[00:00:06] >> I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE CITY COMMISSION, IT IS MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 2026. PLEASE STAND FOR THE OPENING PRAYER BY JORDAN GOOD, ASSISTANT IS PASTOR BIBLE BAPTIST CHURCH. >> LET'S PRAY. LORD WE THANK YOU FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, BE WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SON WE PRAY YOU BLESS OUR CITY OR PRAY THAT YOU LIFT UP OUR LEADERS GIVE THEM WISDOM, WE PRAY THAT YOU BLESS AND HONOR IT, AND WE PRAY THIS IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 8, 2026 REGULAR MEETING. >> APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND AND CALL THE ROLL. [A. Taiwan Day, Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in Miami] >> NEXT IS IS PROCLAMATION. TAIWAN DAY STLOFS IF YOU'RE HERE. [READING] [READING] [READING] >> CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU HONORABLE MAYOR AND ALSO ALL THE HONORABLE COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO LET ME HAVE A CHANCE TO COME HERE. I'M COUNCIL GENERAL OF TAIWAN. I FEEL SO PROUD. ONE FRIEND ASKED ME HAVE YOU BEEN TO THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY, SUNRISE CITY. COIL HERE QUITE OFTEN. BECAUSE OF MY OFFICE ACTUALLY IS IN MIAMI BUT WE HAVE A BIG COMMUNITY IN ORLANDO SO I TRAVEL CUP, IN THE MEADOW WAY I WANT TO BUY A PLACE. FORT PIERCE SAYS ALWAYS IN MY HEART. I ALSO SHARE WITH THE MAYOR, I ALSO CALL ABOUT INDIAN RIVER STATE COLLEGE. IT'S A GREAT COLLEGE NURTURING SO MANY TALENTS THIS THIS BEAUTIFUL STATE COLLEGE. I ALSO PROMISE TO DR. TIMOTHY MOORE IN THE FUTURE, TAIWAN AND ALSO THIS GREAT COLLEGE, WE SHOULD WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE WE ALWAYS SAY THAT TALENT MEANS A LOT. YOUNG TALENT MEANS OUR FUTURE. I CAN SHARE WITH YOU, TAIWAN IS A SMALL ISLAND. IT'S JUST A QUARTER OF FLORIDA BUT WE HAVE 23 MILLION PEOPLE. WE DON'T HAVE HAD ANY OIL AND GAS, BUT WE HAVE HUMAN RESOURCES. WE THANK YOU SO MUCH THE AMERICAN STRONG SUPPORT TO TAIWAN. [00:05:01] WE ALSO HIGH HI APPRECIATE THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY, ALSO GIVE US SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY THIS PROCLAMATION. IT MEANS A LOT FOR US. I ALSO WANT TO REPORT TO YOU, DURING THE TERM, I SERVED IN MIAMI THIS FLORIDA STATE AROUND 3 YEARS. DURING THE PAST THREE YEARS ACTUAL WHAT I WE TRY TO DO IS TRY TO PROMOTE THE GOOD WILL BETWEEN FLORIDA AND TAIWAN. FLORIDA AND TAIWAN WE BUILD A SISTER STATE RELATIONSHIP, SINCE 1992. UNTIL NOW WE ALMOST TO CELEBRATE THE 35 SISTERHOOD NEXT YEAR, SO WE SINCERELY HOPE IN THE NEXT YEAR WE HAVE MORE AND MORE CULTURE EVENTS TAKE PLACE BETWEEN TAIWAN AND FLORIDA, AND ALSO THIS YEAR WE HAVE A DELEGATION FROM FLORIDA TO VISIT TAIWAN TO ENHANCEING THE GOOD RELATIONSHIP. AND NOW, LAST WEEK, THE STATE PRESENTED AND THE STATE SENATORS ORGANIZE TO VISIT TAIWAN SO WE HOPE IN THE NEAR FUTURE THE HONORABLE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS YOU CAN COME VISIT AUTONOMOUS BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MEAN TAIWANESE PEOPLE AND WE HAVE A SISTER CITY RELATIONSHIP AND WE HAVE A SMALL CITY IN TAIWAN. WE SINCERELY HOPE THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY CAN ORGANIZE A DELEGATION TO VISIT TO SEE HOW WE CAN USE A.I. TO MAKE THE THEY RUN SO BEAUTIFULLY. MAYOR YOUR EXPERIENCE SHARE WITH US IT MEANS A LOT TO US AND ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING ME HAVE A CHANCE TO BE HERE. THAT'S OUR HONOR AND WE WILL PASS THIS IS PROCLAMATION BACK TO TAIWAN TO SHARE THE HAPPINESS WITH ALL THE PEOPLE. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] [B. National Remembrance Day of Murdered Victims, Survivors of Murdered Victims Support Group, Inc.] >> WHICH ONE IF Y'ALL GOING TO TAIWAN? >> NEXT PROCLAMATION IS NATIONAL REMEMBRANCE DAY OF MURDERED VICTIMS. [READING] [READING] [READING] >> THANK YOU. >> WE LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? >> YES, I WOULD. TO THE MAYOR AND TO THE CITY COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR GIVING US THIS PROCLAMATION. IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO THE DREAM LAND PARK, PLEASE COME OUT AND SEE THE WORK THAT THE ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN DOING. TANGIBLE THAT WE CAN SEE AND THEN THE UNTANGIBLE WHEN WE WORK WITH THE FAMILIES SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR NOT THE ONLY PROCLAMATION BUT THE HELP THAT YOU GIVE US AT THE PARK AT THE THINGS, THE LIGHTING, AND WE WANT MORE LIGHTING AND THE BENCHES THAT ARE OUT THERE, SO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING. I'M GOING TO USE THIS MOMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST A FRACTION OF FAMILIES THAT ARE CELEBRATING THIS DAY. AND ALL OF US UP HERE HAVE BEEN BOMBARDED WITH THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THESE FLOCK IS SYSTEMS AND EVERYTHING, AND THE REASON THEY'RE IMPORTANT AND [00:10:04] WE HAD CAN WORK OUT THE KINKS TO FIX SIT TO PREVENT THIS GROUP FROM GROWING LARGER. I HAD A WEEKEND THIS WEEKEND WITH A GROUP CALLED MOMS ACTION AGAINST GUN VIOLENCE. GUN VIOLENCE IS NUMBER ONE KILLER OF YOUTH IN THE UNITED STATES, SO LET'S PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER, BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS GROUP GETTING [INDISTINCT] SOME PEOPLE STANDING IN THE GROUP, I'M GETTING EMOTIONAL I KNOW WHY THEY'RE STANDING THERE. I KNOW THEM. SO, I JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING. EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING, AND I'LL HAVE YOU BACK. >> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH AND WE DO WANT GROUPS ORGANIZATIONS TO WORK TOGETHER MOMS DEMANDING ACTION, CRIME SURVIVOR JUSTICE, ALLIANCE FOR JUSTICE AND FAITH IN FLORIDA SO SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT COME TOGETHER TO DO THE WORK THAT WE ARE DOING AND TRY TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. >> WE THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> THE NEXT PROCLAMATION IS [C. H.E.R. Day, Reach with Love, Inc.] H.E.R. DAY, REACH WITH LOVE, INC. [READING] [READING] [READING] [READING] [READING] [READING]. >> CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? >> YEAH, HONORABLE MAYOR COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER AND THE ENTIRE STAFF, I'M PAMELA HEINZ. I'M THE VISIONARY OF H.E.R. PLACE AND WE MEET ONCE A MONTH MONDAY. WE WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND BUT RIGHT NOW HEIGHTS EVERY MONDAY AND WE BRING TOGETHER WOMEN THAT ARE HURTING NOT WHOM JUST THEIR EMOTIONS BUT FINANCE AND SPIRITUAL AND EDUCATIONAL GROWTH AND I'VE NOTICED SINCE I'VE LIVED HERE THERE IS NOT A WOMEN'S SHELTER IN THIS CITY. AND I GO ON BUT I WANT TO SAY THIS, THAT ONE OF MY MAJOR GOALS IS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A WOMEN'S SHELTER HERE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA AND I'M GOING TO BE REACHING OUT FOR YOUR HELP F. Y'ALL WOULD KEEP OUR PLACE IN H.E.R. PLACE, SAFE PLACE FOR WOMEN TO FIELD IT WOULD BE AN HONOR AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONSIDERING US AND NOTICING US BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING H.E.R. PLACE OUTSIDE H.E.R. PLACE BEFORE IT WAS GIVEN A NAME FOR [00:15:02] ABOUT 18 YEARS TAKING GIRLS AND WOMEN INTO MY HOME FOR 18 MOONS RESTORING THEM AND WOMEN THAT ARE DEAL WITH ALCOHOL BRING THEM INTO MY HOME AND JUST TAKE THE CHANCE AND WATCH THEM GO THROUGH THEIR RECOVERY AND I BELIEVE THAT NOW IT'S TIME THAT IT BE BIRTHED IN OUR CITY AND I'M LOOKING FOR NOT JUST ME BUT YOU HAD ALL TO HELP MAKE THIS CITY BETTER FOR OUR WOMEN, OUR GIRLS. >> THANK. >> AND THAT'S MY CRY AND MY PLEA TODAY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. [APPLAUSE] [8. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA] >> ALL RIGHT. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO OR APPROVAL OF THE DLOOEGS. >> ARE THERE A DIGSZ OR DELETIONS OR MOTION TO MOVE. >> MOVE TO. >> SECOND. [11. CONSENT AGENDA] FROM THE PUBLIC. CONSENT AGENDA. >> I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> MOVE TO ACCEPT. >> SECOND. >> [A. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 26-019 providing for the levying and collecting of taxes for the City of Fort Pierce for Fiscal year beginning October 1, 2026 and ending September 30, 2027 and adopting the final millage rate of 6.9.  SECOND READING] >> I HAVE TO READ THESE NEXT TWO ORDINANCES THE WHOLE ENTIRE THING SO THE NEXT ITEM IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 4019 [READING] [READING] [READING] [READING] [READING]. >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING. ANYONE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO MOVEMENT, I'LL BRING THIS BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR MOTION OR DISCUSSION. >> MADAM MAYOR MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. [B. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 26-020 adopting the final budget for the City of Fort Pierce for fiscal year beginning October 1, 2026 and ending September 30, 2027.  SECOND READING] >> NEXT ITEM. [READING] >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION PLEASE COME FORWARD? SEEING NO MOVEMENT, I'LL COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND TAINT MOTION OR DISCUSSION. [00:20:03] >> MADAM MAYOR MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND, CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. [C. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance No. 26-016: An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida, extending the territorial limits of the City to include one (1) parcel containing approximately 0.19 acres, generally located on Juanita Avenue and immediately west of 2211 N. 19th Street, Fort Pierce, Florida. SECOND READING] >> NEXT ITEM, ORDINANCE. [READING] >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO MOVEMENT, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION INTO MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. [D. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance No. 26-017: An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida; amending the Future Land Use Map of the Comprehensive Plan to change the designation of one (1) parcel containing approximately 0.19 acres, generally located on Juanita Avenue and immediately west of 2211 N. 19th Street, from St. Lucie County Future Land Use designation of Residential Urban (RU) to City of Fort Pierce Future Land Use designation of Low Density Residential (RL). SECOND READING] [READING] [READING]. >> THIS IS THE SECONDS READING. >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING. ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO MOVEMENT I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION. >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. [E. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance No. 26-018: An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce amending the City's Zoning Atlas, rezoning one (1) parcel consisting of approximately 0.19 acres, and being generally located on Juanita Avenue and immediately west of 2211 N. 19th Street, Fort Pierce, Florida, from St. Lucie County Zoning of Residential, Single-Family - 4 (RS-4) to City of Fort Pierce Zoning of Single-Family Low Density Residential (R-1). SECOND READING] [READING]. >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING. ANYONE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD AND SEEING NO MOVEMENT I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND AND CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. [A. Review and discussion of City Clerk Employment Contract which is scheduled to auto renew on January 6, 2027.] [READING]. >> ALL RIGHTY. MS. COX PUT THIS MATTER ON AS DIRECTED BY THE COMMISSION TO GET AHEAD OF THE 90 DAY RENEWAL CONTRACT. SHE DID GIVE SOME BACKUP AND ALSO SENT SOME MEMOS, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION. >> MADAM MAYOR I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE MS. COX IS NOT HERE SHE DID NOT SKIP THIS MEETING. BALLS YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL SAY, SHE DID NOT SKIP THIS MEETING. SHE'S DEALING WITH A FAMILY ISSUE SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD THAT'S WHY SHE'S NOT HERE. >> THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT THE YES, SIR. >> I FOR ONE AM READY TO RENEW SO I'LL STATE MY PREFERENCE OFF THE BAT. COMMISSIONER BROAD RICK. >> AS WELL, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO COMMENT A LOT OF US HAVE INTERACTION WITH LINDA AND HER OFFICE STAKHOVSKY AND I FIND THAT HER OFFICE IS RUN WITH MILITARY PRECISION. IVE NEVER AND SINGLE ISSUE THERE. WITH ALL THE REQUESTS THAT I'VE MADE MAY ENTERTAINING OUR SCHEDULES ET CETERA AND HER STAFF IS JUST AS COMPLIMENTARY AS SHE IS, IN MANAGING OUR AFFAIRS. AND THAT'S ON TOP OF HER MANAGING THE CITY'S AFFAIRS AS FAR AS THE CLERK'S RESPONSIBILITIES ARE OUTLINED IN THE CHARTER. SO, I FULLY SUPPORT EXTENDING HER CONTRACT AT THIS TIME. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. >> DUE TO A PAST CONFUSION ON SOME OF MY WORDS REGARDING THE CHARTER AND CHARTER DISCUSSIONS, I HAVE WRITTEN A STATEMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO READ INTO THE RECORD SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION GOING FORWARD AS TO MY POSITION. MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS I [00:25:05] WANT TO BEGIN WITH THE DOCUMENT TH THAT DOCUMENT IS NOT THE EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT. IT IS THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THE CHART PLACES ALL POWERS OF THE CITY AND THE DETERMINATION OF THIS POWERS OF THIS CITY COMMISSION. IT AUTHORIZES THE COMMISSION ACTING COLLECTIVELY TO, THE CHARTER DOES NOT DESCRIBE THREE OFFICERS AS CO-EQUAL. IT DOES NOT CALL THEM THREE ON THE MUST BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT. IT DOES NOT CREATE THREE SEPARATE ADMINISTRATIONS OPERATING INDEPENDENTLY OF ONE ANOTHER. THE CHARTER ASSIGNS EACH OFFICE A DISTINCT ROLE. A COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF MANAGER IS CHIEF EXECUTIVE AND ADMINISTRATIVE HEAD OF THE THE MUNICIPAL GOVERN GOVERNMENT THE MANAGER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS COMMISSION FOR THE PROPER ADMINISTRATION OF ALL AFFAIRS OF THE CITY. THE MANAGER REPRAYERS AND EXECUTES THE BUDGETS, ADMINISTERS PERSONNEL MATTERS WITHIN THE MANAGERERS JURISDICTION. SUPERVISES CITY DEPARTMENTS, REPORTS ON THE CITY'S FINANCES AND CARRIES OUT THE LAWFUL OF THE CITY COMMISSION. CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDES LEGAL ADVICE AND REPRESENTATIONS TO THE CITY THE CITY MANAGER THE CITY CLERK AND DEPARTMENTS AND OFFICERS AND BOARDS. THE CITY CLERK MAINTAINS THE CITY'S OFFICIALS RECORDS, MINIMUM, ORDINANCES, RESOLUTIONS, CONTRACTS, ELECTIONS AND OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES ASSIGNED BY THE CHARTER COPED AND COMMISSION. THE CHARTER EXCLUDES THE OFFICES OF THE CLERK AND ATTORNEY FROM THE MANAGER'S DIRECTS SUPERVISION. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER. I UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THAT PROTECTION. THE MANAGER DOES NOT HIRE, FIRE, EVALUATE OR DIRECTLY SUPER VICE THOSE TWO CHARTER OFFICERS BUT FREEDOM FROM DIRECT SUPERVISION IS NOT THE SAME AS EQUALITY OF AUTHORITY. IT IS NOT THE SAME AS COMAUTONO AND IT DOES NOT MEAN ANY DEPARTMENT CAN OPERATE DEIRDRE THAT DISTINCTION IS CENTRAL TO MY CONCERN WITH THE EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT. THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT MERELY SAY THE CLERK REPORTS TO THE COMMISSION. IT GOES SUBSTANTIALLY FURTHER. IT DECLARES THAT THE CLERK IS AN INDEPENDENT AND CO-EQUAL CHARTER OFFICERS. THOSE WORDS DO NOT APPEAR IN THE CHARTER. THE AGREEMENT THEN STATES THAT NO OTHER CHARTER OFFICER HAS ANY AUTHORITY OR ABILITY TO DIRECT SUPERVISOR INTERFERE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION OR ACTIVITY OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE, INCLUSION ANY AND ALL PERCENT NEMD ACTIONS OR DECISIONS. AGAIN, THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER. IT IS ADDITIONAL CONTRACTUAL LANGUAGE. THE WORD INTERFERE IS ESPECIALLY CONCERNING BECAUSE IT IS UNDEFINED LEGITIMATE LEGAL REVIEW BUDGET ADMINISTRATION PERSONNEL PROCEDURES, PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENTS, CYBER SECURITY PROTECTIONS RIFRKS MANAGEMENT AND RECORDS COORDINATION COULD ALL BE CHARACTERIZED AS INTERFERENCE UNDER SUCH BROAD LANGUAGE. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE CITY SHOULD CONTINUE AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT THAT MAY BE INTERPRETED AS GRANTING AUTHORITY BEYOND THE CHARTER THAT WHICH IT TULTD I PROVIDES. THIS IS NOT ABOUT PLACING THE CLERK UNDER THE CITY MANAGER AND I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT THE THIS IS ABOUT RECOGNIZING THE INDEPENDENCE WITHIN THE OFFICER'S ASSIGNED RESPONSIBILITY. IT DOES NOT MEAN ISOLATION FROM THE REST OF THE CITY, CITY GOVERNMENT. EVERY CHARTER OFFICER WORKS FOR THE CITY COMMISSION MORE IMPORTANTLY ALL OF US WORK FOR THE SAME CITY AND THE SAME TAXPAYERS. WE SHOULD HAVE ONE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT, NOT SEPARATE OFFICES PROTECTING INSTITUTIONAL TERRITORY FROM ONE TOO. HISTORY WE HAVE, REVIEWED MAKES THIS CONCERN MORE SIGNIFICANT. BEFORE THIS AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED, IN JANUARY, 2020 AN OUTSIDE HELD REVIEW HAD BEEN SENT TO THE FORMER CITY ATTORNEY AND COP I HAD TO THE CITY CLERK. THAT REVIEW WHICH WAS SENT TO US BY THE CLERK LAST WEEK, WAS REVIEWED AND ADDRESSED RESPECTIVE LEGAL STATUS OF THE MANAGER CLERK AND ATTORNEY PROVISIONS. THE OUTSIDE REVIEW RECOGNIZES THAT THE COMMISSIONS APPOINTMENT OF THE CLERK AND ATTORNEY WAS PART OF THE CITY'S FORM OF GOVERNMENT BUT IT DID NOT DESCRIBE THOSE OFFICERS AS CO-EQUAL WITH THE MANAGER, NOR DID IT ENDORSE ABSOLUTE [00:30:06] AUTONOMY. IT RECOGNIZED MANY OF THE DUTIES OF THE CLERK WERE ORGANIZATIONAL RATHER THAN INDEPENDENT CHARTER POWERS AND I'M NOT ALLEGING MISCONDUCT OR PERSONAL MOTIVE. WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF TURNOVER HERE WITH THE ATTORNEYS ONLY A FEW OF THE CLERKS AND CERTAINLY SEVERAL CITY MANAGERS, SO A LOST THINGS COULD HAVE HAPPENED JUST BY INTERPRETATION, ONE'S PERSONAL VIEW WHAUF THE LANGUAGE MAY HAVE SAID AND SO ON. I'M SAYING THAT THE AGREEMENT RESULTING FROM THAT PERIOD CONTAINS AN EXPANSIVE INTERPRETATION THAT'S NOT FOUND IN THE CHARTER. WE NOW HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DECIDE WHETHER THAT AGREEMENT SHOULD RENEW AUTOMATICALLY FOR ANOTHER YEAR. NON-RENEWAL IS NOT TERMINATION FOR CAUSE. IT'S NOT A IS DECLARATION THAT THE CLERK HAS COMMITTED MINNEAPOLIS CONDUCT. IT DOES NOT END EMPLOYMENT. THE PRESENT AGREEMENT WOULD CONTINUE THROUGH JANUARY 26, 2027 AND DOES NOT PREVENT THIS COMMISSION FROM GOING BACK TO THE FOUNDATIONAL PROSPECT OF WHAT THIS CITY IS POSTED TO BE AND GROW. NON-RENEWAL DOES PREVENT THE EXISTING LANGUAGE FROM CONTINUING AUTOMATICALLY SIMPLY BECAUSE WE FAILED TO ACT BEFORE THE DEAD LINE. IF WE ALLOW AUTOMATIC RENEW, WE HAVE THE AFFIRMATIVELY PRESERVED THE LANGUAGE THAT WE NOW KNOW RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ALLOCATION OF AUTHORITY. ADMINISTRATIVE COORDINATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOVERNING BY AUTOMATIC RENEWAL. THESE ARE AMONG THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL AGREEMENTS REVIEWED. A REPLACEMENT AGREEMENT SHOULD MAKE SEVERAL UNMISTAKABLE. FIRST THE CLERK IS APPOINTED BY AND ACCOUNT TO BE THE CITY COMMISSION AND NOT DIRECTLY SUPERVISED BY THE CITY MANAGER. SECOND NOTHING IN THE AGREEMENT MAY ENLARGE OR DIMINISH POWERS ESTABLISHED BY THE CHARTER. THIRD THE OFFICERS MUST COOPERATE IN GOOD FAITH, SHARE INFORMATION AND COURT FADE MATTERS INVOLVING MORE THAN ONE OFFICE. FOURTH, NO CHARTER OFFICE IS EXEMPT FROM GENERALLY APPLICABLE CITY REQUIREMENTS INVOLVING BUDGET, FINANCIAL CONTROLS, PROCUREMENT, HUMAN RESOURCES INFORMATION FALL CYBER SECURITY RISK MANAGEMENT RECORDS RETENTION ETHICS THOSE REQUIREMENTS DO NOT IMPAIR THE DUTY EXPRESSLY ASSIGNED BY THE CHARTER OR LAW. FIFTH, DISPUTES AMONG CHARTER OFFICERS SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION FOR RESOLUTION, NOT ALLOWED TO BE CONTINUED OR NOT ALLOWED TO BECOME INSTITUTION AL CONTINUING CONFLICTS. I BELIEVE THE PRESENT AGREEMENT SHOULD NOT BE RENEWED. I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT SOME MEMBERS MAY NOT YET BE PREPARED TO DECIDE WHO SHOULD SERVE AS CLERK AFTER JANUARY 6. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKEN THAT TIRE DECISION TODAY. TODAY WE NEED TO DECIDE WHETHER THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT WITH THE PARTICULAR CONTRACT WITH THIS EXPANSION SHOULD RENEW. I BELIEVE IT SHOULD NOT. THEREFORE, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON THE RECORD, TO NOT BE CONFUSED THAT I'M NOT SUGGESTING TERMINATION IN THIS STATEMENT. MY POSITION IS SIMPLY TO REVIEW THE LANGUAGE, GIVE TIME FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO HAVE CONVERT SITUATIONS WITH THE CLERK BUT IN DOING SO WE HAVE TO PROVIDE BEFORE THE LATEST OCTOBER 5TH MEETING TO SAY THAT THE CONTRACT WOULD NOT BE RENEWED AS WRITTEN AND TO GIVE THE CLERK THAT NOTICE BUT IF THERE AREN'T THREE VOTES TO TERMINATE IT, THAT'S FINE, BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER THAT THE LANGUAGE GIVES AUTHORITY IN THAT CONTRACT NOT UNLIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S CONTRACT STATED, AND I THINK THAT IT'S OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE CHARTER AND IT SHOULD BE REVIEWED AND BE MORE CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH CHARTER LANGUAGE. THANK YOU MAYOR. >> SO, I GUESS I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I COULDN'T DISAGREE MORE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ARE OBJECTING TO WAS DELIBERATELY ADDED TO THOSE CONTRACTS. WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE COMMISSION OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING [00:35:01] AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS FOR THE AUTONOMY ESPECIALLY FOR THE CITY CLERK IS THE FACT THAT SHE'S IN CHARGE OF ELECTIONS AND THAT OFFICE IS IN CHARGE OF ELECTIONS THAT OFFICE CANNOT BED IN ANY WAY IN THE, INFLUENCED BY ANYTHING ELSE IN THE CITY IN TERMS OF THE ELECTION, SO THAT IS AT LEAST ONE REASON, AND IF YOU READ, QUOTE FROM THE CHARTER, IT SAYS THAT THE CITY MANAGER SHALL BE THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE. THIS IS THE CHARTER APPROVED BY THE VOTERS. THE CITY MANAGER SHALL BE THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE AND ADMINISTRATIVE HEAD OF THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT HAND SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE TO THE COMMISSION FOR THE PROPER ADMINISTRATION OF ALL AFFAIRS OF THE CITY HE SHALL EXERCISE GENERAL SUPERVISION AND CONTROL OVER ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS EXCEPT THE OFFICE OF CITY CLERK CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY AUDITORS. HIS POWERS AND DUTIES SHALL BE AND THEY'RE A-J. SO, STRONGLY WISH TO KEEP THE CONTRACT EXACTLY LIKE IT IS. AND IT WORKS. IT WORKS. THIS HAS WORKED. AND IT'S MEANT, AND I, IF I WERE CITY MANAGER, I WOULD WANT THAT TO BE AUTONOMOUS TOO, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT INFLUENCE THE RECORD KEEPING OR WHAT GETS KEPT OR WHERE IT GETS KEPT AND YOU WANT THAT INDEPENDENCE FROM THAT, BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER HAS HIS LANE AND HE'S IN CHARGE OF THE STAKHOVSKY AND THE EXECUTION OF EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, WHICH FOLLOWS ALL THE PERSONNEL. THEY ABIDE BY ALL THE PERSONNEL RULES AND EVERYTHING IN THE PERSONNEL MANUAL IS ABIDED BY EVERY EMPLOYEE. >> MADAM MAYOR IF I MAY RESPOND. >> NO. COULD YOU LET SOMEBODY ELSE TALK? ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO CHIME IN BEFORE YOU TALK AGAIN? >> CURTIS, YOU HAVEN'T STARTED YET. OR ARNOLD. I REVIEWED THE CHARTER AND IT CALLS FOR THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE SPECIFICALLY AND THE CHARTER SHOULD NOT BE MODIFIED IN ANY EXAMS I HAD THE, SO THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO BE INDEPENDENT AND REPORT DIRECTLY TO THIS COMMISSION AND HER STAFF NEED TO REPORT DIRECTLY TO HER. THEY ARE EMPLOYS OF THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. THE CITY CLERK IS NIFD THE CHARTER AS A CHARTER OFFICER, AND I SEE NO REASON TO MODIFY THAT. IN FACT, I BELIEVE IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THE CHARTER OFFICER SEPARATE, THE RESPONSIBILITY ACCEPT A RATE AND THEIR EMPLOYEES HIRED INTEGRALLY HIRED BY THE CITY OFFICE. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> I GUESS I'M LOST. I SPENT 5-6 YEARS AND I THOUGHT I KNEW I WAS DOING UP HERE AND APPARENTLY I CONTINUE. SO WHAT I HEAR HERE IS ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES HAS A CHALLENGE WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER. RIGHT? THE CONTRACT. SO, THE CONTRACT IS IN CONFLICT IN YOUR MIND WITH THE CHART SNERD. >> RIGHT. >> HAND SO, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW THE CHARTER IS PUT ON US BY THE PEOPLE, AND MAKING ANY CHANGES BEFORE THE CHARTER HAS TO GO BEFORE THE PUBLIC. SO WE ARE NOT ASKING. I GUESS FOR ME IT COMES DOWN TO HR, THE CONTRACT WE HAVE WAS PUT TOGETHER BY HR I'M ASSUME AND THAT WE HIRED THIS PARTICULAR CITY CLERK WITH THIS CONTRACT ET CETERA AND MY UNDERSTANDING HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT THOSE THREE OFFICERS ARE AUTONOMOUS. THE ATTORNEY HAS HER OFFICE, THE CLERK HAS HER OFFICE AND MR. CHASE HAS HIS OFFICE. AND IF I HAVE CHALLENGES I DEAL WITH THEM SEPARATELY I DEAL WITH THEIR CONDUCT OF THEIR OFFICE IT SET A SO THAT'S HOW I'M APPROACHING THIS AND WILL ALWAYS APPROACH IT AND CAME HERE TONIGHT WITH SUPPORT OF MS. COX MOVING ON WITH HER CONTRACT. IF THERE'S CLEAR THINGS IN THIS CONTRACT YOU NEED TO POINT IT OUT MAYBE I NEED TO HEAR THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE CHARTERED I THINK THAT DISCUSSION SHOULD ELEVATE THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S A SERIOUS, IN MY CASE BREACH ALLEGATION CHANGE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I AM SATISFIED WITH MS. COX RUNNING OF CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND CONDUCTING IT DAY IN DAY OUT OPERATIONS OF THAT OFFICE. AND SO, THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY COMMENT HERE. DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE DIFFERENT. [00:40:03] SO I NEED A LITTLE HELP HERE I GUESS. >> GO AHEAD. >> OKAY. THANK YOU AND YOU'RE RIGHT, AND IF YOU RECALL MY STATEMENT WHICH IS WHY I SAID THAT I WANTED TO READ IT SO I DIDN'T MAKE ANY MISTAKES IS THAT EACH OFFICE HAS THEIR OWN DUTIES BUT THE CHARTER DOES NOT PROVIDE THE LANGUAGE THAT IS IN THE CONTRACT. THE CONTRACT TO ME AFTER READING IT AND I HAD ACTUALLY SOUGHT SOME ADVICE I WAS AT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES TRAINING AND I WAITED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION OVER THE WEEKEND WHILE I WAS THERE AND ENTERED IN SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE ARE HAVING TONIGHT IS THAT THE CONTRACT IS A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CHARTER OFFICERS AND THE COMMISSION. BUT THE LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT EXPANDS THE POWER AND AUTHORITY WITHIN THAT CONTRAC. IT'S NOT IN LINE WITH THE WORDS AND THE DIRECTION OF THE CHARTER ITSELF. SO, I'M NOT ASKING TO NOT RENEW A CONTRACT OF SOME SORT GOING FORWARD. I'M NOT ASKING TO RELIEVE HER OF HER EMPLOYMENT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE US TO DO IS GET BACK TO THE FUNDAMENTALS AS A CITY GOVERNMENT AND GET BACK TO THE CHARTER AS THE GUIDING DOCUMENT. SO, IF THERE WERE THREE VOTES TO SAY, LOOK, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I SPOKE WITH THE CLERK EARLIER TODAY. SHE'S NOT IN FAVOR OF CHANGING THAT LANGUAGE CURRENTLY. BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A TIME FRAME, AGAIN BACK TO THE TIME FRAME ISSUE OF RECOGNIZING THE 90 DAY CONVERSATION IS THAT WE HAVE UNTIL OCTOBER 5TH, THE FIRST MEETING OF OCTOBER TO EITHER PROVIDE A LETTER TO THE CLERK IN THE CONTRACT THAT IT WILL NOT BE RENEWED OR APPROVE IT, DO NOTHING AT ALL IT APPROVES AUTOMATICALLY OR WE CAN SUGGEST THAT THE ATTORNEY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CLERK AND ESTABLISH OR A SET OF NEW CONTRACT LANGUAGE, TO GO FORWARD. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE HAD, THE CITY HAS HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE THROUGH THE ATTORNEYS OFFICE I'M GOING TO SAY BEFORE I GOT HERE MAYBE 7, 8? I DON'T KNOW. IT GOES BACK TO A PREVIOUS ATTORNEY IN 2023 WHEN THAT CONTRACT WAS WRITTEN WHEN THAT LANGUAGE WAS PUT IN WE ALL GOT THOSE DOCUMENTS FROM THE LECLERC LAST WEEK TALKING ABOUT THE HOW THE CONTRACT AND CHARTER OFFICERS WERE REVIEWED EARLIER ON, SO THAT'S WHERE I GOT THIS INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS NOT IN THE CHARTER, AND THE LANGUAGE THAT IS IN THE CONTRACT. AND THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE. BUT AGAIN, I'M ONE VOICE. MY POSITION IS TO TRY TO GET THIS CITY BACK ON TRACK WITH THE BASICS OF RUNNING THE CITY, USING THE CHARTER AS OUR GUIDING DOCUMENT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> SO, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, COMMISSIONER. MADAM MAYOR, SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE CHARTER ALSO PROBABLY HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED IN -- >> SIX YEARS. >> 6-7 YEARS AND A LOT HAS HAPPENED AND CHANGED AND PROBABLY SECTIONS OF THAT ARE OUTDATED, 25 YEARS JUST HOW THINGS HAVE PROGRESSED AND MOVED IN OUR SOCIETY. SO, TO ME MAYBE I'M INTERPRETING THIS WRONG, IT WOULD SEEM TO BE REGRESSIVE TO ME TO TRY TO MOVE A CONTRACT TO SOMETHING THAT WE HADN'T REALLY LOOKED AT IN SIX YEARS AND WE ARE IN SIX YEARS AND WE ARE IN 2026, IT WILL BE '27, SEEMS LIKES I'M GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION ON THAT THE SO AGAIN IN LIGHT OF MADAM MAYOR I RESPECT THE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT SHE DOES WRITING ELECTIONS AND I GET THAT AND MY INTERPRETATION THAT SHE IS THE OFFICIAL RECORD KEEPER OF THE CITY AND SHE HAS A LOT OF DUTIES TO MAINTAIN THAT BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR OUR CITIZENS ET CETERA, SO I GUESS IT'S THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG HERE. I'M NOT IN LIGHT OF REGRESSING BACK TO A CHARTER THAT QUITE FRANKLY NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED AND BROUGHT UNDER TO DATE AS OPPOSED TO GO AND MOVE HER CONTRACT BACK SO UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC IN THERE THAT I CAN GET A HOLD OF HERE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE HOLDING THIS UP AS FAR AS A YEARLY RENEWAL. I THINK IF WE WANT TO RENEW AND WORK THROUGH IT AND GO WITH THAT I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING AT THAT RISE TOSZ THE LEVEL WHAT IN THIS CONTRACT IS SPECIFICALLY CAUSING [00:45:03] A LOT OF HEARTBURN THAT WE GOT TO HOLD THIS. >> AGAIN IT'S THE AUTONOMY. >> AUTONOMY. >> IT'S THE OPERATING IN SILOS AND I JUST BELIEVE THAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT CONTRACT LANGUAGE PROVIDES POWER BEYOND THE CITY'S CHARTER. >> SO I'M AN HR PERSON AND UNDERSTAND OPERATING THE SILO. HOW DO YOU TEAR DOWN THE SILO? HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT IN THE CONTRACT. >> THE CONTRACT COULD BE WRITTEN IN THE WAY THAT RECOGNIZES THE CITY CHARTER. IT IS OUTSIDE THE LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER. SO AGAIN I DIDN'T JUST BRING THIS FORWARD ON MY OWN. I DID SEEK OUTSIDE ADVICE, FROM MEMBERS MEMBERS OF THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, AND THE BOTTOM LINE, IS PROVIDING ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY THROUGH A CONTRACT IS NOT IN LINE WITH THE CITY CHARTER AND THE LANGUAGE THEREIN. BUT I'M ONLY ONE OF FIVE. SO, I'M TRYING MADAM MAYOR. >> WHAT ADDITIONAL POWERS DOES SHE HAVE? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS WE NEED TO LOOK HAT DHARTER. I'M PUTTING ON RECORD WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CHARTER. A LOT FLD THINGS HAVE HAPPENED SINCE 2019 OR 2020 A LOT OF THINGS IN OUR CITY HAS HAPPENED SO I'M GOING TO PUT THAT TO THE SIDE BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUTSIDE POWERS OR DUTIES DOES SHE HAVE THAT I'M MISSING BECAUSE SHE REPORTS TO US, MR. CHANCE REPORTS TO US, MADAM MAYOR REPORTS TO US, THEY EACH HANDLE WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HANDLE IN THEIR AREA, AND WHAT I HEARD THE LAST TWO THREE WEEKS WAS CONFLICTS AND INTERMINGLING AND ALL THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T WANT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GETS US IN TROUBLE. I'M GOING TO GO WITH WHAT MADAM MAYOR SAID. CAN YOU IMAGINE SOMEBODY RUNNING A LECTURE, BEING TOLD WHAT SHE CAN'T DO OR HE CAN'T DO FROM ANOTHER OFFICE HOW THAT WOULD DO? NOT SAYING YOU WOULD DO THAT MR. CHASE. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PART OF HER DUTIES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW. I THINK THAT'S WHAT HR NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT MADAM MAYOR NEEDS TO KNOW AND IF WE HOLD UP THIS CONTRACT AND SOME TIME NEXT YEAR WE SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, WE BITE THE BULLET IT'S TIME FOR A CHARTER REVIEW, THEN IT'S TIME FOR CHARTER REVIEW THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE BACK AT SQUARE ONE BECAUSE WHATEVER WE CHANGE WE HAVE TO GO BACK AT LOOK AT THESE CONTRACTS AND WE MIGHT BE OUT OF ALLIANCE WITH THE CHARTER SO IF WE ARE GOING TO DO ANYTHING. LET'S JUST STOP THE NONSENSE AND SAY OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER CHARTER REVIEW AND PUT EVERYTHING WHERE WE WANT IT, HAVE THE PUBLIC COME AGAIN, PUT EVERYTHING WHERE THEY WANT IT AND WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. SO BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW. I HEAR YOU. I LISTEN TO EVERYTHING. I WAS QUIET. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS OUTSIDE OF HER DUETS ILLS, I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHE'S DOING BUT THAT YOU HAVE A CONCERN OVER AND I HEAR YOU BECAUSE YOU SAID IT'S NOT IN LINE WITH THE CHARTER BUT AUTONOMOUS I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THAT I NEED THE THREE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE THE CITY BETTER. LIKE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID IF I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY I WOULD GO KNOCK ON HER DOOR OR PUSH THAT BUTTON LET ME IN, IF I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CITY CLERK I PUSH THAT BUTTON LET ME IN AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MR. CHASE AND HE DOESN'T LET NEED IN I CALL HIM AND SAY LET ME IN THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. I CAN'T GOAD TO YOUR OFFICE TO DO THAT I CAN'T GO TO MADAM MAYOR'S OFFICE OR COMMISSIONER BROAD RICK'S OFFICE TO DO IT. SOMETIMES I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE A SUNSHINE LAW VIOLATION AND SO WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION AND [INDISTINCT] SO I STILL I'M LOST. YOU'RE ON THE ROAD. YOU GOT IT ON THE RECORD, BUT I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP A CONTRACT. I'D RATHER IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, LET'S FIX THE CHARTER AND WE HAD [00:50:02] CAN ADDRESS HAVING IN THE CONTRACT. WE CAN PUT IN THE NEW CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PUT IN A NEW CONTRACT, ANYBODY'S CONTRACT, EVEN THE NEW CITY ATTORNEY CONTRACT PUT HIM OR HER IN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMENT SO THERE COULD BE SOME CHANGES IN THIS CONTRACT. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. SO COMMISSIONER. >> MAY I RESPOND? >> YES. >> SIMPLY, THE DEPARTMENTS OPERATE UNDER THEIR OWN GUIDANCE. THE CITY MANAGER CANNOT TAKE THE CITY CLERK AND MAYBE ANY KIND OF DEMANDS ON THE CLERK AT ANY TIME. ESPECIALLY DURING AN ELECTION OR IN THE ACT OF THAT JOB. SO THE CHARTER DOESN'T DESCRIBE THE THREE OFFICERS AS CO-EQUAL. THAT LANGUAGE TO ME PROVIDES ADDITIONAL. IT CALL THEM TLOOM AUTONOMOUS DECHTS AND GOVERNED ANTIINSTEAD OF HAVING THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WE ARE A SILO AND SAYING WELL YOU CAN'T TALK TO ME, YOU CAN'T DO THIS, MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID EARLIER AND WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS FOR EVERYBODY TO WORK TOGETHER TO WORK FOR IN CHIGS, MOST IMPORTANTLY WORK FOR THE TAXPAYERS AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN IN CONVERSATION OR REVIEW. Y'ALL HAVE BEEN HERE A LOT LONGER THAN ME. I'M A FRESH SET OF EYES. I'M LOOKING AT THIS DIFFERENTLY AND MAYBE I'M SEEING THINGS DIFFERENT THAN YOU. MAYBE YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH AND ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SEEING. I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THINGS. I'M SERIE A THAT I'M SORRY THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WHERE YOU ARE BUT WE ONLY NEED TO LOOK AT HOW THINGS ARE GOING FOR THE CITY. WE'RE SEEING FROM IT THE OUTSIDE. WHEN I IT WAS AT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES TRAINING, SEVERAL OF THE OTHER CITIES AND THAT MEETING WERE CONCERNED AS TO WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. AND WE HAVE CONCERNS. SO, MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS IF WAY GET BACK TO THE FOUNDATION OF WHAT THE CITY IS SUPPOSED TO BE THAT FOLLOWING THE CHARTER YOU ALL DON'T AGREE WITNESS THAT'S OKAY. I'M ONE PERSON. THAT'S ALL. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND LANGUAGE THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE OUR CHARTER OFFICERS WORKING TOGETHER AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING UP A SILO AND SAYING YOU CAN'T CROSS THIS LINE. THAT'S ALL. AND IF Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO DO THAT Y'ALL CAN MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD. >> MR. BROAD RICK? >> FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT COMMISSIONER GAINES HAS BEEN BRINGING UP THE CHARTER REVIEWED AND I'VE AGREED WE HAD DO NEAT CHARTER REVIEW. THAT'S UP TO THIS COMMISSION TO GET THAT DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I CONTINUE SEE THE CONFLICT THAT COMMISSIONER'S DZADOVSKY IS WORKING TO. I FIND INDEPENDENCE OF CRIMINAL IMPORTANCE TO THE OPERATION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. IN MY MIND I'M NOT GOING TO AGREE TO HAVE A CHARTER OFFICER SUBSERVIENT TO ANOTHER CHARTER OFFICER. THAT'S NOT A SOLUTION TO ANYTHING. THE CHARTER IS THE ISSUE HERE NOT THE CONTRACT ITSELF SO IN THAT VEIN MADAM MAYOR I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE LINDA COX CONTRACT. >> APPROVAL. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> NIP COMMENTS. >> FOR THE PUBLIC WHOEVER IS LISTENING PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY FROM THIS MEETING THAT OUR CITY MANAGER OUR CITY CLERK AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY DON'T MEET AND WORK TOGETHER ON ISSUES. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY COME HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME AND WE PUT THEM ON THE AGENDA AND THEY TELL US. >> NOT LIKE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM IN TWO WEEKS. >> THEY WORK TOGETHER ON EVERY ISSUE. THEY HAVE MEET LITTLE AND WORK TOGETHER. THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD THAT THEY WORK TOGETHER SO JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE. >> NOW MADAM MAYOR I'M GOING TO OAK THAT, MY WEEKLY STAFF MEETINGS ARE STILT SITTING IN MY STHAF MEETING AND WE ARE GOING OVER THE AGENDA AND ADDRESSING ANY CONCERNS I MAY HAVE FROM THE CITY AND THAT CAN BE ANYTHING I GET FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS, IT COULD BE THINGS HAPPENING IN THE STREET LITERALLY THAT NEED TO GET DONE, POT POLLS FIXED WHATEVER OR IT COULD BE LEGAL ISSUES SO I'VE GOT ALL THREE CHARTER OFFICERS IN MY OFFICE IN MY MEETING WEDNESDAY AND WE HAVE THAT AND THEY WORK TOGETHER. WE ADDRESS THESE ISSUES N. LOT OF CASES THEY SUPPORT AND A LOT OF CASES I'M DIRECT PGD THEM TO GET TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD SERVE US, SO WITH THAT, I CALL THE ORDER [00:55:02] ON THIS MOTION. >> ALL RIGHTY. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. [14. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.] COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY. NO NO. >> NEXT ITEM COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. >> HOCK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY OPPORTUNITY TO DRESS THE COMMISSION. YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES AND MS. RAUL WILL GIVE YOU A 10 SECOND WARNING AND I SEE MR. DUNN COMING DOWN HERE. >> HOWARD DUNN, JR. [INDISTINCT] MARKET AVENUE. THE ONLY REASON I'M HERE TONIGHT IS DURING THE LAST WEEK'S PUBLIC COMMENT, I NOT ONLY PUT ONE OF MY SIZE 12 I PUT BOTH MY SIZE 12 IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'M HERE TO RETRACT IT AND APOLOGIZE TO KINGS LAYMAN. I CALLED THEM OUT FROM UNDER THE BUS BECAUSE A BUNCH OF US COP FUSED WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY IN THERE. WE THOUGHT THEY WERE PARTNERS. DURING THE LAST MEETING I GET EDUCATED BUT HERE I AM APOLOGIZING TO KINGS LANDING FOR CALLING THEM OUT. BUT NOW AUDUBON WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAD WERE THREE YEARS BEHIND SINCE PARTICULARLY SINCE THE CITY DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY ANY LONGER KWEERKS POSSIBLY LOSE THAT PROPERTY AND THERE'S NOTHING ON THE DEED THAT SAYS OH, BY THE TIME 30 DAYS PAID WORK AND 180S DAYS AUDUBON WILL BE BACK IN THREE YEARS AGAIN AND NOTHING WOULD BE NOTIFIED THE CITY FIX ON FORECLOSING THIS PROPERTY SO HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT, BECAUSE THROUGH ALL THESE YEARS WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT PROPERTY AND LIKE I SAID YOU KNOW I DON'T LIE. THAT'S WHY I HAD TO COME BACK AND CORRECT MY STORY AND ANYBODY KNOWS ME, I STAND UP FOR WHAT I BELIEVE IN PEACEFULLY RESPECTFULLY AND NICELY AND WE ARE ALL HUMAN. AND I USUALLY DOUBLE CHECK MY INFORMATION BEFORE I POST OR SAY SOMETHING AND GUESS WHAT, I DIDN'T DO THAT, SO AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE. LET'S WATCH OUT TO BE ON RECORD, I DO SUPPORT THAT PROJECT SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BECAUSE I KNOW WE NEED THE TAXES WE NEED THE VISITORS, WE NEED THE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN SO I THINK I'LL HUSH UP NOW. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> I WON'T BE BACK. >> WE ARE ALWAYS HAPPY TO SEE YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO GO ADDRESS [15. COMMENTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER] THE ECONOMICS COMFORT. NO MOVEMENT MOVEMENT BACK TO OR JAEDEN. >> COMMENTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER. >> MR. CHESS. WE HAVE EXTENSION SYSTEM THAT IS ACTIVE AND IT WAS GRANTED AND ALLOWS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO AUTOMATICALLY CHANGE TRAFFIC LIGHTS TO GREEN TO INCREASE RESPONSE TIMES ALONG OUR NAME OR CORRIDORS AND THERE ARE 46 TRACK SIGNALS THAT ARE IMPACTED. I WANTED TO SHARE THAT OUR CITY ENGINEER WAS IN LINE WITH THIS PROJECT. IT WAS BEYOND FUNDED. >> IT'S GONE LIVE. OH WONDERFUL. >> YES. >> SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE. YES. SAFETY FOR ALL. THANK YOU. >> NEXT, MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS RAUL. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE? [16. COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION] >> NO, MA'AM. >> MS. WALACH. >> NO, MA'AM. >> I THINK TO THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE BOTH YOU MADAM MAYOR WERE PART OF THE FIRE BOARD AND COMMISSIONER DZADOVSKY WERE PART, IT ALLOWS FOR US AND THE FIRETRUCKS TO SEND THEIR SIGNAL AHEAD TO MOVE CARS OUT OF THE PATHWAY BY CONVERTING THOSE LIGHTS TO GREEN OR RED OR WHATEVER SO THEY CAN GET THROUGH THOSE INTERSECTIONS SO IT'S GREAT PALOOSE HAS A LOT OF CITY IS GROWING SO DURING THE SEASON WE HAVE A LOT MORE CARS ON THE HIGHWAY SO IT'S GREAT THAT WE HAVE THAT UP AND RUNNING NOW AND THAT'S FANTASTIC AND THAT JUST ALLOWS FOR RESCUE TO GET TO YOU TO PUBLIC SOONER THAN LATER WHICH SECONDS DO MATTER WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. WHAT I WANT TO SAY IN MY PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT I WANT TO THANK [01:00:02] THOSE THAT CAME TONIGHT IN RECOGNITION FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY THE PARTNERSHIPS, IS THE NEEDS THAT YOU ARE ADDRESSING DON'T GO UNRECOGNIZED AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREATLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR FROM YOU AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING. BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONTINUE TO PARTNER AS WE GO FORWARD. AMENDMENT 3 IS UPON US AND IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE HOW WE MOVE AS A CITY SO I GOT NOTICES OF POISHL DATES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE EDUCATION AND LEARNING AND CONVERSATION, SO THAT WE CAN BREAK THIS THING DOWN TO VERY UNDERSTANDABLE TERMS SO THAT OUR PARTNERS THIS THE COMMUNITY WHO PARTNER WITH US BEFORE AND WE SUPPORT IT THROUGH EFFORTS THAT'S GOING TO BECOME VERY CHALLENGING. LET ME PUT IT LIKE THIS. IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY IN SOME ASPECTS. IT'S GOING TO BE STOPPED BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO YOU KNOW NOT TO SAY THAT WE COULDN'T PARTNER, BUT AS FAR AS CITY OF FORT PIERCE SHOWING UP WITH THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND FUNDS WILL BE VERY LIMITED, BUT THERE'S SOMETIME OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE, BUT IT WILL BE A LONGER WAY TO GO TO TRY TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THOSE GOALS SO I THINK THAT CONVERSATION STARTS NOW. I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING THEM STOVES IN LINE ALL THEIR RECORDS AS 501 C-3, C-7 AND AS YOU APPROVE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AS FAR AS THE CITY TRANSFERRING FUNDS AND SUPPORTING EVENTS IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT DAY WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN TRADITIONALLY ABLE TO DO ARE GOING TO COME UNDER GREAT GREAT GREAT CONSERVATOR NATION AND GREAT PAIN IN HAVING TO WALK AWAY FROM SOME OF THOSE THINGS BUT I KNOW AS RESILIENT AS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS WE HAVE A LOT OF GENEROUS PEOPLE HERE, GENERAL BUSINESSES I'M SURE THEY'LL TRY TO FILL THOSE GAPS BUT THIS GAP THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT FROM CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS MORE THAN A GAP. IT'S A WHOLE GRAND CANYON THAT WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET ACROSS. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AND THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY FOR BOARD COMMENTS. >> NEXT. >> COMMENT ON COMMISSIONER CHESS'S. I'M NOT SURE YOU HAD SAW COMMISSIONER JOHNS BUT POLLING SHOWED IT'S NOT GETTING THE 60 PERCENT SUPPORT TO PASS SO I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S COMMENTS ON THIS THAT THE FINANCIAL DIRE STRAITS IT POTENTIALLY COULD PUT THE CITY IS IS VERY SIGNIFICANT AND IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH SO I'M ADVOCATING WITH YOU COMMISSIONER JOHNSON TO VOTE NO ON THIS AMENDMENT, WE NEED THESE SSZ CITIZENS WANT THEM TO CONTINUE. SO JUST VOTE NOT THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO DO AND THINGS WILL REMAIN PRETTY MUCH CONSISTENT. >> IS THAT IT FOR YOUR COMMENTS? HOCK. COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> MADAM MAYOR THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC THANK YOU FOR COMING AGAIN. AND I SEE A LOT OF YOUTH SITTING OVER HERE TO MY LEFT. YOUR RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO SAY I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU STAND UP, I'M NOT GOING TO CALL YOU OUT BUT IF I HAVE ANY HIGH SCHOOLERS. NOT YOU, YOU'LL BE THERE SOON. LISTEN UP. THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE HAS A YOUTH COUNCIL. AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO COME SIT WITH KIDS YOUR AGE AND DISCUSS THINGS AT A YUMT COUNCIL THAT YOU SEE THAT WE DON'T SEE. AND IT'S A WAY TO BRING ATTENTION TO SOME OF THE AREAS THAT YOU WANT TO US LOOK AT, SO, IF YOU'RE NOT IN HIGH SCHOOL NOW OUR OR YOU'RE ABOUT TO GO TO HIGH SCHOOL OR JUST REBOUND WE HAVE A YOUTH COUNCIL AND TO ALL THE ORGANIZERS DOWN THERE IF YOU HAVE TEENAGERS OR FEMALE TEENAGERS YOU'RE HAPPENING, HAVE THEM COME JOIN OUR YOUTH COUNCIL AND IT WILL HELP THEM AND HELP US GET EVERYTHING WE DON'T SEE BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE EVERYTHING AND LIKE I TELL EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THE CITY YES, I RIDE AND, YES, I WALK A LOT YES I'M EVERYWHERE BUT I CONTINUE SEE NVRG EVERYTHING AND IF YOU SEE SOMETHING AND YOU ADOPT LET ME KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT'S OPPORTUNITY TO GET ON A YOUTH COUNCIL. [01:05:02] I POP UP NOW AND THEN UNTIL SHE KICKS ME OUT BUT IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO TALK ABOUT YOUR CITY. SO BOYS AND GIRLS, I'M GOING TO CALL EVERYBODY OUT. SECOND TO MY BUDDY IN THE BACK, MR. [INDISTINCT] MUCH RESPECT IT'S EASY WRITE A EMAIL. IT'S EASY TO ACCUSE SOMEBODY, IT'S EASY TO, YOU AND ME GO BACK ALL THE TIME BUT WE ARE GOOD TO WRITE A EMAIL, BUT IT'S VERY SELDOM I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN IT BUT TWICE IN FIVE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE THAT SOMEBODY HAS COME TO THE MIC AFTER SAYING SOMETHING AND SAID YOU KNOW, I HAD MY INFORMATION WRONG, I WAS WRONG. SO, I GOT YOU, APPRECIATE THAT. MADAM MAYOR LAST THING I SAY IS IF I'M NOT MISS TAKEN TAKE-BACK EN, I THINK THIS IS HISPANIC AMERICAN MONTH. >> YES. >> SO TO ALL MY HISPANIC AMERICANS THAT ARE NOT IN THE AUDIENCE OR ARE LISTENING TO MY VOICE BECAUSE WE HAVE A POPULATION IN FORT PIERCE AND AS I SAY WE ARE ONE FORT PIERCE I WANT TO SAY HAPPY HISPANIC AMERICAN MONTH. >> I THINK IT'S SEPTEMBER 15 TO OCTOBER 156789 WE HAVE HONORED THEM HERE BEFORE. YES, SIR. >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME AND MY OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND SAY MY FEES PIECE AND WE ARE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO AGREE. THE CITY NEEDS TO HAVE DEBAIT TO BE ABLE TO SOMETIMES CALL THINGS OUT THAT WE MAY NOT AGREE ON, AND THE IDEA OF HAVING FIVE INDIVIDUALS UP HERE AND A STAFF THAT HELPS TO PROVIDE THIS COMMISSION PROVIDE DIRECTION, STAFF CARRIES OUT THE DIRECTIONS AND SOMETIMES, INFORMATION COMES TO ONE OF US WE DON'T ALWAYS GET TO SHARE THAT BALLS WE ARE BOUND BY SUNSHINE AND CANNOT TALK TO ONE ANOTHER IF WE ARE NOT HERE THAT'S THE UNCOMFORTABLE PART OF HAVING THESE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS AND AGAIN I HAVE CONTINUED TO DO MY RESEARCH AND I WAS AT THE ANNUAL FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES AND GAINED SIGNIFICANT INSIGHT INTO THE MANAGEMENT OF CHARTERS AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR CITIES IN WHICH TO OPERATE AND THEN OF COURSE JUST THIS MATS WEEKEND, I SPENT FOUR DAYS AT FLORIDA LEAGUE OF THE CITIES TRAINING SESSION AND CONTINUED TO INVESTIGATE AND THOUGHT PROCESSES, BECAUSE ONE OF MY THOUGHTS IS THAT WE NEED TO FIND WHAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF WHAT WE DO, FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OUR CHARTER OFFICERS AND HOW THIS COMMISSION CAN HELP TO PROVIDE POLICY DIRECTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER, THAT WILL HELP OUR STAFF AND THE DEPARTMENTS, DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THEIR STAFFS TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THEIR DAILY WORK AND MAKE IT. SOMETIMES LESS ONEROUS FROM LANGUAGE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR ORDINANCES THAT IS CONFLICT. WE'VE SEEN AND HEARD IT SEVERAL TIMES THROUGHOUT THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND THAT BEING SAID, I APPRECIATE YOU HIS THING AND ACTIVELY ENGAGING IN DEBATE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO. I'M NOT SAYING I'M ALWAYS RIGHT. YOU MAY HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT I'M SAYING-ALL AIN'T RIGHT ALL THE TIME EITHER, SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT AND SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN LETTING ME GO TO THAT TRAINING BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS INVALUABLE. IT WAS HELPFUL SEE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN CITY AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT FROM A MUNICIPALITY STANDPOINT MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE CHARTER AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> YEAH. >> 30 SECOND. MADAM MAYOR CAN WE JUST I'M TIRED OF TALKING ABOUT THIS CHARTER. CAN WE JUST PUT IT ON THE JAEDEN MR. CHESS HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT I WASN'T HERE AND I DON'T NODE THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES WE HAVE TO GO ABOUT THE WHOLE CHARTER REVIEW AND ALL THAT BUT KIT BE PUT ON THE JAEDEN TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ONE OF THESE UP COMING MEETINGS VLD A DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT. LET'S JUST PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND ADVERTISE IT AND SEE IF WE REALLY WANT TO GO THERE AND GO THERE. >> I HAD THINK MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN OUR INDIVIDUAL STAFF MEETINGS WITH OUR ZACH AND THEN TALK ABOUT A WAY TO GO ABOUT IT, BECAUSE IT'S A BIG DEAL, BECAUSE ORIGINAL CHARTER WAS VOTED BY THE VOTERS, RIGHT? SO PUTTING SOMETHING BACK OUT THERE FOR VOTERS IS A PRETTY [01:10:03] INVOLVED PROCESS, SO WE OUGHT TO START NOW WE JUST NIGHT TO START THINKING ABOUT IT. RIGHT. >> PUT IT ON OUR RADAR. >> YES. SO, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT SHARED I ASKED THAT IT BE SHARED WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS I CAN'T SHARE BECAUSE OF SUNSHINE THE FLORIDA TAX WATCH HAS SAID, AND THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT LOOKS OUT FOR THE TAXPAYER. RIGHT? LOOKS OUT FOR THE TAXPAYER. VERY, VERY STRONG, USUALLY STRONGLY CRITICAL OF GOVERNMENT IN A WAY THEY SPEND THE TAXES AND THEY HAVE COME HOW THE AS AGAINST AMENDMENT 3 AND THAT IS A BIG SIGNAL THAT THEY SEE THE PROBLEM WITH WHAT AMENDMENT 3 BECAUSE WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO IS SHIFT THE BURDEN OF TAXES TO PEOPLE WHO CAN LEAST AFFORD IT. AND ALSO, SHIFT THE BURDEN TO BUSINESSES IF YOU HAVE A BUSINESS, THAT TAX BURDEN WILL GO TO YOU. IF YOU'RE A RENTER, THE TAX BURDEN WILL GO TO YOU. SO IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT SIGNAL FOR NOT ONLY THE FLORIDA TAX WATCH, BUT THE FLORIDA SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION. AND FLAB ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES, FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES AND OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE THERE'S NO CARVE OUT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. THERE'S NO CARVE OUT. THERE'S NO REPLACEMENT FUNDS FOR THEM SO IF OUR FUNDS GET REDUCED EVERY DEPARTMENT WILL BE AFFECTED AND THE ONE WE WANT LEAST AFFECTED IS OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO, WITH THAT, COMMISSIONERS, IF WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE I'M GOING TO SAY LET'S ADJOURN AND * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.