND INTERCONNECTION WITH THE OTHER PHASES FROM PHASE 3 AND THE -- WHAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS: THAT THIS FINAL PD RECOMMENDATION ON APPROVAL DOES NOT AUTHORIZE ANY VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE COMMERCIAL PIECE. THAT WOULD BE COMING FORWARD AT A LATER TIME. SO, THAT SORT OF REITERATES A LOT OF WHAT I'VE JUST BEEN SAYING.SO WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THAT'S IN REVIEW BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AT THE MOMENT.
SO WE'RE -- IS IN REVIEW, AND THAT'S LIKELY TO BE -- NEEDS TO BE APPROVED PRIOR TO THE -- ANY CITY COMMISSION HEARING.
AND IT PROVIDES THAT, IF THERE'S AN UNRESOLVED CONFLICT BETWEEN THE FINAL PD DEVELOPMENT AND ORDINANCE 23-013, THE MORE RESTRICTIVE APPLICABLE REQUIREMENT CONTROLS, UNLESS OTHERWISE DETERMINED BY THE CITY, OR WITHIN THIS REVISED SITE PLAN. SO, THIS LOCATION, ORANGE AVENUE. YOU CAN SEE THE CITY LIMITS AT THIS POINT. FAIRLY BROKEN.
A CLOSE-UP VIEWS OF THE FUTURE LAND USE IS -- RELATIVELY HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, WITH THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL BEING IN THE LOWER PART FRONTING ORANGE AVENUE.
THE ZONING IS ALL ENTITLED WITH WEST ORANGE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE AREA NAMED PHASE 1 IN THE APPLICATION CONSIDERS THE FOUR PARCELS TO THE EAST, THE REMAIN PARCEL TO THE WEST WOULD NEED TO COME IN AT A FUTURE TIME TO ESTH WHAT THAT PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT IS LIKELY TO BE.
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
SO THIS REQUEST REPRESENTS AN IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PREVIOUSLY-APPROVED WEST ORANGE MASTER PD FOR 56.62 ACRES OF THE FINAL PD AREA, WHILE RETAINING ORDINANCE 23-013 AS THE OVERALL APPROVAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. SO, THIS SITE PLAN IS WHAT'S BEING PUT FORWARD AS THIS SECTION OF DEVELOPMENT FOR WEST ORANGE. YOU CAN SEE PHASE 1, PHASE 2, AND PHASE 3 MORE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED ON THE PHASING PLAN.
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THE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL DOES CONTAIN PARAMETERS FOR WHEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE GETS PUT IN AND THE SIDEWALKS CONSTRUCTED DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OF ALL THESE PHASES.AND ALSO THE -- WHEN THE AMENITIES COME ONLINE.
SO WE'VE CONSIDERED THIS, AND IT'S BEEN THROUGH THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. THE PLANNING STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE BRINGING FORWARD TO THE PLANNING BOARD: A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THE FINAL PD SITE PLAN AS PRESENTED, AND ALSO STAFF FURTHER RECOMMEND THAT THE APPROVAL EXPRESSLY RECOGNIZE THAT THE PRESENT FINAL PD AUTHORIZES THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT OF PROGRAM 4 PHASES 1 AND 2 AND ESTABLISHES PHASE 3 AS A FUTURE COMMERCIAL TRACT, REQUIRING SEPARATE FINAL PD APPROVAL BEFORE ANY VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT TAKES PLACE.
SO THAT WOULD MEAN IT WOULD COME BACK -- THAT ADDITIONAL PIECE OF THE PD WOULD COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF REVIEW. THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO APPROVE WITH ALTERNATIVE CONDITIONS OR DENY THE REQUEST.
SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS, AND I CAN GO THROUGH THOSE, IF YOU WISH. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM.
26 IN TOTAL. I THOUGHT YOU WERE A SPEED
>> SHALL I GO RIGHT FROM THE -- I'LL GIVE YOU THE TITLE OF EACH CONDITION. IF YOU NEED ANY MORE DETAIL ON THAT, THEN WE CAN GO INTO THAT MORE.
THE WEST ORANGE PLANNING BOARD. IT OUTLINES THE APPROVED PLANS.
IT CONFIRMS THE DEVELOPMENT OF PHASING AND THE AREAS OF THOSE PHASING. IT CONFIRMS THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT COMES THROUGH AND WHAT REQUIREMENTS WOULD THAT BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH.
>> COULD I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER 5?
WOULD THAT BE OKAY? >> WE'RE GOING TO HOLD OFF ON THE QUESTIONS UNTIL HE FINISHES THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU DON'T
>> GO AHEAD, MR. FREEMAN. >> NUMBER 6, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY 7.4.11. THAT LOOKS AT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO HAVE A HURRICANE-STRENGTH RESISTANT BUILDING, AND THAT IS A CONDITION.
FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ACCESS APPROVAL.
WE HAVE ORANGE AVENUE ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS.
A NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT ROADWAY.
THE DRIVEWAY, THROAT AND GATE STACKING TO ENSURE THAT TRAFFIC DOES NOT SPILL OVER ON TO ORANGE AVENUE, IF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO GET INTO THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FROM FDOF TO LOOK AT LEFT TURN QUEUE ANALYSIS.
LIMITING THE SAME DEPARTMENTAL COMMENT, REALLY CONNECTED TO LIMITATION ON ADDITIONAL ORANGE AVENUE ACCESS.
RIGHT OF WAY AND DRAINAGE. AGAIN, PROVIDE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION AND IMPROVEMENTS. ANY MODIFICATION OF THE PROPOSED PLAN ABOVE WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS WOULD NEED CONTINUED FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION COMPLIANCE, AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT MAY TRIGGER A REVISIT OF THE APPROVAL.
GENERAL KIN ROAD OVERLAY INTERCONNECTIVELY.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PRESERVING THE WESTERN INTERCONNECTION FOR FUTURE CONNECTIVITY WITH THE REMAINING MASTER PD PROPERTY, UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE CITY, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO
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RETAIN THAT KIND OF INTERCONNECTIVITY.PHASE 1 INFRASTRUCTURE. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TIMELINE OF PHASING AND WHAT IS PUT IN TO THAT PHASING AND BUILT. THE STATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
STORM WATER. PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS.
RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES. GETTING THE CLUB HOUSE IN THERE AT A CERTAIN TRIGGER POINT OF COMPLETION OF THE PHASE 1 DWELLING UNITS. PEDESTRIAN ADA IMPROVEMENTS.
AGAIN, WE'RE SECURING OR LOOKING TO SECURE A CONTINUOUS ACCESSIBLE PEDESTRIAN ROUTE. SHALL BE AVAILABLE FOR EACH OCCUPIED RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF BUILDINGS, AND THE PHASING OF THAT.
WE WANT THE RESPONSIBILITY TO BE ENGAGED HERE WITH ALLOWING FOLKS IF THEY ARE IN OCCUPANCY OF A BUILDING TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE FACILITIES. LANDSCAPING, TREE MITIGATION, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IN MORE DETAIL AT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMITTING POINT. WE NEED FORMAL WETLAND JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION AND PROTECTED SPECIES SURVEY.
LOOKING AT ANY SITE CLEARANCE APPROVALS, AND, AGAIN, STORM WATER FACILITIES NEED TO BE IN PLACE AND CONSTRUCTED AND COME APPLY WITH SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THE NORTH RIVER WATER CONTROL DISTRICT.
AND THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR THINGS THAT WE SHOULD GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THERE...?
>> SO THE UNITY OF TITLE CONDITION.
AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE UNITS WILL NOT BE SOLD? THAT IT'S A -- IS THIS A CONDOMINIUM-TYPE, OR IT SAYS IT'S -- THE PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO BE PLATED PLATTED. SO THAT'S THE CONTEXT OF THIS?
>> I THINK WE'LL GET MORE CONFIRMATION FROM THE APPLICANT OF HOW FAR IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT OUT HERE.
THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.
>> ALL RIGHT. AND MAYBE THE OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE ARE MAYBE FOR THE APPLICANT, IF THE APPLICANT'S
GOING TO -- >> IT MAY BE BEST.
SOME OF THE DETAILS TO -- I MEAN, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION. YOU MIGHT GET SOME ANSWERS FROM
THE PRESENTATION. >> CAN I JUST ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. I NOTICE THAT -- A FINAL PUD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. I'VE SEEN THOSE BEFORE.
THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS THE FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR PRIVILEGE DEVELOPMENT. THAT HAS A PUD AGREEMENT.
NOT SOMETHING CALLED A FINAL PUD DEVELOPMENT DEVEL AGREEMENT.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO RESOLVE THAT.
IT DEPENDS ON THE ATTORNEY WHO SUBMITS THEM.
>> I KIND OF GATHERED THAT. BUT ACTIVES TRYING TO COMPARE.
BUT ALSO, THERE'S THE QUESTION: THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT DOES
NOT HAVE AN EXISTING AGREEMENT? >> NO.
>> 2023, WHEN THIS WAS FIRST APPROVED, WITH A MASTER, IN EFFECT, PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THE CITY DID NOT HAVE THAT IN THE
SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, IF PLANNING BOARD ARE -- HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS?
>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?
>> BACK TO THE COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WERE THEY BROUGHT INTO THE LOOP REGARDING WHERE THE BUS STOP IS AND THE TURN-AROUND, AND THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT?
>> YES, AND, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT CONFIRMED THAT.
>> IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, CAN YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD,
STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN. >> GOOD AFFECT, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS TODD MARRY, WITH RED TAIL. LOCATED DOWNTOWN CITY FORT PIERCE. I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH A NICE
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PRESENTATION THAT CABOT IS GOING TO PULL UP FOR US.WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THIS JOURNEY AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH. THIS IS ONE THAT THIS BEGAN BACK IN 2023 AND AS PART OF THE APPROVAL, WHAT WE HAD WAS WHAT USED TO BE CALLED A PRELIMINARY PD.
SO YOU NOTICE MOST CITIES AND COUNTIES WILL USE THE TERM PUD.
TTHE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS A GREAT PLACE, AND WE CALL THEM P DS. PLAN DEVELOPMENTS.
SO THERE'S TIMES WHERE ATTORNEYS WILL DROP THEM IN AND SAY IT'S A PUD. BUT THE CITY ONLY USES THE TERM PD. SO FOR THIS, WE APPROVED WHAT WAS CALLED A PRELIMINARY PD. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE AND SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS.
YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW THE SITE. WHAT I'VE DOING IS I'VE TURNED THE ORIENTATION TO THE RIGHT. KEV HAD THINGS TO THE RIGHT.
ORANGE AVENUE, IF I'M GOING TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, I'M HEADING TOWARDS 95. IF I'M HEADING TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, YOU'RE HEADING TOWARDS DOWNTOWN.
BECAUSE OF THE STRETCH OF THIS PROPERTY, I'M GOING TO SHOW IT THIS WAY. FOUR DIFFERENT PARCELS ARE INCLUDED. YOU'LL SEE AT THE BOTTOM, THERE'S A CANAL, AND WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 56.6 ACRES THAT ARE PART OF THIS APPLICATION. USED TO BE CITRUS GROVE, AND IT -- IT'S ONE THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS HERE, AND AS A RESULT OF THE PROCESS, RYAN HOLMES IS NOW SET -- RYAN HOMES IS NOW SET TO COME IN AND PROVIDE WITH THIS TOWNHOME COMMUNITY. SO WITH THAT, A COUPLE OF GRAPHICS, AND I'LL GO THROUGH IT PIECE-BY-PIECE TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS LAID OUT.
IN THIS CASE, THIS IS A PD DISTRICT, AND IN THAT PD DISTRICT, IT DESCRIBES WHAT'S PROVIDED.
SO THIS FINAL PD PLAN HAD TO BE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE HAD APPROVED BACK IN 2023. 2023, IT SAID WE WOULD HAVE TOWNHOMES. IT WOULD HAVE COMMERCIAL.
IT WOULD HAVE RESIDENTIAL, MULTI-FAMILY, AS WELL AS IT WOULD HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY. SO ALL THAT COULD BE INCLUDED AS PART OF IT. IT GAVE THE TOTAL LIMITS OF WHAT COULD BE PROVIDED, AND AS LONG AS WE CAME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT WAS IN LINE WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 2023, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT. SO, FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE DO HAVE THE COMMERCIAL LOT THAT'S SET AS PHASE 3. WE HAVE PHASE 1, WHICH IS THE INITIAL T 261 DWELLING UNITS, AD ON THE FAR RIGHT, PHASE 2, WHICH IS THE ADDITIONAL 129 DWELLING UNITS.
WE CALL IT MANAGEABLE PIECES. WE'LL START OFF WITH ROADWAYS.
THIS GIVES YOU A FEEL FOR WHAT THE ROADWAY SYSTEM IS FOR THIS.
THIS COMMUNITY ALSO HAS SEVERAL AREAS WITH SOME ADDITIONAL OVERFLOW PARKING FOR RESIDENTS SO THAT WAY THEY HAVE AN AREA DEDICATED FOR THAT. WALKING THROUGH THIS, YOU'LL SEE WE ALSO HAVE A SCHOOL BUS STOP. WE COORDINATE WE HAD THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND PROVIDED A TURN-AROUND AREA FOR THIS COMMUNITY SO THAT WAY, PRIOR GREET, THEY HAVE A DEDICATED AREA SET ASIDE TO HAVE CHILDREN SITTING AND WAITING FOR A SCHOOL BUS THAT MAY BE COMING JUST BEFORE THAT GATE.
ALSO PROVIDING FOR A DECELERATION LANE.
AT THE BOTTOM, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS THAT'S CONNECTING TO THE ROAD THERE WHERE JUST ON TOP OF THE STE-LUCIE WATER CONTROL DISTRICT.
EXACTLY AS SHOWN ON THE PRELIMINARY APPROVED MASTER PLAN THAT WE HAD TO CONNECT TO JENKINS ROAD THROUGH THE PROPERTY. THE SIDEWALKS.
THIS GIVES YOU A FEEL FOR THE SIDEWALKS PROVIDED ALL THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT AND CONNECTING TO ORANGE AVENUE.
AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD ON THAT, YOU'LL SEE WE ALSO PROVIDED THEN FOR A FUTURE CONNECTION WITH SIDEWALK TO WHATEVER HAPPENS ON THAT NEXT PHASE OF THE PROPERTY HEADING UP TOWARDS JENKINS.
STORMWATER: THERE'S A SERIES OF PONDS THAT WILL BE CREATED. NOT ALL OF THESE ARE WET PONDS, SO YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE THE DIFFERENCE HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE THAT ARE WET AND DRY. REALLY, THAT'S A DETERMINATION BY THE STATE. SO SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT DEFINES THE SIZES AND WHAT CAN OFTEN HAPPEN WITH THOSE. BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF STORM WATER THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE SOUTH FLORIDA MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, WE DO HAVE A VARIETY OF BOTH WET AND DRY PONDS. WE'RE AT ABOUT 20% RIGHT NOW.
WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, MANY TIMES WE WERE DOWN AT 7, 8%, 9%.
NOW WE'RE AT ALMOST 20% OF AN ENTIRE PROJECT SITE IS NEEDING TO BE SET ASIDE FOR STORM WATER PURPOSES ON THESE.
SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT APPLICANTS AND PEOPLE COME IN AND HOW TO DEVELOP PROPERTY, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN MAXIMIZE
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THE DENSITY DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN DO IT, BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR ALL OF THIS STORM WATER ON A SITE.PHASE 1, YOU'LL SEE HERE HOW THE WE'VE PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION TO STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN SEE THAT.
IT ALSO HAS A CLUBHOUSE HERE ON THE LEFT.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT WITH ALL OF THE 261 UNITS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THIS PARTICULAR PHASE. THE SCHOOL BUS STOP IS ALSO INCLUDED WITH THAT PHASE, AND THAT IS PROVIDED AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT. THERE'S ALSO A L LYFT STATION TT WILL BE PUT IN PLACE IN THAT AREA, PROVIDING FOR THE SEWAGE TREATMENT FOR THAT. PHASE 2, 22 ACRES, AND WITH PHASE 2, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 189 UNITS IN THAT ELEMENT.
TOTAL, WE HAVE 450 UNITS IN THAT.
JUST A LITTLE SIMPLE RENDERING AS WELL OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE CLUBHOUSE AREA, AND SO THIS IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AT THIS POINT, INCLUDING THE POOL AREA THAT WILL BE PUT IN PLACE FOR THIS PROJECT. WITH THAT, THAT REALLY COVERS THE MAJORITY OF IT. STAFF DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF PROVIDING THEIR PRESENTATION ON IT, GETTING THE SPECIFICS OF THOSE CONDITIONS. THIS SHOULD BE FAIRLY SIMPLE.
WE HAD TO, AGAIN, STAY IN LINE WITH EXACTLY WHAT WAS PROVIDED WITH OUR ORIGINAL APPROVAL FOR THAT ZONING.
THIS IS A COMPLEMENTARY MASTER PLAN.
THIS FINAL PROJECT COMES ALONG, SHOWING EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITHIN THAT INITIAL PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL THAT WILL COME ALONG AT A LATER POINT, SO AS THAT HAPPENS, IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU, THEY'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE AND SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THOSE INTERNAL LAYOUT FOR IT, AS LONG AS WHATEVER HAPPENS ON THAT WESTERN CONNECTION THROUGH JOEY MILLER'S PIECE, WHICH HE AS WELL HAS BEEN A PART OF THIS ENTIRE PD.
SO, WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, AND I CAN ANSWER MS. STOREY'S QUESTIONS, IF SHE
I THINK I'LL TRY TO -- AS OTHER PEOPLE JUMP IN.
SO THE BUSINESS MODEL FOR THIS, THESE TOWNHOMES NOT --
>> IS THIS A RENTAL COMMUNITY. >> OKAY.
>> SO IT'S ALL REMAINING UNDER SINGLE OWNERSHIP.
IT'S UNDER COMMON OWNERSHIP TODAY, SO NOTHING IS CHANGING UNDER THAT. THAT'S SET IN PLACE AT THIS
>> I DON'T WANT TO MONOPOLIZE. I'M SORRY.
>> NO QUESTIONS TODAY. >> OKAY.
SO LET ME ASK: THERE WAS SOME POCKET PARKS, BUT WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF THOSE POCKET MAR PARKS IN TERMS OF ACREAGE, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT 450 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE MAGNITUDE OR THE ABILITY FOR THERE TO BE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, GREEN SPACE, ET CETERA, FOR -- I
MEAN, THIS IS MULTI-FAMILY. >> IT IS, YEAH.
>> AND KIDS. KIDS NEED PLACES TO PLAY.
>> IT IS. THAT'S WHY WE PROVIDED FOR THE POCKET PARKS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAD A REQUIREMENT BASED UPON THE ORIGINAL PD.
EACH ONE OF THOSE PHASES HAS 20% SET ASIDE FOR THAT, SO THAT WAS PART OF THE CONDITION THAT WE HAD TO FOLLOW THROUGH, AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CLUBHOUSE AREA, WE DID THAT, SO IT'S ONE WHERE WE WORKED THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND THIS PHASE WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR MULTI-FAMILY, AND SO THE DENSITY WAS GOING TO BE MUCH HIGHER, SO WE ACTUALLY MODIFIED IT, DROPPED THE DENSITY, INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF STORM WATER AND SO WITH THAT, WE'RE DOWN BELOW WHAT ORIGINALLY.
IT WAS GOING TO BE -- ACTUALLY, I'LL SCROLL BACK HERE AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO -- THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PD.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THERE. LET ME GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE.
LET'S GO INTO THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE WAS GOING TO BE THE ORIGINAL MULTI-FAMILY AREA. SO THAT WAS FOR THREE AND FOUR-STOREY UNITS. NOW EVERYTHING IS TWO-STOREY THROUGHOUT THIS. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE POCKET PARKS, WE'VE IDENTIFIED WITH STAFF AND HAVE WORKED THROUGH THOSE, SO IT INCLUDES AREAS THAT ARE ALL IDENTIFIED THROUGHOUT THE SITE AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR WALKING AREAS, AND THEN THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE ALL AROUND WITH THE AMENITIES AROUND THE CLUBHOUSE. AGAIN, WE'VE TRIED TO PICK UP ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR -- WE HAVE FIVE OF THOSE POCKET PARKS THAT HAVE BEEN SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
>> HOW MUCH ACREAGE IN COMPARISON TO THE -- LIKE, THE OTHER? I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR THE
MAGNITUDE OF YOU PROVIDING THAT. >> SURE.
SURE. >> I COULDN'T SEE ON THE SITE PLAN. IT WAS TINY.
BUT MAYBE THAT'S JUST -- >> I DON'T HAVE THAT FIGURE, KRISTA. IN FRONT OF ME, BUT GLAD TO GET
THAT FOR YOU. >> JUST ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE REQUIREMENT TO ADD THE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES WITH A 50TH UNIT. IS THAT KIND OF A STANDARD? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE PEOPLE POTENTIALLY LIVING THERE WITHOUT ACCESS TO THOSE AMENITIES, AND I COME FROM A
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PERSPECTIVE OF EXPERIENCE WITH PROJECTS WHERE THOSE AMENITIES WERE NOT PROVIDED, AND PEOPLE MOVED IN, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE THOSE AMENITIES, AND SO IS 50 A MAGIC NUMBER, OR IS THAT A STANDARD THAT THE CITY THINKS THAT'S A REASONABLE NUMBER?>> THANKS FOR ASKING. THIS HAS BEEN A PROCESS WHERE WE HAVE QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT TOWNHOME PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, AND AS KEV KNOWS, THIS HAVE BEEN PROJECTS IN THE PAST THAT DIDN'T HAVE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS IN PLACE.
NOW, MOVING FORWARD, ALL THESE ARE HAVING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY ATTATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR MAYBE E MONTHS ALONE ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, DRAFTING THIS. THAT WAS DONE THROUGH MOST CYNTHIA ANGELUS AND NICK GEISLER, SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. IT'S BEEN EXTREMELY LONG, AND IN TERMS OF GOING THROUGH THAT, BUT EACH ONE OF THOSE ELEMENTS WAS CAREFULLY THOUGHT THROUGH, THROUGH MR. FREEMAN'S OFFICE.
THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS AS WELL.
TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING FROM HOW SIDEWALKS WOULD BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT, IF YOU START A PROJECT, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE THOSE MASSIVE CHUNKS OF OPEN AREA WHERE YOU WILL NOT HAVE SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY? HOW DO THEY GET TO THE CLUBHOUSE? AND WORKING THROUGH ALL OF THAT. SO A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT WAS PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THOUGHT THROUGH THOSE CURRENT CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS WHAT'S REASONABLE FOR THE RESIDENTS
LIVING HERE. >> SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAYING IS 50 IS A REASONABLE NUMBER?
>> YEAH. >> IF I CAN ANSWER THAT: WE'VE -- OVERTHE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, DONE MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, AND THIS IS OFTEN A BIG NEGOTIATION POINT BETWEEN APPLICANTS AND THE CITY. AND DO APPRECIATE THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION REGARDING THE SIDEWALK ELEMENT OF THIS, WHICH THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING THE COMMITMENT TO FULFILL THAT.
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT FROM AN ADA POINT OF VIEW.
IN RESPECT OF GETTING THE AMENITIES ONBOARD, WE ALSO UNDERSTAND MARKET CONSTRAINTS AND THE CONSTRAINTS DURING CONSTRUCTION, WHICH REALLY DON'T WANT TOO MANY PEOPLE WALKING AROUND TOO EARLY ON IN THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE.
THE SIDEWALKS WILL HELP THAT. AND ONCE WE GET TO A CERTAIN LEVEL OF DENSITY, IF YOU LIKE, WE WILL OBVIOUSLY THEN BE MORE EXPECTING PEOPLE TO GO TO THE AMENITY CENTERS AND DO THAT.
AND HOPEFULLY BY THAT TIME, THE MAJORITY OF CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC WILL BE AWAY FROM WHERE THOSE PEOPLE ARE LIKELY TO
CONGREGATING. >> AND ANOTHER QUESTION, IF I MIGHT: WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR MAKING
THIS A GATED COMMUNITY? >> THIS IS AT THIS POINT GOING TO BE GATED. SO YOU CAN SEE WE SHOW THE MEETING ISLAND THERE. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY TYPICAL THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND IN MANY OF THESE PROJECTS.
I'M NOT SURE QUITE WHAT THE CONCERN OR QUESTION MAY BE.
>> JUST -- >> IT'S A PRIVATE RENTAL HOME COMMUNITY. AS A RESULT, THEY'RE SETTING THINGS UP. IT ALLOWS THEM TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A SAFE AND SECURE COMMUNITY THEY OBVIOUSLY DO WELL
WITH THEIR SALES ON THAT. >> JUST A PERCEPTION OF COMMUNITY AND INTEGRATION IN THE BROADER COMMUNITY AND ACCESS ANU KNOW, I JUST HAVE EXPOSURE FROM BOTH SIDES OF IT, AND SOMETIMES GATES... I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE RATIONALE, BUT IT'S ALSO BEEN A HINDRANCE.
SOME VIEW AS A HINDRANCE. AND JUST...
ANYWAY, THAT'S IT. MAYBE IT'S POU MORE OF A PERSONL
PERSPECTIVE. >> TRADITION ITSELF WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE SET UP ALL WITH NON-GATED.
LOOK AT IT TODAY. EVERY SINGLE COMMUNITY IN THERE EXCEPT FOR THE INITIAL ONE IS GATED.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S -- THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE SEEM TO DESIRE AND WANT, AND, AS A RESULT, THE MARKET RESPONDS TO THAT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
>> I HAVE -- I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT IS YOUR EXPECTED, I GUESS, NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO LIVE ONCE YOU COMPLETE THE ENTIRE PROJECT? LIKE, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK WILL BE -- BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF UNITS, YOU CAN GET A FEEL.
>> ROUGHLY, I GUESS. >> IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM A THOUSAND PEOPLE TO SLIGHTLY OVER THAT, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY LIVE
IN EACH UNIT. >> SO THE BUS STOP, HOW MANY
BUSSES WOULD THAT ACCOMMODATE? >> YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY DETERMINED THAT WAY. BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OLDER OR YOUNGER CROWD.
WHAT WE TRY TO DO WITH MOST OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS IS TAKE PEOPLE OFF OF A MAIN THOROUGHFARE, AND THAT'S WHAT'S KEY IN THIS.
YOU TRY AND BRING THEM INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, CREATE A SAFE AND
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ACCURATE PLACE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO, SIT, GET READY TO WAIT FOR THE BUS, AND BE READY TO LEAVE FROM THERE.>> THAT'S WHY I'M CURIOUS, BECAUSE WITH, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND -- I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY CHILDREN YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT, BUT THAT WOULD BE SEVERAL BUSSES.
NOT ONE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I SUNSHINE SO ? > REALIZING, AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BOTH ELEMENTARY, ELEMENT,MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL S THERE.
THIS, IN COMPARISON, IS NOT CONSIDERED TO BE A LARGE DEVELOPMENT. WITH SO THIS SIZE, I MEAN, FOR A 50-ACRE DEVELOPMENT COMPARED TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ELSEWHERE GOING ON, ESPECIALLY AS WE GO TOWARDS PORT POR PORT STE-LUCIEE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF UNITS.
THIS IS SMALL IN COMPARISON. THE POCKET PARKS AND THE PARKING AREAS BY MANY OF THOSE, AS WELL AS THE CLUBHOUSE, THE POOL.
THOSE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED. >> SO YOU DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OR A DIAGRAM OF WHATEVER'S -- I DIDN'T NOTICE ANYTHING.
>> THAT'S THE PICTURE WE SHOWED RIGHT HERE.
>> OKAY, JUST -- OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE
APPLICANT? >> JUST AN OBSERVATION FROM THE LAST SLIDE: IF WE HAVE A THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE MAYBE A DOZEN LOUNGE CHAIRS AROUND THE POOL.
>> YOU KNOW, YOU IT'S ACTUALLY INTERESTING.
THEY USED A CALCULATION BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE TO HELP DETERMINE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE NEEDED FOR THESE POOLS. SO THEY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND DO IT. THIS WAS AN ARTIST'S RENDERING, SO WE CAN'T TRUST THE ARTISTS RENDERING AND WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH IN TERMS OF THE LOUNGE CHAIRS, BUT THEY ACTUALLY USED A STATE-ESTABLISHED FIGURE TO DETERMINE.
SO THEY DON'T PUT JUST IN A LITTLE POCKET POOL.
I WAS INTERESTED TO SEE HOW MANY OF THESE LARGER DEVELOPERS ARE ACTUALLY UTILIZING THAT PROCESS FOR IT, SO...
I'M SURE IT'LL BE MUCH MORE THAN 12.
BUT IN SOME WAYS, YOU ALSO NECESSARILY WANT A LOT OF CHAIRS AROUND, SO IT CAN BE CONSUMING AN AREA.
>> ANYONE ELSE? >> MAYBE I'LL JUST ASK -- I'M SORRY. STAFF, SO I NOTICED YOU'VE GOT SOME AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING. THERE'S BUFFERS.
IF I RECALL, THERE'S A BUFFER BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SOME
ELECTRICAL LINES... >> MM-HMM.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE HIGH-VOLTAGE ELECTRICAL LINES, SO THAT WAS PART OF THE PERSPECTIVE ABOUT HOW TO BUFFER -- KIND OF LOOK A LOOK. I THINK THIS PROPERTY WAS -- WAS THIS THE PROPERTY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN GROVE? SO NOT TOO MUCH IN TERMS OF SPECIES THAT WEREN'T IN
>> SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF FACTORS THAT PLAYED INTO THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING AND THINGS?
>> IT'S A HEAVILY -- >> IMPACTED?
>> IMPACTED -- A GOOD WORD -- AREA.
AGRICULTURAL USE. CATTLE GRAZING AND SO FORTH.
IT'S BEEN VERY WELL DISTURBED IN THAT AREA.
THEY'VE GOT A SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPING PLAN.
WE'RE HAPPY WITH WHAT'S THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDING.
>> KIND OF RELATED: YOU HAVE SOME OUT-PARCELS? LITTLE THINGS WHERE THE PROJECT WRAPS AROUND?
>> I DON'T KNOW. AND SOME -- SOME CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO BUFFERING OR LANDSCAPING FOR THOSE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN -- YEAH. IT'S JUST SOME KIND OF ODD
CARVE-OUTS THERE. >> WE RAISED THAT WITH THE APPLICANT, FOR THEM TO REALLY ENHANCE THOSE.
THERE'S A LITTLE -- >> IT'S LIKE AN F-SHAPED ON THE DEVELOPMENT SITE. AND THERE'S THAT PIECE IN THE
IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> I HAVE ONE.
WHAT DETERMINES THE AMOUNT OF CONDITIONS THAT WERE PUT IN WITH THIS PROJECT? IS IT THE LOCATION? THE PHASING? TIME?
MORE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD? >> ALL OF THAT.
THE CONDITIONS ARE DETERMINED THROUGH WHAT STAFF AND OTHER AGENCIES SEE AS POTENTIAL ISSUES THAT WE WANT TO SETTLE OUT AND ENSURE THAT THE APPLICANT'S AWARE OF.
ALL THOSE THINGS. AND YOU SEE THOSE CONDITIONS THAT -- IN FRONT OF US, THAT WE'VE GOT ON THERE.
BUT THERE'S LIKELY TO BE MORE -- FAR MORE THAN THAT, BECAUSE
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EXTERNAL AGENCIES WILL HAVE THEIR OWN CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WILL HAVE A PERMIT. FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WILL HAVE SOME SORT OF PERMIT.SO ALL -- ALL THOSE THINGS ARE TAKEN CARE OF OUTSIDE THE CITY, BUT WE TRY AND WRAP UP AS MUCH AS WE CAN IN TERMS OF OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT LEGALLY, AND SO WE -- WE -- AS WE'VE, YOU KNOW, AN EXPERIENCE OF DEVELOPING AND APPROVING THINGS, YOU GET TO HAVE A SYSTEMATIC METHODOLOGY OF ASSESSING VARIOUS COMPONENTS FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW, AND UNDERSTANDING THE LIKELY COMPLAINTS, CONSTRAINTS, OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT MAY DEVELOP ISSUES, WHETHER IT'S THE COMMUNITY OR JUST THE ACTIVITY OF THE PROJECT ITSELF TO GET THOSE AS FORMALLY AS WE CAN SO WE DON'T END UP WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES OR OTHER THING THAT A DEVELOPMENT CAUSES BECAUSE WE'VE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING TO CONTROL THAT OR MITIGATE THAT IN A CONDITION.
YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBER OF CONDITIONS VARY DEVELOPMENT BY DEVELOPMENT. SOME YOU'LL SEE THE SAME.
AND, OTHERS, YOU'LL SEE PARTICULAR TO A DEVELOPMENT.
IF WE'VE IDENTIFIED A PARTICULAR ISSUE AND IT'S NOT BEEN FULLY RESOLVED OR THE EXTERNAL AGENCIES WILL BE INVOLVED WITH THAT, THEN WE'LL TRY AND PUT A CONDITION IN THAT WILL ADDRESS THAT SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF IT. WE'VE NOT NEGATED THAT.
WE'VE NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT. IT'S PART OF THE APPROVAL, AND THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
SO IT'S A -- IT'S A SECURITY TO THE CITY IN A WAY TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR THIS AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ANY NON-CONFORM ITS WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE.
WE'VE HAD SOME APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE HAD LESS THAN TEN CONDITIONS. AND WE'VE HAD OTHERS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, 30 OR MORE. SO IT DEPENDS ENTIRELY ON WHAT COMES UP DURING THE REVIEW, WHAT THE SITE CONDITIONS ARE, WHAT THE SITE CONSTRAINTS ARE, WHAT THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY EXTERNAL AGENCIES, INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS.
ALL THOSE THINGS PLAY INTO THE NUMBER OF CONDITIONS.
SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHY WE GOT TO THAT NUMBER EXACTLY.
BUT ALL THOSE ISSUES WERE PUT TOGETHER, AND WE ENDED UP WITH
THAT NUMBER OF CONDITIONS. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IS -- ARE WE GO -- GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, FOR AMENITIES FOR SUCH A LARGE RENTAL DEVELOPMENT.
CAN WE ADD A CONDITION SO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING, INSTEAD OF A PICTURE OF 12 CHAIRS BY A PPOOL, WITH WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS RECREATIONAL AREAS? LIKE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD DISCLOSE TO US OR --
>> YOU COULD REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE DETAILED DIAGRAMS OR DRAWINGS OF THE AMENITIES THAT THEY'RE
PROPOSING. >> IS THAT STANDARD OR WOULD
THAT BE UNUSUAL? >> THESE THINGS CHANGE DURING THE BUILD, BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE USUALLY DETERMINED BY THE MARKET THAT THEY'VE SOLD TO, AND I THINK, AS THE APPLICANT SAID EARLIER, IT COULD BE ALL DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS.
SO THEN THEY FIT OUT THE AMENITIES ACCORDING TO THE AGE GROUPS THAT ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
>> SO HAVING, YOU KNOW, A PLAYGROUND FOR 5-YEAR-OLDS WHEN MOST OCCUPANTS ARE IN THEIR 80S OR LATE 50S -- I DON'T KNOW. IT TOTALLY CHANGES.
YOU KNOW, A SWING SET IS NOT GOING TO WORK FOR A -- YOU KNOW,
A WORKING PERSON. >> WELL, IT'S DEFINITELY A MIX, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RENTALS.
I JUST -- I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT IT IS THAT -- I WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF THOSE KIND OF THINGS WERE BROUGHT UP, BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY DENSE COMMUNITY. AND IT IS LITERALLY RIGHT THERE.
THERE COULD BE SEVERAL BUSSES, FOR ALL I KNOW.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A BUS STOP AROUND MY HOUSE, AND WE HAVE FOUR BUSSES SOMETIMES LITERALLY LINED UP, BECAUSE IT'S
DIFFERENT. >> WELL, BEAR IN MIND, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE DO NOT CONTROL THE AMOUNT OF BUSSES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
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>> THEY HAVE THEIR OWN CALCULATION OF HOW MANY CHILDREN ARE LIKELY TO BE, ON AVERAGE, WITHIN THIS NUMBER OF DWELLINGS.
THEY'VE SIGNED OFF ON THIS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK FOR.
>> THEN I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.
IF YOU COULD PUT -- MY QUESTION IS ACTUALLY SPECIFIC TO THE ROADS AND, I GUESS, THE PARKING SPACES, I WASN'T SURE.
I'M NOT CLEAR ON HOW THAT IS ALL DESIGNED? LIKE, HOW WIDE ARE THE ROADS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND HOW -- WHAT DO THE DRIVEWAYS AND ALL THAT, WHAT DOES ALL THAT LOOK
LIKE? >> I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THOSE DIMENSIONS WERE SET OUT IN THE ORIGINAL MASTER PD.
>> OKAY. >> THEY'VE BEEN REVIEWED BY OUR INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS. I DON'T HAVE THE MEASUREMENTS WITH ME RIGHT NOW. SO ALL OF THIS WAS REVIEWED BY ENGINEERING AND EVERYBODY, SO... IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
>> IF THE APPLICANT IS STILL HERE TO ANSWER THAT, MAYBE?
>> EXCUSE ME. APPLICANT? WE HAVE A QUESTION, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STEP FORWARD AGAIN AND ANSWER. WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU. >> SO, THE CITY HAS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE ROAD WIDTH. WE HAVE TO APPLY AND FOLLOW THAT, REGARDLESS OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES ALONG.
SO ALL THESE MEET YOUR CITY STANDARDS FOR ROADWAY WIDTH, AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PROVIDED IN HERE.
SO THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE DONE FOR THIS.
THEY'RE ALL 24-FOOT WIDE, INCLUDING GUTTER, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS CONCRETE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE AT OVER 32% OF THE PROJECT IS FOR OPEN SPACE, SO WE'RE EXCEEDING WHAT WAS REQUIRED WHEN WE GOT THE APPROVAL.
AND SO I THINK WHEN YOU START LOOKING AND THINKING, OH, THIS LOOKS MASSIVE OR WHATEVER. REMEMBER, WE'RE HALF OF WHAT THE CITY APPROVED AND ALLOWED US TO DO TODAY.
WE'RE BRINGING A LOWER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAN WHAT WE COULD HAVE PROVIDED HAD WE GONE WITH THE MULTI-FAMILY THAT WAS ALLOWED FOR THIS AREA, AND IN ADDITION, WE'VE TRIED OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO ALL THAT'S NEEDED, BECAUSE IF YOU THINK OF WHAT A DEVELOPER HAS TO DO.
THEY HAVE TO LITERALLY MOVE POWER POLES OFF OF ORANGE AVENUE AND PUT IN A RIGHT-TURN, DECELERATION LANE, ALL THE COSTS ADD UP SO THE COSTS FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THESE UNITS CAN GO HIGHER AND HIGHER. I STRUGGLE WITH SEEING HOW MANY DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WE'VE PROPOSED IN THE CITY AND HOW MANY HAVE HAPPENED, AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN AS MANY HAPPEN.
WE'VE SEEN PROJECTS HAPPEN ELSEWHERE.
WE'VE HAD STAFF CHANGES. THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.
WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WHATNOT.
WE'RE HAPPY THIS MAN IS HERE, BY THE WAY.
WE LOVE THE DIRECTOR, AND HE LOVE THE JOB THAT HE'S ABLE TO DO, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING PROFESSIONALLY AND THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING THE RIGHT THING WHEN IT COMES TO THESE RESIDENTS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS Y'ALL GET TO DO. THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS ONE IS THAT FULLY IN LINE WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 2023, BUT WELL BELOW WHAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ALLOWED, AND THEN WE'VE EXCEEDED THEN ALL THESE ELEMENTS.
WHETHER IT'S OPEN SPACE AND WHATNOT.
NORMALLY, WE'VE NEVER HAD TO PROVIDE FOR BUS SHELTER AREAS AND TURN-AROUNDS ON ANY PROJECTS ANYMORE.
NOW WE'RE GETTING MORE IN LINE WITH SEEING THAT BECOME A TYPICAL NORM, WHICH IS GREAT. AND THOSE ARE POSITIVE THINGS.
WHEREAS BEFORE... WELL, LET IT ALL BE FIGURED OUT.
THEY'LL GO SOMEWHERE. WE DON'T LIKE THAT ANYMORE.
WE TAKE THE TIME TO THINK THROUGH THOSE HEALTH AND SAFETY, WELFARE ELEMENTS. JUST TO YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WORK THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENTS WE EVEN GO SO FAR AS THINKING ABOUT THE GARAGE FACE. HAVE YOU EVER GONE TO SOMEBODY'S HOME OR GONE TO SEE THEM AND YOU PULL UP AND YOUR VEHICLE IS BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK, AND YOU TRY AND PULL UP CLOSER AND YOU STILL FIND YOU'RE PULLING THE SIDEWALK, AND YOU PULL YOUR TRUCK ALL THE WAY UP, AND YOU'RE STILL BLOCKING PART OF THE SIDEWALK. WE'RE SUPER CAREFUL WITH MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO FROM THE STREET, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO PLANT A TREE? HAVE YOU SEEN THAT? SOMETIMES THEY LEAVE TWO FOOT, THREE FOOT OF SPACE.
THERE'S NOT EVEN ENOUGH ROOM TO PLANT A TREE.
NOW WE HAVE SEVEN TO EIGHT TREES, AS AN AVERAGE, TO GROW TREES IN THOSE AREAS. STILL HAVE A SIDEWALK AND STILL HAVE 22 FEET FROM THERE TO THE FACE OF THE GARAGE.
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THERE'S SO MUCH EFFORT THAT GOES INTO THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF THESE. EVEN THE FRONT DOOR.IF YOU'RE A LADY IN YOUR HEELS, YOU'RE IMMEDIATELY STEPPING IN THE DIRT. WE'RE ACCOMMODATING THE WIDTH OF THESE DRIVEWAYS TO ACCOMMODATE FOR RESIDENTS THAT WILL BE COME AND GO THROUGH THAT. PAVERS SIDEWALKS.
GETTING ACTUAL PAVERS UP TO THE UNITS THEMSELVES.
ALL OF THESE LITTLE THINGS THAT GO INTO IT SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS THOUGHT THROUGH, WHERE WE TOOK THE TIME AND EFFORT TO NOT JUST THROW SOMETHING AT A WALL AND HOPE THAT IT STICKS, BUT KNOW THAT WE'RE BUILDING A COMMUNITY OF QUALITY AND TO MAKE SOMETHING
WORK. >> WELL, THE OTHER THING I CAN SAY IS I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY DO WANT TO HAVE QUALITY HOUSING FOR PEOPLE.
NOT JUST MASSIVE, YOU KNOW, TIGHT TURNS AND ALL THAT, SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT AMENITIES, THEY ALL MATTER. PEOPLE END UP LIVING THERE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE HAPPY WITH LIVING THERE, JUST AS MUCH AS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING
THAT MAKES A DIFFERENTIAL. >> DIFFERENCE.
>> AND I HAVE TO SAY, HAVING BEEN INVOLVED IN THE FORT PIERCE COMMUNITY NOW FOR SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, WE HAD DREAMS AND AMBITIONS FOR THIS COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE SO SUPER PROUD OF THE CITY, BUT I HAVE TO SAY, THIS PAST WEEK, IN PARTICULAR, I KNOW, KEV, IF YOU LOOK AT HIS F FACE NOW, THIS HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY STRESSFUL WEEK WITH SOME THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE WANT TO SEE THINGS HAPPENING. HOW DOES IT FEEL WHEN YOU COME TOWARDS THE DOWNTOWN? WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND TO GR CREATE TT ATMOSPHERE.
AS PROFESSIONALS HERE, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN. WE WANT TO SEE THE RIGHT THING HAPPEN, BUT ALSO HAVE THAT ABILITY WHERE WE LOOK AT IT AS A TEAM, AND IT'S THAT PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT COMES TOGETHER. AND THAT'S WHY I APPRECIATE YOUR PROFESSIONALISM. THERE'S SOME BOARDS THAT WE GO TO. YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S US VERSUS THEM, CONSTANTLY. HOW DO WE CREATE THAT TEAM ENVIRONMENT, WHERE YOU SAY, THIS IS WHAT I'M HOPING FOR.
WOW, THAT'S IT. AS WE GO THROUGH EACH OF OUR PROJECTS, WE START THINKING MORE AND MORE LIKE THAT, SO WE'RE RESPONDING TO YOU IN POSITIVE WAYS AND HELPING OUR DEVELOPERS THAT COME TO US FOR THINGS SO WE MAKE THOSE PROJECTS EXACTLY WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE, BUT WE ALSO START HELPING THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BECOME STRONGER, HEALTHIER AND MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN IT'S BEEN. THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT. THAT WAS FREE OF CHARGE, BY THE WAY.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC. IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER. STEP FORWARD.
SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME. SEEING NONE, I'LL COME BACK TO
>> I HAVEN'T DONE THIS BEFORE, SO I AM LOOKING FOR YOUR GUIDANCE. MY NAME IS CAROL HAYES, AND I LIVE IN FORT PIERCE. I LIVE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THAT, AND I CAME HERE FOR THE OTHER -- THE OTHER AGENDA
>> BUT I DECIDED TO STAY, AND SO I HEARD THIS GENTLEMAN AND ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS JUST PRESENTED.
THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, THERE'S GOING TO BE ABOUT A THOUSAND PEOPLE HERE IN THIS PHASE 1. CORRECT?
450 TOWNHOUSES? >> IT'S PHASE 1 AND 2.
>> 1 AND 2 IS A THOUSAND PEOPLE, ROUGHLY.
SO LET'S SAY THEY'RE 500 CARS. SO HOW ARE THEY GETTING -- THIS LOOKS LIKE A SMALL ROADWAY TO EXIT ON TO ARR ORANGE AVENUE.
IS THAT CORRECT? FOR ME, IT LOOKS VERY SMALL TO TRY TO GET POUT AT 8:00 IN THE MORNING.
I R LIVE IN SANDALWOOD, IF YOU KNOW WHERE SANDALWOOD IS.
I'VE BEEN THERE 40 YEARS. TRYING TO GET INTO SANDALWOOD NOW, I WAIT FIVE MINUTES. THAT'S NOT A LOT OF TIME, JUST TO SPEAK OF. BUT WHEN YOU SEE THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT ARE JUST DRIVING AND DRIVING, THEY'RE GOING EAST.
MOST OF THEM ARE GOING EAST. AND THE -- SO HOW ARE YOU ACCOUNTING FOR ALL OF THIS? THE TRAFFIC? HOW IS THAT BEING ACCOUNTED FOR? AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT THE RENT. I'D LIKE KNOW WHAT THE BASIC RENT IS FOR THESE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE MOVING HERE.
AND THEY'RE ALL RENTERS. I KNOW WHAT THE BASIC HOURLY WAGE IS FOR MEDIAN INCOME. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING 15 TO $25 AN HOUR. AND THIS CAN'T BE A SMALL PROJECT THAT WOULD REQUIRE PEOPLE TO JUST BE PAYING, YOU KNOW -- PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING THAT $15 TO $25 HOUR TO BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE. SO THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
HOW HAS THAT BEEN EXPANDED FOR? ARE THEY EXPANDING THE ROADWAYS?
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RIGHT THERE IS TWO LANES. HURRICANE SEASON.WHAT THEY DOING ABOUT HURRICANE SEASON? HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET TO 95 EASILY FROM THERE, WITH EVERYONE TRYING TO GET THERE. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU AS THE PLANNING BOARD COULD JUST ASK THESE QUESTIONS AND CONSIDER THEM, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL ALL . AS I SAID, I JUST APPRECIATE THAT I'M HERE TO VOICE MY OPINION ON THIS.
>> CAN YOU PLEASE SIGN IN? >> SURE.
>> ANYONE ELSE? >> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE?
>> THERE'S ANOTHER PAGE. I DON'T KNOW YOUR PROTOCOL.
IS IT TYPICAL TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK AND RESPOND TO QUESTIONS? NO.
>> ANYTHING I SAID DOESN'T MATTER?
>> IT DOES. >> WHATEVER I SAID DOESN'T --
>> WE LISTENED. >> HE DOESN'T COME UP TO ANSWER?
>> IT MAY COME UP IN DISCUSSION. >> I'M KIND OF NEW HERE, TOO, SO I DON'T KNOW THE PROTOCOL, BUT THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> IF YOU ALLOW ME, CHAIR, I CAN SORT OF --
>> YES, MR. FREEMAN? >> IF YOU NOTICE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THERE ARE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT AFFECT ORANGE AVENUE AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE -- SO THIS ROAD IS A FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ROADWAY.
THE CITY DOES NOT CONTROL THAT OF THE COUNTY DOES NOT CONTROL THAT. SO WHEN AN APPLICATION COMES IN, WE CONSULT WITH THE VARIOUS ENTITIES WHO CONTROL THE ROADWAY. SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THEIR ADVICE ON HOW TRAFFIC IS ACCOMMODATED. WHAT IMPROVEMENTS THEY WOULD REQUIRE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN REQUIRED TO DO A LOT OF DEDICATION OF ROADWAY RIGHT OF WAY. DECELERATION LANE AND OTHER THINGS. AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
CONDITION 7 LOOKS AT ACCESS APPROVAL FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. WE HAVE CONDITION 8: ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS. WE HAVE CONDITION 9: DRIVEWAY, THROAT AND GATE STACKING.
YES, THERE WILL BE SOME STACKING WITHIN AND COMING OUT.
THAT'S NORMAL FOR A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT.
>> MM-HMM. >> FDOT WANT A LEFT TURN QUEUE ANALYSIS, TO LOOK IF THERE'S ANY FUTURE AMENDMENTS NEEDED TO THE TRAFFIC OR THE ROADWAY. AND THEY'RE ALSO SAYING THAT THAT ONE ACCESS IS SUFFICIENT IN TERMS OF THEY DON'T WANT ANY OTHER ACCESS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT ON TO ORANGE AVENUE.
>> SO, AT THE MOMENT, THERE'S THAT ONE DRIVEWAY THROUGH.
FDOT HAVE SAID THAT THEY DON'T WANT ANY ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAYS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT ON A ORANGE AVENUE.
SO THEY'RE RESTRICTING THAT. AND THAT'S PARTLY TO DO WITH SAFETY, AND IN A WAY, REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT COMES OUT AT THE SAME TIME AND ELIMINATING CONFLICTS AS MUCH AS THEY CAN. SO IF THEY ANALYZE ALL THIS, THE APPLICANT PROVIDES A TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH IS LOOKED AT BY, ESSENTIALLY, THE STATE TRANSPORTATION FOLKS.
AND AS FAR AS THE CITY ARE CONCERNED, WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE APPLICANT GET THOSE PERMITS BEFORE BUILDING PERMITS CAN BE ISSUED, OR IF THEY'RE REQUIRED AT CERTAI INTERVALS OF DEVELOPMENT, THEN THEY WOULD NED NEED TO BE PROVIDED.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OUTSIDE AGENCIES THAT GET INVOLVED, AND IN THIS ONE, IT IS PRIMARILY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, AND ALSO THE FIRE DISTRICT ALSO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS. SCHOOL DISTRICT REQUIRES CERTAIN ROADWAY WIDTH TO GET THEIR SCHOOL BUSSES IN.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS MET ALL THOSE STANDARDS, AND A LOT OF THOSE STANDARDS ARE SET NOT ONLY BY THE INTERNAL ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, EXTERNAL AGENCIES WHO REQUIRE THEIR OWN STANDARDS TO BE PLACED ON DEVELOPMENT.
SO AS FAR AS WHAT WE CAN CONTROL, WE DEFER TO EXTERNAL
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AGENCIES A LOT OF THE TIME ON THEIR DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH CAN SOMETIMES BE AND OFTEN ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE CITY'S OWN.>> MM-HMM. >> SO WHAT I CAN SAY, AND, YES, YOU RAISE THE ISSUES THAT CERTAIN FOLKS.
THESE HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY ANALYZED BY THESE AGENCIES, AND THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN ACTION TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT THOSE AGENCIES HAVE REQUESTED THEM TO DO.
>> IRKED COME DOWN AT 5:00 AND JUST SIT THERE.
IT'S INCREDIBLE. I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE ANOTHER 500 CARS. HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET OUT?
>> THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ALL GO AT THE SAME TIME, AND THEY DO ANALYSIS OF THE CARS LIKELY TO COME IN AND OUT AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY. 500 CARS DO NOT APPEAR AT ONCE.
ARE THEY GONNA PUT ANOTHER ROADWAY ON -- I UNDERSTAND IT CAN'T GO ON A ORANGE AVENUE, WHICH IT SHOULDN'T.
WHERE IS THE OTHER ROADWAY GOING TO GO?
>> SO THEY'VE GOT THAT POTENTIAL FUTURE CONNECTION TO THE WEST, TOWARDS I THINK IT'S JENKINS AVENUE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PUT IN PLACE UNTIL THE NEXT -- THAT OTHER PHASE OF THE PD IS PUT IN MACE.
PLACE, BUT ARE ESSENTIALLY LOOKING TO CREATE --
>> DOESN'T THAT CROSS OVER ORANGE?
>> YEAH. >> SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO GO A CERTAIN WAY, THEN THEY CAN MAYBE GO NORTH, BUT EASIER FROM THAT
WELL, YOU HEARD MY CONCERNS. >> THANK YOU ALL.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION.
>> THANK YOU. >> YOU CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO STAFF IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
NOT TO PUT ANYTHING ON YOUR PLATE BUT THAT'S AN OPTION.
>> YOU CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO STAFF.
>> WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? PLEASE SILENCE YOUR DEVICES, PLEASE.
>> YEAH, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO --
>> WANTS TO COME BACK? >> KEV REFERENCED THIS.
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A TRIP GENERATION CALCULATION FOR THESE. AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY LOOK AT THE ROADWAYS, AND THEY HAVE ROADWAY CLASSIFICATIONS, AND THEN THAT ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION, THEY HAVE A -- LET'S CALL IT A REPORT CARD SYSTEM.
JUST LIKE YOU WOULD DO WITH YOUR KIDS.
A, B, C, D, F. THIS ROADWAY, ORANGE AVENUE, BECAUSE IT'S CONTROLLED BY THE STATE, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH THE DOT, AND BECAUSE THEY CONTROL IT, WE'RE NOT JUST ALLOWED TO DUMP TRAFFIC ON THEIR ROADWAY WITHOUT GETTING APPROVALS FROM THEM. SO IN DOING THIS ANALYSIS, THEY WENT THROUGH THEIR STUDY, AND ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE HAD TO PROVIDE ARE WHAT WE CALL A.M. AND P.M. PEAK DISTRIBUTION, SO THAT'S DONE BY A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, AND THAT LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER PROVIDES SO DATA SO IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT IS CREATED BY SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCURATELY AND FROM AN EDUCATION STANDPOINT CREATE IT.
THEY PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, AND THAT REPORT IS THEN REVIEWED BY ANOTHER PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER ON THE STATESIDE AS WELL AS THE COUNTY HAS THAT -- OR THE CITY HAS THAT REVIEW.
SO GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE HAD TO DO IT, AND SO THEY LOOK TO SAY, WHAT WAS THE A.M. PEAK TRIP DISTRIBUTION GOING TO BE? SO THEY LOOKED AT THAT, AND SO THE MOST THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE OUT DURING AN A.M. PEAK HOUR WAS 129 TRIPS. THEY LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE P.M. PEAK TRIPS GOING OUT? 85 AS THE P.M.
THEY ALSO LOOK AT WHAT THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE IS FOR THE ROAD, AND THE PEAK CAPACITY FOR THE ROADWAY ON ORANGE AVENUE TODAY IS 2100 VEHICLES. THAT'S THE PEAK CAPACITY.
SO THAT'S WHEN WE'RE HAVING REAL TROUBLE WITH ORANGE AVENUE.
TODAY, THE VOLUME IS 825. SO WHEN THEY LOOK AT IT, THE PEAK HOUR TRIP GENERATION FOR WHAT WE WERE PROVIDING ON THERE DIDN'T EVEN BEGIN TO CAUSE A CONCERN WHEN IT CAME TO WHAT WAS HAPPENING. NOW, AS YOU'LL FIND OUT WITH EVERY PROJECT THAT'S PROVIDED, WE HAVE TO PAY WHAT ARE CALLED IMPACT FEES, SO DESPITE EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IMPACT FEES, AND THOSE IMPACT FEES GO FOR EVERYTHING FROM PUBLIC BUILDINGS, PUBLIC SAFETY, AS WELL AS FOR ROADWAYS.
AND SO THAT BECOMES THE CASE. FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, IF A CONDITION COMES UP BY THE DOT BASED UPON THEIR DETERMINATION THAT A SIGNAL IS WARRANTED, THEN THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WILL TELL US, OH, BY THE WAY, BESIDES THE RIGHT TURN LANE THAT YOU'RE MAKING, DESPITE AN ANALYSIS OF PEOPLE HEADING EAST ON ORANGE AVENUE MAKING THAT LEFT TURN -- REMEMBER, THERE'S ALREADY AN OPENING TODAY. THEY MAY ALSO SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, YOU'VE TRIPPED A THRESHOLD FOR WE BELIEVE, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU NEED TO ADD THAT SIGNAL.
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THE SIGNALIZATION IS THEN DETERMINED BY CITY STAFF.IT'S DETERMINED BY THE DOT. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MAKE THE CALL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING IS DONE, AND IT'S ONLY BASED UPON FACTUAL DATA THAT'S PROVIDED BY LICENSED TRAFFIC ENGINEERS. HOPE THAT HELPS.
>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THAT, FOLLOWING UP.
>> SURE. >> JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY.
SO WHEN YOU -- FDOF REPORT, HOW LONG IS THAT REPORT GOOD FOR?
>> IT'S NOT DONE IN THAT WAY. WE START OFF WITH WHAT'S CALLED A PRE-APPLICATION PROCESS WITH THE STATE WHEN WE START THE PROCESS. AND WE BEGIN TO GO THROUGH A SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH THEM, AND BEFORE THE PROJECT IS GIVEN ITS CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVALS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR FINAL APPROVALS FROM THE DOT. THOSE PERMITS HAVE TO BE IN HAND, JUST AS ANY OTHER PERMIT FROM SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. THOSE ARE PROVIDED AT THE TIME
THAT YOU START YOUR DEVELOPMENT. >> I'M JUST ASKING YOU, BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE COMMENTERS -- COMMENTATORS SAID, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT ACTUALLY CHANGES.
AS NEW DEVELOPMENTS ARE COMING IN.
>> YOU HAVE SET TIME RESTRICTIONS -- YOU CAN'T JUST GET SET APPROVALS FOR A PROJECT AND WAIT TEN YEARS.
THE CITY DOESN'T ALLOW THAT. YOU HAVE A SET LIMIT AND YOU HAVE TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THAT ONE-YEAR PERIOD, SO
THAT'S HOW THINGS WORK. >> A YEAR, OKAY.
>> OKAY? >> THE LEARNING PROCESS IS HARD.
IT'S LIKE DRINKING FROM A FIRE HOSE, BUT JUST KNOW THAT THERE ARE GOOD PROCESSES IN STATE THAT THE CITY, THE COUNTY AND THE STATE HAVE TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT YOUR JOB IS EASIER THAN
THAT. >> ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING FROM THE PUBLIC? IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION. COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.
>> MOVE WE ACCEPT, WITH CONDITIONS.
>> SECOND. >> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> VICE-CHAIR CLEMONS? >> YES.
[b. PD2025-00004 Final Planned Development Privilege Development 3315 Sunrise Boulevard]
ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM B.THE FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR PRIVILEGE DEVELOPMENT 3315 SUNRISE BOULEVARD. AND WE HAVE MR. GILMORE UP
AGAIN. >> BEFORE WE HAVE THE ATLAS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. SUNRISE BOULEVARD FINAL MAP AMENDMENT. LOCATED AT 3315 SUNRISE BOULEVARD. PROJECT NUMBER PD 2025-00004.
THE APPLICANT IS PATRICIA SESTA OF HAIL AT THIS WARD.
OWNER, MAN DEPOSING OF GPS DEVELOPMENTS LLC.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE PLANNED.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 184 TOWNHOME RESIDENTIAL UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH A RECREATIONAL AREA, POOL, A POOL CABANA AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 21.95 ACRES. RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATIONS WILL BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL AND ARE
NOTED IN THE ATTACHED PLAN. >> A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT THIS SITE. RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR 216 CONDOMINIUM UNIT. THE SITE EXTENSION WAS GRANTED.
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ALLOWED UNDER SENATE BILL 250, WHICH EXTENDED THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE PLAN TO SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2028.THE NEW OWNER IS PROPOSING 184 TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT.
A REDUCTION TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DENSITY.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE. AN AERIAL VIEW.
AS YOU CAN SEE, SUNRISE BOULEVARD IS LOCATED TO THE EAST, AND DADE ROAD TO THE SOUTH, AND SOUTH 25TH STREET TO THE WEST. SO, FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE E CITY OF FORT PIERCE, AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S PRETTY MUCH ROUNDED BID R.M., WHICH STANDS FOR MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND THE SITE IS ALSO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
OKAY? THE CURRENT ZONING IS R-4, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND IT ALSO IS PRETTY MUCH SURROUNDED BY R-4. BUT BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A PD ACROS THE STREET, AS WELL AS A LOWER RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED FINAL SITE PLAN OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S AN ACTUAL DIRECTIONAL ALIGNMENT, AS I SHOWED BEFORE.
ITY SITE PLAN DETAILS INCLUDE A 40-FEET WIDE ROADWAY SECTION, FOUR AND FIVE UNIT TOWNHOME BUILDINGS, 6-FOOT CONTOUR BENCH DETAIL, RAIN, GARDEN AND SWAIL DETAILS AS WELL.
EACH RESIDENCE WILL HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'LL ALSO BE GUEST PARKING, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S SIX LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE SITE WHERE GUESTS CAN PARK, AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE POOL AREA.
THERE'LL BE 39 BUILDINGS. 217 -- 184, I'M SORRY.
I SAID 217. AND MAXIMUM TEN UNITS PER ACRES.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EXISTING ZONING AND THE PROPOSED: TO YOUR RIGHT, R-4 WOULD ALLOW 1,500 SQUARE FEET MINIMUM LOT AREA.
THIS IS PROPOSING 1,800 MINIMUM LOT WIDTH.
UNDER R-4 WOULD BE 16 FEET FOR THE TOWNHOME.
THIS PARCEL IS PROPOSING 20 FEET LOT WIDTH.
THE MAXIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 24. SORRY, IS PROPOSING 45 FEET MAXIMUM LOT WIDTH. THE MINIMUM FRONT SETBACK IS 10 FOR R-4. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 25.
AND THE BUILDING HEIGHT, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED IN R-4 IS 45 FEET. BUILDING COVERAGE, THE MAXIMUM IS 50. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 20.45. ADDITIONAL SITE DATA: THE PD BENEFITS THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.
RAIN GARDENS THOUGHT THE SITE TO IMPROVE THE STORM WATER RUNOFF, REDUCE RUNOFF, PROMOTE GROUNDWATER RECHARGE, ENHANCE THE SITE'S OVERALL ENVIRONMENTAL PERFORMANCE.
THE APPLICANT, AS I'VE STATED, REDUCED THE DENSITY FROM THE 217 TO 184. THE REDUCED DENSITY HAS LIGHTENED THE IMPACTS ON PUBLIC FACILITIES, TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO CONSTRUCTING A PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT.
INTERNAL ROADS, UTILITIES, DRAINAGE, ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE. LARGER LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.
THE ROAD REQUIRES 10. THE DEVELOPER IS DOING 15 FEET LANDSCAPE BUFFER. PLANTINGS THAT ENHANCE THE RAIN GARDENS AND THE TENSION POOL AREAS.
THE INCREASED OPEN SPACE DEVELOPMENT PRESERVES AND PROVIDES SPACE BEYOND THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S ALSO A WATERMAIN EXTENSION ON DADE ROAD FROM THE STUB OUT ON SUNRISE BOULEVARD TO 25TH STREET.
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THE DEVELOPMENT ALSO INCORPORATES SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PRIVATE -- INTERNAL PRIVATE ROADS.AND THERE'S ALSO A PROPOSED INGRESS/EGRESS EASEMENT TO ALLOW ACCESS TO SUNRISE BOULEVARD, A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS HAS BEEN GENERATED, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING 1,255 DAILY TRIPS.
61 OUT. THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROVIDING ANY PALMS IN THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN.
A PLANT LIST OF THE PROPOSED SPECIES.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING GUMBO LIMBO, EAGLESTON HOLLY.
LIVE OAKS AND BALD CYPRESSES. I'M SORRY, THERE ARE NINE PALMS. I'M SORRY. AND THE DESIGN REVIEW: THE PRIMARY WALL FINISH, A PASTEL STUCCO.
TRIM AND FASCIA. WHITE FRAMES FOR THE DOORS AND WINDOWS. DRIVEWAYS, SIDEWALKS, GREY CONCRETE PAVERS AND STONE ACCENTS.
THE INTENT IS TO CREATE A COHESIVE HIGH-QUALITY NEIGHBORHOOD -- RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COMPLEMENTS THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF FORT PIERCE, WHILE OFFERING MODERN AMENITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. OBJECTIVES: PROVIDE ATTAINABLE HOUSING THROUGH THE TWO-STOREY TOWNHOMES WITH MODERN FLOOR PLANS. PROMOTE WALKABILITY AND SOCIAL INTERACT IN COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'LL ALSO BE A MONUMENT SIGN THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.
YOU'LL SEE A RENDERING OF THAT. THE DESIGN USES A PASTEL STUCCO STACK STONE MATERIALS THAT THE TOWNHOMES ALSO WILL BE USING.
THIS IS AN EXISTING ARCHITECTURAL EXAMPLE OF TOWNHOMES THAT ALREADY EXIST AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH GOING TO BE THE SAME ONES THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO BE BUILT AT THE SUBJECT SITE. HERE'S AN ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING. SOME ARE FOUR UNITS.
SOME WILL BE FIVE. HERE ARE TWO OF THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLANS. BOTH ARE THREE-BEDROOM TOWN TOWNHOMES. OKAY.
THERE WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT.
THE EDC AND HALEY WARD HAVE FOUND THAT THERE ARE NO NATIVE HABITAT LOCATED ON THE SITE. EXOTIC VEGETATION MAKES UP TO 50% OF THE PLANT COMPOSITION, AND THEY HAVE ALSO INCORPORATED THE CLC, THE COOPERATIVE LAND COVER OF THE SPECIES THAT THEY FOUND ON-SITE. AND SEVERAL OF THEM ARE INVASIVE. EAR LEAF.
OLD WORLD CLIMBING FERN. ROSEMARY PEA AND -- A TERM LACE OVER THE WETLANDS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
MITIGATION CREDITS FOR ON-SITE WETLANDS HAVE BEEN PURCHASED.
WILDLIFE. NO STATE LISTED PLANT OR ANIMAL SPECIES OR THEIR HABITATS WERE OBSERVED ON-SITE DURING SITE
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RECONNAISSANCE. ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT BASED ON THE VIEW OF THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURAL.SOIL SURVEY. THE SITE IS COMPOSED OF THE FOLLOWING SOILS. THE PROPOSED STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR THE SITE PRO COMPRISE OF THE 4.18 LAKE AND DIED RETENTION. ALL AFFECTED DEPARTMENTS HAVE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH REGARDS TO CONSISTENCY, ESTABLISHED ORDINANCES AND CITY CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL: 1, THE FINAL PLAN APPROVAL OF THE PROPERTY SHALL BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO APPLICATION FOR A BUILDING PERMIT FOR A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
2, THE MINIMUM OPEN SPACE SHALL BE MAINTAINED AT THE MINIMUM 35.77 OF THE TIME PLAN DEVELOPMENT SITE AREA.
3, THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE PERMITTED DENSITY, INTENTSITY AND RESIDENTIAL LOT AND BUILDING HEIGHTS AS OUTLINED IN THE APPROVED SUNRISE BOULEVARD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND FINAL PD SITE PLAN. 4, A DETAILED STORM WATER AND DRAINAGE PLAN AND STATEMENT SHALL BE SUBMITTED AT THE TIME OF THE BUILDING PERMIT. 5, THE FINAL PD PLAN SHALL BE GOVERNED BY ALL AGREEMENTS, PROVISIONS AND COVENANTS WHICH GOVERN THE USE, MAINTENANCE AND CONTINUED PROTECTION OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND OF ANY OF ITS COMMON OPEN SPACE OR OTHER SHARED AREAS. THEY SHALL INCLUDE BINDING OF THE SUCCESSORS OF TITLE. 6, A TRUE MITIGATION CALCULATION HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AND APPROVED PRIOR TO ANY SITE CLEARING OF VEGETATION OR ARIEH MOVE PERMIT. 7, A LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT SHOULD BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. -- THERE'S A TYPO.
I'LL CHANGE THAT. 8, ALL APPLICABLE STATE OR FEDERAL PERMITS SHALL BE OBTAINED BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 9, A COMPLETION OF THE FINAL PLAT. A GENERAL ADDRESS REQUEST FORM FOR THE NEWLY-CREATED PARCEL I.D.S AND FOR ANY AND EACH PROPOSED BUILDING AND RESIDENTIAL UNIT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
10, COORDINATE WITH T THE CITY F FORT PIERCE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT ON THE APPROVAL OF TRASH PICKUP AND LOCATIONS.
11, THE STE-LUCIE REGIONAL TRANSIT TO DISCUSS A TRANSIT CONTRIBUTION ALONG THE CORRIDOR OF THE SOUTH 25TH STREET.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ATLAS AMENDMENT, WITH THE 11 CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
ALTERNATIVE ACTIONS OF THE PLANNING BOARD: RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE ASSOCIATED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE CHANGES OR ALTERNATIVE CONDITIONS, OR RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE PROPOSED FINAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ASSOCIATED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. GILMORE. I GUESS I'LL START.
DID WE GET ANY RESPONSE FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT --
>> YES. AND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE ATTACHMENT IN THE AGENDA.
IT WASN'T IN THERE? WASN'T IN THERE? BUT THEY DID GET AN APPROVAL FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD, AND THERE'S A BUS STOP LOCATION ON THE SITE PLAN.
IT'S... IT'S, LIKE, A BUS STOP LOCATION NEAR THE POOL, AND I CAN ZOOM IN ON THE WEBSITE.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. GILMORE? SEEING NONE. IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, PLEASE STEP FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. FOR THE RECORD, BRAD CURRIE.
I DID DO A PRESENTATION, SO IF DENNIS WOULD PULL THAT UP, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. I HOPE HE HAS IT.
>> YEAH, WE DO. >> HERE YOU GO.
>> AGAIN, THANKS FOR LETTING ME PRESENT HERE.
IT'S BEEN A PRETTY INTERESTING DAY FOR YOU GUYS SO FAR.
I HAD A 4:30 APPOINTMENT THAT I WAS HOPING I WAS GOING TO MAKE, BUT I GUESS THAT'S ALREADY PAST. SO TODAY I REPRESENT THE OWNER
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OF A 21-ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY LOCATED JUST TO THE WEST OF SUNRISE AND DADE ROAD, BETWEEN SUNRISE AND 25TH STREET THERE IN WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER SOUTHERN FORT PIERCE.STAFF DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF PRESENTING.
I HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION TO GO THROUGH, AND I.
AGAIN, THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS COMPRISED OF TWO DIFFERENT PARCEL I.D.S TOTALING ABOUT 27.2 ACRES.
THE REQUEST IS FOR FINAL PLAN APPROVAL FOR 181.
I THINK STAFF SAID 184. THE NEWEST PLAN IS 181.
I'LL GET WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AFTER THIS MEETING. STAFF DID A GOOD JOB, AND I WISH I HAD PROBABLY SPENT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME LOOKING AT THAT.
THE COMPARABLE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE R-4 ZONING DISTRICT OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW AND THE EXISTING PD.
WE EXCEED SOME OF THOSE CRITERIA IN THE PD.
SO I'M SURE, MOST OF YOU ARE UP THERE ASKING, WELL, WHY DIDN'T BRAD JUST DO A STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IF YOU WANTED TO DO FEE SIMPLE TOWNHOMES, WHICH MEANS THESE TOWNHOMES WILL BE SOLD. THIS IS NOT A RENTAL COMMUNITY.
IT IS A FOR SALE COMMUNITY. THE STY REQUIRES US TO HAVE A BIG RIGHT OF WAY TO ACCESS THIS. TYPICALLY 40 OR 60 FEET IN WIDTH, SO WE THINK GOING TO A SMALLER RIGHT OF WAY DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT THE PAVEMENT. YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE 20 FEET OF ASPHALT, WALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
THIS IS ONLY 181 UNITS, WHICH I THINK IS A PRETTY SMALL DEVELOPMENT FOR WHAT WE DEAL WITH IN OUR BUSINESS.
AND WE REALLY WANTED A TIGHTER RIGHT OF WAY.
IT TAKES UP LESS SPACE, AND WE THINK THAT THIS RESULTS IN AN OVERALL BETTER COMMUNITY. SO THE REQUEST FOR THE PD IS MAINLY JUST BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH.
IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH.
STAFF DID AN EXCELLENT JOB TALKING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL. THAT IS STILL VALID.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. WE COULD PULL A BUILDING PERMIT IF WE WANTED TO FOR THE RENTALS. 216 RENTAL APARTMENT COMMUNITY, AND WE THINK THAT THE MARKET IS BETTER FOR A TOWNHOUSE.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BUYER FOR THIS PIECE AND THINK THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DELIVER UNITS PRETTY QUICKLY, AND IT IS R-4 ZONING. AS I WAS SITTING THERE, I REMEMBERED THAT, EVEN BEFORE OUR OFFICE DID THE 216-UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX APPROVAL, EVEN BEFORE THAT, BACK IN 2006, OVER 20 YEARS AGO NOW, THERE WAS A PREVIOUS APPROVAL FOR TOWNHOUSES, AND WE HAD MODIFIED THAT WHEN WE CAME IN, SO THIS IS THE THIRD APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING. MR. MALLORY WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL THE PROJECTS THAT GET APPROVED IN FORT PIERCE AND NEVER GET BUILT. S? THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE'VE COME FORWARD WITH THIS.
I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT THIS IS THE THIRD APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT, AND THE 2006 WAS ABOUT 170 TOWNHOMES, AND AGAIN, WE'RE AT 181 NOW. THIS IS JUST INTERNAL SITE PLAN DETAILS. AGAIN, IT'S RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM, MAXIMUM DENSITY. WE'RE REZONING TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED AT 181 UNITS, SO REALLY, 36 UNITS UNDER WHAT COULD BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY.
STAFF DID AN EXCELLENT JOB PRESENTING THIS.
WEST OF SUNRISE. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A ZOOM-THIS. THIS IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY MY CLIENT, AND THESE TWO DUPLEXES ARE USED IN THIS ROAD, SHARON TERRACE, I THINK, IS THE NAME OF.
IT SO WE HAD TO GET AN EASEMENT FOR THAT.
I'LL GET TO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER.
WE MET WITH ALL THE FOLKS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
A REALLY GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE. VERY REASONABLE.
A LOT DIFFERENT THAN MOST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS I HAVE.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE LAND USE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LAND USE, WE SEE WHAT'S AROUND US, AND I THINK OFTENTIMES, AGAIN, WHEN I'M PRESENTING IN FRONT OF YOU, I HAVE A PROJECT THAT COULD BE MORE DENSE THAN WHAT'S AROUND IT, AND IN THIS CASE, MY LAND USE IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE LAND USES THAT ARE AROUND ME, SO EVERYONE HAS THE SAME BENEFIT.
THIS IS THE ACTUAL RM DESIGNATION OF THE PLAN.
THE SAYS THE DENSITY IS FROM SIX AND A HALF TO 12, AND IT MENTIONS TOWNHOMES AS AN APPROPRIATE USE, SO WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN. R-4 AROUND THE PROPERTY.
VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE. THE DEFINITION STATES THAT IT'S TOWNHOUSES DWELLINGS UP TO NOT TO EXCEED TEN UNITS PER ACRE OR 12 UNITS PER ACRE IN INNOVATIVE DEVELOPMENTS.
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THESE TWO SLIDES SHOW THAT WE'RE COMPLETELY COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S AROUND US. THIS IS THE PREVIOUSLY-APPROVED SITE PLAN. IT WAS APARTMENT COMMUNITY.216. IT WAS APPROVED BY RIGHT.
AGAIN, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RIGHT OF WAYS FOR THIS ONE, BECAUSE IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, YOU HAVE PARKING LOTS.
YOU DON'T HAVE RIGHT OF WAYS. THIS WAS APPROVED AT ABOUT 9.94 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THE SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2023. WE WERE ABLE TO GET AN EXECUTIVE ORDER EXTENSION AND NOW IT'S SET TO EXPIRE IN 2028.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A THREAT.
AND SOMETIMES I COME ACROSS AND PEOPLE SAY, YOU'RE THREATENING ME, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE THREATENING.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GO AND TELL YOU THE FACTS.
WE COULD BUILD THIS THING TOMORROW.
BUT WE DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT PRODUCT FOR THIS AREA.
WE THINK A FOR-SALE PRODUCT IS RIGHT FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
THREE-STOREY APARTMENTS. VERY SIMILAR SO W TO WHAT WE SEN COMPARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THE AREA TODAY.
THE PLAN NORTH HERE. DADE TO THE SOUTH.
SUNRISE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, AND THEN 25TH STREET IS ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE. 181.
JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT WE'RE AT 8.33 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, SO QUITE A BIT LESS THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND LESS THAN THAT'S ALLOWED IN THE LAND USE AND ZONING.
OUR MAIN ACCESS WOULD BE OFF OF SUNRISE.
THE ACCESS TO DADE ROAD WOULD BE EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY.
DATED ROAD IS A SUBSTANDARD ROADWAY.
IT IS A COUNTY ROADWAY. SUBSTANDARD ROADWAY MEANS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY THERE FOR IT TO MEET THE COUNTY STANDARD, AND ALSO, IT'S NOT BUILT TO A COUNTY STANDARD, MEANING IT'S CHIP SEAL OR MILLINGS.
IT COULD BE GATE WE HAD A KNOX BOX.
I THINK THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO SHOW YOU OVERALL COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN. THIS ENTRANCE HERE, YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW, WE AREN'T PROPOSING IT TO BE GATED, BUT WE HAVE DESIGNED IT TO BE GATED. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GATED DESIGN AND A NON-GATED DESIGN IS THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN AROUND BEFORE THE GATES. RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT PROPOSED TO BE GATED, BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF THE RESIDENTS WANT TO GET TOGETHER AND PUT A GATE UP, IT'S DESIGNED THAT WAY.
THIS ROUND-ABOUT IS A PERFECT PLACE FOR A SCHOOL BUS TURN AROUND AND WITH THE COMMUNITY CLUBHOUSE AND THE CABANA ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT ACCESS, THAT'S WHERE PARENTS WOULD PARK, DROP OFF THE KIDS. ORPIK UP THE KIDS THERE AND THEN LEAVE. WE LOOKED AT THE PIECE ACROSS THE STREET WHEN THEY WERE RECENTLY THERE FOR A SITE VISIT.
MARK AND I WENT THERE, AND WE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS AND TALKED ABOUT HOW A TURN-AROUND AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS.
ESPECIALLY TO THIS BOARD. THEY WERE, LIKE, WELL THESE PEOPLE ACROSS THE WAY HAVE GOT THIS SAME TURN-AROUND, YOU CAN SEE, BUT, OF COURSE, THE SCHOOL BUS STOPS IN THE MIDDLE OF SUNRISE, AND I SAID, I CAN'T CONTROL WHERE THE SCHOOL BUS STOPS, BUT WE ARE PROVIDING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT SCHOOL BUS TO COME IN OFF THE SITE. SHARON TERRACE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. THERE'S ACTUALLY A ROAD THERE
ROUNDABOUT. >> I DO MY ENGINEER HERE.
I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU GUYS. DOES A BETTER JOB OF FILTERING OUT THE DRAINAGE BEFORE IT GOES IN THE GROUND OFF SITE.
STAFF SHOWED THIS ELEVATION. THIS IS A 6 UNIT BUILDING.
TWO CAR GARAGE ON THE END ONE CAR GARAGE THE MIDDLE SIMILAR TO TOWNHOUSES IN THE AREA. THE DETAILS OF THE SITE PLAN WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUS TURNAROUND. BUS WOULD CIRCULATE TO GET OUT RESIDENTS AND GUESTS WOULD COME IN THIS WAY IF IT WERE GATED.
I SAY CLUBHOUSE, IT'S A BATHROOM IN HERE MEN'S AND WOMEN'S BATHROOM AS WELL AS HURRICANE HARDENED AREA.
IT'S REQUIRED FOR PROJECTS IN FORT PIERCE SO.
IF THIS FACILITY WERE TO LOSE POWER PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME TURN THE GENERATOR ON PLUG PHONES ON.
WE TALKED ABOUT HURRICANE ADVANTAGE WAIGSDZ AND MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS THIS BUT THESE HOMES ARE NOT IN A FLOOD ZONE SO WHEN A HURRICANE COMES THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO STAY HERE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ENCOURAGED TO LEAD. AFTER THE HURRICANE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY OR POWER. WON'T BE ENOUGH POWER, BUT IT
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WILL BE ENOUGH WHERE THEY CAN CHARGE CELL PHONES AND THINGS IF THEY NEEDED TO. THIS IS A COMMUNITY RECREATION AREA, POOL CABANA BATHROOM AND POOL THAT WOULD BE SIZED APPROPRIATELY. THE POOL HAS TO GET THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS. POOL SIZE IS REALLY GOVERNED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AGAINING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE THERE SO AS THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT SAID IT'S A PLACE HOLDER FOR WHERE WE THINK THE POOL IS GOING TO GO.IT'S A PART OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS AND SOMETHING IMPORTANT THE TURN LANES WE ARE PROPOSING A LEFT TURN LANE AND RESTRIPE THIS AREA FOR LEFT TURN LANE IN AND PROPOSING A RIGHT TURN LANE IN.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED ACCORDING TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY I REVIEWED AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
WE THINK IT'S A CIFTY ISSUE AND THE REALITY IS WE HAVE AT FAULT SO WE ARE PROPOSING A RIGHT TURN LANE.
THAT'S THE RIGHT TURN LANE. I JUST NOTICED THAT.
WE MET WITH RESIDENTS. WE TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE SO Y'ALL KNOW THE DRAINAGE GOES FROM THE STREET TOWARD THE BACK AND GET COLLECTED ACROSS THE BACK PART OF THIS PROPERTY SO WE HAVE TO COLLECT THEIR DRAINAGE IN THE BACK OF THESE LOTS.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE PROPOSING A 15 FOOT BUFFERER THAT WILL HAVE AN AREA THAT COLLECTS WATER AND CATCH BASINS THAT TAKE TO IT THE LAKE ON OUR PROMPT WE HAVE GOT FINAL ENGINEERING PLANS DONE AND KNOW WE CAN HANDLE THAT WATER. IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
SO WE WALKED THE BACK YARDS AND TALKED WITH FOLKS.
IN ADDITION THERE'S 15 FOOT REAR SET BACK WHICH WILL BE PEOPLES REAR YARDS. IT'S SMALL BUT IT'S THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY'LL OWN THE 15 FEET BEHIND THEIR PROPERTY SO IT'S TOTAL 30 FOOT BACK OF THE HOUSE TO PROPERTY LINE.
TALKED ABOUT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, I THINK STAFF REPORT SAID DEDICATING IT TO THE CITY BUT IT'S A COUNTY ROAD, BUT WE ARE GOING TO DEDICATE 15 FEET TO DADE ROAD.
WE ARE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THEY DUG THEIR HEELS IN ON FORCING TO US BUILT THAT SOD WALL THERE.
WE ARE OBSTRUCTIONING ONE FOR DADE ROAD AND LIKELY SAME ON SUNRISE DEDICATING 15 FOOT ALONG FRONTAGE THAT WOULD BE TO THE COUNTY. DURING THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT STREETLIGHTING. RESIDENTS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT LIGHTS IN THEIR BACK YARDS SO YOU CAN SEE HERE MOST OF THE STREETLIGHTING WILL BE SHIELDED BID THE IS TOWNHOMES ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY WANTED LIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE AND YOU CAN SEE THE RED DOTS DO SHOW SOME LIGHTING.
ZERO SPILL OVER IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE LIGHTING PLANS HERE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. TALKED ABOUT SHARE AND TEARS THAT THE IS BASICALLY A DIRT ROAD WITH SOME, BUILDINGS AND THINGS ON IT AND WE WILL MAINTAIN IT AS IT IS AND THEY HAVE THE AN EASEMENT TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTIES FOREVER.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WE COULDN'T GIVE TO IT THE CITY SO WE KEPT IT AND GAVE THEM AN EASEMENT WITH THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN IT.
STAFF MENTIONED THE PROPERTY TO NORTH THIS IS EXTREME NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. SOME THINGS I LOVE ABOUT MY JOB ALL THE SURPRISES WE GET EVERY DAY AND COME TO FIND OUT THERE'S A GENTLEMAN OR PERSON THAT OWNED A PIECE BACK HERE WITH A BLUE LOT AND HAS NO FRONTAGE. NO WAY TO ACCESS HIS PIECE AND USING THE CANAL AS HIS ACCESS AND HIS DRIVE WAY ACTUALLY COMES ONTO OUR PROPERTY SO WE PLANNED TO PUT A PARKING LOT OR LANDSCAPE BUFFER WHERE THIS YELLOW LINE AND STAFF SAID YOU'RE CUTTING THAT GUY'S ACCESS OFF.
OKAY WE WILL GIVE HIM AN EASEMENT GO ACROSS THE NORTHERN PORTION OF OUR PROPERTY AND SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE.
WE WILL MAINTAIN THAT ACCESS AND NOT IMPACT HIM.
OR HER. I DROVE DOWN THIS STREET JUST AGAIN THIS WEEK AND IT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING.
WE DID HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 2ND AT THE WHITE CITY IMPROVEMENT CLUB. WE SENT ABOUT 166 MAILINGS.
THIS SAYS NINE ADJACENT PROMPT OWNERS FELT LIKE MORE THAN NINE PEOPLE SO IT WAS PROBABLY NINE AND TWO PER HOUSEHOLD.
IT FELT LIKE IT WENT WELL. WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONCERNS WITH DRAINAGE AND MARK AND I WALKED THE SITES WITH THEM AND HOPEFULLY ADDRESSED THEIR DRAINAGE CONCERNS.
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EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT TRAFFIC BUT I WOULD SAY WE HAVE APPROVAL FOR 216 UNITS AND NOW DROPPING TO IT 181 WHICH WOULD BE REDUCTION OF TRAFFIC AND SIDEWALKS ON SUNRISE WE DID RESEARCH ON SIDEWALKS, I'LL GET TO THAT LATER AND ACCESS FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SUNRISE SHARE ANTAREUS.THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT KIDS WALK FROM OUR COMMUNITY ACROSS SHARE AND TEARS SO WE AGREED TO PUT UP A FENCE ALONG OUR EASTERN PROPERTY LINE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM CROSSING THROUGH TO SHARE AND TEARS. WE HAVE ALREADY DONE THE CIVIL PLANS AND FEEL LIKE WE CAN ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE CALL HISTORICAL DRAINAGE EAGLES OF US SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ISSUE WITH THAT TRAFFIC WE TALKED ABOUT 216 AND WE ARE PROVIDING THE TURN LANES AT SUNRISE AS WELL AS EMERGENCY ACCESS ON TO DADE AND REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNIT REDUCTION SO THINGS OVERALL REDUCTION IN TRIPS ON SUNRISE.
WE SPOKE WITH COUNTY, THE COUNTY HAS SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
WE DON'T KNOW WHICH SIDE OF SUNRISE BOULEVARD IT'S GOING BUT IT'S GOING BELL TO CANAL OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY SO THE COUNTY IS DOING THAT BUT NOT UNTIL FEBRUARY 2028 BUT IT'S FUNDED READY TO GO SO THEY'LL HAVE SIDEWALKS ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF OUR PROPERTY ON SUNRISE AND ACCESS TO SHARE AND TEARS WE TALKED ABOUT WORRIED ABOUT KID CUTTING THROUGH SO WE AGREED TO PUT UP SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE IN THAT BUFFER ON OUR EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. SO THE AGAIN THE REQUEST IS FOR 180 LOT FEE SIMPLE TOWNHOUSES THIS IS THE FINAL P.D. SO THE NEXT STEP IN THIS WOULD BE TO SUBMIT A BUILDING PERMIT AND DCPR FOR ESTATE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE AFTER THIS APPROVAL.
THE RESULT IS A 36 UNIT REDUCTION.
THE REDUCTION TO 30 FOOT FOR THE MAX HEIGHT AND INCREASE OPEN SPACE TO 35.77. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
MAKE SURE I DON'T HAVE ANY FANCY NOTES I WANTED TO TOUCH ON BUT I DON'T THINK I DO. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE HAD WITH ME HERE TODAY IS THE MARK LANSMAN AND SEAN THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER ON THE TRAFFIC.
OPENING TO THE BOARD FOR QUESTIONS TO OUR APPLICANTS.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION BUT I WAS JUST PURRAGEOUS DYNA ERUSING, FERT LIGHTER WRSH MEET
ST. LUCIE ORDINANCE. >> WE WILL DEFINITELY CORRECT
THAT FOR YOUR DETAILED REVIEW. >> WAITS FLUKE.
IT WAS A FLUKE. >> YOU'RE HIRED.
NO, I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST JUMPED OUT AT ME.
THE I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.
>> WE'RE ON THE QUESTION SIDE. >> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
I NOTICE THERE WAS A I GUESS WET LAND LITIGATION.
THAT COMPLETED YET? >> EX MA'AM IT WAS.
THAT'S WHAT MADE ME THINK ABOUT THE EARLIER APPROVAL.
THAT WAS DONE BEFORE I GOT INVOLVED WITH THE PROJECT.
CAN YOU SEE THIS AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE IS, LET ME SEE IF THERE'S A BETTER -- I CAN'T SEE IT BUT RIGHT IN HERE THERE'S A WET AREA AND THIS THING WAS READY TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION THE PREVIOUS PLAN. THEY HAD FULL CONSTRUCTION PLANS IN 2006 AND IN WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED 2006-2007 AND MY CLIENT I WORKED FOR TO GET THE APARTMENT PLAN APPROVED HAD IT READY TO GO AND THE ECONOMY FELT AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD SO HE PAID THE MONEY TO THE LITIGATION BANK ALREADY SO THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WENT LANDS AND MY PROFESSIONAL STAFF SAYS THAT WHILE THERE MAY BE WETLANDS THERE THEY'VE BEEN MITIGATED FORWARD AND NO LONGER EXIST AND SO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT WHEN WE GO THROUGH SOUTH FLORIDA BUT THE WET LAND WE HAVE PAID FOR MITIGATION CREDIT AND IN OUR OPINION THOSE WETLANDS HAVE BEEN MITIGATED. THAT WAS BACK IN 2006, 20 YEARS
I WAS JUST READING SOME OF THE SUBMISSIONS THAT SPEAK OTHER WIDE FROM CITY OF FORT PIERCE UNLESS I'M MISREADING WHEN THIS WAS FILED. IT'S NOT DONE YET IN THE FILE
ITSELF. >> LITIGATION IS NOT DONE?
>> ACCORDING TO CITY OF FORT PIERCE UNLESS I'M MISREADING IT
BUT IT SAYS. >> I THOUGHT THE PRESENTATION
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SAID IT HAD BEEN MITIGATED AND PAID.I SAW THAT IN DENNIS' PRESENTATION.
>> THE PPO IN THE FILE I'M NOT SURE THE DATE ON IT.
>> WHAT PPO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.
>> OH, THAT WAS THE QUESTIONS WHEN WE HAVE A TRC, WE KNOW WE MAKE LIKE STATEMENTS TO THE APPLICANT AND THEN THE APPLICANT RESPONDS SO THAT WAS PROBABLY THE ORIGINAL UNDER THE ORIGINAL
THERE'S NO DATE ON IT. I JUST NOTICED THAT.
>> THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS WE SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, STAFF COMES BACK AND SAYS WE HAVE GOT ALL THESE COMMENTS AND I GUESS IT APPEARS ONE COMMENT FROM TRC WAS WHAT IS ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THE WETLANDS AND WE RESPONDED WE MITIGATED THE SOUTH FLORIDA APPROVAL AS WELL AS THE MITIGATION CREDIT APPROVAL.
>> THEN LAST QUESTION, AS FAR AS YOUR TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE CONCERNED, SINCE YOU'VE HAD THIS PROPERTY FOR SO LONG, HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? BECAUSE YOU SAID 181 UNITS, AND YOUR TRAFFIC IS AT 1255. THE OTHER THING WAS TWICE LARGE AND HAD LESS AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE HOW OLD IS YOUR TRAFFIC PLAN, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
>> I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, THE LAST CONSULTANT DIDN'T HAVE TRAFFIC OUT THERE AND TRAFFIC STUDY WAS NOT IDENTIFIED IN THE PROPOSAL, IN THE PRESENTATION AS STAFF DID HERE SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY, YOU KNOW AS A PLANNER I TWO SAY TWO TRIPS PER UNIT IF YOU WERE TO STOP ME IN THE STREET BUT TRAFFIC ENGINEER WOULD SAY DIFFERENT BUT THEY HAVE THIS HUGE PROGRAM AND EQUATION THEY GO TO SO I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE SEAN COUPLE EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW 181 TURNED TO 1200 BUT I THINK THE LAST PRESENTATION THERE WAS A TRAFFIC ENGINEER SO SEAN IF WANT TO COME
UP AND EXPLAIN THAT. >> I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A PAIN.
ONE THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS BECAUSE I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF THESE REPORTS ARE A YEAR OLD AND WITHIN THE LAST YEAR ALONE, WE HAVE HAD AN INCREASE IN POPULATION AND I'M HOW DOES THAT CHANGE AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE DOING THINGS IN THE TIME FRAME AS WELL, BUT TRAFFIC IS SOMETHING I THINK EVERYBODY
LOOKS AT. >> TRAFFIC WE LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE AREA AND THIS IS AN ESTABLISHED OLDER PORTION OF THE CITY. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THERE SO IN THE LAST YEAR I'M PRETTY IN TUNE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE AREA AND I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED IN THE LAST YEAR IN THIS GENERAL AREA AS WE GO BACK TO THIS. I MEAN MOST OF THIS STUFF IS ALREADY HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FORWARD QUITE SOME TIME, SO I DON'T THINK A LOT CHANGED IN THE LAST YEAR BUT SEAN CAN EXPLAIN
THE 181 TO 1200. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, THE SEAN MCKENZIE HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
THE QUESTION IS WHEN WAS THE TRAFFIC STUDY PREPARED IT WAS PRESENTED PAIRED LAST YEAR WHEN THIS WHOLE PROCESS STARTED SO THE STUDY IS APPROXIMATELY ONE YEAR-OLD SO IT WOULD HAVE HAD USED ESSENTIALLY USED CURRENT DATA AT THE TIME, 2025 DATA.
[INAUDIBLE] >> THAT GOES BACK TO ESSENTIALLY A NATIONAL MANUAL CALLED THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER'S TRIP GENERATION MAN YOU'LL AND ENGINEERS LIKE MYSELF COLLECT DATA FROM LOCAL COMMUNITIES SUBMITTED TO ITE, AND THEN THEY COMPILE A LIST OF SPECIFIC TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS CASE MAYBE TOWNHOMES AND CREATE AN AVERAGE SO THEY ESSENTIALLY CREATE A NATIONAL AVERAGE OF HOW MANY TRIPS COME OUT PER HOME OR DWELLING UNITS SO WE USE THOSE FORMULAS PROVIDED TO US BASED ON NATIONAL AVERAGE SO THIS CASE RULE OF THUMB TOWNHOMES GENERATE ABOUT 7 DAILY TRIPS PER HOME SO YOU TAKE THAT 181 MULTIPLY BY 7 YOU'LL PROBABLY GETS CLOSE THAT BUT IF YOU WANT THE SPECIFIC FORMULA I'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE.
>> NO, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS JUST ABOUT HOW FAST THE CITY IS GROWING AND HOW A YEAR IS BARELY QUITE A BIT OF CHANGES OCCUR DURING THAT YEAR SO HOW DOES THAT IMPACT AND I UNDERSTAND THE
WAY YOU FIGURE. >> THAT'S A CONCERN OF ALL OF US, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE USING CONSERVATIVE PROJECTIONS.
SO WE WILL DO A FEW THINGS. WE ARE LOOKING AT HISTORICAL GROWTH SURROUNDING NETWORK AND INCLUDE PROJECT TRIPS TRAFFIC IN THE FUTURE TO SEE WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN 2, 3, 4, 5 YEARS PLUS WITH THE IS PROCESS THE CITY AND COUNTY IMPLEMENT WE
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ARE TRYING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT YET BUILT THAT HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED BUT ARE IN THE APPROVAL PIPELINE AND ADDING THOSE TRIPS ON THE ROADWAY TO SEE IF THERE ARE FAILURES AND PROBLEMS OUT THERE AND TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE BEFORETHEY COME A PROBLEM. >> THANK YOU.
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY A COUPLE MORE THINGS.
I KNOW GUYS HAVE PROBABLY HAD ENOUGH FOR THE DAY BUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY GETS SUBMITTED TO STUDY AND COUNTY.
THE COUNTY DOES GET REVIEWED IN THIS AND WE WILL GET FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY GOING TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
I THINK WE TALK ABOUT JUST TRUST US IT'S BEING REVIEWED AND I KNOW THAT'S HARD FOR ALL TO HEAR BUT IT DOES GET REVIEWED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE THE CITY THE COUNTY THERE, ARE ERROR STANDARDS PUT IN PLACE AS SEAN MENTIONED BEFORE WE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE I WANT YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND THIS BEFORE WE SUBMIT WE GO THROUGH METHODOLOGY REVIEW PROCESS WAS TRANSPORTATION ORGANIZATION WHERE WE SUBMIT WE TELL THESE FOLKS HOW WE THINK WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS STUDY AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO THE STUDY BEFORE WE STARTED SO THERE'S CONTRIBUTE WORK THAT GOES INTO THIS BEFORE THE APPROVAL PROCESS SO I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE I'M PRESENTING IF WE DIDN'T JUST WAKE UP THIS MORNING AND DECIDE I WANTED TO DO 181 ROOM TOWNHOUSE.
THIS HAS BEEN WELL IN THE WORKS OVER A YEAR.
IT TAKES TIME AND THERE'S REVIEW.
IT'S NOT PERFECT BUT THERE'S A TON OF REVIEW.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> YES, IF I CAN ASK A QUESTION WHICH WILL PROBABLY GO TO SEAN WHEN YOU SUBMIT THE INFORMATION FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHEN IT GOES TO THE BOARD YOU HAD MENTIONED IT GOES TO, IS THAT THAT LIKE A COLLECTIVE FOR OTHER TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT ALL SHARE THEIR INFORMATION FOR ON BOARDING PROPERTIES AND OR OTHER PROJECTS?
>> SO, I THINK THE QUESTION YOU HAD IS ONCE WE SUBMIT A TRAFFIC STUDY DOES THAT GO INTO SOME KIND OF GIANT DATABASE THAT WE
CAN ALL PULL FROM. >> TO A DEGREE YES, LIKE IF A PROJECT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP YET, IS POTENTIALLY DOING ANOTHER TRAFFIC STUDY A MILE DOWN THE ROAD THAT YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF, DOES THAT DATABASE KNOW ABOUT IT?
>> THE SHORT ANSWER IS I WISH THERE WERE A DATABASE LIKE THAT.
THAT WOULD MAKE MY LIFE A LOT EASIER BECAUSE I'M CONSTANTLY REACHING OUT TO THE CITY AND COUNTY AND TPO LOOKING THROUGH YOUR PLANNING BOARD NOTES AND THE COUNTY'S AND CITY OF PALOOSE'S NOTES AND ANYBODY ELSE'S NOTES AND DOWNLOADING EVERY BIT OF INFORMATION I CAN TO GET THE MOST CURRENT DATA SO IT ALL GOES INTO THE STUDY SO ESSENTIALLY WE ARE CREATING OUR OWN DATABASE RIGHT NOW WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE
PROCESS. >> IS THAT JUST, EXCUSE ME.
WHEN IT'S NOT IS JUST SEAN THAT'S DOING THAT, SO AGAIN THIS WE SUBMIT THIS METHODOLOGY REQUEST TO THE CITY TO THE COUNTY TO TPO TO DOT SOMETIMES IF WE ARE IN DOT AREA, I CAN TELL YOU I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SEVERAL OF THESE METHODOLOGY MEETINGS THE ENTIRE HOUR LONG DISCUSSION IS ABOUT WHICH PROJECTS YOU'RE GOING TO INCLUDE IN YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY SO THERE'S ANALYSIS PEOPLE HAVE INHERENT KNOWLEDGE WHAT'S HANGSZ IN THIS AREA. IS THERE A SPREADSHEET OR DATA BARRACKS NO THERE ISN'T BUT THAT METHODOLOGY MEETING IS THE PLACE WHERE WE START THINKING IS IT A REAL PROJECT, SHOULD WE INCLUDE IT, SO I HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN IT, SO THERE IS WHILE THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A SCIENTIFIC WAY OF DOING IT IT IS BASED ON PEOPLES KNOWLEDGE AND YOU DO HAVE QUITE THE F PO CITY AND COUNTY WILL BE IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER.
>> SO IF I CAN ASK A QUESTION AND WHEN DO I I'M IN NO MEANS DIRECTING IT TO YOUR PROJECT OR YOURSELVES BUT JUST FOR UNDERSTANDING BEING THAT THIS IS YOU AND OR SOMEONE IN A SIMILAR PROFESSION, SUBMITTING THIS, CAN A COMPANY SUBMIT THINGS AND LEAVE THINGS OUT THAT WOULD BE NON-BENEFICIAL FOR THEIR CASE IF THERE WAS, SAY, EXTREMELY LARGE PROJECTS IN THE AREA?
>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET APPROVAL THROUGH THE COUNTY OR CITY. IF IT'S SOMETHING NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT MAYBE SO. IT CAN HAPPEN.
IF IT'S A LARGE PROJECT MOST PEOPLE KNOW BIT SO I'M SPECIFICALLY THINKING ABOUT AREAS WHERE THERE'S MORE DEVELOPMENT. THINK ABOUT THE ROAD CORRIDOR IS WHAT I'M THINK. SEAN AND I HAVE BEEN TO METHODOLOGY MEETINGS AND STUFF PROPOSED ON INJURY ROAD AND A
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LOT OF DISCUSSION SO IF IT'S A BIG PROJECT TYPICALLY SOMEBODY KNOWS BIT AND IT'S DISCUSSED DURING THAT METHODOLOGY PROCESS.>> IT COULD HAPPEN? >> YES SIR I BELIEVE IT COULD IN
>> YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? AT THIS TIME WE OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK.
PLEASE STEP FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN.
>> MY NAME IS CARL SCHAEFER. I LIVE ON SUNRISE BOULEVARD.
TALK ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE MEETING THE ONE NIGHT WE WERE THERE AND AS WHERE I LIVE WE HAVE 25TH STREET. YOU GOT THREE SCHOOLS OVER HERE AND THE PROBLEM IS FOR BUZZ COMING IN THAT PLACE WHERE ARE THE BUZZ COME FROM? EVERYONE LIVES, ALL THE SKROOLS ALONG 25TH STREET THEY'RE GOING TO WALK THERE.
OKAY. THAT'S MY CONCERN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW LIKE I SAID I LIVE KITTY CORNER FROM THE PROPERTY BEING DEVELOPED, TALKING ABOUT BEING GEPD AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IS NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS THERE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IS I HAVE KIDS WE GET UP MY WIFE IS A TEACHER AT WESTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL AND WE HAVE TO LEAVE THE HOUSE BY 6:00 THE LATEST AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THERE'S KIDS WALKING ALONG THAT STREET ALL THE TIME, AND SCARY BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THEY'RE NOT WALKING AGAINST THE TRAFFIC. THEY'RE WALKING WITH THE TRAFFIC AND I'VE TALKED TO THE KIDS MANY TIMES, I SAY GUYS YOU NEED A FLASHLIGHT AND ALL THIS STUFF. MY CONCERN IS YOU GUYS SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A SIDEWALK. WHERE?
I'M JUST OCCUR JUST. >> SIR, YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO THE
BOARD. >> YOU HAVE TO SPEAK IN THE MIC
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THE SIDEWALKS ARE, WHERE THEY'RE
GOING TO PUT SIDEWALKS. >> THANK.
>> WE ARE GOING TO BE PROPOSING SIDEWALKS ON OUR FRUJ BUT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BUILD SIDEWALKS FROM BILLION DOLLARS TO CANAL SO THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE INSTALLING SIDEWALKS SO OUR PROPERTY WILL ONLY DO IT ON OUR FRUJ BUT THE COUNTY WILL DO IT IN 2028. THEY'VE GOT THE FUNDING.
I'M NOT SURE WHICH SIDE BUT THEY'RE REQUIRING US TO BUILD ON OUR FRUJ SO IN THEORY IT MAKES SENSE WEST SIDE OF SUNRISE BUT WE HAVE VERIFICATION THERE'S FUNDING IN PLACE TO BUILD A SIDE
WALKED. >> IS ANYTHING HAPPENING ON DADE ROAD? THE SCHOOL IS RIGHT HERE AND ANOTHER SCHOOL HERE SO THE KIDS ARE GOING TO WANT TO COME DOWN DAVID ROAD TO GO TO SCHOOL THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO
COME ALL THE WAY TO BELL AVENUE. >> SO AS I STATED IN MY PRESENTATION DADE ROAD IS SUBSTANDARD MEANING NOT NIGHT RIGHT OF WAY FOR SIDEWALK OR STANDARD ROADWAY SO WE ARE BUILDING A SIDEWALK ON YOU OR PORTION OF IT BUT WE DO NOT AS YOU GET CLOSER TO SUNRISE ON DADE ROAD, LET ME SEED IF MY SLIDE HAZE YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE HOUSES AND THINGS CLOSE TO DADE ROAD SO IF WERE YOU TO EXPAND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO EMINENT DOMAIN AND TAKE NEEMS HOUSES SO DADE ROAD CAN GET EXPENSIVE TO BUILD THAT WAY. ON OUR PROPERTY WE ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD A SIDEWALK BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL 25TH TO SUNRISE. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RIGHT OF WEIGHED TO BUILD A SIDEWALK. NOT SURE HOW THAT'S GOING TO GETS RESOLVED. WE ARE DOING OUR PORTION OF IT.
>> OKAY. MY CONCERN IS THE KIDS.
I KNOW THESE KIDS ARE GOING WALKING ALONG DADE ROAD AND THEY HAVE TO GET TO SCHOOL. I'M SORRY.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC BEHIND.
THIS I MEAN I UNDERSTAND YOU GOT A PROPOSAL FOR SIDEWALKS AND ALL THIS STUFF BUT THIS STARTS BEING DEVELOPED NEXT YEAR WHAT'S THE KIDS GOING TO DO? ANOTHER THING YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A TURN LANE. WHERE ARE YOU PUTTING THE TURN LANE? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A TURN
LANE ON A TWO LANE HIGHWAY. >> BECAUSE THERE'S A THIRD LANE ALREADY HERE. SO THIS IS GOING INTO THE OTHER COMMUNITY. THIS IS A LEFT TURN LANE GOING IN. LEFT TURN LANE GOING INTO THE EXISTING COMMUNITY. THIS IS ACTUALLY STRIPING RIGHT HERE SO WE WILL MILL AND RESTRIPE THIS AS LEFT TURN.
YOU SEE THE LEFT TURN LINES WE PUT IN AND ADD ASPHALT FOR THE RIGHT TURN LANE. WE WILL HAVE TO ADD.
THIS GIVING RIGHT OF WAY TO THE COUNTY ADD THE RIGHT TURN LANE AND THE ASPHALT IS THERE SO RESURFACE AND SINCE YOU LIVE THERE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS STRIPE THERE SO THAT WOULD TURN
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INTO A TURN LANE. >> IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT. SO OKAY.
YEAH, I HAVE NOTES MY WIFE SENT ME.
I TRY. SHE'S TEACHING RIGHT NOW.
[INAUDIBLE] TRAINS COMING THROUGH THERE TOO.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS I'VE SEEN MORE AND IN ORDER TRAFFIC ON SUNRISE BOULEVARD AND THE ASPECT BACKING ALL THE WAY UP TO BELL AVENUE FROM THE TRAIN AND I WONDER IS ANYONE LOOKING INTO
THAT AT ALL. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT'S NOT REALLY OUR DEPARTMENT. IT IS ON THE RECORD.
>> I WAS TALKING ABOUT STREETLIGHTS.
I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT OF STREETLIGHTS.
>> OKAY, SIR. WE HAVE A 3 MINUTE LIMIT FOR OUR
THANK YOU. IT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE DATE ABOUT THE DATA CENTER. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING ON.
HARDLY KNEW ABOUT IT. I'M SORRY.
IS THERE BULLETINS OR SOMETHING? NEWSPAPER.
THEY DON'T HAVE NEWSPAPERS. I'M SORRY, T COMP.
>> YOU CAN LOOK UNDER FROOETSZ AGENDA AND MINUTES AND YOU IT
WILL TELL YOU. >> OR GET NOTIFICATION.
>> THIS MEANS BECAUSE HE TOLD ME ABOUT IT.
>> THE DATA CENTER, OH MY GOSH. I'LL BE AT THAT MEETING FOR
ANYONE ELSE COMING FROM THE PUBLIC PLEASE COME FORWARD STATE YOUR NAME SIGN IN. AGAIN WE HAVE A 3 MINUTE LIMIT FOR OUR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
>> LAST ONE, ONE LINE LEFT. >> THERE'S ANOTHER SHEET THERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND ISLAND BE BRIEF. I ONLY HAVE ONE ISSUE.
>> STATE YOUR NAME SIR. >> I'M SORRY.
>> STATE YOUR NAME. >> I'M SORRY MY NAME IS RICHARD TREMBLAY, 2011 DADE ROAD ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE FACILITY WE ARE GOING TO PUT ON. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE FATHOM. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS AND MY FIRST ONE IS THE EMERGENCY EXIT.
I WENT TO THE MEETING, THEY TOLD ME POLICE, FIRE, AMBULANCE IT'S GOING TO BE GATED OR SOMETHING THERE TO ON INSTRUCT OTHER PEOPLE. I READ THE INFORMATION ON THE CITY WEB SITE AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TRASH TRUCKS SCHOOL BUZZ AND OTHER THINGS SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME USE I GUESS TO THIS LAST GATE F. YOU'RE STANDING IN MY DRIVEWAY IT'S RIGHT THERE. I HAVE A SIX-YEAR-OLD SON WHO LOVES TO RIDE THE BIKE UP AND DOWN THE DRIVEWAY AND WITH ALL THOSE VEHICLES I'M VERY CONCERNED.
WHAT I WANT TO ASK WOULD IT BED POSSIBLE TO MOVE THAT TO THE WSW CORNER IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING ROAD THAT'S ALREADY THERE, A ROAD THAT COMES RIGHT STRAIGHT DOWN.
I DON'T NODE IF WE CAN SHOW THAT OR ANYTHING ON THESE SLIDES.
THERE'S A ROAD THAT COMES STRAIGHT DOWN THROUGH.
WELL, YOU CAN SEE THE ROAD ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER COMES STRAIGHT DOWN AND ACTUALLY PAST THE OTHER HOUSING UNI-INTERESTS AND IS A LITTLE PARKING LOT THERE AND JUST HAVE TO PUT THAT THROUGH TO DADE ROAD LET THAT BE THE EMERGENCY EXIT, IT WOULD BE OUT OF THE WAY OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THE SAFETY OF MY GRANDSON AND IF EMERGENCY VEHICLES COME IN THE THEY COME THE OTHER WAY
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THEY MAKE A RIGHT OR LEFT TURN. THIS ONE YOU DRIVE STRAIGHT ON ONCE YOU MAKE THE CORNER IN THE PLACE YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.THAT'S MY FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FOR CONSIDERATION FROM THE BOARD AND THE SECOND THING, EVEN CLOSE TORE ME AND MY PROPERTY IF YOU LOOK WHERE THE EXISTING EMERGENCY EXIT WITH IS THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE OUR MINI LIFT STATION.
THE ANYONE BEEN NEAR WHEN OR HAS ONE YOU KNOW THEY MAKE NOISE WHEN THEY RUN, 181 UNITS IT'S GOING TO RUN, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
IT MAY BE QUIET WHEN IT FIRST GOES IN BUT IT WILL JUST BE A MATTER OF TIME AND THERE WILL BE NOISE AND ALSO EVENTS AND THAT'S A WONDERFUL SMELL YOU CONTINUE NEED COMING ACROSS YOUR YARD.
I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND BEING I WAS TOLD AT THE MEETING THAT THE PIPES THAT ARE GOING TO CONNECT TO THIS ARE COMING IN FROM SUNRISE BOULEVARD, SO IF THAT COULD BE MOVED TO THAT GRASSY AIRED IN THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, WE HAVE A LOT OF VEGETATION THERE THAT WILL HOPEFULLY MUSCLE SOME OF THE NOISE SOME OF THE SOUND THAT'S HAPPENING, MAYBE EVEN DISPERSE SOME OF THE SMELL AND IT'S A SHORTER LINE FROM THE PINE LINE COMING OFF SUNRISE BOULEVARD, AND YOU KNOW IT PROBABLY WILL STILL BE A BIT OF AN ISSUE BUT AT LEAST WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO HAVE IT RIGHT OUT THERE IN THE OPEN.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC? STATE YOUR NAME, SIGN IN.
>> HELLO. NAME IS JEAN WITTERT, 1640 BELL AVENUE I'M NOT IN THE NOTICING AREA OF THIS PROJECT BUT BEEN AT MY RESIDENCE OVER 30 YEARS SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA AND HOW IT AFFECTS ME IN GENERAL ON BELL AVENUE.
SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
BUT AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC STUDIED AND THE DATE IT WAS DONE, WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT ON PAGE 82 OF THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS STUDY THERE'S A TABLE THAT REFERENCES THE DIFFERENT ROADS IN THIS AREA. IT SAYS FOR SUNRISE TO OLEANDER AND 26 TO SUNRISE ON BILLION DOLLARS TO GRADE C WHICH IS GOING TO BE DROPPING DOWN WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC WE HAVE COMING FROM THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA WITHIN ONE TO TWO MILES OF THIS PROPOSED HEIGHT AND IT'S SHORT, THAT WITH THE PHYSICAL COUNT OF 2023 FROM THE YEAR 2023.
SO, AGAIN IF THAT'S BASED ON THE TWPTH PHYSICAL COUNT ON THOSE ROADWAYS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT WITHIN A YEAR OF THE APPLICATION THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY HAS TO BE DONE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT ALL FACTORS IN.
AND, ON PAGE 2, OF THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, I BELIEVE IT DID INDICATE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO LEFT TURN OR RIGHT TURN REQUIRED, SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO DO THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED.
IS THAT GOING TO BE A CONDITION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO KEEP IN THERE OR SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ADDING THE CONDITIONS SO IT DOESN'T GET FORGOTTEN? AND AS FAR AS THE SIDEWALKS, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID BEFORE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF KIDS WALKING ON DADE SUBSTANDARD ROAD AND THERE'S SCHOOLS IN THE AREA. AS FAR AS THE COUNTY TO DID ITS PART ON SUNRISE FROM BELL TO EDWARDS, I DON'T NODE THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I'VE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE AND THEY SAID IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON PROPERTY TAX AND BE FUNDED BUT WILL IT ACTUALLY BE SO WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER SIDEWALKS ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE OR NOT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE THIS DEVELOPMENT GETS BUILT.
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AS FAR AS THE APPLICANT'S TRC RESPONSE LETTER, PAGE 2 NUMBER 10 IT TALKS ABOUT THE [INDISTINCT] APPROACH THAT IS REQUIRED AND MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THAT ELEMENT THAT IS AN ENLIGHTENED IMAGINATIVE APPROACH.IN RESPECT TO THAT I'M GOING TO GET ON MY SOAPBOX.
I WOULD LIKE TO THINK ENLIGHTENED APPROACH I WOULD LIKE THAT PEOPLE GO ABOVE THAT. THAT TO ME WOULD BE EASTBOUND LIGHT END ORDINARY IMAGINATIVE APPROACH TO ANY PROBABLE BECAUSE AS WE AGE IN PLACE WE NEED THOSE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO NURSING HOMES AND WE DON'T HAVE HAD TO LEAVE OUR HOUSES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MEANS FOR THE PHYSICAL USE OF OUR EXISTING HOMES. SO WHY NOT DO UNIVERSAL DESIGN.
WHY NOT CREATE THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE, THE ACCESSIBILITY FOR PEOPLE TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES.
AS THEY AGE AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE DISABLED YOU KNOW EVEN FROM BIRTH, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES PERIOD AND THAT TO ME IS AN ENLIGHTENED IMAGINATIVE APPROACH IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE THAT AS THEIR PROJECT.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
AND AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL BUS, I CAN ATTEST THEY DO NOT USE THE CIRCLES WE PUT IN THE ROUND ABOUTS, THEY JUST STOP ON THE ROAD ANYWAY EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE SAID YES THAT LOOKS GREAT OUR BUS WILL FIT AND THEY WOULD DO A U-TURN BUT THEY DON'T, THEY STOP ON THE ROAD SO IT'S NICE THAT THEY REQUIRE IT BUT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY USE IT SO HOW CAN CURRY ADDRESS THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE WHOEVER THE POWERS TO-BE THAT HAVE CONTROL OR NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
AND AS FAR AS THE BUFFER LAND ESCAPES AND THE REDUCED NUMBER OF UNITS, YOU KNOW I DO APPRECIATE THAT FROM THE APPLICANT. AND AGAIN, I GUESS I'M JUST NOT IN THE NOTICING AREA THAT IS REQUIRED AND I THINK THEY'VE BROUGHT THAT UP AT THIS BOARD BEFORE IN THE PAST THAT THE REQUIREMENT FOR NOTICE I THINK IT'S 500 FEET FOR SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO EFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH EVEN A QUARTER ACRE YOU'RE [INDISTINCT] PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY RECEIVING NOTICE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IS LARGER NOTICING AREA FOR PROJECTS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO REACH OUT TO ME IN THE FUTURE WHO I SHOULD APPROACH THAT WITH SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT ADDRESSED PERHAPS IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CODE CAN BE AMENDED FOR THE CITY TO LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW.
ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? NOW WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION AND RETURN IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> MR. FREEMAN AREN'T YOU WORKING ON SOMETHING TO INCREASE NOTICE OR THAT YOU'VE TALKED
ABOUT IT. >> YES, IT'S BEEN MENTIONED THE CITY COMMISSION THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR NOTICING RADII ENGAGE STAFF IN TERMS OF EXPENSE AND COST AND AT THE MOMENT WE ARE IN A COST-CUTTING SITUATION.
>> JURISDICTIONS REQUIRE DEVELOPERS TO PAY THAT.
I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE YOU KNOW COMMENT ADVICE ON DOES THAT MAKE THE PROCESS MORE ONEROUS AND 180 AND WE ARE CHANGING THE PROCESS.
THERE ARE MANY THINGS ASPECT TO THIS AND STAFF TIME DOING IT AND IF WE CAN GET OUR BEFORE 180, WE WERE WORKING ON A CODE AMENDMENT TO MOVE ALL THAT NOTICING TO THE APPLICANT BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT
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OF TIME THAT IT WAS TAKING FROM STAFF.AND 500 IS 500 FEET GENERATES A LOT OF [INDISTINCT] BUT YEAH, WE
ARE AWARE OF IT. >> IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE RAISED.
>> SPECIFICALLY, IF I MAY, IT SPECIFICALLY AFFECTS AGAIN THE LADY DID MENTION LOTS THAT ARE QUITE LARGE, BECAUSE THAT 500 AND THAT USUALLY AFFECTS THOSE TRANSITIONAL AREAS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY WERE MOVING INTO AREAS THAT HAVE LARGER LOTS THAN THAT TRANSITION.
>> AND THE WHITE CITY AREA. >> EXACTLY THAT'S PRECISELY THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE TRANSITION AREAS WHERE IT'S LARGER HIGHER DENSITY LOWER DENSITY AND SMALL LOTS SO WE ARE LOOKING AT IT AND INVESTIGATING WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO.
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE, OPEN TO A MOTION. I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
AS FAR AS THE WETLANDS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP I WAS ACTUALLY WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYTHING, I HAVEN'T FOUND ANYTHING ON IT PERTAINING TO THAT. IS THAT IN THE PACKET?
IS THAT SOMETHING WE SEE? >> I THINK THE APPLICANT TAKES
PLACE [INDISTINCT]. >> IT'S NOT REALLY IN THERE.
YOU DO HAVE THAT, RIGHT? >> FOR THE RECORD BRAD CURRY.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WITH ME. LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE WE DIDN'T MITIGATE IT AND WE DIDN'T PAY INTO THE WET LAND MITIGATION BANK IT REALLY WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HANDLE WHEN WE GET THE SOUTH FLORIDA PERMIT SO I BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
YOU -- I ACTUALLY MIGHT HAVE IT. BUT EVEN IF IT WEREN'T TAKEN CARE OF ALREADY, THE PROCESS FOR MITIGATING THOSE WETLANDS IS THE SOUTH FLORIDA DISTRICT MANAGER'S PROCESS SO I GUESS THE ONLY THING THAT YOU COULD SAY AT THIS BOARD IS, HEY, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO IMPACT THE WETLANDS AND WE WANT YOU TO MODIFY YOUR PLANS TO NOT IMPACT THE WETLANDS. I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE DIRECTION WOULD YOU TAKE BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE QUALITY OF THE WETLANDS ARE EXTREMELY POOR THEY'RE ISOLATED WET LANDS THAT'S WHY WE WERE ABLE TO PAY INTO THE WETLANDS MITIGATION BANK AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY 100 IMPACTED BY INVASE I HAVE EXOTIC VEGETATION. SO CAN I DEFINITELY HAVE SOMETHING PREPARED BY THE TIME WE GO TO CITY COMMISSION AND SHOW WHERE WE PAID THE MITIGATION FEE.
I KNOW WE DIDN'T I'VE SEEN WITNESS MY OWN EYES SO I KNOW THAT IT'S THERE AND I DON'T NODE IF THAT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY MORE
COMFORTABLE. >> I APPRECIATE IT ACTUALLY BALLS I'M LOOKING FOR IT AND I COULDN'T COME ACROSS IT JUST SO IT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED BUT NOTHING ELSE.
APPRECIATE IT. >> I KNOW HOW THIS ITEM GOES.
I WILL GO SIT TOWN AND LOOK AT IT SUNS I HAD ALREADY MISSED MY
4:30 APPOINTMENT. >> JUST A COUPLE OR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC THE ISSUE OF THE TURN LANES, THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE PLAN, BUT THEY'RE NOT A CONDITION SO THE QUESTION WAS ASKED IS THAT SUFFICIENT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE APPLICANT GRACIOUSLY PROVIDED THEM. IS THAT STUFF BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE PLAN OR DOES IT NEED TO BE --
>> WE SHOULD HAVE CONDITIONS RELATING TO THOSE.
>> AND MAYBE GOING FORWARD, THE COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THESE CAN BE MORE ENLIGHTENED AND IMAGINATIVE IN TERMS OF BECAUSE THE COMMENTS ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY RELATE TO OUR SENIORS, ALL OF KIND OF THING AND I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING FOR APPLICANTS IN THE FUTURE MAYBE TO THINK ABOUT THAT OR FOR ALL OF US AND MANY OF US WOULD LIKE WOULD STAY IN OUR HOMES.
>> I ALREADY NOTED THAT. THE ISSUE OF THE SCHOOL BUS IS AN ISSUE FOR THE DISTRICT TO BE DIRECT ITS DRIVERS TO UTILIZE
WHAT'S BEEN PROVIDED. >> AND CONTROL THAT, YES.
THAT'S TRUE. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND ADDING A CONDITION ABOUT THE TWO TURN LANES.
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>> IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.
THAT WE SET THE MOTION WITH THE STATED CONDITIONS AND ADDITION OF THE TURNING LANE. AS AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION.
>> AND THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU.
NOW WE ARE DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 7, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS TIME TO
[8. DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
SPEAK, PLEASE MOVE UP FORWARD AND DO SO.SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 7.
THE REFERENCE REPORT. MR. FREEMAN.
>> MY REPORT IS ABOUT A HEADACHE.
[LAUGHTER] >> SO THE BIGGEST THING THAT'S BEEN ON OUR TABLE THIS FEW WEEKS IS THE DATA CENTER SO WE WILL WORK THROUGH THAT AND KEEP YOU APPRAISED ON THAT THE AS CAN YOU SEE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF APPLICATIONS GOING THROUGH OUR TEAM AT THE MOMENT, AND REALY THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
[9. BOARD COMMENTS]
WE ARE WORKING VERY HARD. >> APPRECIATE IT.
>> THE WAY THAT WAS TABLED WILL THAT COME BACK IN THE UPCOMING MEETING POTENTIALLY OR THE MEETING PROBABLY AFTER THAT?
>> WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF DOING THE ANALYSIS AND THEN HAVING COMMISSION INPUT ON WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK. IT MAY BE SOME TIME AWAY BECAUSE THEY WILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT REZONING THEY WILL NEED.
WHAT CATEGORY WOULD THAT BE IN THE THEY DO CHOOSE TO COME
FORWARD WITH THAT. >> WITH SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO BE AS MUCH OR AS HIGHLIGHTED AS A ISSUE SUCH AS THAT, IS IT POSSIBLE ON THOSE MEETINGS TO GET THAT FOX GIVEN EARLIER OR MAYBE UPDATES EARLIER ON SO WE HAVE MORE TIME TO REVIEW THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REAL HOT BUTTON ISSUES?
>> WE HAVE MOST OF THE COMMENTS MADE ON THAT ONE.
AS SOCIAL MEDIA TOUCHED ON THIS THE LAST 2 OR 3 DAYS.
>> THE AGENDA IS PUBLISHED THAT'S WHEN THEY GET THE
COMMENTS. >> CORRECT BUT THIS IS POTENTIALLY ALREADY IN THE AGENDA BEFORE WE GET IT SENT TO OUR AGENDA. IT'S KNOWN ABOUT OR IS IT NOT, OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO BE WITHIN THAT MONTH.
>> IT'S NOT UNTIL A FEW DAYS BEFORE THE AGENDA IS PUBLISHED THAT WE ACTUALLY DETERMINE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TO GO TO THE BOARD AND YEAH. THE CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE AT THE MOMENT TO BE PREEMPTIVE IN THINGS IS LIMITED.
YEAH. I'D RATHER NOT HAVE 197 PEOPLE CRAMMED INTO A ROOM AND WANTING TO DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE REALLY NOT HAD AND YOU'VE NOT REALLY HAD THE FULL OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE GO FORWARD WITH THAT, AND ACTUALLY, HOW THE AGENDA WAS ORGANIZED AND THE PROCESS OF THIS MEETING WAS AS A RESULT OF WHAT I SAW COMING IN, WHAT THE ISSUES ARE LIKELY TO BE AND WAS SPEAKING TO THE APPLICANT DURING THIS WEEK AND I WAS ADDRESSING SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS. AND IT WAS DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO PROCESS THIS.
AND IT WASN'T UNTIL EARLY THIS MORNING THAT I FIGURED OUT THIS HAS GOT TO BE DONE IN A CERTAIN WAY.
WE HAVE GOT TO BE REASONABLE WITH THE APPLICANT IN TERMS OF HOW WE HANDLE IT FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW AND THIEF BEEN IN THE SYSTEM. THEY'VE BEEN REVIEWED ALL THAT THING AND WE HAVE GOT TO BE FAIR WITH THE CITIZENS SO HOW DO WE ARRANGE THAT IN A WAY THAT DOES GIVE US MORE TIME TO PROCESS THIS. AND REALLY STAFF CAN'T COME UP WITH AN ANSWER TO ZONING DISTRICT OTHER CONDITIONAL USE
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UNTIL WE GET NEWS FROM THE PLANNING PROJECT.IT'S A CATCH 22 HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND INITIALLY THIS WAS BEING THAT APPLICATION WAS PRIMARILY BEING DEALT WITH AS JUST A REZONING. WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED TO MAYBE AND THERE WERE THINGS IN THE APPLICATION THAT GAVE US SOME INDICATION IT WAS GOING TO MOVE THAT WAY BUT ESSENTIALLY WE WERE JUST DEALING WITH A REZONING [INDISTINCT] CAN WAS HAD A ENTITLEMENTS ON. THE APPLICANT WAS COMING WITH WITH VARIATIONS TO SECURE CERTAIN THINGS BASED ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DATA CENTER BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A SITE PLAN FOR THE DATA CENTER AND ALL THOSE THINGS A LOT OF THINGS WE WOULD HEAR TODAY WOULD BE DEALT WITH WITH A MAJOR SITE PLAN.
IT'S A LARGER CONCERN. WE SEE THE CONCERNS OF NOT JUST THIS COMMUNITY BUT MANY ACROSS THE TREASURE COAST AND KUND -- COUNTRY IN OUR STATE. IT'S A DIFFICULT PLACE TO BE WITHOUT FULL DATA ANALYSIS AND WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO RUN THAT WITH THIS APPLICATION.
SO NOW WE WILL HAVE SOME TIME TO DO THAT.
>> JUST ONE COMMENT AND THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT APPLIED FOR REZONING, DID YOU HAVE A LIST OF USES, BUT THEN SHARED.
>> YES, YES. >> SHARED IN ITS DOCUMENTS THAT IT WAS PROPOSING A DATA CENTER WHICH WASN'T A USE, AND REZONING ARE BASED ON A CATEGORY AND THINGS, SO I'M TRYING NOT TO BE CRITICAL BUT IT WAS LIKE A SELF GENERATED ISSUE WHICH BECAUSE I MEAN IT WAS ZONING IS YOU GET WHATEVER IS ESTABLISHED.
SO IN THAT RESPECT POPPING ANY USE THAT WASN'T ESTABLISHED CREATED A LOT OF CONFUSION IN THE PUBLIC CONCERN.
>> YES. >> AND PEOPLE SHOWED UP AND SOME OF THAT SO THAT'S CONCERNING. I THINK I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A REQUIREMENT IN USES BECAUSE FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE IT'S REALLY
NOT, THEY'RE NOT BOUND BY IT. >> CORRECT.
>> THEY COULD TELL YOU THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A CAR WASH AND THEN BUILD A DROOUTH RESTAURANTS.
THE. >> THAT'S THE TYPE OF RANGE OF THINGS YOU HAVE IN A ZONING DISTRICT.
>> HAVING THAT JUST JUMPED OUT AT ME AS CON USING.
>> BUT IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL, AM I CORRECT?
>> IT'S MIXED USE. >> SO YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO REZONE IT EYE HEARD THE WAY IF IT'S GOING INDUSTRIAL.
SO IF YOU ZONE IT INCORRECTLY IT WOULD COST HIM TO REZONE IT AGAIN. SO IT'S A COST-EFFECTIVE
IT WAS PUSHING YOU TO MAKE A DECISION SO THAT HE CAN GO THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND IT'S NOT CONSISTENT.
DOES IT VARY FROM LIGHT INDUSTRY TO HEAVY INDUSTRY IT'S MORE PREVALENT IN LIGHT INDUSTRY AROUND THERE.
>> AND PROBABLY SINCE THIS APPLICANT MAY COME BACK, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT DECIDING THE ISSUE BEFORE IT'S PRESENTED AND WE ARE SPEAKING VERY GLOBALLY.
>> THIS IS WHAT STAFF DID. >> AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE TOO AND I APOLOGIZE. BEFORE THE CITY ATTORNEY JUMPS
IN HERE AND SHAKES HER FINGER. >> THANK YOU.
YOU'RE MAKING MY JOB SO EASY TO TODAY. I'VE HAD A ROUGH WEEK.
>> LET ME SWITCH GEARS AND I HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT QUESTION PROCEDURE FOR YOU. WHEN YOU GET SOMETHING IN THE TECHNICAL REVIEW WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME FROM WHEN YOU BUILD IN THE TECHNICAL I'M NOT SURE IT'S CALLED REVIEW BOARD OR WHATEVER TO WHEN YOU DECIDE IT'S READY TO GO IN FRONT.
WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME FOR THAT? >> THAT IS VERY INDETERMINANT.
THE APPLICANT WILL PUT AN APPLICATION IN.
IT WILL GOAD -- GO OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT 15-30 DAYS OF THAT
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PAIR, AGAINING WHEN THE APPLICATION COMES IN.IT GOES TO THE APPLICANT. WE INTERNALLY COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OR THE EXTERNAL AGENCY THAT MADE THAT ISSUE.
IT MAY BE MORE THAN ONE MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS GOING ON.
SO THAT TIME, DEPENDING ON THE APPLICANTS'S RESOURCEFULNESS AND ABILITY TO ADDRESS THINGS IN THEIR TIMELINE, CAN GO YOU KNOW ANOTHER THREE MONTHS. POTENTIALLY.
>> LET ME THEN BE MORE SPECIFIC. HOW MUCH TIME IS AN APPLICANT GIVEN ONCE THEY'RE COMPLIANT WITH THE TECHNICAL REVIEW TO THIS IS HOW MUCH TIME YOU HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD? WHAT'S THAT TIME FRAME?
>> IT'S BASED ON THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.
THE STAFF TIME TO PUT THE APPLICATION TOGETHER, SO THAT CAN BE VERY, END UP VERY QUICK. IN BETWEEN WOULD BE WEEKS AND
FOUR WEEKS PUT TOGETHER. >> THE REASON I'M ASKING IS TO GO BACK TO WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE ASKING, TO HAVE MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
>> WE ARE UNDER STATE CONSTRAINTS FOR HOW LONG WE HAVE TO PROCESS APPLICATIONS SO WE ARE ALWAYS UNDER THAT CLOCK.
YES. >> ONE LAST QUESTION ON THIS.
THIS MIGHT BE A BIG QUESTION BUT MAYBE YOU CAN, SO POTENTIAL BALLOT AND WITH A LOT OF THOUGHTS WITH STATEMENT ABOUT TAXATION, PROPERTY TAXES. IN YOUR OPINION IS YOUR SPECULATION BETWEEN OTHER STAFFS MUNICIPALITIES, DO YOU SEE MORE PRESSURE FROM MUNICIPALITIES OR BY APPLICANTS TO PUSH THINGS THAT ARE LARGER LIKE THIS LARGER TAX ROLL?
>> SPECULATING WE ARE LOOKING AT THE CITY OFF SETTING THAT REVENUE LOSS. HOW THAT'S DONE OR ACHIEVED, THE MARKET MAKES ITS OWN DETERMINATIONS.
IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY BRING FORWARD.
THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT OR NOT TO ACCEPT OR DENY THEM.
IT'S UP TO BEING SECOND SPECULATIVE.
>> YOU DO HAVE A HEADACHE. >> RIGHT.
>> I'M ONLY ASKING BECAUSE THIS PROJECT BEING BROUGHT TO THE TABLE WE JUST WATCHED GOING TO THE COUNTY OR BROUGHT UP MULTIPLE TIMES HERE SO THERE WILL BE MORE COMING.
>> I THINK THAT THIS IS PROBABLY OVER THE LENGTH AND BREADTH OF THE STATE. THIS IS PROBABLY THE MORE PREVALENT APPLICATION COMING FORWARD AT THE MOMENT IN ALL AREAS. FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW WE SEE THE CYCLES AND THIS WAS OUT OF STEP WITH THE CYCLE.
SO WHAT YOU NORMALLY SEE IN A DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IN A CITY AT VARIOUS STAGES AND WE HAVE SEEN IT HERE IF YOU THINK BACK ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN COMING IN HERE OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS.
IT BEGINS WITH THINGS LIKE STORAGE UNITS.
HOTELS AND CASH WASHES. AND YOU'LL SEE THIS TIDAL WAVE OF THINGS COMING THROUGH. RESIDENTIAL.
THINGS THAT THEN ADD ON TO THE CAPACITY OF RESIDENTIAL SERVICE, RESIDENTIAL. THINGS OF CONSEQUENCE TO HAVING MORE RESIDENTIAL AND TRAFFIC. NOW WE GOT A SPATE OF COLLISION
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REPAIR CENTERS, VEHICLE SERVICE CENTERS, THEY'RE ALL A CONSEQUENCE OF THE PREVIOUS CYCLE DEVELOPMENT.DATA CENTERS ARE A CONSEQUENCE OF PEOPLE USING WHATEVER PRODUCT SOCIAL MEDIA PUT OUT IN FRONT OF THEM OR WHATEVER.
OR TELECOMS. AND MOST PEOPLE IF THEY DON'T REALIZE MAYBE SHOULD START TO REALIZE, THE MORE THEY USE SEARCH FOR WEB FACILITIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THE MORE THE DEMAND FOR THE SUPPLY OF THOSE THINGS.
IT'S A CONSEQUENCE AND THE CITY HAS GONE THROUGH THOSE WAVES.
YOU'LL SEE THINGS BEING BUILT IN THOSE WAVES.
FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS FOR THE MARKET TO GO IN TERMS OF THE DEMAND CYCLE HERE HERE.
I'M HOPING THAT IT'S RELATED TO JOBS AND COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES THAT WILL AS A CONSEQUENCE BE REQUIRED FROM THE RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S THE USUAL CYCLE THAT WE HAVE ALL SEEN THERE.
ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OF WORKING DIFFERENT WAYS OF CONSUMPTION AND WAREHOUSING IS ANOTHER STEP IN ALL OF THIS AND THEN THE LAST MILE DELIVERY STEPS YOU ORDER THINGS ON LINE.
THEY'VE GOT TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE BUT EVERYTHING IS CHANGING REALLY RAPIDLY AND PEOPLES BEHAVIOR IS REALLY USED TO SAY PEOPLE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH COVID I USED TO SAY PEOPLE ARE BEING TRAINED TO ACT IN A CERTAIN WAY WITHOUT REALIZING THAT, WE ALL STARTED TO ORDER MORE ON LINE.
YOU KNOW, THE DEMAND FOR WHATEVER IS, THAT'S WHAT THE DEMAND IS AT THE MOMENT. IT MAY FALL AWAY AND MAYBE GO TO SATELLITE. I DON'T KNOW.
SOME FOLKS MIGHT THINK THAT. >> RIGHT.
>> MAYBE THE NEXT CYCLE. >> ANYTHING ELSE?
>> HOPEFULLY NOT. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU ALL TODAY FOR HOW YOU HANDLED THAT SITUATION AND IT'S VERY DEMANDING ON THE THOUGHT PROCESS AND STRESS LEVELS AND EVERYTHING SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
ANYONE ELSE FOR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS?
>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> I'M SO SICK.
>> MOTION TO ADJOURN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.