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[a. Sunrise Theatre and Sunrise Theatre Advisory Board Updates ]

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>>> MR. MIMS. WE HAVE OUR DIRECTOR SHARON INGLE WHO IS GOING TO LEAD US IN THIS DISCUSSION ALONG WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE SUNRISE THEATER ADVISORY BOARD.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY. IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU ALL. SO LAST TIME WE WERE HERE I WAS -- WE -- MYSELF AND LOU WHO IS ON HER STRATEGIC PLANNING COMMITTEE WITH THE SUNRISE ADVISORY BOARD, WE SPOKE AND KIND OF GAVE AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE WERE OPERATIONALLY. THAT WAS IN NOVEMBER. AND WE ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD I'M HAPPY TO SAY. WE'VE MADE GREAT STRIDES AND PROGRAMMING BEING ONE OF THEM. WE CONTINUE TO ADD SHOWS DAILY. I JUST ADDED FOR MORE AND THEY CROSS THE -- ALL GENRES -- FROM LATIN TO SOLD TO COUNTRY TO THE MORE CLASSIC -- CLASSICAL TYPE OF PERFORMANCES, WHICH ARE KIND OF SOMETIMES -- WE ARE GOING TO ADD THOSE BACK IN BECAUSE BACK MANY YEARS AGO, WE WERE DOING OPERA AND BALLET AND SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA'S AND THEY REALLY WEREN'T SELLING. SO WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO EASE THEM BACK IN AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE HAVE TWO PERFORMANCES COMING UP WHERE WE ARE INVOLVING TWO SCHOOL CHOIRS. HAVE A MANIA WILL HAVE THE CAST, THE CREATIVE ARTS ACADEMY. CHOIR WILL BE JOINING THEM AND SINGING WITH THEM AS PART OF THE PERFORMANCE. AND WILL HAVE LINKIN PARK ACADEMY CHOIR JOINING US. SO WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO PUT OUR ARMS AROUND THE COMMUNITY AND EMBRACE WHAT WE HAVE LOCALLY AND INCORPORATE THEM INTO THE THEATER. WE ALSO HAVE STARTED AN INITIATIVE ON MONDAY EVENINGS IN OUR BLACK BOX WITH THE SOUTHERN SOUL SOCIETY. THEY HAVE A SOUTHERN SOUL JIM ON MONDAY EVENINGS WHICH IS LIKE AN OPEN MIC, SIMILAR TO THE JAZZ BANDS ON TUESDAY NIGHT. BUT WE ARE GOING INTO OUR SECOND MONTH ON THAT. AND WE JUST CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT WE, UNFORTUNATELY, HAVE HAD NEGLECTED IN THE PAST YEARS. WE ARE TRYING TO CATCH UP ON THE BUILDING, THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING, THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING AESTHETICALLY FROM THE OUTSIDE AND JUST MAINTENANCE WISE FROM THE INSIDE. AND THAT IS WHERE WE ARE. MY STAFF AND I WORK TIRELESSLY AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO BRINGING THE COMMUNITY OF FORT PIERCE A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER THAT IS BOTH ENCOMPASSING OF OUR COMMUNITY AND INVITING TO THE SURROUNDING

COMMUNITIES AS WELL. >> I'M GONNA LET MR. CROGHAN TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING COMMITTEE MOVING FORWARD. IT HAS TO DO WITH TICKET SALES HOW WE INCREASE REVENUES AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT MOVING FORWARD. LOOKING HISTORICALLY CURRENTLY AND FOR THE FUTURE. WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. AS SHARON MENTIONED, THE STRATEGIC PLANNING COMMITTEE HAS BEEN FOCUSED OVER THE LAST YEAR AND AND A HALF TWO YEARS ON GETTING -- WRITING THE SHIP IF YOU WILL

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AS FAR AS DRIVING THE THINGS THAT REALLY MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF THE REVENUE FOR THE SUNRISE THEATER. THE TICKET SALES FOR THE PROGRAMMING OUR CURRENT BUDGET MAKE UP 51 PERCENT OF OUR TOTAL REVENUE. IT'S BEEN IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON THAT OVER THE LAST YEAR AND AND A HALF TWO YEARS TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT NUMBER RIGHT. IF WERE NOT GETTING CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER THE REST OF WHAT WE DO ISN'T GONNA MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, RIGHT. SO THIS YEAR WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE DIRECTION OF THE TICKET SALES, THE PROGRAMMING THAT SHARON HAS ADDED SEEMS TO HAVE -- STRIKES A CHORD WITH THE PUBLIC. THE TICKET SALES HAVE BEEN ROBUST. AND SO FROM A STRATEGIC PLANNING PERSPECTIVE WERE GOING TO TAKE OUR FOCUS OFF THE EVENTS OF THE PLANNING PORTION OF -- OF THE REVENUES AND FOCUS ON SOME OF THE OTHER REVENUES THAT MAKE UP THE BUDGET. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED LAST TIME WE WERE HERE WAS KIND OF A FOCUS ON WHAT WE DOING ABOUT CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS AND THAT TYPE OF THING TO DRIVE ADDITIONAL REVENUES. SO THE CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS IN TODAY'S BUDGET REPRESENTS LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF THE TOTAL REVENUE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GROW AND TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURES OFF OF THE EVENT PERFORMANCE TICKET SALES. ANOTHER AREA THAT WE CAN FOCUS ON IS IN THE RENTALS.

CURRENTLY THE RENTALS MAKE UP ABOUT 15 PERCENT OF THE REVENUES FOR THE BUDGET. AND I THINK SHARON HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN BEING AN EARLY ADOPTER OF GROWING THAT REVENUE STREAM.

AND WE CONTINUE TO WANT TO KIND OF SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IN THAT REGARD. THE OTHER AREA IS MEMBERSHIP THAT CURRENTLY MAKES UP ABOUT FOUR PERCENT OF THE BUDGET. IT'S NOT A HUGE BUDGET BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERY PIECE THAT WE HAD INCREMENTALLY WILL HELP US TAKE THE PRESSURES OFF OF SOME OF THE OTHER REVENUE AND EXPENSE ITEMS WILL WE TALK ABOUT GETTING TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT'S OUR MAIN FOCUS.

>> I DO WANT TO SAY THAT LUKE MENTIONED OUR RENTAL SITUATION. THIS YEAR WE HAVE INCREASED OUR RENTAL OPPORTUNITIES BY 50 PERCENT. SO WE HAVE 50 PERCENT MORE RENTALS CURRENTLY THAN WE DID LAST YEAR. THAT IS ONE AREA THAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON. AND THOE ARE JUST PERFORMANCE RENTALS. WE ALSO HAVE RENTALS THAT INCREASE WITH RECEPTIONS AND BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND THESE ARE -- THOSE ARE -- THE RENTALS I'M MENTIONING ARE FOUR PERFORMANCES ON THE MAIN STAGE IN THE SUNRISE THEATER. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE BLACKBOX OR ANY OTHER ANCILLARY RENTALS.

SO, WE ARE VERY FOCUSED ON THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO MARKET OUT TO -- FOR WEDDINGS AND RECEPTIONS, DINNERS, CONFERENCES, JUST DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO GET US CLOSER TO WHERE WE NEED AND WANT TO BE. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE ALSO FORMED PARTNERSHIP WITH SEMINOLE BRIGHTON CAN SEE NO. WE ARE HAVING TALKS WITH THEM ABOUT SEVERAL DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT THEY CAN SPONSOR WITH US. THEY ARE BRINGING SOME OF THEIR CLIENTS OVER AND BRINGING THEM TO SHOWS, HOSTING RECEPTIONS FOR THEM IN DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE, GIVE US THAT EXPOSURE FOR OTHER BUSINESSES AND CORPORATIONS TO BRING THOSE TYPE OF EVENTS TO THE SUNRISE AND CREATE MORE OF A REVENUE STREAM BY DOING THAT.

>> WHAT WAS THE PERCENT REVENUE FROM RENTALS?

>> FROM RENTALS, THE BUDGETED NUMBER IS 15.4 PERCENT.

>> I MISSED IT WHEN YOU SAID IT. THANK YOU.

>> GO AHEAD. >> IN STRATEGIC PLANNING THIS YEAR, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, WE SET AS A COMMISSION WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DOWNTOWN, IT CHANGES.

IT CHANGES WITH MARKET CONDITIONS. IT CHANGES WITH IDEAS, IT CHANGES WITH THE

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ECONOMY AND WHAT'S DRIVING FOLKS DOWNTOWN. BECAUSE THE SUNRISE THEATER IS HERE, WE ARE SEEING A SHIFT AND NOT JUST RETAIL ANYMORE. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THE STAFF LEVEL OR NOT BUT WHEN WE MET AS A COMMISSION WE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT'S CHANGING FROM ENTERTAINMENT FROM RETAIL TO ENTERTAINMENT-BASED. AND SO SOME OF THE DRIVERS -- AND JUST ME BEING A GUY WITH A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER FAMILY, WITH CHILDREN THAT GET INTO THINGS LIKE DANCE COMPETITIONS AND BALLET -- YOU MENTIONED THAT.

THERE'S A BIG PUSH, A BIG NEED FOR SPACES LIKE THE SUNRISE THEATER TO HAVE A DANCE AND CHEER COMPETITION, FOR INSTANCE. AND TO ME THAT'S MORE ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT AND RETAIL OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE YOU ARE BRINGING FOLKS HERE FROM ANOTHER REGION WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO HAVE A PETITION ON THE TREASURE COAST. AND ARE YOU PURSUING ANY OF THOSE IDEAS? ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT TALKING TO THE SPORTS COMMISSION IN MARKETING AND TOURISM? I WAS LOOKING INTO THAT?

>> WE ARE. JUNE IS OUR RECITAL MONTH FOR ALL OF THE DANCE SCHOOLS. WE ARE FULL WITH THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS. ROSCOE -- WE ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT GOING INTO THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND LOOKING OUT COMPETITIONS, DRAMA COMPETITIONS THOSE TYPES OF THINGS BEFORE THEY GET TO THE HIGHER LEVELS. BECAUSE ALL THE SCHOOLS, THERE TO HAVE THOSE COMPETITIONS IN PLACE. BUT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IS BECOME THE PRECURSOR TO ALL OF THAT. SO THEY WOULD BE LIKE A REHEARSAL TYPE OF SITUATION. BUT ALSO HAVE A BE A COMPETITION WHERE SOMEBODY IS ULTIMATELY EITHER A WINNER OR RECEIVES A SUPERIOR RATING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE FOCUSING ON.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I DON'T HAVE A DAUGHTER IN THE CHEERING DANCE BUT IT'S A BIG MARKET. IT'S HUGE. AND THEY TRAVEL EVERYWHERE. ESPECIALLY TO THE WEST COAST. THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT LEAVE THE EAST COAST GO TO TAMPA AND ORLANDO BECAUSE THE NUMBERS I WROTE DOWN HERE, YOUR CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP IS LESS THAN ONE PERCENT REVENUE, AS A BIG TICKET ITEM. THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE THAT REVERSED IS NOT THE CORPORATIONS ARE GOING TO COMMENT THE PEOPLE COMMETS THE PEOPLE COME SO THE CORPORATIONS WANT TO ADVERTISE, RIGHT? SO, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS -- YOU TALKED ABOUT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. WHAT IS OUR PLAN THERE? SO WHEN WE RENOVATED THE SUNRISE THEATER, YEARS AGO, WE HAD A COMMUNITYWIDE PROMOTION CAMPAIGN. WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE IN THAT

ASPECT? >> WELL RIGHT NOW THE WAY WE ARE HANDLING IT IS WE DO ATTACH A PORTION OF THE TICKET AND HE GOES INTO A RESTRICTED ACCOUNT.

THAT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR CAPITAL ITEMS AND THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT -- WITH THE FOUNDATION GOING INTO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE -- IN THE PAST, YOU WILL SEE NAME PLATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THE SEATS THEMSELVES. WERE TALKING ABOUT RENEWING THOSE TYPES OF INITIATIVES AND THERE'S ALWAYS NAMING OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE. WE ARE WORKING TO GET THAT TYPE OF CAMPAIGN TOGETHER.

BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU DO OVERNIGHT. AND IT TAKES PLANNING AND IT TAKES PEOPLE TO DO IT. SO LONG WITH THE FOUNDATION, WHO WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO GET A STRONGER AND MORE ROBUST FOUNDATION MEMBERSHIP, SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT ALONG WITH COMMITTEES. SO THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO JOIN THE FOUNDATION BOARD, BUT THEY WILL BE A COMMITTEE OF THE FOUNDATION BOARD AND DO DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUNDRAISERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CURRENTLY, WE ARE PLANNING DIFFERENT FUNDRAISERS AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT COMES THE NAMING OPPORTUNITIES, WHICH THERE ARE MANY THAT WE CAN CAPITALIZE ON WITHIN THE THEATER.

>> I WANT TO GET LOST BECAUSE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE COMES UP ON YOU QUICK.

>> YES. >> ALL OF A SUDDEN IS

EXPONENTIALLY MORE COSTLY. >> RIGHT. AND WE HAVE ASSESSED THE BUILDING. WE KNOW WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE. AND WE ARE PRIORITIZING THEM AND WORKING

ON THEM IN THAT ORDER. >> SO ONE OF THE THINGS THE COMMISSION LOOKS AT EVERY YEAR IN THE BUDGET IS WHAT IS THE THEATER BEING SUBSIDIZED --

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WERE SUPPORTED BY? AND I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TELL YOU IS WE WANT YOU TO DO A GREAT JOB ON ALL THESE WONDERS FULL THINGS. BUT WE WANT YOU TO KEEP IT AT A CERTAIN LEVEL.

AND I'M WONDERING WHAT IS THE MAX WHEN YOU DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY EVENTS. DOES THAT COST MORE DOES IT BRING MORE IN REVENUE?

>> COMMUNITY EVENTS MEAN THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO A SHOW COMING IN YOU

PROVIDE -- >> IT DOESN'T MAKE IT AS MUCH AS A PERFORMANCE DOES, BUT IT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING. ANYTIME WE DO A PARTNERSHIP, WOULD MAKE SURE THAT OUR COSTS ARE COVERED. AND SO, WHETHER WE BREAK EVEN OR PAY FOR OUR EXPENSES FOR THAT EVENING WE MAY HAVE SOME TYPE OF PROFIT ON IT BUT TYPICALLY IF IT'S A TRUE COMMUNITY EVENT WE TRY AND JUST COVER OUR COSTS SO WHAT MY POINT IS, I KNOW IT'S A -- IT'S A BALANCING ACT. EVERY YEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT SHOWS YOU ARE GOING TO BRING AND HOW MUCH REVENUE THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IN AND HOW MUCH COST YOU CAN HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SHOW.

FOR THIS YEAR, HOW DO YOU FEEL YOU ARE DOING FOR THIS YEAR. BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE DO NOT FIND OUT HOW YOU'RE DOING UNTIL THE END OF THE BUDGET YEAR.

>> I UNDERSTAND. AND RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT WE ARE AHEAD OF THE CURVE. I THINK THAT IT LOOKS -- IT APPEARS THAT WE ARE -- WE WILL MAINTAIN MY PLAN FOR THE REST OF THE LIEN MONTHS LIKE LUKE AND I WERE TALKING EARLIER, THERE ARE THOSE LEAN MONTHS. WE PLAN ON DOING EVENTS, OUR OWN EVENTS TO HELP CONTROL THAT. AND TO BRING IN ENOUGH REVENUE. TO JUST KEEP US HOPEFULLY BREAKEVEN. THUS OVERLOOKING TO DO. I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO SAY WE PLAN ON MAKING $200,000. BUT MY GOAL IS TO KEEP US FROM HAVING TO COME AND ASK YOU FOR MONEY.

>> THAT IS MY GOAL, TOO. WERE ON THE SAME PAGE.

>> BY PLANNING EVENTS YEAR-ROUND, WHICH IS WHAT A LOT OF THE VENUES AROUND THE FLORIDA ARE DOING, AND I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WITH PROPER PLANNING, THAT, I THINK, WE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THAT.

>> MY QUESTION WOULD BE ALONG THE LINE THAT DO WE EVER TRY TO HOST OR BE A HOST TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE WITH ORGANIZATIONS, WHEN ARE GOING FOR THE CHEERLEADERS AND THE CHOIR? YOU KNOW, I HEARD YOU SAID YOU HAD TO PARTICULAR CHOIRS OF ALL THE SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTY. MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE LEAN YEARS WHEN YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO CLOSE THE DOORS OR WAIT UNTIL THE SEASON COMES. YOU KNOW THIS ALREADY. FROM THE PAST YEARS.

I HAVEN'T SEEN YET WHERE SUNRISE THEATER DON'T COME BACK TO US AND ASK US FOR MONEY. SO I MORE GIVING THAN SUNRISE IS GIVING.

FOR THE COMMUNITY, THEY DO NOT GEL THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE COMPETITION BETWEEN THE CHOIRS. WE CAN HAVE COMPETITION BETWEEN THE CHURCHES AND THEIR CHOIRS, THINGS LIKE THAT. ALL WE WANT TO DO IS FILL THE SUNRISE THEATER. AND IF YOU FEEL IT,

YOU GOT TO CHARGE DEVELOP. >> WE ARE OPEN TO DOING ALL KINDS OF EVENTS. WE WANT TO WELCOME ANY KIND OF COMPETITION AND HELP MAKE THOSE COMPETITIONS BE SUCCESSFUL AND BE A PARTNER WITH THEM.

>> BUT I WANT YOU TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND I WANT YOU TO REACH OUT TO THESE VENUES, I MEAN TO THESE INDIVIDUALS. YOU KNOW BECAUSE IF YOU'RE WAITING ON THEM, THEY WANT TO COME BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY'RE BE REJECTED. AND THAT'S NOT -- THAT'S NOT ME ASKING YOU,

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THAT'S ME TELL YOU THEY FEEL REJECTED BY COMING TO THE SUNRISE THEATER. THEY WANT TO SPEND LIKE ANYBODY ELSE. I'M TALKING ABOUT ST. LUCIE COUNTY. BRING PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE WEST COAST EAST COAST BUT THAT'S NOT ST. LUCIE COUNTY. AND I THINK WE NEED TO UTILIZE WHAT WE HAVE

AT HOME, AT LEAST TRY IT. >> I AGREE.

>> YOU COMING BACK TO ME ANYWAY THIS COMMISSION AT THE END OF THE YEAR SOME OF THEM.

>> OKAY. >> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU.

I'VE NOTICED A CHANGE IN THE SUNRISE. FEELS LIKE WERE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

I FEEL THAT UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP. YOUR BOARD IS DYNAMIC AND THAT'S GOOD YEAR.

WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AGAIN WE BRUSHED OVER THAT WHOLE THING, BUT I LIKE TO GET A BETTER GRIP ON THAT. YOU KNOW, BUT HEARD THE WORD ROOF MENTIONED IN THE LAST YEAR, SOUND SYSTEM, AIR CONDITIONING, PAIN, THAT EVERYTHING IN TALKING ABOUT THE SUNRISE THEATER BUILDING, NONE OF THAT IS CHEAP. SO YOU HAVE THINGS THAT NEXT TO BE DONE IN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 MONTHS, YOU HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THAT. THIS IS YOUR WISH LIST. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS MONEY.

>> I DO HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT. >> (LAUGHING).

>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO SAY IT WAS ONLY HERE -- I THINK THE FOCUS OF THIS COMMUNITY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION. IF WE SAY DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT. WE'VE ALL HAD TO DEFER MAINTENANCE IN OUR OWN HOMES AND BUSINESSES WE NEED TO START GRABBING ONTO REAL NUMBERS AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

>> COMMISSIONER, THE REAL NUMBER BE ABOVE $1 MILLION.

>> MILLION DOLLARS. OKAY. THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME. I DON'T KNOW IF IT SURPRISES ANYBODY ELSE. IT'S A BIG NUMBER.

>> WE SIT HERE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT YOU KNOW, WITH OBVIOUSLY TICKET SALES IS KNOCKING TO GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED. MY LITTLE DISAPPOINTED -- I'M JUST SAYING IN THE LESS THAN ONE PERCENT FROM DONORS. I BELIEVE THAT AND GRANTS ARE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT . GIVE ONE PERSON DESIGNATED AS A FUNDRAISER CHEERLEADER OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT SPREADS THROUGH YOUR STAFF?

>> SOMETHING THAT SPREADS TO OUR STAFF. WE DON'T HAVE THE ONE PERSON THAT IS DEDICATED FOR -- WHICH WOULD BE A DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR THAT'S DEVELOP -- DEDICATED FOR SPONSORSHIP MEMBERSHIPS. IN THOSE -- AND GRANTS.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST WHAT WOULD YOUR REVIEW. AND I CAN'T SEE THIS GETTING DONE WITHOUT THAT PERSON BEING THERE. IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEONE THAT AGGRAVATES THE WORLD AND YOU GIVE THEM MONEY JUST TO GO AWAY. THAT'S -- I KNOW THOSE PEOPLE BY THE WAY. NOW, HERE'S YOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS. LEAVE ME ALONE. THAT TYPE OF THING. THAT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT WHAT DOES THE SUNRISE THEATER MEAN TO ME? IT'S ABOUT CULTURE.

IT'S ABOUT UNITY OF COMMUNITY. IT'S AN ECONOMIC ENGINE. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE -- IF WE SAID TODAY -- I'M NOT SAYING THIS, BUT IF WE SAID TODAY THAT THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO CONSIDER CLOSING THE SUNRISE THEATER, WE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE LINED OUT THE DOOR BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY THE BUSINESS PEOPLE, BUT EVERYONE THAT HAS A KID IN SCHOOL OR EVERYBODY LIKE ME THAT LOVES TO WATCH THE 60'S ASSEMBLY ROCKERS THAT COME IN HERE, THAT HAVE TO BE WHEELED ON THE STAGE BECAUSE THEY'RE SO OLD. BUT THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. SO WERE NOT SAYING THAT SO WE HAVE TO GET INTO THE STICKS ON HOW TO GET THE SUSTAINABLE AND MOVING FORWARD. SO THAT NUMBER IS IMPORTANT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REAL LIST WITH A PRIORITY ON IT IN OUR DEALINGS WITH OUR FOLKS. WE ARE MEETING NEW BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE COMING TO THE COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME. WE CAN PROBABLY START THE DOOR TO OPEN UP AND I DO THINK WE NEED TO DESIGNATE ONE PERSON THAT AGGRAVATES PEOPLE UNTIL THEY START GIVING YOU MONEY. IF YOU NEED HELP TRYING TO FIND THAT PERSON I HAVE SEVERAL

FRIENDS THAT COME TO MIND. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. YES.

>> EVEN A VOLUNTEER? >> DON'T BOTHER YOU TOO,

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COMMISSIONER. >> ARIANNA VOLUNTEER GREG SO

VOLUNTEER. (LAUGHING). >> I'LL BOTHER YOU TOO.

>> MAYBE WHEN I GET OUT OF MY DAY JOB.

>> YES. >> FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE COMMITTEE, THE ADVISORY BOARD, FOR THEIR HELP. THEY HAVE BEEN A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE TO WORK WITH. AND WHAT IS SO INTERESTING ABOUT THE ADVISORY BOARD IS THAT TO SOME DEGREE A WISH THEY HAD MORE OF AN IMPORTANT ROLE BECAUSE THEY REALLY IDENTIFY THE ISSUES AND THE HAVE A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM TRYING TO MAKE THE PLACE A BETTER PLACE.

BUT JUST TO BRING UP SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT COME UP DURING THE BOARD MEETINGS AS WELL AS ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP DURING OUR WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY HAD, AND MY QUESTION IS, AS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON POINTED OUT EARLIER, DOWNTOWN HAS CHANGED. AND NOBODY IS STEPPING DOWNTOWN TO BUY CLOTHES ANYMORE. THEY ARE NOT STEPPING DOWNTOWN TO BUY MERCHANDISE ANYMORE. AMAZON, AND SO MANY OTHERS, HAVE TAKEN THAT MARKET AND THESE STOCKS ARE GROWING AS WE SIT HERE. SO THAT MEANS THE FUTURE IS GOING TO BE VERY BLEAK. BUT AT ANY RATE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS THE WATERFRONT. IT HAS BEEN A TOURIST ATTRACTION.

AND ALONG WITH THE WATERFRONT, WE HAVE A THEATER. UNLIKE WE'VE DISCUSSED SO MANY TIMES IN THE BOARD MEETINGS, THIS WOULD NEVER BE A MONEYMAKER. AND OF EACH ONE OF US SIT HERE ON THIS BOARD AND THINK IT WILL IT WILL NEVER BE A MONEYMAKER AT THE LEAST, IT MAY BECOME SELF-SUSTAINING, AT LEAST CLOSE TO.

BUT, WHAT I FEEL THE SUNRISE HOLDS AS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON POINTED OUT, IS A TOURIST ATTRACTION. THE KEY IS, GETTING PEOPLE IN THE THEATER. AND ONCE GOING TO GET PEOPLE IN THE THEATER IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE CAMPAIGN TO GO OUT AND TAP THAT UNTAPPED MARKET. WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT. AND BY THAT, I MEAN MORE DIVERSE IN TERMS OF CULTURE. MORE DIVERSE IN TERMS OF ENTERTAINMENT FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.

YOUNG PEOPLE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WILL BUY TICKETS A LOT QUICKER THAN I WILL AT THE $125. WHERE THEY GET THE MONEY, OF COURSE, THE PARENTS. BUT, THE OUTCOME HAS BEEN THAT WHENEVER WE HAVE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE SUNRISE IN THE PAST, IT'S BEEN OVERWHELMING.

OUR HISPANIC GROUP OF PEOPLE, WHEN THEY HAVE HAD THINGS THAT THE SUNRISE, THE RESULTS HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMING. SO, WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF TRYING TO CAMPAIGN THAT UNTAPPED MARKET? BECAUSE THERE IS A NEGATIVE STIGMA. WE TALK ABOUT THIS DURING THE BOARD MEETING ALL THE TIME. THERE'S A NEGATIVE STIGMA IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION AS A RESULT OF THE PAST PRACTICES OF THE THEATER. WE'VE GOT TO GET PEOPLE OVER THE PAST AND INTO THE FUTURE.

AND WE'VE GOT TO STIR THEM UP. AND HOW YOU STIR THEM UP ISSUE MAKE THEM FEEL IMPORTANT. IF WE ARE HAVING A NUMBER OF SHOWS THAT DON'T ATTRACT -- LET'S FACE IT, THE CHURCHES. THERE IS A LARGE MARKET OUT THERE FOR PLAYS, THEATRICALS, LIKE COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER POINTED OUT, MAY BE SOME COMPETITION AMONGST THE CHURCHES. BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET PEOPLE BACK IN THERE. ONCE WE GET THEM IN THERE, I'M SURE SOMEONE LIKE YOU WILL CAPTIVATE THEM AND THEY -- IT WILL START TO BE A ROUTINE THING AND WE WILL START TO MAKE MONEY TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE COSTS. NEVER GONNA BE A MONEYMAKER.

IT'S JUST LIKE THE GOLF COURSE. IT WON'T MAKE MONEY. BUT WHAT IT WILL DO IS THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ARE OUT THERE, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BE MORE PRODUCTIVE BECAUSE PEOPLE -- WE HAVE TRAFFIC. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT, BRINGING TRAFFIC TO THE BEAUTIFUL WATERFRONMONEY OF MAKING ENOUGH WE CAN SEE A PROFIT, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN. BUT A GREATER TOURIST ATTRACTION. BUT WE'VE GOT TO TAP INTO THOSE MARKETS. THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE BEFORE, THAT

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HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN IN THERE AND MAKE MONEY. MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN BY PRIVATE VENDORS.

BUT WE CAN DO IT TOO? SO WHERE ARE WE AT TERMS IN DOING THAT.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE JUST SAID.

WE ARE A TOURIST ATTRACTION. AND WE DO PROVIDE A TOURIST DESTINATION PARTICULARLY JANUARY THROUGH APRIL. AND I DO WANT TO -- I HAVE SPOKEN TO SOME OF OUR HISPANIC MERCHANTS AND I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE DISCUSSING DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENTERTAINMENT WITH THEM.

I ALSO BEEN TALKING TO BUSINESS LEADERS LIKE YOURSELF, WAS A MORE DIVERSE TYPE OF PROGRAMMING. I DID -- ACTUALLY, JUST DID ANNOUNCE THE SHOW THAT I'M VERY PROUD TO BRING IN WHICH IS A SELLING EXPERIENCE WHICH IS WHEN I WENT OUT AND SPOKE WITH THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY, THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF THAT. SO WE ARE TRYING. WE ARE OUT THERE AND TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. I BELIEVE WE HAVE BROUGHT IN A YOUNGER TYPE OF PROGRAMMING THIS YEAR. AND WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF MIXED AND NOT JUST IN TERMS OF DIVERSITY WITH ETHNICITY, BUT ALSO WITH AGE. WE ARE NOW SELLING POPCORN AND SOME OF OUR SHOWS BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE PATRONS. SO -- I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT. I LOVE TO WALK IN AND SMELL THE POPCORN. IT SMELLS REALLY GOOD.

BUT WE ARE BECOMING A MORE WELCOMING VENUE AND PARTICULARLY TO OUR HOME OF

FORT PIERCE. >> AND WERE WORKING HARD TO EMBRACE EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT AND I WISH IT DID.

BUT WE ARE TRYING VERY HARD TO BE ALL-INCLUSIVE.

>> YES, SIR. >> MR. SESSIONS, YOU ARE STILL

ON THE ADVISORY? >> YES.

>> YOU TALK ABOUT GIVING MORE INPUT WHAT CAN THE ADVISORY BOARD DO RIGHT NOW? I DON'T KNOW HOW THE MEETING SKILL. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE STRUCTURED EXACTLY. WHAT CAN THE ADVISORY BOARD DO TO HELP OUT THE SITUATION? ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE HELP WITH I KNOW THAT SHARON IS GOING TO GIVE US A DEFERRED MAINTENANCE LIST. DOES THE COMMITTEE GET TO REVIEW THAT AND TALK ABOUT IT?

>> WELL AS FAR AS THE BUDGET. YES. WE LOOK AT THAT. BUT I THINK THAT FIRST OF ALL, WHEN YOU SEE THE FRUIT OF YOUR LABOR, THESE PEOPLE, THEY COME IN ONCE A MONTH ON AVERAGE AND WE SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR, A LOT OF TIMES TWO HOURS IN THERE BUT EVERYBODY ENJOYS IT. THEY GO OVERBOARD WITH LUNCHEON EVERYBODY HAS A JOB. IT'S A DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT THEY WANT TO SEE THEIR WORK IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY WANT TO SEE THEM COMING TO FRUITION. THEY WANT MORE OF RESPONSIBILITY AND STAFF IN TERMS OF FOLLOWING UP WITH THE WORK THAT THEY PUT INTO IT IS WHAT I BELIEVE. LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I WISH THERE WERE MORE OF A STRONGER BOARD THAN AN ADVISORY BOARD BECAUSE ADVISORY BOARD IS A STEP BELOW WHAT THEY COULD BE IN TERMS OF THE POTENTIAL. WE HAVE PROFESSIONALS ON THERE. WE HAVE DIRECTORS OF THEATERS ON THEIR WE HAVE A SCHOOL BOARD ON THERE. WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS, BUT TO SEE AND TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES, AND NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE RESULTS OF WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, I THINK, IN ESSENCE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY FROM STAFF WITH REGARDS TO WHAT THE RECOMMENDED, I THINK, WOULD BE A GREATER HELP. LET'S BE BLUNT ABOUT IT. IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE A GOOD IDEA, BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING TO SEE THE GOOD IDEA GOING DOWN THE ROAD. SUCCESS OR FAILURE, BUT TO SEE A RESPONSE FROM WHAT THE RECOMMENDING I THINK WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL AT LEAST FROM MY

PERSPECTIVE ANYWAY. >> IN THAT GROUP IS ONE STEP REMOVED FROM THIS COMMISSION. SO YEAH. I'M WITH YOU. I'M NOT SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE THE CONTROL BOARD OF DIRECTORS, BUT IF THERE'S ANY INPUT THAT THE ADVISORY BOARD CAN GIVE TO

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STAFF THAT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE ON MOVING FORWARD OR TAKING THE NEXT STEP, TAKING THE BABY STEP IN THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, EVEN IF IT COMES BACK TO THIS COMMISSION FROM THE BOARD OUR BOARD MEMBERS REPORT JUST GIVE US A QUICK UPDATE THAT SAYS HEY I'M THINKING THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. WE HAD A CONSENSUS ON THE ADVISORY BOARD AND MAYBE IT'S NOT MOVING AS FAST AS WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO HOW I THINK WE COULD TALK WITH NICK AND TALK WITH SHARON AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE CASE.

THE OUTSIDE IS LOOKING AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT LENS AND THEIR PRIORITY LIST IS GOING TO BE SOMETIMES 180 DEGREES OPPOSITE OF YOURS. THAT'S OKAY. YOU ARE TASKED WITH THE JOB AND YOU HAVE A BIGGER PICTURE. SOMETIMES THEY DON'T GET TO SEE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THE STAFF LEVEL. SO -- YES, SIR.

>> MR. MIMS? EXCUSE ME COMMISSIONER SESSIONS.

>> ONE EXAMPLE, WE WILL HAVE A SHOW AND THE TICKET SALES MAY NOT BE AS EFFICIENT AS WE BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE IN TERMS OF RESPONSE, SO THE ADVISORY BOARD, THEY LOOK AT IT AND THEY GIVE -- LET'S FACE IT, SOME CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM A LOT OF TIMES. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN WHEN THIS FAILED TO COME THROUGH OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES AND I'M NOT TRYING TO POINTING THE FINGER AT YOU BUT I WANT TO IMPROVE THINGS AND I KNOW YOU HAVE THE RIGHT ATTITUDE TO DO SO. SO, THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS. BUT YET, THE PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE ASKING THE QUESTIONS, AREN'T GETTING THOSE ISSUES ADDRESSED IN ESSENCE. PERHAPS. SO THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF TICKET SALES BECAUSE THESE GUYS KNOW THE MARKET. THEY LOOK AT THE TICKET SALES. THEY LOOK AT THE TIME OF DAY ONE THAT SHOWS HAPPEN, WHO THE ARTISTS ARE. AND THEY'RE VERY BLUNT. AND IT'S JUST I DON'T FEEL THAT THEIR INPUT IS NOT CONSIDERED ENOUGH.

EVENTUALLY, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE MAKING THE SACRIFICES TO BE IN THERE AN HOUR AND AN HOUR HAVE, THEY DO NOT START TO SEE THE FRUIT OF THEIR LABOR, THEY'RE GOING TO BREAK OFF AND STOP PARTICIPATING. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW THAT WORD, ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD. SHOULD BE LIKE A UTILITIES BOARD (LAUGHING) I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T THINK THEY WANT THAT MUCH CONTROL. BUT AT LEAST BE HEARD AND THEN AFTER THERE BEING

HEARD, FOLLOWED UP ON. >> MR. MIMS?

>> THE SUNRISE THEATER OR JUST LIKE OTHER BOARDING COMMITTEE THAT IS APPOINTED BY YOU REPORTS DIRECTLY TO YOU. IF THAT ADVISORY BOARD HAS RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE REPORTED TO YOU FOR YOUR ACTION AND YOUR DIRECTION. NOW THEY WORK WITH STAFF, BUT ULTIMATELY THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. SO IF THERE IS A FEELING ON THE ADVISORY BOARD THAT THEIR INPUT HAS NOT BEEN HEARD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY SIMPLY REDUCE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO WRITING AND SUBMIT THEM TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

>> GO HAD. >> WELL I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT HAVE ATTENDED ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS AND I SAW THE WAS A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM, A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM AND THE PEOPLE WHO SERVE ON THE ADVISORY BOARD WANT TO PROVIDE GOOD FEEDBACK.

MANY OF THEM ARE IN THE ROOM TODAY SO WOULD YOU MIND STANDING SO WE CAN SEE WHO YOU ARE EVERYONE WHO'S ON THE SUNRISE THEATER ADVISORY BOARD, PLEASE. AND THANK YOU ALL. WE

APPRECIATED (APPLAUSE). >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER?

>> FIRST I WANT TO SAY THAT I SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR, BUT AGAIN, WHAT MR. MIMS SAID, WHEN THE ADVISORY BOARD IS MAKING THESE SUGGESTIONS, AND THERE'S NO RETURN ON THERE, THEY TEND TO HAVE A TENDENCY TO FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO. BUT WE, AS COMMISSIONERS CAN'T FIND ANYTHINGELSE TO DO BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT IT BACKSIDE DO ABOUT THE SUNRISE THEATER. I SUPPORT THE SUNRISE THEATER EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. BUT, THAT DON'T MEAN THAT I LEAN BACK AND SAY WHO BECAUSE WHEN WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS NO THE RUSSIAN -- FRUITION COMES ABOUT THAT'S LIKE TALKING IN THE WINDS, I

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GET RESENTFUL, TOO. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A -- A RESENTFUL THING TOWARDS THE SUNRISE THEATER OR IT'S JUST THAT IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM IT SHOULD INVOLVE THE ENTIRE -- JUST LIKE YOU SAY MAY HAVE A SHOW, THE EVENT IS NOT AS FAR AS REVENUE, LET IT BE THE SAME WITH THE COMMUNITY. AT LEAST LET THE COMMUNITY HAVE ONE SHOW OUT OF THE YEAR. WE COULD FIND A WEEKEND THAT THERE'S NOTHING BIG GOING ON. LET THE COMMUNITY HAVE THAT WEEKEND. BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT IN THE END I MEAN, THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL, YOU KNOW EVERY YEAR WHEN I SEE WHEN I ASK MY FINANCE DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT ELSE WE HAVE TO PAY. AND IT'S A BIG DEAL. TO ME. IT'S A BIG DEAL.

>> WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY CLOSING REMARKS?

>> THANK YOU. AS AN ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS NOW, CERTAINLY, A LOT OF THE DEPICTION THAT MR. SESSIONS HAD ILLUSTRATED FOR US THOSE FEELINGS WERE TRUE WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE BOARD. I FELT LIKE WE HAD A LIMITED ROLE IN WHAT WE COULD ACCOMPLISH AND ADVISE BUT, SINCE SHARON HAS TAKEN OVER RUNNING THE -- BEING DIRECTOR OF THE SUNRISE THEATER, THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT HAS CHANGED THE BOARD IS MUCH MORE ENERGIZED. WE FEEL LIKE WE DO HAVE A VOICE. I MET WITH SHARON EVERY MONTH. THEY LISTEN TO MY RECOMMENDATION SHE ASKED FOR MY INPUT, OUR INPUT. SHE'S VERY INCLUSIVE. AND I THINK THAT HAD THINGS REMAINED THE SAME, I CERTAINLY WOULD'VE LEFT THE BOARD. BUT THEY ARE DIFFERENT. I AS A BOARD MEMBER VERY EXCITED AND I GO OUT OF MY WAY TO DO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT AMOUNTS TO DO BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND I WANT SHARON TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND I WANT THE SUNRISE TO BE

SUCCESSFUL. >> WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THANK YOU VERY MUCH SHARON.

[b. Non-motorized watercraft and bicycle rental discussion]

>> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS NONMOTORIZED WATERCRAFT AND BICYCLE RENTAL DISCUSSION.

>> MR. MIMBS? >> YES, MA'AM. MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION, AS YOU KNOW MANY YEARS AGO, THE PARKS ADVISORY GROUP DID AN RFP AND THAT RFP WAS FOR NON-MOTORIZED WATERCRAFT AND BIKE RENTAL. AND THAT ULTIMATELY CULMINATED IN THE ASSIGNMENT OF THE VENDOR, ONE VENDOR ADD TO PARKS AND THOSE PARKS WERE JC PARK AND SOUTH CAUSE REPORT. NOW, WE HAVE REACHED A PERIOD WHEN IN THE TIMEFRAME OF THAT AGREEMENT HAS EXPIRED. THE LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT CONTINUED THE RELATIONSHIP HAS EXPIRED AND NOW BEFORE US WE HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND A REPRESENTATIVE HERE TO DISCUSS OUR NON- MOTORIZED WATERCRAFT AND BIKE RENTALS.

>> WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING BETTA MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. AS NICK JUST STATED, WE HAVE COME TO THE END OF THE ROAD WITH OUR AGREEMENT FOR MOTORIZED -- NONMOTORIZED WATERCRAFT AND BICYCLE RENTAL AT JC PARK AND CAUSEWAY PARK.

A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE CAME BEFORE YOU AND MADE A PRESENTATION ON VENDING IN THE PARKS. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS SUGGESTED -- IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS AGREEMENT THAT NO FURTHER RFPS BE PUT OUT RATHER VENDORS WHO WISH TO UTILIZE THE PARKS GO THROUGH THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE APPLICATION WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM HERE. THAT'S BEEN SOME TIME AGO THAT WE WERE BEFORE YOU. SO WE WANTED TO COME TODAY AND PUT IT FRESH BEFORE YOU AND SEE WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO GO FROM HERE.

>> ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY EVERY EVENT? I MEAN, EVERY WEEKEND

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THEY MAY WANT TO INSTEAD OF GIVING THEM A WHOLE YEAR?

>> MADAME AND MAYOR COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, NO. IF THEY WERE TO UTILIZE THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION, THEY COULD DO THAT IN A PEROD OF THREE MONTHS SIX MONTHS WERE UP

TO YEAR. >> WOULD YOU RECOMMEND?

>> WHICHEVER THE VENDOR WOULD PREFER.

>> WILL WE KNOW WE HAVE VENDORS THAT WANT TO DO IT AROUND, RIGHT?

>> SUBSTANTIALLY, YES. >> AM THINKING I UTILIZE THE ONES LIKE THE KAYAK, YOU KNOW, THEY NOT ONLY DO KAYAK, THEY DO BICYCLE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

>> RIGHT. >> HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO THE

CURRENT VENDOR? >> YES, MA'AM. WE HAVE AN MADAME MAYOR, SHE DOES NOT WISH TO CONTINUE. SHE HAS ANOTHER AGREEMENT GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SHE IS WISHING TO CONTINUE AN EXTENSION.

>> MS. ADAIR DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.

>> GOOD MORNING. I JUST WANT TO REMIND OURSELVES THAT THE SPECIAL USE IS FOR DELIVERY AND DEMONSTRATION ONLY. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO DO WITH ENDING THE PARKS. AND THE OTHER DISTINCTION IS AS YOU SAY FOR SPECIAL EVENTS OR SPECIAL USE IS WHAT WE ARE ADDING. I BELIEVE ALL THIS MATERIAL IS IN REVIEW IN THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE PARKS COMMITTEE HAS COMPLETED THE FORMS TODAY AND SUBMITTED THOSE LAST SUMMER. SPECIAL EVENTS ARE ON AN EVENT BASIS AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE HIRED VENDORS SUCH AS BOUNCE HOUSES AND THEY BROUGHT GIRLS IN ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT NORMALLY ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS ALLOWED IN THE PARKS.

BUT THROUGH A SPECIAL EVENTS, A ONE TIME PERMITS, THAT IS CONSIDERED. SO THAT IS SEPARATE FROM A SPECIAL USE, WHICH IS ONGOING AND CAN BE UP TO A YEAR AT A TIME.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE RFP PROCESS, WHEN LISA'S KAYAKS WAS ORDAINED THE WINNER, THAT WAS PAINFUL BACK THEN. BECAUSE IT WAS NO. AND I KNOW THE PARKS COMMITTEE DEALT WITH IT AND WE WRANGLED WITH IT. IT GOT INTO LEGAL -- HE GOT INTO ALL THIS STUFF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. WE PAVE THE WAY. IT WAS SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY BRAND-NEW FOR US. I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT WERE THE FAILURES AND SUCCESSES OF THAT? I MEAN DID IT FAIL? IS THAT WHY WE'RE NOT PROMOTING THIS TO CONTINUE? OR HAS THE WORLD JUST CHANGED SO MUCH THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE ANYMORE? I'M -- BECAUSE WE ARE PROMOTING WATER EVENTS ON HER WATERWAYS. AS PART OF OUR CHORES. IT'S PART OF ALL THE STRATEGIC POSITIONING THAT THE COMMISSION AND STAFF IS PUSHED FORWARD, BUT WAS ACCOMPLISHING EVERYTHING. I'VE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT ABOUT THEM AND I WAS KIND OF LIKED SEEING THAT ACTIVITY GOING ON IN SOME OF OUR BEACHES AS I PASSED BY KNOWING THAT WE WERE PROMOTING WHAT WE DO. I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO SAY THAT WE ARE MAKING A MISTAKE BY NOT CONTINUING WITH AN RFP, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT WERE OUR SUCCESSES AND

FAILURES ON THAT? >> MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS SUCCESSFUL AT THE TIME THE CITY WAS IN A MUCH DIFFERENT POSITION BACK THEN. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS THE ONLY APPLICANT FOR THE RFP -- NO. IT WAS THE ONLY ONE AWARDED IS THAT CORRECT (LAUGHING).

>> (LAUGHING) THANK YOU. THE PARKS COMMITTEE, IF I MAY JUST SPEAK FOR THE COMMITTEE FOR MOMENT REMEMBERING SOME OF THE DISCUSSION, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND YOU, OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO FIND SOLUTIONS THAT BALANCE A BUSINESS FRIENDLY CITY WITH HAVING PARKS THAT ARE RELAXING, WELCOMING RECREATIONAL AND SAFE FOR ALL TO ENJOY. AND I REALIZE WE STATE THAT EVERY TIME BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO STRIKE A BALANCE. AND SO, IT'S ABOUT MANAGING THE SITUATION, NOT ABOUT DOING ONE THING OR THE OTHER THING BUT IT'S ABOUT MANAGING SO WE HAVE THE BALANCE. I DON'T HAVE DIRECT DATA OF HOW SUCCESSFUL THIS WAS. I THINK LISA'S KAYAKS DID NOT OPERATE IN JC PARK MUCH OF THE TIME BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY ISSUES THERE. SHE DID OPERATE

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AT TIMES AND CAUSEWAY. I'M NOT AWARE OF ISSUES WITH THAT.

>> IN FOLLOW-UP, THOUGH, I MEAN, IT'S JUST SO BASICALLY THE WORLD HAS CHANGED WE CAN DO THIS A BETTER WAY THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? NO AGAIN, WE CAN'T RENT AT THE PARK. YOU HAVE TO RENT IT OFF-SITE. YOU CAN DELIVER THE CRAFT TO WHICHEVER PARK -- YOU NEED A

PERMIT FOR THAT THEN? >> YES. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR CERTAIN LOCATIONS, FOR CERTAIN ACTIVITIES.

>> OKAY. SO YOU CANNOT GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SHOW UP WITH A TRAILER FULL OF KAYAKS AND SAY RENT ONE TODAY OF GOT A SPECIAL DEAL GOING? OKAY. SO IT HAS TO BE RENTED OFF-SITE ONLINE, WHATEVER AND YOU MEET THE FOLKS THERE AND ALL YOU DO IS GIVE THEM THE CRAFT, SHOW THEM WHAT THE PADDLE LOOKS LIKE AND SEND THEM ON THEIR WAY?

>> THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEY WOULD HAVE THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THEM. THE PARKS COMMITTEE EVEN DESIGNED ONE THAT WOULD GO IN A LITTLE BUSINESS CARD HOLDER THAT THEY

WOULD ALWAYS HAVE WITH THEM. >> OKAY.

>> IF THAT IS IN QUESTION. >> MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE HOW MANY PARKS DO WE HAVE UNDER THE CITY AUSPICE?

>> THROUGHOUT THE CITY? >> WITH WE DID A COMPLETE INVENTORY BUT THERE ARE A LOT. BUT WATER?

>> AMIN WATER SPEAKING OF WATER. I'M SORRY.

>> RIGHT. I KNOW IN SOUTH BEACH, OUR VOLUNTEER GROUPS CLAIMS NINE PARKS AND BEACH ACCESS AREA BUT ALL THOSE DO NOT HAVE WATERFRONT ACCESS.

>> TO HAVE VENDORS LINED UP NOW WAITING FOR THIS RESOLUTION?

>> MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, I KNOW WE HAVE VENDORS THAT ARE ANXIOUSLY WAITING TO SEE WHAT DIRECTION WE TAKE.

>> OKAY. >> I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR PARKS AND BENDING AND PARKS. THE RESIDENTS ON THE PARKS. THE RESIDENTS TOLD US MY TAX DOLLARS PAY FOR THE PARKS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN THE PARK SO I CAN ENJOY THE PARK WHEN I WANT TO. IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE STATE STATUTE. WE HAVE SO MANY ACRES OF PARKLAND AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS BASED ON POPULATION WE HAPPENED TO BE A COASTAL COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE BOAT RAMPS WITHIN OUR PARKS BECAUSE IT'S AN AMENITY TO THE RESIDENT WHICH IS PAYING FOR THE PROGRAM. AND BUSINESSES WANT TO USE THAT. I WILL GO TO SOMEWHERE NOT WATER RELATED. LET'S GO TO MARYVILLE PARKS IT'S A PARK THAT'S JOHN FRIENDLY. SO, IF JEREMIAH INVENTED THE NEWEST AND LATEST AND GREATEST DOG WHISTLE AND I WANTED TO GO DEMONSTRATE MY DOG WAS ALL OF THE PARK, I'D HAVE TO GET A SPECIAL PERMIT TO GO DEMONSTRATE MY DOG WHISTLE AT MARYVILLE PARK I CAN SELL THEM THERE BUT I CAN SAY THIS IS THE GREATEST THING CHECK OUT MY APP ON MY WEBSITE. I WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK FULL-CIRCLE BECAUSE IT SOMETIMES FEELS LIKE IT'S GOVERNMENT BEING GOVERNMENT AND WERE LAYING ON THE LAW BECAUSE WE SAID THIS IS A LAW, BUT IT'S NOT. IN THIS CASE IS THE RESIDENT SAYING HEY, IT'S ALL RIGHT TO PRACTICE WITH THE DOG WHISTLE IN THE PARK, BUT DON'T SELL THE DOG WHISTLE THERE. I THINK I USE THE EXAMPLE MONTHS AGO ABOUT BASEBALL BAT DEMONSTRATION.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS. THAT'S A BIG BUSINESS. AND WE USE STREAMLINED PARK HAS BASEBALL FIELDS AND I'VE GOT THE LATEST AND GREATEST BASEBALL BAT BECAUSE IT HITS A HOMERUN EVERY TIME. YOU WANT TO SELL THE BASEBALL BAT. SO IF WE HAVE THE OPTION TO ALLOW THE DEMONSTRATION AND THE DELIVERY OF THE PRODUCT WE HAVE A USED FORD OR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. IT ALLOWS THE FREE MARKET TO DO ITS THING AND IT ALLOWS US AS RESIDENTS TO ENJOY PARKS.

>> IT BALANCES WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WHICH IS WHAT THE PARKS COMMITTEE IS TRYING TO

DO, PROVIDE A BALANCE. >> IT'S FEASIBLE -- IS NOT

PROHIBITING IT, >> MADAME MAYOR, IF I MAY.

THERE'S A COUPLE ISSUES THAT I THINK NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED AS WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THIS FROM THE LEGAL SIDE AND HAD DISCUSSION WITH MATERIALS AND PARTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE ABOUT THIS. BECAUSE AS MR. JOHNSON WAS JUST ALLUDING TO, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETING INTEREST HERE.

THE FIRST THING IS EVEN AN APPLICATION STRUCTURE AS ENVISIONED IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE FAIRLY AND ALMOST UNIFORMLY APPROACHED. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY DISCRIMINATION OF ANYBODY. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME AND DEMONSTRATE A PRODUCT THAT IS UNIVERSALLY ABOARD, JUERGEN HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME KEEPING A PERSON FROM DOING IT. WE ALL

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MAY LIKE KAYAKS AND WE MAY LIKE THE BOAT VENDORS AND THE DOG WHISTLES, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT WELL-LIKED, IS VERY DIFFICULT ON AN OBJECTIVE BASIS TO SAY NO. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GET THE USE. SO WE SHOULD BE COGNIZANT OF THAT. A SECOND THING IS AS IT'S POSTURED RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS AND THEREFORE, THAT USE -- THE USE VENDORS. SO, WE COULD HAVE 500 OF THESE ISSUED AND BE OVERRUN BY PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN.

WANTING TO USE OUR PARKS TO DEMONSTRATE.

>> MADAME MAYOR, MR. SWEENEY, ARE YOU SAYING FIRST COME FIRST SERVE OR ARE YOU CAN HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT MIGHT WANT TO RESERVE EVERY WEEKEND OF THE YEAR?

>> SO THAT'S NOT BEING FAIR TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY -- THEY DON'T NECESSARY -- EVERYBODY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT ONE VENDOR THERE.

>> SURE. AND IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, HE GOT ONE STEP AHEAD OF ME. WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS YOU COULD HAVE IT LIMITED TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF LICENSES PER YEAR PER PARK, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON TALKED ABOUT TRAVELING BASEBALL TEAMS AND SOFTBALL TEAMS. THEY WILL, AND THEY WANT TO HAVE THE PARK EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND BECAUSE HIS BUSINESS. YOU CAN HAVE THAT APPROACH, A WAY TO POSSIBLY MITIGATE THAT ALTHOUGH I DO NOT KNOW THAT YOU CAN CUT IT OUT COMPLETELY IS TO LIMITED ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. IT'S KIND OF WHAT THE RFP DID. UNLESS WE PUT IT IN THERE, IT'LL BE DIFFICULT. FINALLY THERE IS THE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT OF THIS. I AM GLAD IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ME SITTING THERE DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE IS DEMONSTRATING OR SELLING SOMETHING IN OUR PARKS. I DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO BE IF IT'S COLDER POLICE, BE ADVISED THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE A DRIVING FACTOR WITHOUT A DOUBT.

SO ALL OF THESE ISSUES, AGAIN, KNOW THE PARTS ADVISORY COMMISSION IN WORKING WITH THEM DISCUSSED AND LOOKED AT, YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT, TOO, IF YOU ARE GIVING DIRECTION ON

HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. >> MR. SESSIONS?

>> IT SEEMS TO ME AS THOUGH WE ARE GOING TO BE BURDENED WITH THE TASK OF MAKING SURE ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET OR IT WILL DIRECTLY IMPACT US. FOOD FOR THOUGHT, HAVE WE CONSIDERED -- JUST LIKE WE DECIDED TO TAKE ON THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE, HAVE WE CONSIDERED, FROM THE CITY'S STANDPOINT A PART OF OUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO TAKE ON THIS RESPONSIBILITY? AND IF THERE IS AN ADVANTAGE OR DISADVANTAGE THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF, HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT?

>> THE CITY. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER, AS OF THIS TIME, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS THE LEISURE SERVICES OR RECREATION RESPONSIBLE ENTITY. AS OF THIS TIME, ALL PARKS RENTALS, ALL PAVILION RENTALS, ALL FACILITY RENTALS ALL RESERVATIONS ARE HANDLED THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND THAT SHALL REMAIN. IF THIS DOES OCCUR WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT WILL GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FOR THEM TO APPROVE, DENY, AND UPHOLD.

>> ALL RIGHT. BUT, SPECIAL USE OPERATIONS IN ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WERE JUST TALKED ABOUT FROM OUR ATTORNEY'S STANDPOINT, COULD WE HAVE MORE OF A DIRECT IMPACT AND SORT OF RUN IT OURSELVES? YOU UNDERSTAND WARM GOING WITH THIS? RUN THIS AND MAKE IT A PART OF OUR RECREATION. YOU'RE TRYING TO AVOID IT.

>> HIM NOT TRY AND AVOID IT. >> I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.

CAN WE DO THIS. AND IF WERE GOING TO BE STUCK WITH ALL OF THESE RESPONSIBILITIES, THEN HOW COME WE CAN TAKE THIS ON WHAT WE DID POP ONE OR ANY OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE DONE

IN THE PAST? >> COMMISSIONER, I DO NOT THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AT ALL. I THINK WE TAKE THE APPLICATION. WE MEET WITH THE APPLICANT AND IF IT MEETS OUR NEEDS AND CRITERIA, WE SCHEDULE IT.

>> MR. REELS IS CAPABLE AND HIS STAFF IS CAPABLE OF HANDLING THIS. NOT A PROBLEM.

>> OKAY. >> SO BUT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO -- IN THIS PROCESS, MAKE AN ASSESSMENT ABOUT WHETHER SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE SAFE

OR NOT SAFE, RIGHT. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY NO TO SOMETHING THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE A FIREARM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANT IN OUR PARKS, RIGHT.

THAT'S UNSAFE. SO YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAYS -- AND YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN

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THERE THAT SAYS WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE AN ASSESSMENT? CAN YOU MAKE AN ASSESSMENT ABOUT WHAT SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE A PART?

>> I BELIEVE SO YES, MA'AM. MR. SWEENEY?

>> MR. SWEENEY? >> IN THE LANGUAGE, TO A DEGREE THERE ALREADY IN THE APPLICATION. I WANT TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT PUTS ALL THE DIFFERENCE ON THE DECISION ON MR. REELS. (LAUGHING) SORRY, MY, BUT THAT'S THE FACT OF THE MATTER. AND IF SOMEBODY SAYS I DISAGREE WITH YOUR INTERPRETATION OF WHETHER THAT'S SAFE OR NOT YOU'VE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ME BY NOT ALLOWING ME TO DEMONSTRATE MY DRONES, THEN -- THIS IS MY JOB TO WARN YOU THAT WE, IF THE CITY GET SUED IF WE ARE FOUND TO BE DISCRIMINATED NOW AGAIN, I'M OVERBLOWN AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> MADAME MAYOR, BEFORE WE GET TOO WORKED UP ABOUT THIS, MR. RAILS TAKES AND APPLICATIONS EVERY DAY FOR SPECIAL EVENTS THAT HAPPENED EVERY WEEKEND AND PARK RESERVATIONS THAT HAPPEN EVERY WEEKEND. THIS IS NOT A LIFE-CHANGING ISSUE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE. SO HE CAN HANDLE IT. HE'S VERY INTELLIGENT. HIS STAFF IS VERY INTELLIGENT. THIS WILL NOT BE

A PROBLEM. >> SO THE BULLET NUMBER TWO, DEVELOP A SPECIAL USE PROCESS. WE ARE DEVELOPING A BEGINNING NOW IS THAT WITH THAT SAYING?

WHAT IS THAT TELLING ME? >> THE PARKS COMMITTEE HAS DEVELOPED THE FORMS, THE APPLICATION, THE ORDINANCE WHICH INCLUDES THE ENFORCEMENT PARTS AND I BELIEVE THAT'S UNDER REVIEW AT THE PRESENT TIME WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

>> PAN-AMERICAN. >> YES, SIR.

>> THAT WE REACHED OUT TO OTHER CITIES TO SEE USE AN APPLICAION HAS ARTY BEEN FORMED? HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO OTHER CITIES TO SEE WHAT KIND OF APPLICATION THEY HAVE.

>> HE HAS HAD. WE DID AN EXTENSIVE REACH OUT OVER 30 OTHER CITIES.

>> SO WE HAVE EXPERTISE THAN AMONGST THE TWO OF YOU, RIGHT.

>> WE LEARNED A LOT. >> OKAY. THE PARKS AND COMMITTEE LEARNED A LOT IN THAT EFFORT.

>> AND THROUGH HAVING THE DATA WE DEVELOPED THIS PROCESS.

>> MAKE SURE YOU DRAG THE ATTORNEY IN SAITO GET TRIPPED UP.

>> YES, SIR. THAT'S WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW (LAUGHING).

>> TO A SPECIAL EVENT, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH IS THE COST?

>> WHICH ONE ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT.

>> LET'S JUST SAY I WANT TO DELIVER A KAYAK TO JC PARK.

>> MADAME MAYOR COMMISSIONER PERRONE. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED YET. THAT WILL BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION ON THE FEE BASED ON THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS OR ONE YEAR. I BELIEVE THE PARTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THEY ARE NOT SET IN STONE. IF SOMEONE WISHES TO RECEIVE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT FOR A ONE-DAY EVENT OR SO, IS NO MORE THAN $100.

>> I MEAN, AND WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GOVERN. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT TO YOUR CONCERNS, MR. ATTORNEY, FINANCIALLY, OR ECONOMICALLY, YOU CAN HELP CURTAIL SOME OF THIS ABUSE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THESE TYPE OF THINGS, IF IT'S $10 GET THEM LINED UP AND SAY LET'S GO AND DO IT. ECONOMICALLY, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ALSO BECAUSE IT WILL HELP WITH THE PROCESS. AND THAT IS LEGAL IN ITS WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY TO DO SO.

>> MAYOR? ABSOLUTELY. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THEY HAVE IS IF IT IS A COMMERCIAL VENDOR HAVING THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE TYPICALLY REQUIRE INTERVIEWS SO COMMERCIAL GENERAL LIABILITY POLICIES HAVE GENERALLY A MILLION-DOLLAR COVERAGE. IF A COMPANY CAN'T AFFORD A POLICY OR AN INDIVIDUAL OR POLICY ã MCKENNA FOR POLICY THAN THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MEET AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD. IT WAS $250 OR $500, THOSE ARE OBJECTIVE THINGS. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE THINGS THEY HAVE THE MONEY THEY CAN BE THAT WE FIND OUT LATER ON IT'S A PROBLEM.

>> IN FOLLOW-UP TO THAT, LET'S SAY THERE'S AN ABUSE -- WE DO THESE THINGS EVERY DAY AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID. LET'S JUST SAY THERE IS NO ABUSE AND THERE IS AN OVERUSE OR THERE IS A PROBLEM THAT AFFECTS THE SAFE AND NORMAL USE OF OUR PARKS. WE CAN ALWAYS REVISIT THIS ISSUE AND MAKE CHANGES. SO WE ARE NOT CAUGHT IN THIS FOREVER.

>> YES, SIR. >> WE, AT ONE TIME, SPOKE ABOUT LIKE POLICING THE PARKS, HAVING A SPECIAL SECURITY ON THAT PARKS -- PARK RANGERS,

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SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S JUST A NAME, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE HIRED FOREST RANGERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I'M JUST SPEAKING OF OUR OWN -- WITHIN OUR OWN -- MR. REAL IS GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT.

>> OKAY. YOUR PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON A VOLUNTEER PARK RANGER PROGRAM THAT WE HOPE WILL BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU LATER THIS YEAR.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. LET'S WE APPRECIATE THAT. I WAS GONNA SAY BACK TO A COMMISSIONER PERRONE ASIDE, IF YOU MADE THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS COSTLY ENOUGH THAT THAT WOULD HELP PAY FOR ENFORCEMENT PERHAPS BECAUSE -- BUT HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE SEEN DEMONSTRATED HERE TODAY IS THAT OUR CITY MANAGER IS IN THE BUSINESS OF CAN DO IN OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS. (LAUGHING) SO, EVERYBODY IS DOING THEIR JOB. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. YOU NEED ANY FURTHER DIRECTION?

>> BASED UPON YOUR FEEDBACK, WE SHALL NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RFP.

>> RIGHT. >> THAT'S THE FEEDBACK I'M

RECEIVING. >> THAT IS RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR ARTICULATING THAT VERY WELL.

>> I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION. TO CUT OFF ANY POTENTIAL PROBLEMS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I SEE THE ATTORNEYS CONCERNS. LET'S FACE IT, WE OPEN OURSELVES UP TO THE PUBLIC IS LIKE AN OPEN CHECKBOOK. WHY CAN'T WE LIMIT THE TYPE OF SERVICES OR ACTIVITIES AND PUT A LIMITATION ON THOSE ACTIVITIES SO WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE COME OUT AS FAR OUT AS DRONES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO BE PERHAPS AN ISSUE TO CIRCUMVENT AND JUST NARROW IT DOWN TO A SCOPE OF ACTIVITY THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH HANDLING MAKE THAT A PART OF THE ORDINANCE. IF IT'S A PART OF THE ORDINANCE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE IT IS. IF YOU CAN'T DO WITH AND WHAT WE'VE CATEGORIZED IS WHAT IS ELIGIBLE TO DO SO, THE WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. WHAT HE WILL THINK ABOUT THAT?

>> MR. SWEENEY? THANK YOU. THE DIFFICULTY THERE IS THIS: IF WE WERE SITTING UP HERE 10 YEARS AGO, NOBODY KNEW WHAT A DRONE IS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO BE THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS FROM NOW AND PUT IT EFFECTIVELY IN THE ORDINANCE AS AN ACTIVITY THAT EITHER IS ALLOWED OR PROHIBITED, ONE WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE IF WE SUDDENLY DO ONE ALLOW THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY WHETHER IT'S THE JET SKI ATTACHED BOOT GUY IN THE AIR OFF OF JC PARK ATTACHED TO THE JET SKI, WHATEVER HE WAS DOING OR I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ELSE. ANY OF THOSE THINGS. THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S OTHER ASPECTS OF IT WHETHER IT'S CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL SPEECH OR WHETHER IT'S PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT AS BEING EXPRESSIVE. THAT'S THE STRUGGLES THAT I HAVE WITH THIS.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK MR. MIMBS IS CORRECT. THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB. I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYBODY SET UP TO FAIL. THAT'S ALL.

>> MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, GO AHEAD. I DON'T --

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO STATE THAT THIS RECOMMENDED ORDINANCE HAS BEEN BEFORE TWO, POSSIBLY THREE CITY ATTORNEYS. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH MR. MIMBS AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THIS WHEN IT COMES BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL. WE WILL HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN. IN THE LANGUAGE AND WHATEVER FROM FEES TWO THINGS THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT US AS BEST WE CAN. AND THEN WE WILL PUT IT BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL.

>> AND YOU CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE. COMMISSIONER PERRONE?

>> MY TRUE THOUGHTS ARE THAT I AM SOFT ON KILLING THE RFP. AND I THINK THAT THE PARKS COMMITTEE I'M REFERRING TO THEM, I CAN SEE THAT THERE MAY BE A TIME WE WANT TO REVISIT THIS. SHE WENT TO HOLY HAD TO GET THERE. HER PROFESSIONALISM THE WAY SHE ENGAGED THE PUBLIC AND SHE GOT YOU INTO THE KAYAK SOMEHOW. SHE DID A GREAT JOB. AND FROM THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE MOVE ON FROM THAT AND GROW THAT WHOLE PROGRAM. SO GOING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, I'M A LITTLE SOFT ON THEM. BUT WE WILL TRY THIS FOR WELL. IF WE HAVE A DEMAND -- OF IT SEEMS

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LIKE WERE NOT HITTING OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING GIRLS OF ENGAGING THE PUBLIC WITH OUR WATERWAYS, WERE GOING TO COME BACK AT THIS AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WAYS THAT WE CAN PUT PEOPLE UP. BUT WE ARE ENDING ON A GOOD NOTE WITH OUR RFP.

>> AND LISA WORKED HARD. AND SHE WAS TRUE TO HER MISSION AND SHE SERVED US WELL. I LOVE SEEING THE PINK TRUCKS THERE. ALREADY. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

[c. NW Pioneers Park naming submission discussion]

>> IN THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS NORTHWEST PIONEERS PARK NAMING SUBMISSION

DISCUSSION. >> MR. MIMBS? MANY YEARS AGO THE PART THAT WE KNOW IS NORTHWEST PIONEERS PARK WAS NAMED FOR THE PIONEERS THAT GUIDED THE AREA OF FORT PIERCE.

SO I'D LIKE FOR MR. REAL'S TO TALK ABOUT THIS NEW INITIATIVE TO RENAME NORTHWEST PIONEERS PARK AND HOW WE HAVE APPROACHED THE SITUATION AND WHAT THE RECLAMATION THE PARKS ADVISORY

COMMITTE HAS FOR THE CITY. >> MR. MILLS.

>> THANK YOU. AS MR. MIMBS STATED, NORTHWEST PIONEER PARK HAS BEEN A VITAL PARK FOR SOME TIME IN THE CITY. IN 2010, IT UNDERWENT A MAJOR RENOVATION TO HONOR THE PIONEERS OF NORTHWEST FORT PIERCE. LAST YEAR WE HAD A REQUEST TO PLACE A CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS FOR A POSSIBLE RENAMING OF THE PARK. WE GOT TO SUBMISSIONS THAT THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL SPEAK UPON TODAY AND ALSO PROVIDE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THEM. MR. MAYOR?

>> THANK YOU MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. I AM BASICALLY GOING TO RAISE THE CONCLUSION -- READ THE CONCLUSION FROM THE COMMITTEE AND THEN ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. AS MR. MILLS SAID TWO PARTIES HAVE PROPOSED THAT THE PARK BE RENAMED RUFUS J ALEXANDER JUNIOR PARK. THE EIGHT ACRE PARCEL WAS ACQUIRED BY THE CITY IN EARLY 1979 AND APPEARS TO HAVE ORIGINALLY BEEN CALLED -- PERHAPS UNOFFICIALLY -- 29TH STREET PARK.

AFTER, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF MOTIONS, ETC., THEY ESTABLISHED A PLAN THAT MR. RAILS HAS DESCRIBED. THE PICTURES OF THE PARK ENTRANCE AND OF THE DETAILED ORIGINAL DESIGN DRAW CONCLUSION THAT THE PURPOSE WAS TO HONOR MANY PIONEERS. THIS DESIGN IS NOT BEEN COMPLETED TODAY.

>> I WONDER -- TO HAVE THOSE PICTURES? IT'S A BEAUTIFUL ENTRANCE. IN THE PARKS COMMITTEE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME, WENT OUT AND OBSERVED IT, UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT MIGHT BE. RUFUS J ALEXANDER JUNIOR WAS A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF FORT PIERCE RESIDING IN THE AREA WHERE THE PARK IS LOCATED. FROM THE NOMINATION FORMS, IT IS APPARENT THAT MR. ALEXANDER WAS, FOR MANY YEARS INVOLVED IN NUMEROUS COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, INCLUDING ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT IN SEVERAL CITY PARKS.

ALTHOUGH NORTHWEST PIONEER PARK IS NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED.

THE CITY COMMISSION HAS ADOPTED SPECIFIC GUIDELINES FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING A SYSTEMATIC AND CONSISTENT APPROACH FOR THE NAMING AND RENAMING OF PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SETTING FORTH PROCEDURES TO BE FOLLOWED.

THE PACS COMPLETED STEPS ONE THROUGH THREE AND IS NOW SUBMITTED CONCLUSIONS TO THE DURING A CONFERENCE AGENDA MEETING.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AS YOU WILL NOTICE FROM THE -- THIS REQUEST, THE NOMINATIONS DO MEET THE GUIDELINES AS DOES THE PROPOSED NAME. HOWEVER, THE GUIDELINES ESTABLISHED BY THE COMMISSION SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT "RENAMING CARRIES WITH IT A MUCH GREATER BURDEN OF PROCESS COMPARED TO INITIAL NAMING. TRADITION AND CONTINUITY OF NAME AND COMMUNITY IDENTIFICATION ARE IMPORTANT COMMUNITY VALUES.

EACH REQUEST TO RENAME MUST MEET THE CRITERIA OF THIS POLICY, BUT MEETING ALL CRITERIA DOES NOT ENSURE RENAMING." THAT'S DIRECTLY FROM THE PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE ALL APPROVED AND ADOPTED.

THEREFORE, THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AFTER CONSIDERING THE HISTORY SURROUNDING THE ACQUISITION NAMING OF NORTHWEST PIONEERS PARK, AFTER CONSIDERING THE FACTS AND PURPOSES UNDERLYING THAT NAME, AFTER CONSIDERING THE GUIDELINES OF THE CRITERIA CONTAINED THEREIN, AS UNANIMOUSLY HAS CONCLUDED THAT THE PROPOSED RENAMING OF THE PARKING QUESTION SHOULD BE REJECTED BY THE COMMISSION. THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE PARK

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WAS TO HONOR MANY PIONEERS IN THE COMMITTEE AGREES THAT THEY COULD MOST LIKELY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS ONE OF THOSE PIONEERS.

THE PROCESS FOR SELECTING THESE INDIVIDUALS HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED TODAY. WE INCLUDED A LETTER FROM LARRY LEE SUGGESTING A PROCESS BUT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE IN THE FUTURE. SO AS WE -- THE CONCLUSION IS THAT THIS WAS THAT WE HAD TWO PARTIES WHO PROPOSE THE SAME NAME FOR THE RENAMING.

IT'S A GREAT SUBMISSION. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THIS PARK SHOULD BE RENAMED OR WHETHER THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF HAVING SOME SORT OF PLAQUE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE PLAQUES IN FRONT OF -- OR WITHIN THE ENTRANCE, THE CIRCLE ENTRANCE THAT WE SHOWED PREVIOUSLY. SO WE DID NOT GET ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE IN OUR RESEARCH AND HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS THAT SAID THIS WAS A BAD IDEA. AND OF COURSE WE WERE IN ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS UP TO SO THIS PLAQUE DOES NOT EXIST? IS THAT RIGHT?

>> IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE GOOGLE IMAGE THAT WAS PROVIDED, THERE IS 20 AREAS AROUND THIS PEDESTRIAN PLAZA DURING THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THOSE AREA WITH THE PICTURE YOU SEE HERE.

THE PIONEERS BE IDENTIFIED WITH A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY PLACED IN THOSE, IN EACH OF THOSE.

THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 20. >> OKAY.

>> MATTER MAYOR? >> YES, SIR.

>> FIRST I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T MISUNDERSTAND. I'M NOT RUFUS JUNIOR. OKAY.

YOU'RE THE THIRD. >> ON THE THIRD.

>> OKAY. SO THIS IS BEFORE MY TIME COMING ON THIS COMMISSION BOARD, THAT MY FATHER, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY WERE THE ONES THAT MAINTAINED THIS AS A PARK. AND I JUST WANT -- YOU KNOW, IT'S NOTHING THAT -- IF IT WASN'T FOR THEM, MY FATHER IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE WOULDN'T BE SUCH A PARK. AND THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY

ABOUT IT. >> WELL I CERTAINLY THINK HE SHOULD BE HONORED AND I LIKE THE IDEA THAT REPRESENTATIVE LEE PROPOSED, AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME BUT I CERTAINLY THINK THAT MR. ALEXANDER'S FATHER SHOULD BE ONE OF THOSE NAMES. I HAVE ACTUALLY, IN MY FORMER LIFE, DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON PIONEERS AND LOCAL NAMES. AND SO, I WENT BACK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE -- THE RESEARCH AND THE NAMES AND I ALSO WENT BACK AND READ THE HISTORY OF HOW THIS PARK CAME ABOUT AND HOW IT CAME TO BE NAMED. AND IT WAS -- IT WAS MEANT TO BE NORTHWEST PIONEERS PARK WAS MEANT TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY. SO COMMISSIONER PERRONE?

>> I DID, TOO. AND I READ THE COMMISSION NOTES AS GOOD AS YOU CAN, OBVIOUSLY WERE IN DIGITAL SO IT'S EASIER. AND I KNEW THOSE COMMISSIONERS AT THE TIME, THE MAYOR, I WAS A YOUNG MAN WHEN THEY PUT THIS TOGETHER 39 YEARS AGO. BUT THEY WENT THROUGH A LOT OF PROCESS, TOO, TO GET TO THIS POINT. AND I THINK IT'S PART OF OUR HISTORY AND TRADITION AND IT'S A WAY -- I AM ENGAGED WITH WHAT LARRY LEE SAID. I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY OUT INTO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND ADD NAMES TO THE LIST OF OUR PIONEERS TO BECOME PART OF OUR HISTORY. IT'S ENGAGING TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> DO WE KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST? WE DO NOT. WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT CAN COME ON-SITE AND ENGRAVED IN PLACE SIMILAR TO WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AT VETERANS PARK.

>> I MEAN, I GOT AWAY FROM THE RENAMING ASPECT OF IT A LITTLE BIT AND KIND OF -- IT HAS GOTTEN MY ATTENTION NOW IS I DON'T WANT THIS JUST TO SLIP BY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO ENGAGE IT, TO MAKE A COMMITMENT AND MOVE IT FORWARD. THAT'S -- PERSONALLY, THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.

>> MATTER MAYOR? >> YES, SIR.

>> I AGREE. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND A LOT OF PLANNING AND EFFORTS GOING INTO

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THIS AND JUST PULLING UP THE GOOGLE MAP, EVEN ON YOUR IPAD YOU GET A CLEARER PICTURE THERE'S TO -- ONE OR TWO OF THEM IN THE FRONT -- RIGHT THERE AS YOU ENTER, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SPOT. I FEEL LIKE THIS APPLICATION IS -- IS ONE OF THOSE SPOTS RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT. AND I THINK IT'S PERFECT.

>> AND I THINK MR. ALEXANDER JUNIOR SHOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST NAMES WE PUT ON THERE.

>> ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT THERE. >> MELANIE ASK YOU, ARE WE -- ARE WE GOING TO NAME THE PARK AFTER HIM OR PUTTING HIS NAME UPFRONT ON THE LIST. THERE'S A

DIFFERENCE HERE. >> THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE NAME REMAIN THE SAME AND THAT MR. ALEXANDER BE ONE OF THOSE PIONEERS WHO WAS HONORED.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WELL I WAS HOPING THAT THE PARK ITSELF WOULD HAVE BEEN NAMED AFTER HIM IN LIGHT OF HIS INPUT IS INFLUENCE IN HIS CONTRIBUTION GIVEN THAT HE WAS LIKE A GUARDIAN ANGEL WATCHING THE PARK, KEEPING UP WITH THE PARK AND SOME INDIVIDUALS EDUCATED ME ON THAT ISSUE BECAUSE INITIALLY I BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE OF ALBERT THOMAS. I HAD GOTTEN AFTER WE NAMED THE PIONEER -- NO, NOT PIONEER -- BUT THE POP WARNER FOOTBALL FIELD AND 17TH STREET. MY BONE STARTS BURNING OFF THE HOOK. WELL WHAT ABOUT SOMEONE THAT HAS DONE GREAT THINGS IN TERMS OF CONTRIBUTIONS AND DONE SO MANY THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY? ALBERT THOMAS. SO I IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED THE CLERK -- ALFRED WILSON. I'M SORRY I SAY THOMAS. ALBERT WILSON AND HIS FAMILY. AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. ALBERT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT HE DOES AND HE LOVES FORT PIERCE. BUT I HOPE YOU DON'T GET OFF TRACK WITH THAT, TOO. WE CAN FIND SOMETHING TO NAME AFTER HIM.

BUT GETTING BACK TO THE POINT IN HAND, INDIVIDUALS INDICATED ME ON WHO MR. ALEXANDER WAS AND WHAT HIS CONTRIBUTION WAS AND I SAID OKAY. WE WILL MOVE FROM THERE AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. AT ANY RATE, NAMING THE PARK AFTER HIM, HOW COME WE CAN'T DO THAT? LET ME PUT THAT ON THE TABLE AS OPPOSED TO JUST

PUTTING HIS NAME ON THE LIST? >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, YOU CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT. WE ARE JUST IN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND YOU ARE THE DECISION-MAKERS.

>> I WAS NOT POSING A TOWARD YOU I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU IN THE HOT SEAT.

>> I'M SORRY WERE LOOKING AT ME (LAUGHING).

>> I'M SPEAKING MORE ALONG THE PEOPLE UP THERE WITH ME FOR CONSIDERATION. CAN WE DO THAT?

MATTER MAYOR? >> WE CAN. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. BUT I GO BACK TO THE HISTORY OF THE COMMISSION THAT WAS SITTING IN THE PLANNING OF THE EFFORTS, YOU KNOW, THEY BROUGHT IN A LOT OF COMMUNITY FOCUS SAYING HEY, IF WE DO THIS, IN THIS WAY, WE CAN LIST AND IDENTIFY OUR PIONEERS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. IT'S A HISTORICAL DOCUMENT AND HISTORICAL RECORD WERE IDENTIFYING ALL OF OUR PATIOS THAT MEAN SO MUCH THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS READING INTO THE MINUTES OF THE

COMMISSION MEETING. >> YOU KNOW, I WENT AND DID A LITTLE RESEARCH I TALKED TO SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE AROUND AND THAT WAS SOMEWHAT OF A COMPROMISE BECAUSE THERE WAS A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WANTED TO NAME THE PARK AFTER HIM. BUT THIS WAS A COMPROMISE IN LIEU OF DOING SO. BUT, AT ANY RATE, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THE WILL OF THIS COMMISSION IS THE WILL OF THIS COMMISSION. BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD TO JUST NAME THE PARK AFTER HIM AND IF WE WANTED THE PIONEERS TO SUBSEQUENTLY FALL INTO PLACE AS TIME MOVES ALONG, THEN SO BE IT. YOU KNOW?

>> MAYOR? >> YES. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY -- IF WE WERE DISCUSSING A CHANGE GET FROM THE 29TH STREET PARK, THERE'D BE NO PROBLEM AT ALL AS

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FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. BUT GOING BACK IN HISTORY -- I THINK HE BRINGS UP GREAT POINTS. IN HIS LETTER HE PUTS NAMES IN THERE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW TO BIG INFLUENCE IN HOW WE BECAME FORT PIERCE THAT WE ARE TODAY. I HAVE NO PROBLEM RENAMING AN INSTITUTION OR PARK LIKE THIS, TODAY, BUT I JUST -- YOU ARE ADDING IN NAME BUT YOU'RE ALSO SUBTRACTING WHOLE BUNCH OF FOLKS THAT -- I WOULD PROBABLY BOTHER ME THE MOST. SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY WE CAN DO BOTH IS KEEP IT -- A AS THE NORTHWEST PIONEER PARK AND JUST MAKE OUR COMMITMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR -- THE NAMING OF THOSE FOLKS THAT MAKE UP THAT ARE WELL DISPLAYED

THERE IN THE PARK. >> SO WERE NOT CHANGING THE NAME, WERE JUST PUTTING HIS NAME FIRST ON THE PLAQUE IS WHAT WERE DOING THEN?

>> IS WHAT I'M -- IS WHAT I'M. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING BECAUSE NORTHWEST -- IT'S PIONEERS PARK. IT IS VERY INCLUSIVE IT'S INCLUSIVE. WE ARE NOT ELIMINATING ANYBODY ELSE AND THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HIS NAME VERY FIRST ONE

THAT WE PUT. >> MAYOR?

>> IN READING THROUGH SOME OF THE MINUTES, DID YOU CATCH THE CITIZENS AGAINST HIGH-RISES BEING ONE OF THE GROUPS (LAUGHING).

>> CITIZENS AGAINST HIGH-RISES. WHERE ARE THEY OUT RIGHT NOW? IS JUST INTERESTING THAT WHATEVER IS HAPPENING AT THAT DAY AND TIME, WAS BEING INPUTTED AND THE FOR COMMISSIONERS AND THE MAYOR SAT BACK AND WANTED A MORE BROAD HONOR TO THOSE FOLKS THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, SET US ON THE RIGHT COURSE. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GET OFF THAT COMMITMENT.

>> IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> CAN WE MOVE ON? >> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA

[d. Discussion at the request of Commissioner Sessions regarding the recently adopted Ordinance establishing a no wake zone at Jaycee Park surrounding the existing boat ramp.]

IS DISCUSSION OF THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER SESSIONS REGARDING THE RECENTLY ADOPTED ORDINANCES REGARDING A NO WAKE ZONE SURROUNDING THE EXISTING BOAT RAMP.

>> MR. MIMBS OR COMMISSIONER SESSIONS? YOU WANT TO START?

>> YES. I BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP SO WE COULD RECONSIDER IT WITH REGARDS TO WHAT WE PUT IN PLACE NOW. AND THAT IS, THE 500 FOOT RADIUS TO ELIMINATE JETSKI BEYOND NO WAKE THAT IS.

STILL RIDE THE JET SKIS, BUT NO WAKE. I WENT OUT THERE TO LOOK AT THE AREA AND WHAT I SEE DIFFERENTLY NOW, FROM WHAT I SAW EARLIER IS THAT FIRST OF ALL, IT'S MARKED OFF. THEY HAVE THESE BIG ORANGE CONES THAT YOU CONCEIVED FROM HERE TO AVENUE B. THAT CIRCLES THE AREA WHERE THE KIDS ARE. IT'S ALL AROUND THE AREA WHERE THE JET SKIS ARE PROHIBITED. WHICH IT WASN'T LIKE THAT BEFORE. BUT, IT'S VERY ISOLATED AND DESIGNATED AND IT MAKES SENSE NOW THAT WHOEVER IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCEMENT, MY MAIN CONCERN BEFORE WAS THE CHILDREN'S LIVES AT STAKE. SO, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ENFORCEMENT, BUT IT CERTAINLY DESIGNATED AND YOU CAN SEE FROM AFAR WHERE THE AREA IS. TO PREVENT ANY TYPE OF JETSKI ACTIVITY. 500 FEET IS WAY OUT. I MEAN, THAT'S -- I THOUGHT MAYBE SOMETHING MORE REASONABLE IN LIGHT OF ALREADY HAVING THE DESIGNATION WITH THE ORANGE CONES OF MAYBE 150 TO 200 FEET WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE REASONABLE. BUT 500 FEET AFTER GOING OUT THERE IS TREMENDOUSLY LONG. THAT'S WHY WANT TO BRING THIS UP FOR RECONSIDERATION.

>> QUESTION, I THOUGHT WE CROSSED OVER THAT, BUT IT SAYS WE MAKE IT 200 FEET, THAT MEANS WE CAN ONLY PROTECT A SMALL PORTION OF OUR DESIGNATED SWIMMING AREA IS THAT RIGHT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. IT IS THE CIRCUMFERENCE. THE PARKS COMMITTEE ONE AHEAD AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE AREA THAT THEY WANTED TO DESIGNATE AS A SAFE ZONE. AND FROM THAT DIAMETER, YOU CREATE A LARGE CIRCLE ALL PUTS THAT UP TO A 500 FOOT LEVEL.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT BECAUSE IT WAS A CONCERN OF MINE ALSO. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN MAY BE A SHORTER DISTANCE THAN 500 FEET. BUT I THOUGHT THAT WOULD NOT

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ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE SET OFF TO DO.

>> OUR ORIGINAL INTENT. YES, SIR.

>> OUR ORIGINAL INTENT. YES, SIR.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> I THINK AN EARLIER COMMISSION RULED THAT THE SWIM AREAS ONLY 180 FEET. WE DO NOT HAVE THE PROPER DESIGNATED SWIM AREA OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S THE ENTIRE BEACH, WHICH IS 360 OR 400 FEET. AND I THINK MY RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE OF THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION ESTABLISHED 180 FEET WHICH IS HALF THE BEACHFRONT. WHICH IS ABOUT WHERE THAT MID SIDEWALK IS ACROSS THE TRAVERSES, JC PARK IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS HAD ORDINANCE OR NOT.

>> MRS. ADAIR. >> MANNA MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.

I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT IN YOUR DOCUMENTATION, BELIEVE THAT WAS INCLUDED WITH THIS DISCUSSION ITEM, YOU WILL NOTICE NOT ONLY SWIM AREA, BUT IT'S BATHING BEACH AS WELL.

SO, THIS MAY BE A DISCUSSION, BUT IT -- IT'S NOT REALLY CONTROLLED BY THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. 500 FEET, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS -- WHEN YOU SEE THAT CLOSE UP AND YOU'VE GOT A CLOSE-UP IN YOUR PACKAGES WELL, THE -- THE FWC AND THE OTHERS STATE RULES THAT WE SHOULD HAVE 500 FEET PROTECTING THE BOAT RAMP. IF THE WATERWAY IS 500 FEET OR MORE WIDE. SO, IT IS A STATE RULE. AND THE WAY THEY DO IT IS THIS IS FROM THE BOAT RAMP FROM ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO THAT'S WHY THE CIRCLE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A SMALL PORTION OF THE TOTAL WHEN YOU SEE THE DISTANCE ACROSS TO THE SANDBARS OR TO THE CHANNEL OR TO THE OTHER SIDE.

>> MANNA MAYOR? >> YES, SIR.

>> WHAT THE DILEMMA IS NOW IS THAT IF WE SAY NO TO THE 500 FEET, THEN ARE WE IN BED WITH THE STATE? WOULD THE STATE DO ANY RETALIATION OR ANYTHING?

>> THERE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS TO UNDO THAT BECAUSE WE ALREADY LICENSED. BUT THE PROCESSES EXIST TO DO THAT BUCKS MANNA MAYOR, COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO DESIGNATE AN AREA SMALLER THAN THE 500 FEET, WE WOULD HAVE TO START THE PROCESS OVER. WE HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU WITH A NEW ORDINANCE TO BE APPROVED, APPLY FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE PROBLEM -- PERMIT AND SUBMIT THAT TO FWC FOR REVIEW FOR APPROVAL. THAT

WILL BE THE PROCESS. >> BUT MY, WHAT WE ARE DOING, WE ARE -- WE HAVE THE INPUT OF THE CITIZENS. AND THAT'S WHAT THEIR WISHES ARE. VERSUS WHAT THE STATE WISHES. SO WE ARE GOING TO MANDATE WHAT THE STATES SAY OVER THE CITIZENS?

IS THAT WHAT WE DETERMINED? >> WHERE ARE YOU IN THE

PROCESS? >> THE PERMIT HAS BEEN APPROVED. THROUGH FWC. IT'S AWAITING A SIGNATURE TO GO BACK AND THEN WE ARE SET.

IF WE CHOOSE TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, WE WOULD NEED TO START THE PROCESS OVER AGAIN.

WE DO NOT STAND TO GET IN ANY TROUBLE IF WE AMEND AT THIS POINT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AS MS. ADAIR POINTED OUT, THE RADIUS IS WHAT IS ABLE TO ENCOMPASS THE BATHING AREA AND THE SWIM AREA. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE -- ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS FOR THE 500 FEET.

>> MRS. ADAIR? >> MANNA MAYOR. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RESPOND. THERE HAS BEEN AN AWFUL LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT MAINTAINING THE SAFETY AND SAFETY CONCERNS. THAT HAVE BEEN ALSO COMMUNICATED, I BELIEVE, TO THE COMMISSION. AND I ACTUALLY HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE AREA ON BUSY DAYS IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE. AND YOU GET A SENSE OF THE SAFETY ISSUES INVOLVED IN THE FACT THAT THE PARKS COMMITTEE JUST WANTED TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYONE NOT EXCLUDE ANYONE. AND JUST AS PEOPLE TO TAKE ONE AND AND A HALF TO 2 MINUTES LONGER AND GET A LITTLE BIT OF WAY FROM THE SWIM AREA. FOR INSTANCE, WE HAD ONE JETSKI THAT WAS GOING RIGHT ALONG THESE SWIM BUOYS THAT YOU SEE. THAT MADE BIG WAVES INTO THE SWIM AREA. AND IT WAS ENDANGERING SMALLER

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CHILDREN BECAUSE OF THE SUDDEN OF THESE BIG WAVES. THEN THEY FELL OFF AND THE JETSKI SMOKE -- ONE INCH THE AREA BARELY MISSED THE TODDLER. AVERAGE REALIZED THAT THEY STOP QUICKLY BUT THAT HAPPEN. AND SO IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. AND WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY OUR PARKS AND FOR IT TO BE BALANCED. AND I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A LOT SAID ABOUT THE SAFETY, PARTICULARLY THE CHILDREN. THE TREASURE COAST SAILING, ALSO HAS SUMMER CAMPS.

WE SEE FROM 4 TO 6 BUSES EVERY DAY AND JC PARK IN THE SUMMER. SMALL CHILDREN ENJOYING THE WATER IN THE PARK. WE JUST WANT THAT TO CONTINUE IN A SAFE WAY.

>> I WANTED TO ADD WHAT YOU SAID THAT SINCE -- AFTER WE VOTED THE LAST TIME, I HAD PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT AT THE MEETING WHO THANKED ME -- AS FOR DOING THIS BECAUSE WERE PEOPLE THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PARK AND WANT EVERYBODY TO BE SAFE AND REALIZE THAT THAT WAS -- IT'S NOT A PERFECT SOLUTION. WE REALIZE SOME PEOPLE ARE UNHAPPY ABOUT IT.

BUT I, MYSELF, PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THIS A TRY FOR A WHILE AS OPPOSED WHEN DOING IT

RIGHT NOW. >> YES, SIR. HE.

>> AND I'M HAPPY, COMMISSIONER SESSIONS BROUGHT THIS FORWARD BECAUSE HE GOT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME. WE SPENT -- WE STARTED BACK IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR.

AND I THOUGHT WE GOT TO THE CONCLUSION. AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT ALTHOUGH I WAS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH 500 FEET, IT'S BETTER THAN NOT DOING ANYTHING AT ALL. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MAY BE MOST OF US DO NOT REALIZE, HOW OLD YOU HAVE TO BE -- HOW OLD -- HOW YOUNG CAN YOU BE TO OPERATE A PERSONAL WATERCRAFT IN THE WATER? DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS? 14. 14 AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THE AVERAGE TYPICAL WATERCRAFT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CAN GET TO 65 MILES AN HOUR. IT CAN OPERATE IN THREE INCHES OF WATER. AND SO, YOU'RE DRIVING YOUR CAR AND SOMETHING JUMPS OUT IN FRONT OF YOU. WHAT YOU DO? YOU TAKE YOUR FOOT OFF THE GAS, HIT THE BREAK AND YOU TURN THE WHEEL.

IT'S NOT SO FOR PERSONAL WATERCRAFT. YOU DO NOT TAKE THE FOOT OFF THE GAS. THE ONLY WAY TO TURN THAT WATERCRAFT IS TO THROTTLE AWAY FROM DANGER. IT'S OPPOSITE THAN ANYTHING ELSE WE'VE EVER LEARN. THAT'S MY FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH AN ACCIDENT. WE WERE ON THE BEACH AND A GENTLEMAN, A YOUNG GENTLEMAN, 20 YEARS OLD WAS OUT RIDING AROUND AND WAS GOING TO SPLASH FOLKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND GOT CLOSE TO THE BEACH, PANICKED HIS WATERCRAFT ENDED UP ABOUT 25 FEET OF THE BEACH. IT DOES HAPPENED IS IT DIFFERENT SITUATION AND IS A WILL IS NOT ALWAYS CAN HAPPEN, BUT IT WILL HAPPEN. AND IF WE HAVE THESE THINGS IN EFFECT, WE ARE PROTECTING THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE THE FAMILIES THAT GO TO THE JC PARK AND IT IS A FAMILY PARK. WE HAVE PAVILIONS. WE HAVE KIDS PLAYGROUND. I TAKE MY GRANDSON. HE ABSOLUTELY LOVES IT. WE HAVE OPEN GREEN SPACES WHERE KIDS ARE PLAYING FOOTBALL OR PLAYING TAG AND ALL THAT TYPE STUFF LIKE THAT. FOLKS ARE THEY ARE BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THEIR FAMILY EXPERIENCE, THEIR PHONE AND WHATEVER ELSE. THE BOATS ARE IN ADDITION. AND I'M GLAD WE HAVE THE RAMPS THEY ARE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THE INTERACTION BETWEEN THESE PERSONAL WATERCRAFT AND THE FOLKS AT THE PARK WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR DO NOT NECESSARILY MATCH UP. AND I DID NOT KNOW THAT. I GOT ON THE LINE TODAY TO FIND OUT. I THOUGHT 16 TO 18 TO GET ON A PERSONAL WATERCRAFT. 14 YEARS OLD, THE STATE OF FLORIDA. GET ONE FOR CHRISTMAS HE TAKE IT OUT TO JC PARK AND LET HIM GO.

BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, IT'S MORE OF THE SAFETY AND. I'M MORE COMFORTABLE NOW KNOWING THAT THE 500 FEET IS THEY ARE AND THAT WE DO HAVE SOME LONG REGULATION THERE. PERSONALLY I WOULD HAVE LIKED IT MAY BE TWO OR 300, BUT.

>> IS NOT PERFECT. >> I CAN GET THAT SO I'D RATHER HAVE SOME TYPE OF REGULATION THAN NONE AT ALL.

>> MANNA MAYOR? >> YES, SIR.

>> WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT NOT HAVING REGULATION, WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DISTANCE, RIGHT? AND THE ONLY THING I'M LISTENING TO IS THE PUBLIC, WHEN THEY COME IN. WHEN THEY SPEAK BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT UTILIZE THIS PART.

IF YOU HAVE A 14-YEAR-OLD OUT THERE, YOU THINK HE'S GONNA BY THE LAW? NO. HE'S GONNA WANT

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TO BE DEFIANT. BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, QUITE SOME LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC FOR WE HAD LAST MEETING. THE PUBLIC SHOWED UP. AND I MEAN, THEY SHOWED OUT.

>> THEY INSIST ON HAVING SOME SAY ABOUT WHAT GOES ON.

>> YOU SAID 180 WOULD COVER THE RADIUS OF THE SWIMMING THE DESIGNATED SWIMMING AREA? 180 FEET WOULD CARRY WILL COVER THAT.

>> IT WOULD NOT COVER THE SWIMMING AREA. BY ORDINANCE THE SWIM AREAS HUNDRED 80 FEET.

>> IF I CAN INTERJECT? >> IF YOU GO TO JC PARK IS THE DESIGNATED SWIMMING AREA IS GREATER THAN 180 FEET. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT CAME ABOUT IT DOESN'T MATTER. THE ORDINANCE SAYS 180 FEET SHALL BE SWIM AREA. WE HAVE A DESIGNATED

300+ FEET IS SWIM AREA. >> THAT'S JUST WHAT HAS

HAPPENED. >> WHAT HAS HAPPENED. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY HE CHANGED. I DON'T THINK ANYONE KNOWS WHY AND THAT'S OKAY. I'M JUST SAYING THE ORDINANCE SAYS 180 FEET WHICH IS MIDWAY JC PARK FROM THE SIDEWALK IT TRAVERSES

THE MIDSPAN. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, TO FURTHER ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION, THE POINT THAT WE MADE EARLIER IS THAT THE STATES DESIGNATE BATHING BEACHES AS WELL AS SWIM AREA. FOR THE SAKE OF THIS DISCUSSION, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THEY PROTECT BATHING BEACHES THE SAME AS THEY DO SWIM AREAS AND THE OTHER DESIRE WAS THE SAILING USE CLUB AS WELL.

>> IT'S 300 FEET WELL WITHIN THE DESIGNATED SWIM AREA? 300 FEET?

>> RADIUS? >> THAT WOULD WIND UP IN THE

MIDDLE OF THE SWIM AREA. >> IS THERE ANYTHING TO PREVENT US FROM HAVING THE DESIGNATED SWIM AREA BUT FOR -- WELL, 300 FEET BUT FOR THE DESIGNATED SWIM AREA AS IT EXISTS TODAY? AS FOR ANYTHING?

>> MANNA MAYOR, COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, WITH THE DESIGNATION OF THE SWIM AREA THAT WOULD BE RIGHTS TO THE SWIM AREA SHOULD SOMEONE TAKE A WATERCRAFT IN THAT -- TO UNDERSTAND -- TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WITH THE 300 FOOT -- P300 FOOT, I BELIEVE, WOULD ENCOMPASS WHAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE FOR THE DESIGNATED SWIM AREA. IT WOULD NOT ENCOMPASS WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE. THE SWIM AREA THEY ARE BEING LARGER.

>> IT WOULDN'T. >> WOULD NOT.

>> NOT THE SWIM AREA THAT IS CURRENTLY A JC PARK.

>> OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT AREA IS?

>> AS IT TO DATE? >>.

>> ARE YOU TRYING TO SCALE LIKE.

>> TRYING TO. YES. >> YOU MAYBE CAN DO IT ON GOOGLE MAPS. THERE'S A MEASURING DISTANCE IN GOOGLE MAPS.

>> THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WOULD ENCOMPASS FROM THE BOAT RAMP OUT. WHAT IS EXTENDED BEYOND, WHICH WE DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE ADDITIONAL MARKERS GOT OUT THERE IN THE SWIM AREA GOT LARGER, I WOULD ASSUME IS PROBABLY 400 FEET OUT WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SCALE EXACTLY.

WELL, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. SO THE SWIM AREA HAS EXPANDED?

>> AT SOME TIME. YES, SIR. >> WHO DECIDED THAT, AT WHOSE

DISCRETION? >> I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE.

>> IT JUST HAPPENED (LAUGHING). >> 300 FEET, IS THAT REASONABLE

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IN TERMS OF DESIGNATED SWIM AREA NOW VERSUS WHAT IT IS?

>> DESIGNATED SWIM AREA, YES, SIR. THAT IS REASONABLE.

>> IT'S WHAT'S BEING USED IS THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S WHAT'S BEING USED AS A SWIM AREA NOW.

ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> THE MARKED AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 300 FEET OR BETTER. WHAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE IS JUST 180 EET.

>> RIGHT. BUCKS IS ABOUT 30 FEET AT THAT KAYAK LAUNCH AREA. LET'S MANNA MAYOR? I JUST SCALED GOOGLE MAPS AND IF YOU -- IF YOU ELIMINATE WHAT WE CALL THE KAYAK CANOE LAUNCH AREA WHICH IS DESIGNATED FOR NON-MOTORIZED LAUNCHING ON THE BEACH WHICH IS ADJACENT TO -- WHERE THE WORD BOAT IS ON THIS IMAGE. YOU GO FROM A POINT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT FROM THE TOP OF THE B UP TO THE MIDPOINT WHERE THE SIDEWALK TRAVERSES JC PARK IT'S 180 FEET WHICH MATCHES THE ORDINANCE. YOU GO TO THE END OF THE BEACH WHERE -- NOT QUITE IF IT PARALLELS OR LINES WITH THE TREASURE COAST SAILING THE GREEN ROOFED BUILDING IS 360 FEET. IT'S 360 FEET OF BEACH HOWEVER YOU SKIN THE CAT. IT'S A TERRIBLE TERM TO USE. (LAUGHING) I WON'T SAY

THAT ANYMORE. >> THAT'S JUST WHAT IT IS.

THIS IS WHAT IT IS. AND I GET IT. THE ORIGINAL -- I WAS THE NAYSAYER ON THE WHOLE THING. I AGREE WITH SAFETY PARAMETERS ON NOT NULLIFYING THAT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE COMPETING USES AND AM ONE OF THOSE. I'M ONE OF THOSE COMPETING USES. I LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND I STARTED READING INTO THAT MORE -- TO PROTECT BATHING AND SWIM AREAS FROM ALL WATERCRAFT AND NOT ALLOW IN THE NON- WATER LAUNCH AREAS. OKAY. OKAY. HOW DO YOU -- HOW DO YOU GET A BOAT -- IF I'M COMING TO PICK ME, I STILL QUESTION HOW I PARK MY BOAT? I'M NOT CAN USE THE BOAT RAMP. I CAN'T BECAUSE OUR PEOPLE PUTTING THEIR BOATS IN THE WATER. I CAN'T PARK THERE. IT'S A RULE OF THE BUSINESS IF I'M BRINGING -- YOU DON'T STAND IN THE WAY. GET OUT OF THE WAY. I GOTTA BRING MY BOAT IN. SO WHAT YOU DO? DO I SWIM 500 FEET TO GET TO THE BEACH?

>> NO, SIR. IT'S JUST 500 FEET AT ILC.

>> BUT THE ORDINANCE SAYS PROTECT THE BATHING AND SWIM AREA FROM ALL WATERCRAFT AND NOT ALLOW WATER ICED MODERATE -- MOTORCRAFT IN THE AREAS AND TREASURE CUES -- TREASURE COAST SAILING -- THERE'S A LOT OF VAGUENESS IN THERE. AND THERE'S A LOT OF USE AND I GET IT. I CAN COMPROMISE ON THE NO SPEED IDLE WEEK IS OVER 500 FEET I DON'T AGREE WITH.

BECAUSE IF YOU FALL OFF A JET SKI YOU'RE GOING 50 MILES AN HOUR, IT GOES PROBABLY 30 OR 40 OR 50 FEET BEFORE YOU HAVE TO SWIM TO IT BECAUSE YOU JUST FELL OFF. THERE'S A GUY WITH WATER SPORTS SHIRT ON HERE THAT CAN PROBABLY EDUCATE US EVEN MORE THAN ME BECAUSE I DON'T OWN A JET SKI. BUT I'VE FALLEN OFF OF THEM BEFORE. AS IT'S A CHALLENGE AND ONE THE PROCESS NOW, CORRECT. YOU JUST SAID WE ARE IN THE APPROVAL.

>> IT'S BEEN APPROVED WE JUST NEED TO SIGN AND SEND BACK.

>> OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO WITH IT. LEAVE IT AS IS AND TRY IT?

>> I'M FOR LEAVING IT AS IS AND TRYING IT.

>> SOLEIMANI. >> I'M NOT, BUT I NEED SOME DATA. IF THIS IS A DATA COLLECTION STAGE.

>> I'M NOT. >> LET'S COLLECT DATA.

>> AM NOT WILLING TO LEAVE IT AS IS.

>> LIKE LIKE TO HAVE IT RECONSIDERED TO SEE BECAUSE, JUST GOING OUT THERE 500 FEET IS UNREASONABLE. IN TERMS OF JET SKI ACTIVITY WITH AN AWAKENED THAT'S WHAT REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. WITH THE DESIGNATED SWIM AREA THE WAY IT IS, WE MAY NOT EVEN NEED TO CONSIDER NO WAKE JUST ENFORCE THE LAW AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED BECAUSE THERE IS A DESIGNATED SWIM AREA THAT CIRCUMFERENCE BY THE CONES.

AND WHAT I WAS MISLED BEFORE IS I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS STATUTORY THAT WE HAD TO HAVE A DESIGNATED 500 FEET, BUT FROM WHAT I'M HEARING NOW, THAT'S FOR US TO DECIDE IN TERMS OF THE ORDINANCE AND THERE'S NOTHING STATUTORY THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE 500 FEET. SO,

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THAT'S MY POSITION ON IT. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> FOR PAIN -- POINT OF CLARIFICATION YOU'RE REFERENCING NOT ALLOW MOTORIZED WATERCRAFT THAT WAS NOT INCORPORATED INTO THE CODE. SO WHILE THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL DISCUSS AND IS PART OF THE WHEREAS CLAUSE, IS NOT IN CODE. STRICTLY AND NO WAKE ZONE.

>> THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

>> YES. >> SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? COMMISSIONERS? WE ARE AT THE END OF THE PROCESS TO DO THIS AND I HEAR TWO OF US ARE SATISFIED WITH THE SAND THREE WANT MORE DATA; IS THAT RIGHT? OR WANT TO CLARIFICATION? WE

WANT TO DO FROM HERE? >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> YES. >> IF WE GET THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHAT IS OUT THERE NOW? WHAT WE HAVE? BUOYS? DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FLOATING OUT

THERE NOW. >> BUOYS.

>> WE HAVE BUOYS. OKAY. >> RIGHT.

>>. >> BUT WHAT ABOUT 500 FEET

OUTCOME IS THERE ANYTHING. >> WE HAVE NOT PLACED ANYTHING YET. WE WERE WAITING FOR THE PERMIT.

>> IS STILL GOING TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

>> YES. >> IT'LL BE OUR ONE AND ONLY SLOW SPEED SIGN THAT WE OWN IN THE WATERWAYS OF FORT PIERCE CITY LIMITS.

>> CURRENTLY. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET

DATA. >> I DO NOT WANT TO INSTALL ASSIGN COLLECT DATA AND SAY THAT DIDN'T WORK. WE GET A MOVIE 200 FEET OR TO THE 200 FOOT MARK. THAT'S I DON'T LIKE DOING THINGS TWICE.

>> WE WANT TO DO NOW? WHAT YOU WANT TO DO NOW?

>> (LAUGHING) I'M NOT ALLOWED TO ASK FOR A REVOTE, DISSENTING VOTE AND GET US ABOUT.

>> I THINK YOU CAN. >> MONOMERIC HE.

>> THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A REVOTE.

>> BUT MY POINT IS, THIS IS THE LAW. WE PASSED IT. IT HAD TWO READINGS AND IT'S PART OF OUR CODE. IT WOULD REQUIRE A NEW PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH TWO READINGS PROBABLY ADVERTISED TO CHANGE. THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE WAITING ON IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR WE DO LAND DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS TO GO TO THE STATE DOE AND THEY CAN DO AN OBJECTION THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT'S GOING ON NOW IF FWC AT SOME POINT -- WHICH THEY HAVEN'T -- THEY SAID IT'S DONE. SO ESSENTIALLY, IT'S DONE. IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN, WE START AT SQUARE ONE QUICK START

ALL OVER. >> I THINK YOU KNOW MY STANCE.

I WANT TO WINE. I'M NOT A WHINER.

>> AMAKA PUT YOU IN THE HOT SEAT AND SAY YOUR WHINER. YOU STATED YOUR POSITION. YOU STOOD BY IT. YOU AFFIRM DID YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAID. BUT NOT YOUR POSITION. AND I'M TAKING MY POSITION. I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO BE RECONSIDERED BY LAW ENTITLED TO

DO SO, CORRECT? >> AM I CORRECT?

>> YOU COULD -- NO. IT'S DONE.

>> -- I SUPPOSE YOU COULD INSTRUCT MR. MIMBS AND STAFF TO LOOK AT AN AMENDMENT AND START THAT PROCESS, BUT IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS WE REMEMBER READING AT THE NEXT REGULAR COMMISSION

MEETING. >> YES, SIR.

>> ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND? ONCE YOU HAVE -- IS THAT SOMETHING THAT TO OTHER PEOPLE ARE -- BECAUSE I'M NOT PART OF THAT WE CAN'T CALL THE ROLL CAN WE?

>> YOU LOOK AT CONSENSUS. YOU'RE ASKING FOR CONSENSUS.

>> FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONER SESSIONS WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS AND HAVE IT RECONSIDERED FROM A PREVIOUS DISCUSSION AT THE CITY COMMISSION LEVEL. THIS CAN HAPPEN IF IT IS PLACE FOR RECONSIDERATION VOTED TO DO SO. WHY ARE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEART -- YOUR HEAD YET?

>> IS NOT A RECONSIDERATION. IS THE LAW. IT WOULD BE A NEW ORDINANCE.

>> OKAY. SO WELL, WE JUST NEED TO PLACE IT ON THE COMMISSION AGENDA TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE.

IS THAT CORRECT. >> IT WOULD JUST BE AMENDMENT LIKE ANY OTHER AMENDMENT. IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS HAS A READING IN A SECOND READING.

SO THE POINT IS HOW DO SOMETHING GET ON THE AGENDA? IT'S EITHER PUT ON BY THE MAYOR OR A CONSENSUS I WAS LOOKING FOR THE CONSENSUS. I WANT THE RECORD TO SHOW THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING THIS OVER NOT BECAUSE THE MAYORS OF YOU TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF SHE HAS

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TWO OR THREE PEOPLE. >> WILL TODAY, YOU'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION BECAUSE THIS IS AN INFORMAL MEETING. HE CAN'T VOTE OR GIVE DIRECTION. BUT I BELIEVE, BASED UPON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED A CONSIDERATION OF AN AMENDMENT OF THE EXISTING ORDINANCE THAT ESTABLISHED A NO WAKE ZONE WOULD BE THE PROPER STEP MOVING FORWARD. SO, IF THAT IS -- EVERYBODY AGREE WITH WHAT MR. MIMBS SAID HE.

>> THAT'S HOW WE SHALL PROCEED? IS THERE ANYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH WHAT MR. MIMBS SAYS.

>> NO, MA'AM.. I HAVE A QUESTION AND A REQUEST. SO IF IT'S GONNA BE CONSIDERED OR TALKED ABOUT HER BROUGHT UP IN COMMISSION MEETING SO WE CAN MAKE ACTION TAKE ACTION.

>> YES. >> PLEASE ADVISE US TO THE EXACT ORDINANCE, THE NUMBER, IS LANGUAGE AND ALL THE DETAILS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD OR NOT TAKE ANY ACTION.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THE AMENDMENT WOULD RECALL THE SPECIFICS OF THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU SET INTO

PLACE. >> I JUST WANT TO BE -- EARLIER IT WAS A WHEREAS SECTION THAT SAID -- I WAS READING FROM THE WHEREAS SECTION LIKE MS. COX SAID. I WANT TO BE CONFUSING OR MAKE IT ANY MORE CONFUSING LET'S JUST HAVE THE ORDINANCE.

THERE'S SOMETHING TO BRING UP OR NEED CHANGE IT, AND THERE'S A CONSENSUS TO CHANGE IT, AND

SO HERE WE GO. >> LIKE I SAID, I WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT THAT. 500 FEET IS TOO FAR FOR A NO WAKE ON A JET SKI. AT THAT POINT YOU'RE JEOPARDIZING THE LIVES OF THE JET SKIERS TRYING TO PROTECT THE SAFETY OF THE SWIMMERS. WE ARE READY HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE SWIMMERS. SO AS A COMPROMISE, KEEPING THE SAFETY OF THE JET SKIERS AS WELL AS THE SWIMMERS, I THINK, SOMETHING I'M NOT GONNA GO ON RECORD TO SAY 250 -- CERTAINLY LESS THAN 500 FEET IS MORE THAN REASONABLE AND ANYTHING BEYOND THAT IS UNREASONABLE AFTER I WENT OUT LOOK AT THAT. FOR THE

RECORD I WANT TO SAY THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE SUBJECT? WE BEAT THIS TO DEATH. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SUBJECT (LAUGHING).

[e. Discussion of traffic calming strategies for controlling speeding on Indian River Drive.]

>> THE NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION ãSTRATEGIES FOR CONTROLLING SPEED ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE.

MR. MINSKY. >> YES, MA'AM. AS YOU KNOW, FOR DECADES, WE HAVE STRUGGLED WITH CONCERNS OF THE PUBLIC WITH REGARD TO SPEEDING ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE THIS BEAUTIFUL SCENIC HIGHWAY IS A -- IT'S A TOURIST ATTRACTION BUT IT'S A WAY TO WORK. SO IT IS DEFINITELY UTILIZED BY OUR -- A GREAT NUMBER OF FOLKS AND WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A SEPARATE PERSPECTIVE. WE HAVE OUR CITY ENGINEER AND OUR CHIEF OF POLICE. THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE TRAFFIC RECONFIGURATION PERSPECTIVE AND ALSO, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE. SO THEY ARE BOTH HERE TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE IMPLEMENTATION.

>> MR. ANDREWS? >> ANIMATOR, COMMISSIONERS, FIRST OFF, I WILL START BY -- THIS IS NOT A CITY ROAD. THIS IS A COUNTY ROAD. IT IS A COUNTY ROAD UP UNTIL CITRUS AVENUE. THESE SPEEDING PROBLEMS THAT -- YOU BEEN TO

THE SOUTH TO CITRUS. >> IT GOES FROM.

>> RIGHT. IT GOES FROM CELLS COUNTY TO CITRUS AVENUE. WHICH IS THE AREA THAT WE DO HAVE THE SPEEDING AND THE CONSTANT COMPLAINTS. BACK IN BACK IN FEBRUARY 2018, THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY WENT OUT AND THEY HAD A STUDY DONE FOR TRAFFIC CALMING ON THE SECTION ROADWAY. THEY DID AN EXTENSIVE STUDY. THE DID SPEED COUNTS. A VERY THOROUGH REPORT, I THOUGHT. IT DID SHOW THAT THE SPEEDS WERE HIGHER THAN WHAT IS POSTED. AND IF YOU GO TO THE TRAFFIC LINGO, IS THE 85TH PERCENTILE, WHICH MEANS 85 PERCENT OF THE DRIVERS TRAVEL AT THE SPEED.

THE SPEEDS WERE COMING IN AT 41, 42 AS OPPOSED TO THE 35 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE SPEEDERS THAT EXCEED THAT 85TH PERCENTILE BY A LOT. SO, IN THAT REPORT, THERE WAS A DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES OF TRAFFIC CALMING THAT WAS PROPOSED IN THERE. NONE OF THEM, TO DATE, HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED BY THE COUNTY.

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SOME OF THE ONES THAT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED QUICKLY WOULD BE THE RADAR SPEED SIGNS, WHICH ADVISES THE DRIVERS OF THEIR SPEED THAT THEY'RE GOING. SOMETIMES THERE EFFECTIVE, SOMETIMES OR NOT. SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET USED TO THEM. THERE WAS OF HER -- MEASURES THAT THEY ALSO PROPOSED TO ROUNDABOUTS THROUGHOUT THEIR.

>> CAN I STOP YOU FOR A MINUTE?

>> ARE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE IT IS A COUNTY ROAD WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING?

>> IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THEIR

PERMISSION. >> OR WE WOULD HAVE TO URGE

THEM TO DO SOMETHING? >> CORRECT.

>> I JUST WANT THAT AS A GROUND RULE. CONTINUE.

>> MAYOR BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, JAY, THAT ROAD -- HOW MANY TIME IS THAT ROAD FAIL WHEN I SAY

FILMING COLLAPSE? >> AS YOU REMEMBER, DURING THE HURRICANES, THERE WAS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE SECTIONS THAT DID A ROADWAY. THERE'S BEEN DIFFERENT -- OVER THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A FEW TIMES.

>> YES. AND WHEN YOU SAY PUT ROUNDABOUTS, YOU DON'T THINK THE ROUNDABOUTS WILL GO IN THE

WATER, FALL INTO THE WATER? >> WILL COMMISSIONER.

>> CORRODE. >> IN THAT CASE IT WOULD TAKE DONATIONS OF PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD. IT SURE WOULD NOT MOVE CLOSER TO THE

WATER. >> AND THESE ARE ALL SUGGESTIONS THEY ARE CONSIDERABLE EXPENSE, CONSIDERABLE DONATIONS BY PROPERTY OWNERS IN DIFFERENT THINGS. MAYOR, NO YOU RECEIVE DIFFERENT LETTERS AND A LOT OF THEM ARE TRUE. IT'S A ROAD THROUGH PEOPLE'S FRONT YARDS.

>> UH-UH (AFFIRMATIVE).. IT'S AN OLD ROAD.

>> A VERY OLD ROAD. I COME TO YOU IS YOUR CITY ENGINEER. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY REALLY NEEDS TO EXPAND A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE COUNTY TO DO SOMETHING TO MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS IN THIS REPORT AND TO -- THERE'S ALWAYS COMPLAINTS. THERE'S BEEN COMPLAINTS FOR YEARS.

>> YES, COMMISSIONER. >> JACK, DO WE HAVE ANY PROPERTY ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE? WHAT IS OUR STORMWATER OUTFALL WEARS OUR STORMWATER OUTFALL? I KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING THAT GOES TO THE RIVER.

>> YES. THERE'S AN AREA PROBABLY 300 FEET FROM SAVANNA ROAD WE DO HAVE LOTS THAT CONNECT TO THE RAILROAD TRACK AND GO TO THE RIVER.

>> IT'S NOT AN EASEMENT. >> @SAVANNAAND INDIAN RIVER

DRIVE. IT'S OUR OUTFALL. >> IT'S OUR OUTFALL FROM THE

INDIAN HILLS. >> THAT'S AN IDEA EVEN THOUGH IT'S A COUNTY ROAD. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN MAKE REQUESTS AND THE COUNTY DID A STUDY AND I'M SURE THEY TOOK INPUT FROM YOU.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMPLAINTS OVER THE YEARS. I THINK WE'LL RECEIVED AN EMAIL

THIS MORNING OR YESTERDAY. >> YES.

>> AND IF YOU WERE TO BRING ALL THE RESIDENTS IN HERE THEY PROBABLY WOULD SAY THE SAME THING. BECAUSE IS THE SAME COMPLAINTS WE'VE BEEN GETTING. AND I USE THE ROAD. WE'LL PROBABLY USE THAT ROAD IN SOME WAY XL OF THE ROAD. BUT IT DOES COME WITH HAZARDS. AND I THINK WHAT HAPPENED, TOO, LATELY IS PEOPLE USED IT AND GOT USED TO USING IT WHEN US1 ONE WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IT WAS A LOT EASIER TO GO TO JENSEN OURSELVES ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE THAN TO GO ON US1 ONE.

>> OR ITS PRETTIER BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO WORK AND YOU HAVE TO GO TO WORK ANYWAY.

SO IT'S NICE. >> (LAUGHING).

>> HAVE SOME PEACE ON THE WAY THERE.

>> YES. >> SO,

>> YES, SIR. >> WHAT IGOOGLE FROM THE DOWNTOWN AREA, TO PORT ST. LUCIE MIDWAY ROAD, IN THAT DIRECTION, RIGHT EAR.

>> YES. >> US ONE IS THE QUICKEST ROUTE. I KNEW MIDWAY ROAD. IT'LL GOOGLE YOU FROM MY OFFICE TO PORT ST. LUCIE INDIAN RIVER

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DRIVE. >> WELL THE STATE IS PROMOTING

IT AS A SCENIC HIGHWAY. >> YES.

>> IF YOU CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT OR SOMETHING CHANGES GOOGLE HAS AN ALGORITHM THAT CALCULATES THAT. MIGHT BOUNCE OVER IF IT WAS 25 MILES PER HOUR. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S MY

RECOMMENDATION. >> HAS EVER BEEN CONSIDERED?

JACK? 25 MILES AN HOUR? >> (LAUGHING).

>> I'M HEARING QUITE SOME HEARING LAUGHTER APPEAR.

>> (LAUGHING). >> I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE OR NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE -- WE HAVE DIFFICULTY FOR PEOPLE GOING 35 NOW.

>> RIGHT. THE PEOPLE GET FRUSTRATED AND THEN THEY PASS WHEN YOU'RE GOING SLOW.

>> AND THAT CAUSES ACCIDENTS. >> ANOTHER THING, THERE IS NO

PASSING. >> CORRECT. BUT THEY PASS

ANYWAY AND CREATE ACCIDENTS. >> YES.

>> SO, I MOVE TO INDIAN RIVER DRIVE IN 1986, I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 17 YEARS. WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. SAME IDENTICAL PROBLEM. NEIGHBORS -- WE GOT TOGETHER. WE WENT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. WE SAID WE NEED HELP. WE NEED SOME FORM OF TRAFFIC CALMING, SOME TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT. WE NEED TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN. THE WORST SIX ACCIDENTS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE DURING THOSE 17 YEARS. TWO PEOPLE GOT KILLED GOING OVER OR RUNNING UP INTO THE YARD OR WHATEVER. I'M SAYING IT HAPPEN. THAT'S JUST ONE PROPERTY. SO, AT THE TIME, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INVITED A COMMUNITY GROUP TO GO IN AND GET CERTIFIED ON RADAR DETECTORS. (LAUGHING).

>> AND I WAS IN THE GROUP. AND JUST TO TELL YOU HOW DYSFUNCTIONAL WE WERE, ONE WOULD HOLD THE RADAR DETECTOR IF SOMEBODY WAS COMING DOWN INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. YOU HAD TO HAVE A PARTNER THAT WOULD WRITE DOWN THE NUMBER AND THEN WE SENT THEM A NASTY NOTICE IN THE

MORNING. >> WHICH THE NEXT TIME THEY WENT BY, THEY WENT BY EVEN FASTER BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT WE WERE JUST A BUNCH OF NEIGHBORS JUST TRYING TO IDENTIFY. IF YOU DON'T PUT OBSTACLES -- PEOPLE WILL TAKE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE. AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE BUMPS IN THE ROAD AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IT JUST COULD BE A COUPLE HOURS THE DAY WE HAVE A STRONG POLICE PRESENCE IN AN AREA. A BATCH I COULD NAME -- OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, WHEN YOU ARE DESPERATE BEFORE YOU GET TO KINGS HIGHWAY, DO SLOWDOWN?

>> I DO. WHERE GOES DOWN TO 25 MILES AN HOUR? I DO.

>> WHY? BECAUSE I SEE A COP CAR THERE ALL THE TIME. THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER PLACES YOU GO OVER A ONE A INTO STEWART AT SCHOOLS POINT. YOU SLOW DOWN THERETO BECAUSE I ALWAYS SEE A COP CAR THEY ARE. THIS IS THE THING OF LEARNED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. IF YOU'RE ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE AND YOU KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A COP CAR THERE MAY BE DRIVETIME 7:30 AM TILL 8:30 AM AND THEN 430AT SCHOOLS POINT. YOU SLOW DOWN THERETO BECAUSE I ALWAYS SEE A COP CAR THEY ARE. THIS IS THE THING OF LEARNED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. IF YOU'RE ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE AND YOU KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A COP CAR THERE MAY BE DRIVETIME 7:30 AM TILL 8:30 AM AND THEN 4:30 PM TO 530AT SCHOOLS POINT. YOU SLOW DOWN THERETO BECAUSE I ALWAYS SEE A COP CAR THEY ARE. THIS IS THE THING OF LEARNED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. IF YOU'RE ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE AND YOU KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A COP CAR THERE MAY BE DRIVETIME 7:30 AM TILL 8:30 AM AND THEN 4:30 PM TO 5:30 PM EVERY NIGHT YOU'RE NOT GONNA SPEED THROUGH THEIR BECAUSE IT'S -- IT BECOMES A PATH WITH RESISTANCE IN IT. I'M NOT SO SURE I'M A BIG FAN OF TRAFFIC CALMING WITH BUMPS IN THE ROADS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I THINK

IT ADDS ITS OWN SET OF DANGERS. >> IT WORKED IT OCEAN BREEZE.

HAVE YOU BEEN TO OCEAN BREEZE LATELY?

>> I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY AND SPEAKING OF WHAT COMMISSIONER SESSION STATED GOOGLE DIRECTED ME ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE, RIGHT. I WAS GOING DOWN TO SCHOOL! IN SO I TOOK INDIAN RIVER DRIVE BUT BY THE TIME I GOT TO OCEAN BREEZE, I SLOWED DOWN WHY? IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAD SPEED TABLES. NOW BETWEEN OCEAN BREEZE AND FORT PIERCE, EVERYBODY IS JUST ROLLING. YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THE ROAD HAS GYPSY INTERNS, EVERYBODY'S GOING AT A PRETTY GOOD CLIP.

BUT AS SOON AS YOU GET TO OCEAN BREEZE, YOU SLOW DOWN BECAUSE OF THE SPEED TABLES. THIS IS MY OPINION. I KNOW I'M NOT THE CITY ENGINEER, JACK IS. BUT WITHOUT PHYSICAL IMPEDIMENTS IN THE ROAD, PEOPLE ARE -- YOU CAN HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT JUST DO

IRRESPONSIBLE THINGS. >> OCEAN BREEZE IS A SMALL PLACE. I THINK THEY HAD TWO OR THREE THOSE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND THEY HAD TO FIGHT WITH MARTIN COUNTY TO GET THOSE, MY UNDERSTANDING. SO, THIS IS A LONG STRETCH OF INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. I MEAN YOU COULD HAVE TRAFFIC CALMING -- YOU NOTE TO 20 INDIAN RIVER DRIVE IN THE NOT HAVE ANOTHER ONE UNTIL 2000, RIGHT? AND YOU COULD DO A LOT OF SPEEDING IN BETWEEN.

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SO. >> MATTER MAYOR?

>> YES. >> IF WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS, THEN WE -- THAT'S RECONFIGURING THE ROAD ITSELF. AND INDIAN RIVER DRIVE -- THEY DO NOT HAVE SEWAGE DOWN INDIAN RIVER DRIVE, DO THEY?

>> NO. >> KNOW THEY HAVE SEPTIC TANK.

>> WILL BE OPENING UP A CAN OF WORMS.

>> A LITERALLY. >> THAT WOULD HAVE TO ALL BE IN ENCOMPASSED, RIGHT? WEEKS YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT WITH ROUNDABOUTS, RIGHT.

>> RIGHT. " IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE OVER PROPERTY, AND WHAT ABOUT IF THEY DO COME WITH SEWAGE DOWN THE ROAD WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? THEY'RE GONNA REJECT THE ROAD UP AGAIN.

>> IF THE ROAD WAS RECONSTRUCTED WOULD ONLY MAKE SENSE BUT THE NECESSARY

INFRASTRUCTURE. >> THAT'S A COST.

>> YES. SO YOU MAY HAVE PEOPLE UP IN ARMS ABOUT THE COST THAT IS GOING TO -- THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCUR. WITH THE SAFETY OF THE ROAD. JUST A THOUGHT. BECAUSE WE CAN'T OVERLOOK THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> THANK YOU. IF YOU LOOKED AT THE REPORTS THAT WARNER PACKETS, THE CONSULTANT PROVIDED A NUMBER OF AREAS, JACK TALKED ABOUT THE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN SO I PULLED UP THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. IT'S A 20 AND -- 2600 BLOCK OF INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. IT'S ABOUT EIGHT RESIDENTIAL LOTS TO THE NORTH OF SAVANNA ROAD. IT'S A GREAT FISHING SPOT BY THE WAY IF ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW. BUT, THERE IS RIGHT-OF-WAY THERE BECAUSE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE OWNS THOSE PROPERTIES. THOSE WILL ALWAYS BE MAINTAINED BECAUSE WE HAVE A STORM WATER OUTFALL AT THAT LOCATION. BUT THE CONSULTANT PROVIDED DETAILS AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD BE MADE AT SAVANNA ROAD. WE HAVE THE PROPERTY ALONG WHAT I JUST STATED IN THE 2600 BLOCK. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE WAYS, LIKE THE STRIPING, THAT GIVES THE DRIVER THE APPEARANCE OF A TIGHTER SHOULDER AND A TIGHTER TRAVELING THAN WHAT IS ACTUAL AND THAT'S JUST BY MERE STRIPING OR THOSE HATCH MARKS I BELIEVE THOSE ARE -- IS THAT STILL IMPLEMENTED TODAY JACKIE.

>> YES. THAT'S RIGHT. IT NARROWS DOWN HOW EFFECTIVE THAT IS ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. WE ARE ALREADY NARROW AS IT IS. I THINK MORE SO YOU TALK ABOUT PAVEMENT, THE CENTERLINE, BUMPS, YOU KNOW, THERE INDICATORS THAT IT HELPS. THAT MAY BE ONE WAY OF LOOKING AT IT. HAVE THE CENTERLINE OR THE EDGE LINE TO MAKE THE DRIVER AWARE WHEN HIS DIVERGING.

>> SURE. AND -- I DON'T KNOW. IT DEFINITELY IS A PARTNERSHIP. IT'S LIKE THE OCEAN BREEZE MARTIN COUNTY THING. THEY HAD TO COURT MARTIN COUNTY TO HELP WITH THE SITUATION BECAUSE IT WAS THE SITUATION. OCEAN BREEZE WAS ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY AND/OR THE COUNTY AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHICH ONE IT WAS.

>> BUT WE CAN LOOK TO OUR PARTNERS, MAYBE TALK TO THEM AND ASKED THEM HOW THEY GOT IT DONE. IT IS A CONCERN. IT'S LIMITED IN RIGHT AWAY. YOU KNOW, IT -- THERE'S A LOT OF

ISSUES. >> HAVE YOU TALKED TO YOUR COUNTERPART AT THE COUNTY TO KNOW HOW CLOSE THEY ARE IMPLEMENTED -- IMPLEMENTING ANY

OF THEIR SAFETY MEASURES? >> YES. CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO PLANS TO IMPLEMENT ANY OF THESE. THEY ARE LOOKING AT DOING A STOP SIGN AT INDIAN RIVER DRIVE IN WALDEN ROAD. THAT -- -- A STOP SIGN, YOU MEAN LIKE IT WOULD BE AND

ALWAYS STOP A THREE WAY STOCKY. >> A THREE WAY STOP.

>> OKAY. >> AND MAYER, THAT MY NEW COMMITTEE OF A 1920S SCENIC HIGHWAY THAT WE DID DISCUSS PUTTING AROUND ABOUT THEIR BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE NO FUNDING THAT MEGAN REALLY, STAFF WAS NOT THAT PROMOTING -- IT WAS THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AT THAT POINT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REASONABLE PLACE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A CATCHALL. FOLKS ARE EITHER -- THAT'S THE BIG TURNOFF. IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN WALL ROAD TO PORT ST. LUCIE AREA WERE GOING ONTO JENSEN

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BEACH. >> MAYOR?

>> YES. >> THERE'S IDEAS LIKE SALERNO ROAD THEY HAD AN ISSUE BY THE COLLEGE. SO THEY MADE AN OVAL ABOUT. IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN DOWN THERE BY THE CAMPUS. AND THEY CREATED A STORMWATER FEATURE IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN EVERYONE ELSE, HE HAD TO BRANCH AROUND IT. AND IT SLOWS YOU DOWN NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, YOU HAVE TO SLOW DOWN TO NEGOTIATE THAT LITTLE OVAL ABOUT OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. AND I JUST SEE -- THERE AGAIN IT TAKES GRANT MONEY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY. IT TAKES FROM US IF GOING TO IMPROVE OUR STORMWATER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN OUTFALL AT A LOCATION THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BENEFIT. HOW DO WE GET THERE?

>> AND THE COUNTY DID NOT PUT IT ON THEIR LIST FOR THE SURTAX, RIGHT?

>> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. >> I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.

>> I THINK OUR LIST ONLY INCLUDED NORTH OF AVENUE A COMMON NORTH OF THE ROUNDABOUT.

>> YES. GREG SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> YES. >> IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE ARE

RESTRICTIVE ON THE RIGHT AWAY. >> WE ARE RESTRICTIVE. IN FACT, AND I SAT ON THE UTILITY BOARD, WE WANTED TO REPLACE THE WATER LINE ALL THE WAY UP AND WE COULD NOT GET RIGHT AWAY TO DO IT. SO WE DID PIPE BURSTING, WHICH WAS INTERESTING ANYWAY. BUT YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING A PIPE UNDERNEATH BPA PUBLIC SIDEWALK MAY BE HAVE EXTRA ROOM TO WORK WITH THE ROAD AS FAR AS THE SAFE SHOULDER. SOME TRAFFIC CALMING STUFF AND WE COULD NOT GET PUBLIC TO GO ALONG WITH THAT. SO REALLY YOUR RESTRICTIVE PRETTY MUCH WHERE THE ROAD ENDS IS WHERE YOUR RIGHT-OF-WAY ENDS. AND THERE'S

NOT A LOT TO WORK WITH. >> THAT'S GREAT.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT WE ASK FOR HERE BECAUSE MEANWHILE, WE ARE TRYING TO PROMOTE A BUSINESS AND TOURISM IN ALL ASPECTS TO TRY TO DRAW SOME POSITIVE ATTENTION. I READ A MEMO FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND IT INDICATED THAT INDIAN RIVER DRIVE WAS ONE OF THE MOST SCENIC ROADS IN ST.

LUCIE COUNTY. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WE DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE A LOT OF TIMES. SAFETY IS AT ISSUE BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, IT SERVES -- IT'S A VERY SCENIC WAY THAT GETS A LOT OF RECOGNITION FOR PEOPLE IN PORT ST. LUCIE. AND PEOPLE TRAVEL THAT ROAD FOR THAT REASON. BECAUSE OF THE BEAUTY AND THE WATERFRONT IN THE SCENIC AND THE TREES AND THE HOUSES ALONG THE DRIVE. SO JUST BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK

FOR. >> SO MR. ANDREWS, WHAT CAN WE DO AT THIS JUNCTURE TO HELP PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW THAT THIS IS -- THIS IS A SAFE ROAD IF EVERYBODY WENT THE SPEED LIMIT, RIGHT.

>> CORRECT. >> AND NOBODY PAST, RIGHT.

>> IF YOU OBEY THE EXISTING TRAFFIC LAWS ON IT, IT IS A SAFE ROAD. BUT THAT IS WHERE

WE HAVE THE DOWNFALL. >> RIGHT. RIGHT.

>> MY RECOMMENDATION IS -- I FEEL LIKE THE CITY NEEDS TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY AND KIND OF LET THEM KNOW OUR CONCERN AND SEE IF THEY COULD PUT THESE -- SOME OF THESE --

PUT THESE IN PRIORITY? >> PUT IT IN THE PRACTICE IN

THE WORKS FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. >> YES IT OLD FORT PARK. IT'S CLOSER TO THE CITY LIMITS OF FORT PIERCE. IT MIGHT NOT BE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM DOWNTOWN THE CITRUS AVENUE ROUNDABOUT TO REALLY CREATE A HUGE IMPACT OR BENEFIT TO SPEEDING, BUT WHO OWNS THE PARKS THERE WILL FORT PARK.

>> THE COUNTY. >> WHAT I WAS SEARCHING FOR I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FAR AWAY FROM CITRUS TO MAKE A BIG IMPACT.

BUT IF IT WERE MAYBE THERE IS GRANT OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ENTRANCE TO OLD FORT PARK WHICH ALL OF A SUDDEN INCORPORATES AN OVAL ABOUT OR SOMETHING.

>> AN OVAL ABOUT. TRAFFIC CALMING.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.

>> IT MIGHT NOT BE FAR ENOUGH AWAY. SO JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT WORKED, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD NOTED IS THERE'S AN AREA AT THE BEACH ON BENNY DRIVE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE PUT SIGNS OUT THAT SAY DRIVE LIKE YOUR CHILDREN PLAY HERE. AND THAT IS CERTAINLY A REMINDER TO PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN BECAUSE IT DOES

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MAKE YOU THINK. AND I HAVE NO IDEA OF THE LEGALITY OF THAT OR THE EFFECTIVENESS OF IT. BUT SOMETIMES, IF YOU ARE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE ARE ABUSING THE SPEED LIMIT AND THEY DO IT A LOT AND YOU DON'T HAVE 24 AND SEVEN POLICE THERE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, THAT

REMINDS PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN. >> MATTER MAYOR, I THINK ONE OF THE -- ONE OF THE WAYS TO HELP THIS IS IS THE RADAR SIGNS THAT FLASHERS SPEED THAT GO BY IF YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT IS DAYDREAMING AND IT GOES OVER THE SPEED LIMIT THESE MAKE YOU AWARE THAT YOU'RE GOING INXS THAT'S A FAIRLY ECONOMICAL WHEN YOU LOOK AT BETWEEN EIGHT AND 10,000 APPLICATION FOR THE INSTALLATION ON ONE SIDE BUT A LOT OF TIMES ARE EFFECTIVE.

>> CHIEF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE WITH US?

>> YES. I BROUGHT THE DEPUTY CHIEF WITH ME. BECAUSE WE ARE PUT ON TASK TO -- FOR SPEEDING WHEN IT COMES TO INDIAN RIVER DRIVE INTO SHOWCASE WHAT WE DID FOR 2018 AND 2019 THERE WERE 421 TRAFFIC STOPS HUNDRED 57 TRAFFIC CITATIONS AND IT SHOWS THEY WERE WRITTEN WARNINGS AND WE DO THAT BECAUSE WE ARE ABOUT EDUCATING THE DRIVERS BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT WE ARE GONNA WARN YOU PRIOR TO GIVEN THE TICKET BUT SOMETIMES, IF WE WARN THEM PREVIOUSLY WE DO PROVIDE CITATION ORDERS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE UTILIZED IN THE PAST IS OUR SIGNS. THIS ONE HERE IS A MOBILE SPEED ALERT. IT SHOWS THE SPEED LIMIT WHEN THEY PASS BY. BUT ALSO WE CHOSE THEIR ACTUAL SPEED WHEN THEY'RE PASSING. SO IT BECOMES -- IT BECOMES AN ALERT TO THE DRIVER. ALSO, IT WOULD GIVE WEIGHT TO WHAT WAS SAID PREVIOUSLY WAS OUR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THEY HAVE FOUND THAT THE AVERAGE SPEED ON THE MOTORIST WAS BETWEEN 40 AND 43 AND THAT'S WITH THEM USING RADAR.

TO ALTER FUTURE DRIVING BEHAVIOR, WE WENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF THINGS. BUT ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS SPEED REDUCTION MARKERS. AND I KNOW WE HAVE TO GET THE APPROVAL WITH THE COUNTY TO DO THIS, TO PUT MARKINGS IN THE STREET THAT SHOWS THE SPEED AS THEIR DRIVING ON THE WAVES. AND AS THEY ARE APPROACHING CURVES. IT'S TO SLOW THEM DOWN. WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS BLEED -- SPEED ALERT SIGNS BECAUSE IT SHOWS THEIR ACTUAL SPEED AND THE SPEED THAT THEIR TRAVELING. BUT ONE THING THAT WE THOUGHT OF WAS USING SIGNAGE TO TELL A STORY BECAUSE IT'S TRUE. INDIAN RIVER IS AN HISTORIC SITE AND TO PRESERVE IT WHILE DRIVING. AND WE TALKED ABOUT PROVIDING DETAILS OF INDIAN RIVER INCLUDING THE HISTORY AND ITS BEAUTIFUL SUNSETS. SO THAT WOULD SLOW THEM DOWN AND THEN GIVE THEM MORE ENJOYMENT OF THE SCENIC HIGHWAY THAT SAYING IF THIS IS A SCENIC HIGHWAY YOU NEED TO SLOW DOWN AND ENJOY IT.

>> AND SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE PUT THINGS TOGETHER. WE FOUND THERE WAS A LACK OF PICTURES WITH INDIAN RIVER ON IT BUT WE FELT THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS COLORFUL AND INVITING TO GRAB THE ATTENTION. AND EACH SIGN WILL HAVE SOMETHING ON IT LIKE SAVOR THESE PRECIOUS MOMENTS AS THEIR DRIVING. AND THEN IT WILL CONTINUE AND THEN IT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF THE BE ALERT SIGNS BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT THE AMBIENCE. CAN WE SAY THINGS LIKE FIELD PIECE OF THE DRIVE AND IT GIVES YOU TIMES TO INHALE AND ENJOY THIS JOURNEY.

>> I DON'T MEAN TO STOP YOU BUT WHAT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL THAT ARE TRAVELING BACK AND FORTH TO WORK? THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO OBSERVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN TRYING TO NOT BE LATE TO WORK.

>> WELL, SIR, THIS IS THE WHOLE THING. I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE -- THEY ARE FOCUS DRIVEN. THEY'RE TRYING TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B. AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF INITIATIVES WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC. WE HAVE TO TRY NEW THINGS TO TRY TO GET THEM TO SLOW DOWN AND THIS IS PART OF THE NEW. I'M THINKING THAT ALTHOUGH THEY MIGHT BE FIXATED, IF THEY SEE THE SIGNS OR JUST REMIND THEM OUR CHILDREN LIVE HERE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT IT MIGHT SLOW THEM. OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AND TRYING.

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>> ALL GO ALONG WITH THAT. I KNOW INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE TRYING TO GET OFF OF WORK, TRYING TO MAKE IT TO FORT PIERCE. THAT'S THE SPEED ZONE. AND WHATEVER WE CAN COME UP WITH, TO SLOW THEIR SPEED, I'M BEHIND IT 100 PERCENT, BUT I KNOW YOU STILL HAVE -- AND WHAT IS ANYTHING IN THE WAY, BUT YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T CARE.

>> YES, SIR. AND WE WILL HAVE THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND PROBABLY THAT'S WHAT'S THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE RECEIVING THE CITATION BECAUSE OF THAT. BUT THE POINT IS, AS WE HAVE THE ISSUE WITH INDIAN RIVER, WE HAVE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE COMPLETING OF TRAFFIC ISSUES.

WE CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME. SO WE HAVE TO USED TECHNIQUES IN ASSISTING YOUR PUBLIC AS WELL AS NOTIFYING AND EDUCATING THE DRIVERS.

>> AND DO KNOW COMMISSIONER, ARE THEY GOING TO PUT SIGNS UP ON THE SCENIC HIGHWAY.

>> ARE YOU THE SCENIC HIGHWAY GUY.

>> I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER (LAUGHING).

>> THEY'RE GOING TO PUT SIGNS UP?

>> OKAY. SO THAT SPEAKS TO THAT, TOO. IT'S IRONIC IN A WAY. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST FOCAL POINTS OF OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY. WE ARE PUTTING SIGNS UP ALL OVER THE PLACE.

I'M GOING TO BE REALLY WANT TO DO THAT?

>> THE VIEWS ARE UNBELIEVABLE. BUT IF YOU HAVE SIGNS EVEN THE LIGHTED SIGNS, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHERE YOU PUT THOSE BECAUSE THAT GLARING RED ALL THE TIME ENDS UP SHINING IN THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND THROUGH THEIR WINDOWS. AND SO IT'S A SENSITIVE AREA. AND IF WERE GOING TO DO STUFF LIKE THIS WE NEED TO TAKE OUR TIME AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE STRATEGICALLY IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO ENCUMBER THOSE VIEWS THAT WE PROMOTE.

>> RIGHT. BUT I -- BUT IS A SCENIC HIGHWAY AND YOU NEED TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT IT IS.

>> BECAUSE WHEN I DROVE IT IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY I ONLY SAW ONE SIGN THAT IDENTIFIED IT AS A SCENIC HIGHWAY. AND I WENT FROM FORT PIERCE TO JENSEN BEACH. AND SO

WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THINGS. >> RIGHT.

>> OUR CTY LIMITS ONLY GOES DOWN TO ALMOST REAL VISTA. THERE'S ONE ROAD IN THAT AREA

IF I'M NOT MISTAKING. >> HE GOES TO EDDIE BAX HOUSE.

>> 3100. >> NEXT TO HIM, NEXT TO HIM THEY ARE NOT IN THE CITY AND YOU MIGHT PICK UP ANOTHER PARCEL OR TWO BUT HE WAS ON THE TERMINUS AND OF THE CONTIGUOUS FORT PIERCE FOR A LONG PERIOD.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO FAR NORTH.

>> THAT'S OKAY. BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LITTLE STREET DOWN THERE THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE RIO VISTA. YES. THAT'S MIDWAY BETWEEN SAVANNAH AND MIDWAY. IT'S WHERE OUR STREETLIGHT

STOPS. WE HAVE STREETLIGHTS. >> OUR ACTUAL STREETLIGHTS OUR

OVERHEAD STREETLIGHTS. >> THAT'S HOW I WILL REMEMBER.

I AGREE. YOU HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE LIGHTING, FLASHING LIGHTS AND OTHER IDENTIFIER WAS OLEANDER AVENUE NORTH OF KINNAMAN ROAD SOUTH OF MIDWAY ROAD. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE IS A CONNECTOR TO GET OFF U.S. ONE. AND I THINK THE COUNTY PUT IN THE SOLAR -- THIS

IS YOUR SPEED. >> OH REALLY.

>> YES. THERE WAS A PICTURE OF IT THEY ARE. THIS IS YOUR CURRENT SPEED I THINK IT'S SOLAR POWER. THAT MAKES SENSE. THE TECHNOLOGY IS OUT THERE.

>> MATTER MAYOR. >> YES, SIR.?

>> MAYBE WHEN YOU GET ALL THE LIGHTS COORDINATED LIKE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, PEOPLE WILL

STAY OFF THE OTHER ROADWAYS. >> (LAUGHING) OH, MAYBE. WAIT

FOR IT, I THINK. (LAUGHING). >> I KNOW.

>> WISHFUL THINKING NEVER HEARD.

>> ITS WORK IN PROGRESS AND WE JUST CONTINUE.

>> IF WE DO THIS KIND OF INVITING SIGNS I GUESS WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY? WOULD WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT? ON THE COUNTY ROAD? YES. SO, BUT I THINK -- LIKE

TO PUT IN WRITING. >> I THINK THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, HATE THAT PHRASE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WERE DOING. IT'S A GOOD IDEA. WE SHOULD SHARE IT

WITH THEM. >> MATTER MAYOR?

>> YES, SIR.? >> CHIEF, IS THE SHERIFF'S

DEPARTMENT PRESENT OUT THERE? >> YES, SIR. THEY ARE. THEY ARE GETTING THE SAME COMPLAINTS AS WE ARE.

>> WERE THEY INCLUDED IN THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SHOWED US?

>> NOYAK. THESE WERE JUST -- >> THEY HAVE THEIR OWN.

>> ISSUES. SO WOW. >> AND THEY PUT -- THEY DID IT AS WELL AS WE REPLACED CARDS OUT MEANING CARS THAT ARE NOT MANNED BY OFFICERS, BUT JUST THEY ARE JUST TO -- TO HAVE THAT EFFECT. A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS HAVE ALLOWED US TO

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USE THEIR PROPERTY TO BE OBSERVANT OF THE SPEED AND THE TRAVEL AND TO UTILIZE THEM.

THEY ARE TRYING AND SO ARE WE. >> OKAY.

>> FULLY APPRECIATED. I KNOW YOU CHIEF, AND JACKIE WANT PEOPLE TO BE SAFE AND ESPECIALLY ON THIS ROAD. SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.

>> MATTER MAYOR, BUT I WILL DO I WILL GENERATE A LETTER TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

IDENTIFYING THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE CITY ENGINEER AND ALSO THE PRESENTATION BY OUR POLICE CHIEF AND I'LL MAKE THEM AWARE OF OUR CONCERNS AND HOPEFULLY

[f. Indian Hills Golf Course Financial Stability Plan and update.]

WE CAN BEGIN WORKING TOGETHER TOWARD A SOLUTION.

>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. MOVING ON.

>> NEXT WE HAVE THE INDIAN HILLS GOLF COURSE FINANCIAL STABILITY PLAN AND UPDATE.

>> MR. MIMBS? >> DID HE IS HERE. OUR GOLF COURSE DIRECTOR. AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH REGARD TO THE FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY OF THE GOLF COURSE. THIS AMENITY HAS BEEN -- HAS BEEN PART OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS AND RECENTLY, WE TOOK OVER THE GOLF COURSE I WOULD SAY -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO. BUT BRINGING DANNY ON HAS CHANGED THE DYNAMIC. I BELIEVE THERE IS EXCITEMENT SURROUNDING THE GOLF COURSE BUT NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT A FINANCIAL BURDEN. SO DANNY IS HERE TO TELL US HOW HE'S GOING TO TURN THIS THING AROUND AND

MAKE US ALL HAPPY. >> GOOD MORNING. SO WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE BEFORE I GET INTO THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN. JUST ON SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO -- A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF. WE ARE THE HOST SITE FOR THE TREASURE COAST SO WE HOST 600 CHILDREN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FROM THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB PAY CENTER FOR GIRLS IN THE PAL PROGRAMS WE HAVE DONATED 250 SETS OF GOLF CLUBS BAGS AND SHOES TO THE FIRST TEAM WE PROVIDED $0.30 OF GOLF CLUBS FOR CHILDREN AT NO COST THAT ATTEND OUR CAMPS AND CLINICS. WE ARE THE ONLY FACILITY THAT DO NOT CHARGE CHILDREN TO PLAY. IF CHILDREN ARE UNDER THE DRIVING AGE WE DON'T CHARGE THEM AT ALL. AND WE ARE THE ONLY FACILITY IN THE AREA INCLUDING PGA THAT DOES NOT CHARGE IT'S A NICE LITTLE LOSS FOR OUR PARENTS AND CHILDREN. SO WE ARE THE HOST SITE.

>> ONE SECOND. >> I SEE YOUR COMMUNITY EFFORT.

BUT DID I NOT HEAR YOU AT ONE TIME SO YOU VISIT SCHOOLS?

>> WE DO. WE'VE DONE SOME OUTREACH PROGRAM.

>> OKAY. I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THEIR.

>> WE ARE THE HOST SITE FOR FORT PIERCE CENTRAL HOSTING ALL OF THEIR MATCHES AND THE OTHER SCHOOLS IN THE AREA THAT THEY COMPETE AGAINST. WE POSTED -- IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WE POSTED FOR COLLEGE TEAMS ON VACATION. IT'S BEEN GOOD PR FOR US THIS YEAR IN MARCH WE HAVE SAINT JOE'S COMING DOWN. TO PLAY OUR FACILITY FOR A FEW DAYS. SO IT'S BEEN GOOD PR FOR US FROM THAT STANDPOINT. WE'VE DONATED SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS IN CASH AND SEVERAL HUNDRED POUNDS OF FOOD THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND AS WELL AS -- I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY BAGS OF CLOTHING AND SHOES TO SOME OF THE LOCAL OUTREACH PROGRAMS AND ORGANIZATIONS IN THE AREA OF THE CHURCHES. FOR THEY ARE -- LET'S SEE YOU KNOW IN OUR FACILITY, RESIDENTS CANNOT JOY OR HOURS -- I CALL A RECREATIONAL HERO SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ENJOYABLE. BUT RESIDENTS CAN ENJOY FOUR HOURS OF RECREATION FOR AS LITTLE AS $12.06 MONTHS A YEAR. WE HAVE A PRETTY INEXPENSIVE MEMBERSHIP THAT THEY CAN PARTAKE IN. IT RUNS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND WITHOUT MEMBERSHIP THEY CAN PLAY GOLF AT OUR FACILITY FOR AS LITTLE AS $12 FOR HALF THE YEAR. IT'S VERY AFFORDABLE. SO, OUR ROAD TO BEING FINANCIALLY STABLE, IT HAS BEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE AND ALWAYS WILL BE PROVIDING A WARM, FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL TYPES OF PLAYERS AND BACKGROUNDS. THAT BEING SAID WE HAVE REGAINED OUR GROUPS THAT HAVE LEFT OVER THE YEARS GOLDEN PONDS KING -- JUST TO NAME A FEW. THEY'RE ALL BACK NOW BECAUSE OF THE IMPROVED COURSE CONDITION. AND HOW MUCH THEY LIKE THE FACILITY. SO

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SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE CHANGING GOING FORWARD WERE GOING TO MONITOR OUR ADVERTISING AND HOW WE SPEND OUR DOLLARS. ONE EXAMPLE WE'VE HAD A RADIO CAMPAIGN FOR NUMBER OF YEARS AND NOT FOCUSED ON ONE STATION. AND WE REALLY KNOW -- THERE'S NO WAY TO QUANTIFY HOW HER RETURN WAS SO WE CHANGED IT. WE'VE TAKEN THOSE ADVERTISING DOLLARS AND WE'VE GONE OUT INTO THE LIVING MAGAZINES WHICH IS FORT PIERCE LIVING TRADITIONAL LIVING LIKE A COUPON TYPE MAGAZINE AND THAT HITS IN EXCESS OF 110,000 HOUSEHOLDS FROM SEBASTIAN TO TRADITION AND THOSE COUPONS ARE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OFF OR DIFFERENT THINGS FOR THE DRIVING RANGE SO WE CAN CHANGE ON THE FLY AND QUANTIFY HOW MUCH OF THOSE COUPONS ARE COMING BACK AS OPPOSED TO HAVING NO IDEA WHAT OUR RADIO CAMPAIGNS ARE GENERATING, IF ANYTHING. WE CHANGED OUR TEMPORARY STAFFING. WE REDUCE THAT FROM A HUGE NUMBER. THAT WAS A LOT OF OVERLAP IN OUR STAFF OUTSIDE AND IN THE GOLF SHOPS. WE REDUCED A LOT OF THAT PAYROLL. FROM A GOLF COURSE STANDPOINT WE'VE PARTNERED WITH IDM TO DO THE MAINTENANCE AND THEY HAVE GONE OVER AND ABOVE SINCE WE STARTED WITH THOSE GUYS. WE HAVE ELIMINATED IN EXCESS OF 150 TREE STUMPS THAT WERE DOWN FROM SEVERAL YEARS JUST TO MAKE THE GOLF COURSE CLEANER, SAFER AND MORE ATTRACTIVE NOW WITH THE NATION OF OHIO BEING ADDRESSED JUST WHEN YOU FIRST LOOK AT OUR FACILITY NOW TO BE CLEANER AND NEATER FROM START TO FINISH I THINK HAS BEEN A BIG THING FOR US. WE IN HOUSE HAVE REPAIRED SEVERAL PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT HAVE BEEN DOWN FOR NUMBER OF YEARS. WE HAD A LEFT IN THE MAINTENANCE BARN TO WORK ON EQUIPMENT. THAT HAVE BEEN DONE WE FIX THAT. WE HAD A PURGATION UNIT THAT WAS INSTALLED YEARS AND YEARS AGO I GM FIX THAT. SO WE ARE TRYING TO DO A LOT OF THINGS IN-HOUSE TO NOT ADD ANY BIG NUMBERS TO OUR EXPENSE LINE. SO WE HAVE PAINTED SEVERAL OF THESE STRUCTURES DOWN BY THE DRIVING RANGE FACILITY. WE PRESSURE WASHED AND PAINTED THOSE STRUCTURES TO PROVIDE A NEATER, CLEANER MORE CONCISE LOOK.

WE INSTALLED NEW PRESSURE WASH THE GOLF SHOP. WERE GOING TO PAY THE EXTERIOR OF THE GOLF SHOP. WE WILL DO THAT IN-HOUSE. OUR GOLF CARTS ARE PRESSURE WASHED AND MAINTAINED ON A REGULAR BASIS WHERE THE PREVIOUS FLEET HAD NEVER HAD THE OIL CHANGE. NOW THERE BEING PRESSURE WASHED AND MAINTAINED ON A REGULAR BASIS. THE BIGGEST THING FOR US HAS BEEN OUR ONLY COMMODITY IS THE GOLF COURSE. OUR BIGGEST THING HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET THE TURFGRASS HEALTHY. WHICH SOME OF THE PRACTICE HAD NOT BEEN DONE IN A WHILE. OUR BIGGEST THING WAS GETTING THE TURFGRASS HEALTHY AGAIN. OUR BEST EXAMPLE WAS THE 12TH HOLE. IT HAS A BIG TREE IN FRONT OF THE GREEN THE BIG OAK, ECSTATICALLY COMMENT LOOKED OKAY BUT IT WAS PROBABLY 80 PERCENT WHEAT WE STARTED THERE. SO NOW IT HAS FLIP-FLOPPED. IT'S ALL BERMUDA, BUT IT TAKES TIME. WHEN YOU SPRAY, YOU HAVE THIN SPOTS AND BARE AREAS AND NOW ALL OF THOSE ARE BEING RECTIFIED OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO SO ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS THE GOLF COURSE HAS IMPROVED FROM A HEALTH STANDPOINT.

>> OUR PRIORITY HAS REALLY BEEN IN SHORT TERM IT NEEDS TO BE TO INCREASE OUR AVERAGE DOLLAR PER ROUND AND TO INCREASE OUR TOTAL ROUNDS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. I'LL SHOW YOU HOW WE'VE DONE THAT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. SO THE BIGGEST THING IS WE FINALLY HAVE A SALABLE PRODUCT THAT WE CAN MARKET THAT WE CAN GET SPONSORSHIP MONEY FOR AND WE HAVE PEOPLE BEHIND US AND WITH THE GOLF COURSE CONDITION IMPROVING, THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR BEST PAYOFF GOING FORWARD.

SO WE ARE SHORT-TERM WE ARE BETTER MAXIMIZING TO MAXIMIZE PLAY WHILE STILL MAKING SURE THAT OUR PACE OF PLAY IS BETTER THAN FOUR HOURS. LUCKILY ENOUGH WE NEVER HAVE ANY CARD RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE WE ARE ON SUGAR SAND. WE NEVER HAVE THAT ISSUE WHERE SOME GOLF COURSES, THAT'S A BIG HINDRANCE. YOU KNOW YEARS AGO GOLF COURSES WERE DRENCHED THEY WERE PUT

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MATERIAL ON THE FAIRWAYS AND THEN THEY WOULD SHAPE THAT AND IT'S BASICALLY LIKE A PLASTIC BAG UNDERGROUND. THOSE GOLF COURSES HAVE ISSUES WHEN WE GET INTO THE SUMMER MONTHS OR EVEN DECEMBER WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF RAIN.

>> SO I THINK LASTLY, WE PROVIDE A MUCH FRIENDLIER ENVIRONMENT THAT A LOT OF OUR COMPETITORS. NOT TO KNOCK ANYBODY BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DO BEST IS PROVIDE A FUN, WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT BETTER THAN A LOT OF FACILITIES IN THE AREA.

SO GOING BACK I HAVE HISTORICAL NUMBERS. YOU CAN SEE HOW WE PROGRESSED THE LAST FEW YEARS GOING FROM UNDER 37,000 ROUNDS BEFORE I STARTED LAST YEAR 42. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE BOTTOM OF THAT SLIDE IS 2019 20 WHERE WE ARE THROUGH JANUARY OVER LAST YEAR THE SAME STRETCH. WE ARE UP ALMOST 1200 ROUNDS OVER LAST YEAR. WE ARE ALL IN GOLF REVENUE $47,000 THROUGH JANUARY WERE UP IN TOTAL REVENUE $56,000. WE ARE GOING THE RIGHT WAY IT'S A MATTER OF BALANCING OUR EXPENSES AND GETTING THINGS BACK IN LINE. AND I WOULD SAY OPTIMUM, WE WOULD BE 44, 45,000 ROUNDS THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US WHAT WE COULD PROVIDE AN ADEQUATE PACE OF PLAY AND STILL MAKE THE APPROPRIATE REVENUE FOR US. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? EVERYBODY GO WITH THAT SO FAR.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> GOOD. SO, THE FINAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE IS A YEAR AND AND A HALF AGO COMMISSIONER SESSIONS ASKED ME ABOUT A BUILDING. SO I TOLD HIM AT THAT POINT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COULD WALK BEFORE WE COULD RUN. AND I THINK ALL THINGS CONSIDERED AND LOOKING WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE WILL BE GOING, I AGREE HUNDRED PERCENT WE NEED A BUILDING BUT FOR US TO BUILD A $2 MILLION CLUBHOUSE IS OUT OF THE QUESTION. WE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO FLOAT THAT BOAT. SO, I'M LOOKING TO HAVE THE -- I SAID TO MR. MIMBS THE BIGGEST SHE SHED ON THE TREASURE COAST.

>> (LAUGHING). >> SO, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT -- DURING THE DAY, DURING A ROUND OF GOLF, IF WE HAD FOUR PEOPLE PLAYING GOLF AND THEY GOT HOT DOGS AND BEERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT PART WE DO WELL. WE ARE OKAY DURING AROUND. THE PLACE THAT WE SUFFER IS IN OUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT OUTINGS IN ANY POST ROUND REVENUE BECAUSE AFTER THE ROUND, HAPPIER WHEN IT'S WARM YOU WANT TO SIT OUT ON THE SCREENED IN PORCH ONE IS 90 DEGREES. THAT HAS BEEN A BARRIER. SO IN LOOKING AT SOME ITEMS, I THINK PROBABLY THE BEST WAY FORWARD -- I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE LAST SLIDE IN DON'T HOLD IT AGAINST ME. I'M NOT IMPLANTING IT'S A ROUGH SKETCH. BUT, SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF A MODULAR TYPE BUILDING ALMOST WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN THE BACK AND IT WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO GOING FORWARD IS MAYBE GET MORE CONCRETE NUMBERS TOGETHER AND I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I'VE SEEN INITIALLY. A SMALLER STRUCTURE VERSUS A FULL-BLOWN CLUBHOUSE WOULD WE BE ABLE TO KEEP OUR STAFFING DOWN IN OUR UTILITIES DOWN BUT PROVIDE AN AREA WHERE WE COULD HOUSE AN OUTING HUNDRED 20 PEOPLE COULD COME IN. WE COULD MAKE ADDITIONAL REVENUE. IT WOULD OPEN US UP TO PARTIES AND FUNCTIONS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. I THINK WITH OUR ABILITY, IF WE COULD ADD A CLUBHOUSE FACILITY, YOU KNOW, NOW WE HAVE THE LOCATION FAR SUPERIOR OVER ANYBODY IN THE AREA. WE ARE CLOSER TO THE CITY THEN MATTER WOULD FAIRWINDS. OUR LOCATION IS PREMIER. THE FACT THAT WE ARE NEVER CLOSED BECAUSE OF COURSE CONDITIONS BECAUSE OF RAIN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS ALSO HUGE FOR US. YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WOULD FREE US UP TO PARTIES AND FUNCTIONS AS THE RIVERWALK IS THERE AVAILABILITY DECREASES. THEIR INVENTORY IS LIMITED FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND ESPECIALLY ON SATURDAYS WHERE THEY ARE FULL. IT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS. I KNOW WERE NOT ON THE RIVER, BUT THERE ARE WEDDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ATTRACT. I KNOW OF SEVERAL OUTINGS WE WOULD ATTRACT GOING FORWARD. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE HUNDRED 20 GUESTS. HAVE A LITTLE BITE TO EAT. IT WOULD

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BE A GOOD PLUS FOR US AND IT WOULD A REVENUE ITEM THAT WERE NOT GRABBING IT ALL GOING FORWARD. FROM A MEN MENU STANDPOINTS I WANT TO BE A GOOD HOT DOG AND BEER CLUB. WERE NOT GOING TO DO FILLETS. WERE NOT GOING TO DO DINNERS.

>> EXACTLY. >> SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

THIS IS ROUGH. YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN THIS IS OUR CURRENT STRUCTURE HERE. THAT'S A CURRENT GOLF SHOT. THIS IS OUR CURRENT PATIO, COVERED PATIO. AND THIS FACILITY IS OUR LITTLE LUNCHBOX AREA. SO NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. THE LUNCHBOX WOULD COME OUT. THERE BE A FIVE OR SIX BREEZEWAY HERE, JUST A LITTLE WALK. BASICALLY LIKE A TRIPLE MODULAR STRUCTURE ALMOST LIKE -- IT WOULD BE A CLUBHOUSE THAT HAS BEEN -- A COUPLE OPTIONS FOR US FROM A PRICING STANDPOINT. IT WOULD BE A TRIPLE STRUCTURE HERE. IT WOULD BE MEN'S AND WOMEN'S RESTROOMS. THERE WOULD BE AN OFFICE, STORAGE KITCHEN AND BAR AREA AND ROOM FOR ROUGHLY 12, 10 TOPS INSIDE THERE. YOU KNOW IN LOOKING AT PRICING, JUST IN THE EARLY STAGES, THERE ARE OPTIONS FROM A PURCHASE STANDPOINT. WERE LOOKING AT ABOUT $200,000. SO MUCH LESS THAT A $2 MILLION BUILDING. FROM A LEASING STANDPOINT THERE IS THAT OPTION. AND THAT WAS RUN -- BOARD TENURE LEISURE RUNNING ABOUT 1750 A MONTH. SO, IT'S A -- ONCE INSTALLED, I THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EASILY COVER FROM AN EXPENSE STANDPOINT FROM 1750 PER MONTH. I'D LIKE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON IT AND PROVIDE YOU WITH CONCRETE NUMBERS AND OPTIONS. AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT GOING FORWARD.

>> MR. SESSIONS? >> I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU, DAN FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. I THINK IT CHANGE THE GROUNDS AND WHILE I DON'T PLAY GOLF, I JUST RIDE AROUND WITH THE GOLF CLUBS AND PRETEND TO. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO AND THEY HAVE NOTHING BUT POSITIVE THINGS TO SAY AND I POSE THAT SAME QUESTION TO THEM. I SAID WHAT ARE WE LACKING? AND THEY TELL ME A CLUBHOUSE, ALONG WITH RESTAURANT AND A FULL PLEDGE BAR. BECAUSE WE ARE MISSING OFF ON A LOT OF CHARITIES AND TOURNAMENTS BECAUSE THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT BRING IN THE MONEY AND THE BULK OF THE MONEY IS MADE ON A GOLF COURSE WITH LIQUOR AND BOOZE AND FOOD. SO, IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND IF YOU'RE TELLING US THAT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD TO TAKE THIS PLACE TO ANOTHER LEVEL THAT WE HIRED YOU TO DO, IN THE ABSENCE OF DOING IT I SAY THAT NOT SO MUCH TO YOU BUT TO THE COMMISSION IF WERE GOING TO TAKE THE GOLF COURSE MORE SERIOUS, AND OBTAIN MORE REVENUE, THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THE MONEY INTO IT BECAUSE YOU'VE PRETTY MUCH HAVE DONE ALL YOU CAN DO IN TERMS OF CHANGING THE GROUNDS. EVERYBODY IS PLEASED WITH THAT, BUT WERE NOT GONNA MAKE THE KIND OF MONEY WE ARE EXPECTING UNLESS WE MAKE THAT INVESTMENT. SO YOU'VE GIVEN US OPTIONS THAT I HADN'T EVEN CONSIDERED THAT IS LEASING THE BUILDING OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS COMMISSION TO TAKE SERIOUS EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE IF WERE GOING TO IMPROVE IT AND MAKE MONEY, THAT WERE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SO.

>> MR. JOHNSON AND THE COMMISSIONER FROM?

>> I AGREE. I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION YOU BRING ABOARD. I APPRECIATE THE DRIVE TO DO SOMETHING BETTER AND TO MAKE IT SOMETHING ATTAINABLE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED TO DO AND YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB THANK YOU FOR THAT. A COUPLE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSIONS AGO, I BROUGHT FORWARD THE IDEA OF A MIXED USE FACILITY WHAT I HAD CALLED EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. IT STILL ON OUR STRATEGIC PLAN BECAUSE WE OBJECT FORETHOUGHT AND MOMENTUM INTO PLANNING THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS FOR THIS COMMUNITY. IT'S AN ASSOCIATION WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND STAFFING, ALL THOSE THAT ARE PART OF DISASTER MANAGEMENT OR

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HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. WE ARE ONLY 1200 FEET FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS AND I COMBINE IT WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A FACILITY OR A BUILDING THAT IS MODULAR IN THE CENTER CAN BE BROUGHT TO DROP IN PLACE AND HOLD OUT AFTER A SPECIFIC TIME, CORRECT.

>> CORRECT. >> OKAY. SO, THERE IS CONNECTION -- MAKE SURE WE DON'T -- WELL, THIS IS JUST A MINOR DETAILS, BUT YOU GET CAUGHT UP IN -- DO NOT CONNECT IT WITH A COVERED PORCH BECAUSE YOU GET INTO FIRE SPRINKLING CODES IN THOSE THINGS AND THEY CAN HELP US WITH THAT.

>> I THINK THAT WAS THE CONCEPT FOR PUTTING THE LITTLE FIVE FOOT, SIX TOP -- FOOT TYPE BREEZEWAY WHERE THEY WERE NOT ATTACHED AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN DOWN THE LINE. NOW THEY ARE INDEPENDENT STRUCTURES. THE CLUBHOUSE PHYSICALLY -- OR GOLF SHOP FACILITY IS FINE. IT DOES NOT LEAK. IT'S DRY. THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THAT AT ALL. DOWN THE LINE, IF WE EVER HAD SOME REASON TO REMOVE OR CHANGE THAT, WE COULD HANDLE THAT FACILITY AT THAT TIME IT WOULD NOT AFFECT THE OTHERS IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> IT DOES. IT GOES RIGHT ALONG WITH THE IDEA THAT YOU'LL SEE THEM PARCELING OUT ã DEFENSE CENTER IS A SPECIAL NEEDS SHOULDER. HOWEVER IT'S OUR COMMUNITY CENTER AND WHILE WERE NOT IN DISASTER MODE, FOR EVENTS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY IN THE REGION. BECAUSE IT'S UNIVERSAL IN NATURE. I ENVISION THE EXACT SAME THING AT THIS LOCATION. AS WE SET THIS UP, SET THE ELEVATION OF THE SLAB TO BE SOMETHING THAT CAN TIE INTO A FUTURE FACILITY.

YOU KNOW, MY VERY SMALL WAY OF THINKING IS IS IN THE CORRECT LOCATION. IT'S CLOSE. YOU CAN SEE IT FROM US1 ONE IS ALIGNED WITH OHIO AVENUE AND THE REALIGNMENT. ALL THE LITTLE DETAILS ARE IN PLACE. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO DO SOMETHING NOW AND WERE NOT READY FOR THE BIGGER PICTURE, RIGHT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BECAUSE YOU CAN ESTABLISH ALL THOSE PARAMETERS TODAY, UTILIZE CONCRETE SLAB, BRING IN THE FACILITY LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, GET SOME REVENUE, GETS MORE TRACTION OUT OF IT. AS WE APPLY FOR GRANTS WE START LOOKING AT OUR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS FOR OUR PLACE -- POLICE DEPARTMENT, FOR OUR STAFF THAT HAS TO BE RESPONDING. GOOD FOR US. WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

WE ARE PLANNING AHEAD. >> WHAT WAS THE OTHER -- THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING. THE KITCHEN IS INCORPORATED IN?

>> IT IS. IN OUR CURRENT FACILITY, IN OUR LUNCH AREA, WE HAVE SOME EQUIPMENT. I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET DEAN AT THE MARINA WITH THE TIKI. SO WE WOULD ONLY NEED A HANDFUL OF PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. WE DO NOT NEED MUCH TO BE UP AND OPERATING THE WAY WE WOULD OPERATE. IT WOULDN'T GIVE US THE WHOLE SOUP TO NUTS BUT I THINK IN LOOKING TO WALK BEFORE WE CAN RUN, IF THERE'S A GREATER DEMAND AT THAT POINT, THEN WE CAN ADDRESS IT IT WOULD

GIVE US A FULL KITCHEN THERE. >> RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THE OTHER COMMENT I WOULD HAVE TO THAT IS DON'T COUNT OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF FOOD TRUCKS AND THE BENEFIT THAT A FOOD TRUCK HAS IN PROVIDING OPTIONS MAY BE OF A SPECIAL EVENT OR VENUE WHEN YOU PROVIDE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE FOOD TRCK VENDORS THAT COME IN AND HELP YOU WITH THAT OPERATION. WASN'T IT NOT TOO LONG AGO WE TALKED ABOUT THE PARCEL NEXT TO THE LINCOLN THEATER AND WE HAD AN IDEA THEY ARE OF THIS OUTDOOR VENUE, SPACE. NOT TOO LONG AGO I WENT TO NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE THEY CREATED AN OUTDOOR VENUE SPACE THAT TIED INTO A FACILITY JUST LIKE THIS. IT WAS TURFGRASS. THEY HAD THREE FOOD TRUCKS. THEY PROVIDED -- IT WAS THE VENUE. THE FOLKS THAT RENTED IT BROUGHT IN THEIR OWN CORNWALL RING TOSS, WHATEVER.

BUT IT WAS AN AMENITY BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SPACE. SO DON'T EVER LOSE THAT CREATIVE PART OF THE VISION. THERE WAS A REPORT THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US ABOUT THAT PARCEL THAT HAD GOOD PICTURES AND THOUGHTS. THEY DO IT IN THE PLACE IN MIAMI. WHAT'S THE BIG ONE IN MIAMI THAT'S AN OUTDOOR -- THAT'S OKAY. IT'S ALL RIGHT.

>> SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> ANYWAY, IT'S ALL THOSE THINGS. YOU HAVE A TEAM OF FOLKS THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. IN THE RIVERWALK IS BOOKED OUT FOR TWO YEARS. HERE YOU ARE, PROVIDING ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY AND ANOTHER VENUE FOR RESIDENTS AND FOR PEERS TO RUN. IT'S A REVENUE SOURCE.

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>> AND THAT'S THE WAY OF LOOK AT IT. IT IS NOT GOING TO ADD A LOT OF PAYROLL OVERHEAD FOR US. WE STILL OPERATE IN THE LUNCH BOX FROM 9 TO 3 DAILY. WE WOULD PROBABLY ADD A BARTENDER FROM NOON TO SIX, OPEN EVERY DAY FROM NOON TO SIX. IT DOESN'T ADD A LOT OF PAYROLL WHICH IS MANAGEABLE. IF WE WERE TO OBTAIN A BIGGER FUNCTION, WE COULD HAVE A CATERING COMPANY COME IN AND RENT THE FACILITY AND THEN THEY HANDLE ALL OF THE STAFFING. IT DOES NOT ADD A LOT TO OUR BOTTOM LINE BY GOING THIS ROUTE VERSUS A FULL-BLOWN CLUBHOUSE.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER VERONA.

>> THANK YOU. SOMEONE ON THAT LINE, WE START TALKING ABOUT A CAPITAL INVESTMENT AT A GOLF COURSE AND THE FIRST THING THAT TRIGGERS IN MY MIND IS MAKING SURE WE'RE SECURING THE LEASE AND ALL THOSE THINGS BECAUSE I COULD BE A DEAL KILLER. WOULD BE THE ONLY GOLF COURSE IN FLORIDA WITH 16 HOLES IN OBIT THAT WOULD SELL WHAT ABOUT YOU, DAN.

>>. >> IF THAT EVER HAPPENS, WE COULD RE-NAVIGATE THOSE TWO OR THREE HOLES THAT ARE AFFECTED. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT INTERNALLY. YES, WE COULD WORK AROUND THAT. IF YOU WERE EVER TO COME TO THAT.

>> WE HAVE TO AT LEAST BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS A POSSIBILITY, MAYBE EVEN LOOKING AT -- I WILL BRING THAT UP. SO, OHIO AVENUE -- AS I GO BY THERE ALL THE TIME A LOOK AT THAT. ARE WE -- DO WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR GATEWAY? WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT VIEW? I MEAN IT MOVES YOU OVER IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING CLUBHOUSE, RIGHT?

>> A LITTLE BIT, YES. A LITTLE BIT. IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT A LOT. IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT CUMBERSOME SO TO SPEAK, SHORT-TERM, WITH GETTING IN AND OUT IN THE CONSTRUCTION IT'S BEEN A LITTLE DICEY, BUT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN PRETTY GOOD.

>> ONCE IT'S OPENED UP YOU MIGHT TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO FOLKS THAT ARE DRIVING BY ON US1 ONE SAYING THERE'S A GOLF COURSE BACK THERE. IT'S BEEN HIDDEN

FOR A WHILE. >> I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING THAT'S BEEN INTERESTING, THE SIGN HAS BEEN MOVED FROM -- BASICALLY WAS ON THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF ALDI A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IT WAS. NOW WE'VE HAD NO -- MORE

COMMENTS ON A NEW SIGN. >> IS MORE PROMINENT. RIGHT.

>> HE TALKED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ADVANTAGE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS KIND OF LIKE A LOCAL SECRET THAT WE ALL KNOW LET'S GO PLAY HERE.

>> IT'S GONNA RAIN FOR THE NEXT THREE DAYS AND A LOT OF FOLKS -- MEN AND WOMEN HAVE SPECIFIC TIMES THAT THEY CAN PLAY. IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT GETTING THE COURSE DRAINED IN GETTING OUT AND PLAYING, YOU'VE GOT TO GO TO INDIAN HILLS. THERE'S NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE.

>> AND I THINK THAT IS A STRONG POINT A VERY BIG STRONG POINTS. HOW DO WE COMPARE IN RATES WITH THE LOCAL -- LIKE THE COUNTY AND.

>> WE START WITH OUR NORMAL RATE -- WE ARE UNDER EVERYBODY'S RATE CURRENTLY.

AND THEN I WOULD SAY 80 PERCENT OF OUR PLAY 80 PERCENT ARE MEMBERS. WE SELL THE MEMBERSHIP THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER. IT'S 45 IF YOUR RESIDENT IT RUNS ON A NOW BASIS ON THE DAYS PURCHASE. IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE FOR PEERS IS $65. WHAT THAT ALLOWS YOU -- FOR EVERY ROUND YOU SAVE 20 PERCENT OFF THE ADVERTISED RATES. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE FAIRWINDS WOULD BE IN THE $55 BARK PAUL -- BALLPARK. WITH THEIR MEMBERSHIP YOU YOU'RE AT 52. WITH OURS INSTEAD OF BEING $45, WE ARE 36. SO THE MEMBERSHIP FOR US -- IT'S BEEN A -- IT'S NOT BEEN THE BIGGEST REVENUE GENERATOR I WOULD SAY, BUT IT'S BEEN REALLY GOOD FOR GETTING PEOPLE -- REGULAR PLAY. RIGHT. SO WE GET A LOT OF REGULAR PLAY.

>> AND FINALLY, I MEAN -- I DID NOT HEAR YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT VOLUNTEERS. DO YOU HAVE

VOLUNTEERS THAT HELP OUT. >> WE DO. OUR STARTERS AND

RANGERS ARE VOLUNTEERS. >> DO THEY GET A LITTLE GOLF

TIME FOR DOING THAT. >> IS SWEET DEAL. THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. BECAUSE WE ARE DRY ALL THE TIME BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO IRRIGATE AND KEEP THE TURF FED, WHAT IS YOUR IRRIGATION SOURCE?

>> WE PUMP OUT OF THE NIGHTLY THERE. IT'S ALL RECLAIMED. IT'S ALL RIGHT OUT OF THAT SYSTEM. ONE OF THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN REPAIR THAT HAVE BEEN DOWN FOR SEVERAL YEARS IT'S CALLED THE PURGATION UNION. YOU CAN BUT SMALL AMOUNTS OF FERTILIZER IN WITH YOUR IRRIGATION WHEN YOU IRRIGATE AT NIGHT. INSTEAD OF GETTING GRANULAR FERTILIZATION WHERE IT'S GOING TO DISSIPATE, THIS IS A SMALL DOSE ON A DAILY BASIS SO IT'S BETTER FOR THE

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HEALTH OF THE TURF. AS OPPOSED TO GETTING A BIG SHOT AND THEN DISSIPATING OUT. SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAS BEEN A -- WE'VE ONLY HAD IT FIXED ABOUT MAYBE THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO. IT'S FAIRLY NEW, BUT IS SAT THERE FOR YEARS UNTOUCHED.

>> RIGHT. THE REASON I ASKED THAT JACK IS STILL SITTING BEHIND YOU. JACK, WE HAVE ANY OF OUR BASINS THAT CONNECT TO THE SYSTEM?

>> BECAUSE GEORGE AVENUE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE. HAVE WE EVER CONNECTED THOSE OR IS THAT HOW THAT ENTERS? THE REASON I'M ASKING -- HILL KNOW WHY. IT IS BECAUSE OF CREDITS AND/OR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES TO RID OURSELVES OF STORM WATER BEFORE HE GOES TO THE ELF: INDIAN RIVER DRIVE.

>> ESTHER ANDREWS. >> YES. WE DO. GEORGIA AVENUE DOES DRAIN OUT THAT WAY AND GOES INTO THE GOLF COURSE LAKE. WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER OUTFALL DOWN BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT COMES INTO THAT. AND THAT HAS BEEN A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE LOOKED AT FOR DOING GRANTS AND DOING A PROJECT IN THEIR TO DO SETTLEMENT TRAPS AND TO ENHANCE

THAT AREA. >> I BRING THAT UP IT MIGHT HELP OFFSET COST ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CITY'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND THE GOLF COURSE BECAUSE IT'S A CONSTANT SOURCE OF NEED FOR WATER EVEN IN THE WET TIMES. YOU HAVE TO IRRIGATE AND IF IT HAS A GOOD DRAINAGE SYSTEM, WHICH IT DOES, YOU GET RID OF THE WATER THAT WAY. WE DON'T PUMP WATER FROM THE VIRGINIA AVENUE CANAL DOORS, RIGHT?

>> WE HAVE A TRANSFER LAKE BACK BEHIND INDIAN HILLS DRIVE THAT WE TRANSFER WATER OVER INTO OUR

NUMBER NINE LAKE. >> OKAY. THE WATER THAT IS BEHIND THE POLICE STATION FLOWS DOWN NUMBER 10 ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT AT ALL THAT DOES NOT TIE INTO OUR INNER -- IRRIGATION LAKE.

>> SO WHERE THEY JUST RECTIFIED OHIO, AND FIXED ALL THE DRAINAGES PART OF THE OHIO PROJECT. THAT DOES NOT TRANSFER INTO OUR IRRIGATION LAKE.

>> IT'S JUST GOOD TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THAT JACK KNOWS ABOUT AND WHETHER IT'S GRANTS OR PROGRAM STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE HEALTH OF A RIVER MATTER MAYOR.

>> YES. QUESTION I KNOW THE BIG QUESTION IN YOUR MIND IS I KNOW WHAT THE COST IS. I HEARD YOU SAY WHAT THE COST IS BUT WHERE DO YOUR DOLLARS COMING FROM.

>> I THINK ONCE WE WERE TO ATTAIN THE FACILITY THAT WE COULD -- WE COULD SELF FINANCE GOING FORWARD WITH ADDED EVENTS AND FUNCTIONS. THE UPFRONT MONEY, WHAT THAT WOULD BE TO FURNISH IT AND EQUIPMENT, THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GET SOME KIND ALONE THAT WE WOULD REPAY. BUT THE MONTH-TO-MONTH COST I THINK WE COULD FLOAT THAT JUST ON ADDED FUNCTIONS.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LINE OF CREDIT.

>> WITH YOU? THE CITY? >> YES. (LAUGHING) MR. MIMBS? (LAUGHING) SEE (LAUGHING) NOW THAT IS PART OF THE CITY, SIR.

>> I REALIZE THAT. THERE'S STILL MORE RESEARCH TO DO. BUT ONCE DANNY COMES BACK TO MY OFFICE WITH A CONCRETE, MORE SPECIFIC PLAN, THEN WE WILL IDENTIFY A FINANCING MECHANISM TO THE PURCHASE OR LEASE THE STRUCTURE, WHAT IS BEST AND WHAT IS MORE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR THE GOLF COURSE. RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. AS SOON AS WE GET THE NUMBERS WE WILL IDENTIFY FINANCING MECHANISM.

>> MR. MIMBS I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M A SUPPORTER OF THIS, BUT I WAS HERE WHEN WE

OBTAINED THAT GOLF COURSE. >> YES, SIR.

>> SO IT HAS BEEN -- EVERY YEAR LIKE THE SUNRISE ARE -- I DON'T FIGHT AGAINST IT I SUPPORTED.

>> RIGHT. >> THIS IS MY COMMUNITY. BUT YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SPEAK ABOUT WHERE THOSE DOLLARS ARE COMING FROM, TO HE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DANNY. GOOD JOB. WE APPRECIATE YOU.

>> MR. MIMBS, GOOD HAVE TO TURN THIS OVER TO MY MAYOR PRO TEM BECAUSE I'M HEADING TO TALLAHASSEE AND AM GOING TO MISS MY TRANSPORTATION IF I DON'T GET OUT OF HERE

(LAUGHING). >> WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO

THAT. >> SO I APOLOGIZE TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, BUT I THOUGHT I WAS LEAVING MYSELF PLENTY OF TIME.

>> WAY TO GO. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

[g. Discussion regarding resurfacing Delaware Avenue between US 1 and Hartman Road. Also, consideration of possible lane reconfiguration of the section between 17th Street and 33rd Street.]

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>> WE ONLY HAVE TWO ITEMS LEFT. >> OKAY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE DISCUSSION REGARDING RESURFACING DELAWARE AVENUE BETWEEN US AND HARBIN ROAD CONSIDERATION OF LANE RICK CONFIGURATION BETWEEN 17TH STREET AND 33RD STREET.

>> MR. MIMBS? >> YES, SIR. WE HAVE OUR CITY ENGINEER HERE THAT IS GOING TO TALK TO US ABOUT HOW WE TRANSFORM DELAWARE AVENUE INTO WHAT WE MAY CALL A MORE OF A COMPLETE STREET. I KNOW THAT SOMETHING CLOSE TO THE HEART OF OUR COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, BUT DELAWARE AVENUE SPECIFICALLY FROM 17TH TO 33RD HAS ALWAYS JUST BEEN A CAPACITY TYPE ROADWAY. SO NOW WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY RECONFIGURE TO IDENTIFY OTHER MULTI- MODAL MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION. I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO MR. ANDREWS AT THIS TIME.

>> MR. ANDREWS. >> MAYOR PRO TEM, COMMISSIONERS. I WAS TRYING TO GET TO MY PRESENTATION HERE. THERE IS.

>> OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT DOING IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WE KNOW THIS IS A COUNTY ROAD FROM US1 ONE ALL THE WAY TO HARBIN ROAD. IT IS COUNTY JURISDICTION AND THEY ARE PLANNING ON RESURFACING THIS ROAD AS WE ALL KNOW THAT IT VERY MUCH NEEDS IT. THE -- LIKE I SAID, THE LIMITS GO FROM US1 12 HARDEMAN ROAD. DELMAR AVENUE IS IT UP OF THREE DISTINCT AREAS. WE HAVE THE -- THE URBAN TWO-WAY SECTION, WHICH GOES FROM US1 ONE UP TO 17TH STREET. WHICH HAS THE TULANE ON STREET PARKING CURB AND GUTTER, SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES. THE NEXT SECTION GOES FROM 18TH STREET TO 33RD STREET, WHICH IS A FOUR-LANE SECTION. CURB AND GUTTER, SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES. AND THEN THE ROYAL SECTION WHICH GOES FROM 33RD HOW TO HARDEMAN WHICH IS JUST A TULANE SECTION WITH SWELLS FOR DRAINAGE. SO THE -- THEIR SCHEDULE -- ARE LOOKING AT HAVING DESIGNED -- DESIGN PLANS FINISHED IN JULY OF SHEER. AND THEIR PROPOSAL IS TO START THEIR BIDDING PROCESS AND HAVE BID LET'S BY OCTOBER. THIS IS PART OF THE SURTAX MONEY THAT THEY'VE SET ASIDE AND SAID THIS PROJECT IS A REALITY. IT'S GOING TO BE COMING SOON. THE THING THAT I WANT TO BRING TO THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION, THERE IS TALK ABOUT CHANGING THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SECTION FROM 18TH TO 33RD STREET. TO ELIMINATE THAT FOUR-LANE SECTION AND CONVERT IT INTO A TULANE SECTION WITH ON STREET PARKING, LANDSCAPED AREAS, TO KIND OF GET AWAY TO A MORE, IF YOU WILL, TRAFFIC CALMING NEIGHBORHOOD SECTION THAT CAN BE UTILIZED BY -- WE DO HAVE SECTIONS AND THERE WERE WE DO NEED PARKING. WE HAVE THE ELKS BALLCLUB, ALL THE BALLPARKS IN THEIR THEY GET A TREMENDOUS USE. AND ON STREET PARKING WOULD BE WELCOME IN THAT AREA. SO, THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE LOOKING CURRENTLY IS TO ELIMINATE THE TWO OUTSIDE LANES. WE WOULD STILL MAINTAIN THE 12 FOOT TRAVEL LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, BUT THE 10 FOOT LANES WILL BE CONVERTED INTO THE -- INTO ON STREET PARKING. THE CURB AND GUTTER WOULD REMAIN SO THAT THE DRAINAGE WOULD REMAIN INTACT. WE WOULD JUST CUT OUT CERTAIN AREAS TO DO LANDSCAPING. OF COURSE, WE WOULD HAVE THE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO GO ARE OUT FOR EXISTING DRIVEWAYS. WE HAVE A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS IN THAT

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SECTION. SO, THIS IS A -- I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOU FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AND TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY INTEREST IN THIS. THE VOLUMES OF -- THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES ARE RELATIVELY LOW IN THIS SECTION OF FOUR-LANE. THE PEAK OUR VOLUME SHOWS 254 TRIPS AN HOUR. IT'S WELL WITHIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND WE DO NOT SEE TOO MUCH -- WE WOULD HAVE TO DO MORE STUDY ON IT TO VERIFY IT. BUT JUST FROM THE FIRST GLANCE, DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THE REDUCTION OF THE FOUR LANES TO TWO LANES WOULD CAUSE THAT MUCH PROBLEM IN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT IS AMONG THE HIGHER GENERATING AREAS, LIKE THE SCHOOL AND THE BUS COMPOUND DOWN AT 29TH STREET. WE MAY CONSIDER TO LEAVING LEFT TURN LANES IN IN THAT SECTION TO PROVIDE FOR THE BUS IS COMING IN AND OUT OF THEIR. IT'S A FAIRLY HEAVY AMOUNT OF BUSES. WE COME IN FACT, WE -- I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MARTY SANDERS FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD. HE WAS -- IN FACT, HE SUPPLIED A LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THIS, BUT CAUTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, DOWN AT THAT END, WE HAVE THE BUSES THAT COMMAND. 120, 150 BUSES OF MORNING AND AFTERNOON TO COME IN THERE. THERE IS A TURN LANE IN THEIR THAT SHOULD BE LEFT IN. SO, I WOULD LIKE SEE WHICH ARE COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS

SORRY AND. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC. SO LET'S DO IT. SO, I AGREE WITH THAT. I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE A LEFT-HAND TURN EASTBOUND -- EXCUSE ME WESTBOUND LEFT HAND TURN AND MAYBE EVEN A RIGHT-HAND TURN -- TURN EASTBOUND JUST CARVE IT OUT LITTLE BIT. IF WE REALLY GO BACK, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE LEFT OVER OF WHEN DELAWARE DISCONNECTED ITSELF AT 17TH STREET. THIS IS WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE, COULD'VE DONE HOW MANY YEARS AGO WAS THAT? OH MY GOSH. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. SO, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTOR AT THIS POINT THAT CONNECTS ALL OF OUR MAJOR ROADS AND FOLKS COME FROM THE RESIDENCE THEY GET ON THE STREET TO GET TO 25TH STREET. THEY GET GO TO OKEECHOBEE ROAD. IT'S GREEN SPACE. IT'S WALKABLE. IT STARTS CREATING A HOLD CONNECTED NEIGHBORHOODS CONCEPT. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT. MICRO MOBILITY SCOOTERS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY, BUT IT IS. HE GOES BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVING A MORE -- OTHER KNOW, MORE GREEN SPACE. IT'S INVITING. RIGHT NOW IS JUST WE PAVED FROM CURB TO CURB. GOOD LUCK. SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT

IDEA. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER?

>> YES. I'M SORRY. I HAD TO PAUSE FOR A CALL. -- I HA TO PAUSE FOR A CAUSE. I DID NOT GET THE FIRST PARTY YOUR PRESENTATION. FROM 17TH STREET, ARE YOU SAYING REOPEN

THAT? >> NO COMMISSIONER. WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THE PORTION OF THE FOUR-LANE FROM 18TH STREET TO.

>> FROM 18TH STREET. NOT 17TH STREET.

>> NOT THE 17TH. STILL LEAVE THAT JOG IN THEIR.

>> I MEAN, YOU JUST -- REDIRECT INDIVIDUALS OPPOSITE FROM WHERE THEY'RE GOING AFTER GOING TO DO THE SCHOOL IN THAT AREA. YOU KNOW, THAT JUST -- WHOMEVER, CHOSE TO CLOSE THAT OFF, I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST DETOURING PEOPLE YOU KNOW AWAY FROM -- I DID NOT KNOW IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ON THAT. YOU SAY 18TH STREET OKAY.

>> THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE THE FOUR LANES.

>> I GOT THAT. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THE COUNTIES CONFIGURATION OF FORT PIERCE IS ALWAYS GOOD -- TO SOME DEGREE TO MAKE US MORE QUAINT. AND I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS. WHY WOULD WE GO BACK AND

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UNDO A FOUR-LANE ROAD WHEN WE ARE LOOKING TO GROW AND DEVELOP AN AREA WHERE OBVIOUSLY, IT DOES NOT TAKE AN ENGINEER TO KNOW THAT THE FLUX OF TRAFFIC MOVES BETTER ON FOUR LANES VERSUS LANES. ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ONE THING IF IT WERE ALREADY TULANE, BUT TO GO BACK AND REDUCE IT -- I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER. YOU DID NOT AGREE WITH IT. MAYBE I'M WRONG. BUT NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO -- THIS IS AN AREA WE ARE WORKING ON IT, WE HAVE GREAT PLANS FOR IT. IT'S A COUNTY ROAD. BUT YET, AND STILL, TO STOP THE FLUX OF TRAFFIC FROM FOUR-LANE TO TULANE JUST THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS GOING TO BE AN OBSTACLE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO GET USED TO THAT THAT ARE USED TO DRIVING ON A FOUR-LANE ROAD. AND IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'LL FEEL ABOUT IT BUT WHY CAN'T WE JUST PUT IN THE CONFIGURATIONS AND IMPROVE THE ROADWAY TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO REDUCE IT -- I'M STARTING DRAW FLASHBACKS ON THE BRIDGE YEAR. WITH THE SEAWAY BRIDGE.. WHY DO WE WANT TO REDUCE IT? I MEAN, IS THE OBSTACLE -- IS THE OBJECTIVE TO SLOW US DOWN IN TERMS OF OUR DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE FROM 25TH STREET, FROM 17TH STREET TO 25TH STREET, THERE'S NOTHING RESIDENTIAL ABOUT THAT AREA. SO TO MAKE IT UNDER THE DISGUISE OF A ROAD THAT WILL SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES, DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. BUT THAT'S JUST YOU KNOW, DELAWARE ON THE OTHER HAND, GOING FROM ABOUT SEVENTH STREET, MAY BE ON, EAST, BUT 17TH STREET GOING BACK TOWARDS HARTMAN ROAD, THAT

JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL

RESIDENTIAL. >> IT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL.

>> BUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE BUSINESSES WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUSINESSES ON DELAWARE, GOING WEST OF TOWN, THOSE ARE BUSINESSES IN MY RIGHT?

>> COMMISSIONER I THINK YOU'RE GETTING OKEECHOBEE IN DELAWARE DELAWARE NO SO WERE TALKING THAT AREA IT GOES BY THE BALLPARKS, THE OLD ARMORY THAT SECTION. AND IT IS MOSTLY

RESIDENTIAL THAT'S -- >> ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE ROADS

FOUR-LANE NOW. >> IT IS FOUR-LANE NOW.

>> OKAY. AND -- I HAD THE SAME FEELING THAT YOU DID ORIGINALLY BECAUSE FROM A -- I GUESS IT ENGINEER MOVING TRAFFIC. I GUESS THAT'S OUR FIRST THOUGHT. THE MORE YOU LOOK AT IT YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL AREA. HE OF MORE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. IT WOULD MAKE A SAFER FEEL CROSSING BETWEEN -- IF YOU'RE CROSSING DELAWARE, IT MAKES YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE JUST CROSSING TWO LANES INSTEAD OF FOUR LANES.

>> BUT SHE GOT THOSE BUSES COMING IN ANOTHER. YOU HAVE ALL THE TRAFFIC. IT IS RESIDENTIAL BUT IT'S ROUNDABOUT COMMERCIAL AREA. IN THE BUSES IN THE TRAFFIC AND THE MOVEMENT NOW. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU FOR DIRECTING ME. BUT ROUNDABOUT -- THE MCDONALD'S AREA. GOING -- GOING WEST UP IN THAT AREA WITH FOUR-LANE.

YES BUT THE BIG PART OF THAT IS -- IT SEEMS LIKE FOUR-LANE ROAD WAS AN IDEA ON A FUNCTION OF FORT PIERCE THAT BE HAVE CHANGED BECAUSE I DON'T USE THAT ROAD AS A SHORTCUT OR A -- A COMMUTE OR ANYTHING ELSE BUT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO TURN OFF THEIR WHEN YOU GET 18TH STREET.

YOU HAVE TO DO THAT LITTLE SIDE SHOT AND GET BACK OUT ONTO -- IS IT OKEECHOBEE? BUT THE

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THING ABOUT IT IS IS THAT THIS MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME. IT TAKES AN ASSET THAT I THINK IT IS A STRANDED ASSET BECAUSE WERE NOT USING IT FOR WHAT IT IS AND TURNING IT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AS SAID. HAVE WE THOUGHT AT ALL ANY ABOUT BICYCLE LANES OR MULTIUSE LANES INSTEAD OF ALL THE PARKING? HOW DOES THAT WORK OUT?

>> WE ARE LIMITED ON THE RIGHT AWAY. WE HAVE -- WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THE CONFIGURATION GOES FROM RIGHT AWAY TO RIGHT AWAY. IT HAS THE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS. TWO FOOT FOR THE CURB AND GUTTER, 10 FOOT FOR THE -- RIGHT. IT'S FULL. THERE'S NO GRASS STRIP IN THERE. SO TO DO A BICYCLE LANE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY ELIMINATE PARKING FROM ONE SIDE OF THE STREET OR

THE OTHER. AND DO THAT. SO. >> IS THERE A PARKING DEMAND THERE? I MEAN RIGHT NOW THERE'S NONE AVAILABLE?

>> CORRECT. I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE BIGGEST DEMANDS WOULD BE NEAR THE BALLFIELDS.

>> I CAN SEE THAT. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? >> MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT IS I'M LOOKING AT HARTMAN ROAD EVENT CREEK AND THOSE STYLES OF HOMES IS GOING TO BE COMING IN THE NEAR FUTURE. WE SAY NEAR FUTURE, RIGHT, MR. MIMBS? OF THE EVENT CREEK AREA. THERE'S CAN BE A THOUSAND PLUS HOUSES OUT THERE. SO WE ARE -- YOU GOT A ROUNDABOUT AT BENT CREEK IN HARTMAN ROAD. SO WHY DO YOU DON'T THINK THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO FLOW THROUGH DELAWARE TO GET TO A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE LIKE 25TH STREET?

>> I MEAN, IS GOING TO. >> IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WORKING TO BE WISHING THAT WE HAD A FOUR-LANE HIGHWAY ALL THE WAY FROM DELAWARE -- TO HARBOR ROAD BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USE THE ROADS REGARDLESS. THE ONES THAT LIVED THERE. THEY'LL KNOW GINKO DOWN DELAWARE AND WE CAN GET TO 25TH STREET OR WE CAN GET TO OKEECHOBEE FROM THERE. BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUSES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING INTO THE COMPOUND AND LEAVING THE COMPOUND IN THE MORNINGS. EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE IN THERE. YOU TURN IT DOWN TO TWO LANES, I -- YOU KNOW, WHAT EVER Y'ALL DECIDE, BUT I'M JUST -- WE HAVE TO GET IN THE FUTURE.

>> YES. >> A COUPLE ON THAT. I AGREE WITH YOU. HARTMAN ROAD IS GOING TO BE A CRITICAL NORTH-SOUTH ASSET. HOWEVER, FOLKS ARE -- THE TRAFFIC DESIGNERS ARE GOING TO PUSH THEM TO OKEECHOBEE AND ORANGE

AVENUE NOT TO DELAWARE. >> YES.

>> AND WE ARE ASSUMING -- NOT YOU, WE ARE ASSUMING THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS GOING TO KEEP THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. THEY STILL ARE HOLDING ONTO THE EDWARD RHODES PROPERTY BUT THEY'RE NOT REAL SURE AND MARTY HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT. AND HE'S ASKING THE COUNTY TO PLAN FOR THAT. BUT THIS IS A -- THE COLLECTOR THAT COLLECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT TAKES YOU TO THE ARTERIAL WHICH IS THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE THAT CONNECTS YOU TO THE INTERSTATE OR WHEREVER -- OF HAVE THOSE TERMS CORRECT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, CONNECTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IF YOU CAN -- IF YOU CAN DESIGN THIS IN A WAY THAT CONNECTS ALL OF DELAWARE AVENUE WEST OF 18TH TO DREAMLAND PARK THAT WE'VE DONE OUR JOB. WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AND ENTICE FOLKS TO WALK TO THE PARK AND WALKED TO THE BALLPARK. THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS YOU DO IT. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE -- NAUSEA LOSS THAT ONCE THE TERM AND LONG ãTHE DOT.

>> COMPLETE STREETS. >> RIGHT. GEEZ. THANK YOU.

THAT'S PART OF THE PROGRAM. AND DOT HAS FACTUAL DATA OF WHY YOU DO THIS. AND THE SPUR IN THE MOVEMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND MORE LIVABILITY IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD SAY DELAWARE AVENUE AND THOSE CONNECTOR STREETS WERE PROBABLY WHAT? 60 PERCENT BUILT OUT

NEIGHBORHOODS IN THIS AREA? >> YES. I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY LIVES ARE CURRENTLY BUT I WOULD SAY THE LAND HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AT LEAST 60 PERCENT. 23RD IN ALL THOSE. SO, THE OLD DESIGN INCORPORATED DELAWARE FROM US1 1 TO 33RD

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STREET. IF YOU WERE TO PLANT TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE THAT'S WHAT WAS LAID OUT EAST WEST EAST WEST IS WEST. WE SEVERED THAT ARTERY. WE CROSSED IT OFF AND WE SAID YOU HAVE TO STAY ON OKEECHOBEE ROAD NOW.

>> YES. >> YOU'RE RIGHT. COMMISSIONER BUT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE WAS NO ANTICIPATION THAT THOSE GROVES OUT THERE THAT WE HAD WEST OF TOWN ARE GOING TO TURN INTO MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS. SO TO LIMIT ANY FORM OF TRAFFIC FLOW GOING FROM EAST TO WEST RIGHT NOW SO I JUST DON'T SEE YEAH YOU WILL FORCE PEOPLE TO DO THAT, SLOW DOWN. YOU'LL SLOPE -- FORCE PEOPLE TO PUT MORE ATTENTION ON OKEECHOBEE ROAD.

AND ORANGE AVENUE, BUT YET, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY THE FLUX OF TRAFFIC LIKE THE COMMISSIONER WAS SAYING THE INFLUX OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL START TO COME FROM HARTMAN ROAD TO HOPEFULLY, OUR BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN CITY OF FORT PIERCE. BECAUSE IF THEY CAN GET THERE, THEY'LL GET TO PORT ST. LUCIE. SO LET'S MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE WITH THE ANTICIPATION OF THE GROWTH. I JUST THINK THAT IT'S A STEP BACKWARDS TO TAKE AN ALRADY EXISTING FOUR-LANE ROAD IN AN AREA THAT WE KNOW IS ABOUT TO PUT FORT PIERCE ON THE MAP THE ROOFTOPS THERE. SLOWING ANY TRAFFIC DOWN MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. SO THAT'S MY POSITION.

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR MAIN FOCUS SHOULD BE WAS DELAWARE AVENUE IS TO PAVE IT FROM 25TH STREET TO 33RD BECAUSE IF YOU EVER HAVE DRIVEN DOWN THE ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE -- IN DESPERATE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS DELAWARE. I CAN NAME A COUPLE OF THE ONES, BUT DELAWARE

AVENUE IS LIKE A GOLF CART, >> AS LOW AS IT IS.

>> THE DRIVE SLOW. ALREADY. >> THAT THEY HAD A -- YOU HAD ON THE SCREEN WHAT WAS THE DATE?

>> IT'S COMMON. >> I KNOW.

>> OCTOBER. FOR US TO RECONFIGURE IT, I MEAN DO SIDEWALK PARKING. I DON'T -- THAT'S -- THAT'S UP TO THE ENGINEERS.

>> I'M JUST WONDERING, DO, IT WILL REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? AND FOUND OUT YOU KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD ENVISION.

>> IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. >> KNOW THIS WAS JUST BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION PROBABLY TWO WEEKS AGO AND I FELT THE NEED THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE SOME

DISCUSSION. >> THIS BEGINS AS A DISCUSSION.

OBVIOUSLY, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS, THE NEIGHBORS, THE PEOPLE THAT OWN IN THAT AREA. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. I THINK THIS ACCOMPLISHES WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AS FAR AS THE GROWTH THAT IS HAPPENING. BUT AS THAT GROWTH HAPPENS, THE MAIN ARTERIES LIKE ORANGE AVENUE AND OKEECHOBEE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE UPDATED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL OF THIS AND KEEP OUT OF THE INTERNAL NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS.

THIS HAS BECOME AN INTERNAL NEIGHBORHOOD AREA AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

>> I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES ARE GOING TO HAVE STRANGE CARS PARKED IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHO IT MAY BE OR

COULD BE YOUR WANNABE. >> UNLIKE THE IDEA OF REQUESTING THAT THEY HAD THE BIKE PATH. TAKE ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND MAKE THAT INSTEAD OF PARKING. AND JUST TO A HYBRID DESIGN OF NOT JUST EQUAL SIDES, MAKE ONE SIDE THE MULTI- MODEL PATHWAY BICYCLE LANE WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE DESIGNERS COME UP WITH.

>> IT ACCOMPLISHES A LOT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN STRATEGIC PLANNING. IF WERE GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE LET'S INCORPORATE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. IT HAS NONE NOW. IT IS NO PARKING ON STREET AND IT DOES NOT HAVE A BIKE GOING IF I CPAR BIKE LANE. I MEAN WE'VE DONE A

LOT. >> THE OTHER CONDITION THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TODAY IN OUR CODE IS THE BACKING MOVEMENT OF A VEHICLE IN THE DRIVEWAY INTO

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A MAJOR ROADWAY. I THINK A LOT OF THE DRIVEWAYS ON THIS STREET REQUIRED PULLING, YOU PARK AND WHEN YOU LEAVE THE NEXT MORNING TO GO TO WORK, YOU BACK OUT INTO THE ROAD. IF I'M NOT

MISTAKEN. >> RIGHT.

>> WILL ELIMINATE THAT, TOO. THAT HELPS THE CONDITION.

>> WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR, JACK JUST A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD?

>> CORRECT. I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK TO SEE WHAT I COULD TELL THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS REQUESTING TO GET OUR FEEDBACK TO SEE HOW THEY CAN PROCEED WITH THEIR DESIGN.

THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A CONSULTANT ON BOARD. THIS WHOLE PROJECT WILL BE RESURFACING PLUS UPGRADING ADA REQUIREMENTS FOR CROSSWALKS AND THE DISCUSSION CAME UP ABOUT - - CHANGING THIS SECTION OF THE ROADWAY. SO THEY REACHED OUT TO US TO SEE WHAT OUR OPINION

WAS. >> AND THEY'RE PAYING THE BILL, OBVIOUSLY. SO I LIKE THAT. YOU HEARD COMMENTS AND CONCERNS HERE TODAY. I MEAN DO YOU NEED

ANYTHING ELSE FROM US? >> YOU GOT KIND OF LIKE A -- WE ARE NOT IN 100 PERCENT AGREEMENT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO ENVISION EXACTLY WHAT

WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. >> MR. MAYOR PRO TEM?

>> HERE YOU GO AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION. I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT YOU'VE GIVEN FEEDBACK TO THE CITY ENGINEER ALTHOUGH THERE WAS NOT A CONSENSUS OF THE FEEDBACK, I BELIEVE THAT BEFORE THE ROAD IS RECONFIGURED, YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY INPUT FROM THOSE THAT LIVE IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY. I BELIEVE WE CAN RELAY THAT TO OUR COUNTERPARTS AT ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THE COMMISSION HAS DEFINITE INTEREST IN THE POSSIBLE RECONFIGURATION. BUT BEFORE ANYTHING OCCURS IN OUR CITY, WE WANT OUR COMMUNITY TO HAVE A VOICE. SO WE WILL RELAY THAT TO OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? >> THIS IS THE -- THIS IS THE COUNTY'S ROAD IT HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH JUST FOUR. WE'VE BEEN RAISING HELL ABOUT THEM RESURFACING THAT ROAD SO NOW WERE STUCK WITH MAKING THE ROAD SMALLER REDUCING IT. BUT WITH THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY INPUT AS FAR AS THE COUNTY MEETING IS CONCERNED? TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE BEFORE THE MOVE FORWARD.

>> ALL WE CAN DO IS RELAY YOUR CONCERNS TO THE COUNTY AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE COUNTY MOVES FORWARD WITH GAINING THE INPUT OF THE PUBLIC. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PROCESS IS GOING

TO GO, SIR. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING

FURTHER ON THIS? >> THANKS.

[h. Outdoor fitness station discussion.]

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. MADAME CLERK HE.

>> LET'S MOVE ON TO OUTDOOR FITNESS STATION DISCUSSION.

>> MR. MIMBS. >> THE LAST ITEM OF THE DAY.

WE HAVE MR. REELS. HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT A NEW, EXCITING VENTURE THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO -- THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. REELS AT THIS

TIME. >>.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM, COMMISSIONERS. AS MR. MIMBS STATED WE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU AN IDEA OF AN OUTDOOR FITNESS STATION IN AN EFFORT TO PROMOTE HEALTHY LIFESTYLES AND INVITE FOLKS TO ENJOY OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY AMENITIES. WE ARE LOOKING TO PLACE AN OUTDOOR FITNESS STATION AT THE CORNER OF INDIAN RIVER DRIVE AND SEAWAY. AND I'M LOOKING FOR -- RENDERINGS. IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY OF PORT ST. LUCIE CURRENTLY HAS THEIR CROSSTOWN PARKWAY. THESE FITNESS STATIONS UTILIZE BODY WEIGHT. THEY'RE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO COME OUT AND USE AT ANY TIME THEY WISH.

>> ARE THEY ATTACHED TO YOUR AGENDA ITEM?

>> THEY ARE. AND THEY WERE ON MY STICK HERE.

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>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. >> GO HAD.

>> NECK, THIS IS ALIGN WITH ONE OF OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING INITIATIVES?

>> I DO BELIEVE IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND HAVING ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT IT'LL IMPROVE THE WELLNESS OF OUR CITY STAFF AND RESIDENTS AND WOULD BE IN LINE WITH OUR

STRATEGIC PLAN. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> MY APOLOGIES FOR THE TECHNICAL DELAYS. HERE ARE THE RENDERINGS OF THE AMENITIES THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE LOCATION. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, YOU ARE AN ENGINEER AND A VISUAL PERSON. THE IDEA FOR THIS WOULD BE ABOUT A 35 FOOT BY 35 FOOT CONCRETE SLAB THE SIDEWALK ADJOINING THE WALKING PATHS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY. IN DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. MIMBS AND ALSO COLEADER, THIS IS THE FIRST OF POTENTIALLY MORE OF THESE OUTDOOR FITNESS STATIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PLACE HER AT THE CITY. THE OTHER TWO LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED ARE THE PAL JIM. WE DID THE RECONSTRUCTION ON THE FACILITY BACK IN 2012 AND THE SIDEWALKS THAT SURROUND THE PROPERTY THERE, WHEN DEFENSES WERE PLACED, THEY WERE DONE SO IN SUCH THAT THERE ARE OPENINGS THAT WERE INTENDED TO HAVE SIMILAR FITNESS STATIONS THERE AS WELL.

>> WALLACE IS FINE AND DANDY NONE OF IT MATTERS IF WE CAN AFFORD IT, RIGHT?

>> YES. >> SO LET'S GET TO THAT ITEM NOW. WHAT IS GOING ON WITH OUR SYSTEM HERE?

>> I COULD NOT PULL IT UP EITHER.

>> A PROBLEM BUT I FINALLY GOT IT.

>> THERE'S ONE THAT SAYS QUOTE RIGHT THERE.

>> OKAY. THERE WE GO. PERFECT.

>> SO OUR TOTAL ANTICIPATED COST FOR THIS PROJECT IS ROUGHLY $25,000 TURNKEY.

THAT'S WITH THE SLAB BEING CONSTRUCTED IN-HOUSE IN THE AMENITIES BEING PURCHASED THROUGH XO FIT WHO HAS A CURRENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF PORT ST. LUCIE THAT WE COULD BE UTILIZED BY THESE AMENITIES. WE ALSO QUALIFY FOR A GRANT TO PURCHASE THIS EQUIPMENT. WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE TOTAL COST BY JUST OVER $7000. SO, WE ARE ANTICIPATING THE CONCRETE TO COME IN WITH THE EQUIPMENT AND CONCRETE TO COME IN UNDER $25,000 TOTAL FOR THIS PROJECT.

I WANTED TO GET IT BEFORE YOU GET YOUR FEEDBACK. IF YOU THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA OR WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

>> I THINK THE LOCATION IS PERFECT ONLY BY THE FACT THAT HE SEE EVERYBODY WALKING OVER THE BRIDGE ON A DAILY BASIS DAY AND NIGHT, ALL TIMES AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE JUST OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT IS -- WE DON'T HAVE HILLS AND MOUNTAINS IN STOCK. IF YOU WANT ELEVATION TRAINING UP TO GO OVER A BRIDGE OR GO INTO THE PARKING GARAGE.

I THINK THE LOCATION IS PERFECT. WHAT IS IT -- I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE THERE AT THE CORNER. IS IT GOING TO TAKE THE PLACE OF LIKE PICNIC TABLES OR.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM, IT WOULD NOT. IT WOULD BE A LITTLE FURTHER TO THE WEST, CLOSER TO -- ACTUALLY, IF YOU KNOW WHERE THE BIKE RACK IS IT'LL BE EAST OF THAT LOCATION.

>> ALL RIGHT. IN THIS COMPANY, IN FACT MY WIFE AND I WERE IN ORLANDO THIS WEEKEND VISITING OUR DAUGHTER AND WE WERE RUNNING ON THE ORLANDO URBAN TRAIL WHICH IS KIND OF A NEAT LITTLE PLACE. THEY HAD THESE LITTLE EXERCISE STATIONS THROUGHOUT. AND I KEPT THINKING I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN BEING IN ORLANDO THAN ON THE WATERFRONT HERE AS FAR AS RUST AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOES. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE

DURABILITY OF THE PRODUCT. >> ABSOLUTELY. THE PRODUCT COMES THE WARRANTY. THAT IS GOING TO BE LIMITED IN THE ELEMENTS. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID LOOK AT IS THE COST OF THE EQUIPMENT KNOWING THAT IT PROBABLY IS IN THE LAST 20 OR 30 YEARS AND HAVE TO BE REPLACED AT SOME POINT -- TIME. SO THROUGH PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE WE BELIEVE WE CAN GET A 10 TO 15 YEAR LIFE EXPECTANCY.

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>> ALL RIGHT. MY QUESTION WAS THE PARKING WOULD BE SHARED PARKING? THE YACHT CLUB.

>> YES, SIR. AND WE ALSO PARKING AVAILABLE AT THE RIVERWALK CENTER.

>> SO YOU ARE EXPECTING THEM TO UTILIZE THIS LIKE WALKING FROM THE RIVERWALK TODAY ARE? THE BEGINNING EXERCISE ALREADY BUT I'M -- MY QUESTION IS THERE BE NO CONFLICT.

>> IT WON'T BE NO DUELING OVER PARKING SPACES. ARE YOU CAN DESIGNATE CERTAIN PARTS FOR

THAT. >> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE BE AN ISSUE WITH PARKING UNDER EVENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT THIS TIME WE DO NOT INTEND TO DESIGNATE PARKING FOR THE FITNESS STATION.

>> MR. JOHNSON. >> THANK YOU. I WAS GONNA SAY THAT MOST PEOPLE THAT WALK THE BRIDGE TO PARK IN THE PARKING LOT. IF IT'S BUSY THEY PARK IN RIVERWALK BECAUSE OF THEIR TO EXERCISE IN A FEW MORE STEPS IS GOOD. MOTHER QUESTION THIS IS A PACKAGE PRICE. NO MATTER WHERE IN THE CITY WE DO THIS THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE GRANT.

THIS IS AN APPROXIMATION OF WHAT IT WOULD COST US FOR FOOTPRINT OF 35 BY 35. IF WE LOOK AT THE LOCATIONS LIKE DREAMLAND PARKING TO BE A GREAT SPOT.

>> WE COULD PLACE THESE STOOD IN THE PARK. THE OTHER LOCATIONS WE TALKED ABOUT WERE THE GYM I MENTIONED. ALSO AND MOST RECENTLY WE HAD A BRIEF DISCUSSION.

>> BECAUSE I'M THINKING OF THE AREAS THAT ATTRACT FOLKS ON A ROUTINE BRACES -- BASIS.

DREAMLAND PARK HAS A LOT OF AMENITIES WHETHER IT'S A BALLCLUB OR A BALL GAME OR PRACTICE ARE GOING TO THE WATERPARK. MOMS DADS AND GRANDPARENTS CAN ENJOY THE AMENITY WHILE KIDS ARE PLAYING AND MAYBE EVEN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY ON ELKS PARK PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY HAVE PARKING THERE. NOW THE FENCING IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE THEY CLOSE THE GATES ON DELAWARE. BUT IF WE REORIENTED FENCING AND YOU HAVE 10 SPACES THAT ARE OPEN FOR PUBLIC PARKING AND THEN ALL THE SUDDEN THERE IS A FITNESS CENTER AT THAT SPOT. THAT'S JUST ONE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION. I APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING ALL THE OTHER SPOTS. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A NUMBER TO START OFF WITH AND SEE HOW IT BLOSSOMS FROM THERE.

>> I ALSO THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA -- WE HAVE EDGARTOWN AND ALL THE ACTIVITY AT KINGS LANDING IN ANTICIPATION OF RENAISSANCE OF ALL DOWNTOWN. ALL THESE FOLKS HAVE A PLACE TO GO. AND I'M -- I'VE GOT A FEELING IT'S GOING TO BE WELL USED. IT'S -- THE LOCATION IS ALMOST PERFECT. THE EMPLOYEES IN OUR WELLNESS PROGRAM, AT NOON THEY'RE GOING TO BE FILING OUT THE DOOR HEADING DOWN THE STREET TO THE -- THE LEG MACHINE OR WHATEVER IT IS.

>> I HATE TO BE THE BEARER OF BAD NEWS, BUT THE OLDER WE GET, THE LESS VIVID TENDENCY TO USE THAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT. AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE UTILIZATION IF YOU PUT IT NEAR DREAMLAND PARK. WE HAVE YOUNGER PEOPLE OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT PARK IS FULL OF PEOPLE OUT THERE FOOTBALL, SOCCER, DOING ALL KINDS OF THINGS. BUT TO PUT IT RIGHT THERE NEAR THE ENTRANCE AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, JUERGEN HAVE SOME ACTIVITY BUT SHE WOULD GET MORE UTILIZATION, I BELIEVE IF IT WERE THE BASE OF A PARK WHERE THERE WERE MORE YOUNGER PEOPLE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HEAVY EQUIPMENT THEIR LEGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND I JUST THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF ACTIVITIES, TEAM SPORTS, THE COACHES ARE GOING TO MAKE THE YOUNG PEOPLE IS GOING TO BE IN ASSET TO THEM.

THEY'RE GOING TO USE IT MORE AT THE BASE OF THE PARK WE HAVE A LOT OF SPORT ACTIVITIES.

>> I WANTED AT THIS. AS YOU PLAN OUT YOU STRATEGICALLY LOCATE THESE DIFFERENT FACILITIES WITHIN THE PARK WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. I FORGOT WHAT THE NUMBER IS THAT -- THE DOT PROJECTED THE INCREASE IN BRIDGE AND WALKING TRAFFIC, BUT IT WAS A LARGE NUMBER. IF YOU

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EVER WATCH THOSE FOLKS THAT DO WANT -- WALK THE BRIDGE THERE'S A GOOD PERCENTAGE THAT WILL CARRY A TWO POUND WEIGHT. THAT'S WHY PORT ST. LUCIE ADDED TO -- IT'S ON CROSSTOWN?

>> IT'S ON CROSSTOWN. ONE THAT WE TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE THREE DAYS NOW.

>> SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT LIKE ONE IMPOSING AND RIGHT HERE IS MORE CONDUCIVE TO PEOPLE IN TERMS OF THE OTHER SIDE. THOSE HEAVY-DUTY LEG MACHINES. I THINK YOU GET MORE USE OF IT.

>> AND COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, JUST FOR CLARITY, JUST BODYWORK JUDGMENT BODY WEIGHT EQUIPMENT THERE BE NO ADDITIONAL WEIGHTS ADDED ON. THESE WILL ALL ALLOW YOU TO USE BODY WEIGHT FOR THE

MOVEMENT. >> ANY FURTHER COMMENT ON THIS?

>> HAVE YOU GOTTEN ALL THE DIRECTION THAT YOU NEED.

>> I BELIEVE SO OKAY? >> GOOD JOB.

[5. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>>> WILL BE GONE. >> NEXT WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM

THE PUBLIC. >> ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WISH

TO BE HEARD? COME O UP. >> SIGN IN.

>> YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> AND THE DECORUM, WHICH IS LISTED HERE IN FRONT OF YOU. THIS IS THE SIGN IN SHEET?

>> YES. SIGN IN AND THEN JUST ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM I THINK WE HAVE A WARNING AT THE END.

>> YOU GET A THREE SECOND WARNING.

>> THREE SECOND BEAT. >> I WAS GONNA SURPRISE FOLKS

(LAUGHING) EXTERIOR GO. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, I GUESS IT IS NOW. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. MY NAME IS MARK DEROSA. I LIVE ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE AND I AM VICE PRESIDENT OF THE INDIAN RIVER DRIVE PROPERTY ASSOCIATION. I'M A MEMBER OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE OF THAT ASSOCIATION THAT DEALS WITH TRAFFIC ON THE DRIVE. I'VE LIVED ON THE ROAD FOR 18 YEARS NOW. I'VE COMMUNICATED WITH CHIEF OF POLICE IN THE PAST THROUGH EMAIL COMMUNICATED WITH THE SHERIFF. THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, MET PERSONALLY WITH THEM. TO TALK ABOUT THE SUBJECT. IT'S -- IT WAS FUNNY MR. MIMBS BROUGHT UP THE AGENDA ITEM AND DESCRIBED THE ROAD AS A TOURIST ATTRACTION AND A WAY TO WORK. I FIND THAT IRONIC BECAUSE THE WAY THAT I SEE INDIAN RIVER DRIVE VISITS BECOME OUR RACETRACK. IT'S A 13 MILE LONG RACETRACK THROUGH 600 PEOPLE'S FRONT YARDS. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. I'D LIKE TO BRING THAT PERSPECTIVE TO YOU ALL. THERE ARE 600 PARCELS ON THAT ROAD IN 13 MILES. THERE IS A DRIVEWAY EVERY 80 TO 120 FEET. WITH THE DRIVEWAY COMES A MAILBOX, TRASH CANS, AND OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE CHARACTERISTICS -- CHARACTERISTICS OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND YOU LIVE THERE I USED TO RIDE THE BUS WITH YOUR DAUGHTERS. AND SO, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE SEE OURSELVES THE END YOU'VE GOT TO ASK YOURSELF, WHY IS THE FASTEST ROUTE FROM POINT A TO POINT B THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD? HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? THE SPEED LIMIT SHOULD BE 25. THAT'S THE STATE STANDARDS FOR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS A SPEED LIMIT OF 25 MILE PER HOUR. WE HAVE 35 MILES PER HOUR AND PEOPLE ARE BLOWING THROUGH THEY ARE DOING 50, 60, 80. THE YOUNG MAN WHO LOST HIS LIFE A FEW WEEKS AGO, I'VE HEARD HE WAS DOING A NEIGHBORHOOD AT 80 MILES AN HOUR. I HAVE HAD -- THE VERY NIGHT I MOVED INTO MY HOUSE I HAD SOMEONE DIE TWO HOUSES SOUTH OF ME. WE HAD A MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT LAST YEAR -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GENTLEMAN, BUT IT WAS THE SAME SITUATION. SPEEDING, PASSING. IT'S DIFFICULT TO POLICE THIS ROAD. I'M SURE YOU KNOW. THERE'S NOWHERE TO PULL PEOPLE OVER EVEN IF YOU DO OTHER THAN PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE PERSON WAS BEING PULLED OVER RUNNING OVER SOMEBODY SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND THE RESIDENTS ARE COMPLAINING. IT TAKES RESOURCES AND MONEY TO DO THESE THINGS. AND I BELIEVE THAT ENFORCEMENT WILL HELP, BUT WHAT

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REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TRAFFIC CALMING. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A PENIS AND HIGHWAY PEOPLE ARE NOT ABLE TO ENJOY IT. THEY WANT TO RIDE THE ROAD FOR THE SCENIC NATURE OF IT, BUT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS TAILGATING THEM.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU. >> WELCOME.

>> I CAME HERE TO TALK ABOUT. >> YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS

PLEASE, MA'AM? >> ALICE LEWIS. 322 NORTH 17TH

STREET. >> THANK YOU.

>> IT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO THAT I CAME HERE TO ASK OF THE PARK NAMED AFTER MR. RUFUS ALEXANDER JUNIOR I WAS SUPPOSED TO TALK WITH THE MAYOR AT THAT TIME, BUT HE WOULD NEVER GET BACK IN TOUCH WITH ME. BUT OF COME TO SAY ABOUT MR. RUFUS HAVING HIS NAME ON THE PARK BECAUSE HE -- IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM THERE WOULD BE NO PART. IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM THE KIDS WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN GOT UP THERE TO GET THE PARK BECAUSE HE STOOD OUT THERE AND SAID TO KIDS, WHILE THE KIDS CAME BACK, IT WAS SADIE, PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WHEN THEY DID THE PIONEER PARK NAME, IT WAS BECAUSE MR. RUFUS WAS JUST TOO PROUD TO WANT THE PARK NAMED AFTER HIM. BUT THE PARK REALLY SHOULD BE NAMED AFTER HIM BECAUSE OF IT WASN'T FOR HIM, AND WAS LIKE THE OTHER PIONEERS THAT DISAPPEARED OUR KNOW WHAT THEY DID, BUT WE NEVER SEEN HIM. I DON'T SAY THEY DIDN'T MAYBE DID SOMETHING MONEYWISE OR WHAT, BUT WE NEVER SEE THEM OUT THERE PICKING UP A STICK. PICKING UP TRASH BOTTLES AND CANS. IT WAS THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CHILDREN. WHEN THEY FINISHED, WE COOKED FOR THEM AND FED THEM. AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE NAMED AFTER HIM.

THAT'S ALL HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.

>> MY NAME IS SHIRLEY KIRBY. AND I'M HERE IN REFERENCE TO THE PARK BEING RENAMED AFTER MR. RUFUS ALEXANDER JUNIOR. AT THAT TIME, WHEN MR. LEWIS CAME AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, THEY SAID -- THEY TALKED ABOUT THE PIONEERS, PIONEERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND TAKEN THE PAVERS AND PUTTING NAMES DOWN. BUT I'M HERE ASKING YOU ALL TO CONSIDER THE OVERHEAD OF PUTTING MR. RUFUS ALEXANDER JUNIOR NAME DOWN. RIGHT THERE YOU SEE WHERE HE WAS GIVEN THE PROCLAMATION BACK IN 2000? OF NOVEMBER? OKAY. THIS IS ONLY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MR. RUFUS WAS RESPONSIBLE OF DOING. YOU SEE SERVED 26 YEARS IN THE ARMY. HE COULD'VE LIVED ANYWHERE HE WANTED TO AFTER HE CAME BACK TO FORT PIERCE. BUT HE MADE HIS RESIDENCE RIGHT THERE ON THE NORTHWEST SECTION OF 29TH STREET, SURROUNDED BY THE PROJECTS. HE DID A LOOK AT THE AREA. HE JUST WANTED TO BE IN SOMEWHERE WHERE HE WOULD BE EFFECTIVE. AND HE WAS IN OUR COMMUNITY. HE WAS THERE -- HE WAS THEY ARE -- HE WAS CAUSE FOR THE PARK BEING PLACED THERE. I'LL TELL YOU THIS, MY MOTHER LOST MANY NIGHTS OF SLEEP WATCHING OUT THE WINDOW OR GOING OUTDOORS TO WATCH OVER MR. RUFUS WHEN THOSE KIDS CAME IN THE PARK. AND WERE OUT THERE AFTER HOURS. HE WOULD BE THERE. MY MOTHER WOULD GET UP AND GO OUTSIDE AND WATCH AND MAKE SURE HE WOULD BE OKAY. THE NIGHT THAT THEY BURN THAT PAVILION DOWN, MR. RUFUS WAS OUT THERE CHASING THE CHILDREN. THIS IS WHAT HE DID. HE LOVED HIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND HE NOT ONLY TALKED ABOUT IT, HE HAD ACTION. HE SHOWED HIS LOVE FOR THE COMMUNITY. HE LIVED THERE.

IT WASN'T WHAT HE SAID, IT WAS WHAT HE DID. HE LIVED THERE. HE WAS OUT THERE HE COMMUNICATED WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THE CHILDREN. HE MADE AN IMPACT. IT WOULD BE AN INJUSTICE NOT TO PUT HIS NAME ON THE OVERHEAD. THE PAVERS FIND TO PUT THE OTHER'S NAME

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DOWN ON AND PUT SOME OF THEIR HISTORY DOWN, BUT I'M ASKING YOU ALL TO CONSIDER PUTTING HIS NAME ON THAT OVER HOW WHERE IT SAYS NORTHWEST PIONEER PARK BECAUSE THEY NOT ONLY DESERVE IT, HE PROVED HIMSELF TO BE LOYAL TO THE COMMUNITY. HE COULD'VE LIVED ANYWHERE BUT IT SHOWS THAT AREA. AND I'M GRATEFUL HE WAS A NEIGHBOR -- HE WAS A NEIGHBOR LOVED BY THE WHOLE COMMUNITY OVER THERE. HE MADE SURE HE WENT OUT KNOCKED ON DOORS AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE WERE REGISTERED TO VOTE. HE DID ALL OF THEM. SO YOU SEE, BUT HE DID NOT WANT TO BE PRAISED. I COULD EVEN COME WITHOUT HIM STANDING BY THE ROAD. HE WAS OUT THERE SOMETIME 7:30 AM WAITING ON ME FOR LEAVE SO HE COULD DELIVER LETTERS TO THE MAILBOX. YOU SEE YOU GO AROUND TO COURT PINS HAS TO TAKE A LETTER THAT HE DRAFTED HIM. HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HER COMMUNITY AND WHAT ARE -- WHERE WE WERE GOING. PLEASE CONSIDER PUTTING HIS NAME ON THE OVERHEAD. HE DESERVES IT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYBODY ELSE. >> TO HAVE ANYBODY ELSE? COME

ON. >> WELCOME. SIGNING, PLEASE.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM AND COMMISSIONERS, FIRST, I JUST WANT TO STAY.

>> NAME? >> I'M SORRY CARLA ELIZONDO.

I'M GOING TO BE UP HERE TWICE. FIRST IS A CONCERNED CITIZEN AND SECOND, I'LL COME UP AS A

BUSINESS. >> ONE TIME.

>> ONLY ONE. OH GAIL TRYING GET ALL OF THE SIN THEN?

>> SO FIRST OF ALL, WHEN WE DISCUSSED TODAY ABOUT THE NO WAKE ZONE, WE -- AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN, WHO USES JC PARK, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE'VE GONE FROM NOTHING TO AT LEAST 500 FEET, BUT AS A CITIZEN, I THINK 500 FEET IS A BIG -- A BIT EXCESSIVE AND ALSO AS A BUSINESS OWNER, USES AND DEMONSTRATES AT JC PARK, IT'S EXCESSIVE. OUR PRODUCT DOES NOT CAUSE A WAY, BUT WERE AFFECTED BY THE WEIGHT -- WAKES THAT THE BOATS IN JET SKIS THAT ARE DISRESPECTFUL. AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND OUT OF THERE ON WATERCRAFT ARE. IT'S -- YOU HAVE A FEW BAD PLAYERS THAT MAKE IT BAD FOR EVERYBODY. SO, THAT BEING SAID, I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE AND THAT WE WILL COME BACK AND REVISIT AFTER -- AFTERWARDS. AS FAR AS OUR BUSINESS, THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS, WE USE TO DEMONSTRATE WERE LISTED AS A MANUFACTURER AND DISTRIBUTED -- DISTRIBUTOR OF PADDLE BOARDS AND WERE LOCATED IN FORT PIERCE. WE ARE THE NATIONAL DISTRIBUTOR. WE DISTRIBUTE FOR U.S. CANADA, AND MEXICO. THAT BEING SAID, OUR BUSINESS BRINGS IN A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND THE BUSINESSES.

HERE ARE PEOPLE THAT COME IN TO SEE US TO BECOME OUR RESELLERS AND ALSO PURCHASE OUR PRODUCT AT SOME POINT. THEY STAY IN HOTELS IN THE RESTAURANTS. WE BRING REVENUE. WE ARE GLAD TO BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH FORT PIERCE IN THAT MANNER. BUT, WE DO NEED MORE CLARIFICATION ON SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THERE IS -- THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT IS SPECIFIC TO EVENTS. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE CLEARLY DEFINED IN THE TIME PERIOD WAS.

I KNOW IS MENTIONED 30, 60, 90 DAYS TO A YEAR. BUT WHAT IS NOT CLEARLY IDENTIFIED IS THE -- THE REQUIREMENTS, THE COST AND HOW THOSE -- THOSE ITEMS WILL BE ENFORCED. AND ENFORCEMENT, AGAIN, JUST REAL QUICK, AND NO CODE ENFORCEMENT IS HERE. WE'VE GOT THE POLICE AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. THEY'VE ALL -- WE USE MAINLY JC PARK BECAUSE IT'S THE SAFEST PLACE TO OPERATOR EQUIPMENT. THERE ARE SAFETY ISSUES INVOLVED, BUT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CODE ENFORCEMENT HAVE DIFFICULTY IN CONTROLLING THE AREA BECAUSE THE VIOLATIONS HAPPEN WHEN PEOPLE DO NOT SEE A UNIFORM AROUND. SO MAYBE AN UNIFORMED WOULD HELP.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOUR COMMENTS? >> WELCOME. STATE YOUR NAME

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AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU GET DONE SIGNING IN, PLEASE?

>> OPERATOR OF SALTY WATER SPORTS. I LIKE COMING TO THESE TWO STAY IN THE KNOW WITH WHAT IS GOING ON IN FORT PIERCE AND JUST ADDRESSING THE 500 FOOT RULE. I AGREE.

IT IS PRETTY EXCESSIVE. IT'S PRETTY FAR OUT THERE. I THINK THE AREA IS FINE BUT LIKE SHE MENTIONED THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO RUIN IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. THERE'S A COUPLE BAD APPLES THAT OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DO CORRECTLY ON THE WATERCRAFT AND SO WE RENTED JET SKIS. LOCALLY AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF OUR PROCESS WE LET PEOPLE OUT BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THE 14-YEAR-OLD. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT THAT'S AFTER THEY TAKE A TEMPORARY VOTING LICENSE AND SIGNED BY A PARENT AND RIDING WITH THE PARENT ON THE BACK. THERE'S A LOT OF SAFETY THINGS THAT WE GO OVER AND I WANT TO MAKE YOU GUYS AWARE OF THAT. BECAUSE WE GET CALLS ALL THE TIME PEOPLE SAY YOU'RE JET SKIS AROUND HERE AND THERE ALMOST HITTING KIDS AND IT'S LIKE WE ARE CLOSED TODAY. THOSE ARE NOT OUR JET SKIS MAKE YOU GUYS AWARE THAT EVERY JET SKI IS NOT A SOUL THESE JET SKIS. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEM I WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THEIR PROCESS. WE GO OVER A MAP JUST LIKE THE ONE THERE. THEY HAVE TO STAY 300 FEET OFF OF ALL LAND AND ALL MAIN ROADS. THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE WATER. WHEN WE SEND THEM OUT WE HAVE A MARSHAL/PATROL SKI THAT GUIDES THEM OUT THERE AND THEY SIT IN THE MIDDLE. A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST ME OUT OF THERE. A LOT OF TIMES I PULL UP ON JC PARK SO I GO AND SIT IN THE PARK AND WATCH THE PEOPLE. IF THEY COME CLOSE O'CLOCK OR MAKE SURE THEY STAY BACK. SO WE MAKE SURE -- WE TAKE A $300 DEPOSIT AND WE SAY IF YOU ENCROACH OVER A JC PARKER IF YOU GET WITHIN 300 FEET WE TAKE YOUR DEPOSIT. SO SAFETY IS OUR CONCERN THAT'S WHY I'M COOL WITH THIS. THAT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR BUSINESS. AS LONG AS YOU MARKET CORRECTLY WE OBEY IT. WHEN YOU SAY 500 FEET TO THE NORMAL PERSON UNLESS YOU POINT TO SOMETHING 500 FEET AWAY THEY HAVE NO CONCEPT ESPECIALLY ON WATER. JUST SO YOU KNOW OUR MAIN CONCERN AT SALTYS IS SAFETY. AND ALL THE BAD APPLES THAT HANG AROUND JC PARKER JET SEES I'VE SEEN THE PEOPLE WEAVING IN AND OUT. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE TRY TO SPLASH. I'VE SEEN ALL OF THAT. THOSE ARE NOT OUR PEOPLE AND THAT IS FROWNED UPON. I STAND BEHIND EVERYONE WHO WANTS A NO WAKE ZONE. I GET IT. BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW AND ANYONE THAT IS HERE THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A JET SKI, IT'S NOT A SALTYS JET SKI. AND AS WELL, I MEAN, WE DID WELL THE LAST TWO YEARS. TOM'S OF PEOPLE THAT VACATION IN VERO AND SURROUNDING AREAS THEY COME TO FORT PIERCE TO RIDE JET SKIS. WERE THE ONLY ONES THE AREA THAT DO IT IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE FORT PIERCE AND I LOVE MY CITY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> ,NO. >> I SAT TOO LONG.

>> GOOD MORNING. MAYOR PRO TEM COMMISSIONERS ON LISA POTTER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU. I'M HERE TO THANK YOU FOR PASSING THAT NO WAKE ZONE ORDINANCE, TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE AND TO IMPLORE YOU TO GIVE IT A CHANCE BEFORE REOPENING THIS ISSUE. THIS IS A LIFE-AND-DEATH ISSUE. IT WAS DECEMBER 2018 WHEN I FIRST CAME BEFORE YOU. ON THIS VERY ISSUE. LAST WINTER AND SPRING I SENT YOU SEVERAL EMAILS, YOU PROBABLY HATE TO HEAR AND SEE MY NAME AT THIS POINT. I SENT YOU EMAILS WITH PHOTOS AND VIDEOS OF THE DANGEROUS CONDITIONS AT JC PARK AND I HAVE TO BELIEVE THE OTHER SIDE YOU DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE AS WELL. MR. JOHNSON IN FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR YOU IN YOUR COLLEGE SON WERE OUT AT JC PARK ONE WEEKEND AND YOU CAME TO THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING ON FEBRUARY 19 AND STATED -- ADMITTED -- AND I WILL QUOTE "THAT THE SITUATION AT JC PARK IS KIND OF AN EMERGENCY." THAT

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HAS NOT CHANGED. I HAVE BEEN AT JC FOR LONG VISITS TWICE RECENTLY SATURDAY, JANUARY 25 AND YESTERDAY. ON THE 25TH BOATERS, JET SKIERS, SWIMMERS IT WAS A LOVELY AND PLEASANT DAY NOT A SINGLE ISSUE. I WAS NEVER CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY THAT DAY. YESTERDAY THAT WAS NOT THE CASE AND I'M KICKING MYSELF FOR NOT TAKING PICTURES AND VIDEO. IT WAS -- THERE WERE SEVEN JET SKIS. SOME WERE GREAT BUT SOME WERE OPERATED FRANKLIN -- BRINKLEY RECKLESSLY. THERE WAS A WOMAN SWIMMING LAPS I'M GOING TO ASSUME IT WAS HER HUSBAND BUT I'D LIKE TO SAY HER BODYGUARD WAS THERE. HE HAD TO JUMP UP AND YELL AT SOMEONE TO GET OUT OF THE SWIMMING AREA WHO WAS APPROACHING THE WOMAN SWIMMING AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED. FOR THOSE WHO SAY THE PEOPLE ARE SWIMMING BOMB HERE TO TELL YOU THE PEOPLE COMPLAINING I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT'S NOT TRUE. YOU DON'T KNOW IF I SWIM OR NOT AND HERE I AM BEFORE YOU. I WILL TELL YOU THAT I WAS NOT SWIMMING YESTERDAY WHEN THOSE MEN WERE ON THEIR JET SKIS LAYING ON THEIR STOMACHS WITH THEIR FEET BEHIND THEM DOING DONUTS AT THE SWIMMING AREA INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO FLY OFF THEIR JETSKI AND LETTING THEIR JETSKI GOES FORWARD. IT WAS WAY TOO DANGEROUS. IF YOU THINK THAT THE JET SKIS ARE NOT GOING FAST ALREADY GREATER THAN 500 FEET UP THE PARK, YOU'RE MISTAKEN.

THEY ARE THE GOING CLOSER TO 500 AND A WAY -- I'M GONNA RUN OUT OF TIME. AND EVEN IF THEY WERE OUTSIDE THE SWIMMING AREA THERE ENDANGERING CITIZENS AND BOATERS. THERE DOING THIS RECKLESS STUFF WHERE BOATS ARE TRYING TO LAUNCH AND COME BACK IN. LET'S SEE. WE HEARD ASSERTED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SECOND BOAT THAT WE HAD NOT TRIED EDUCATING IT. I WANT TO REMIND YOU WE DID TRY EDUCATION. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD THEIR GIGANTIC LIGHTED SIGN UP LAST YEAR FOR TWO MONTHS AND WE HAD INCREASED POLICE PRESENCE. WE SAW SOME IMPROVEMENT BUT IT WASN'T LONG LASTED. THE PUBLIC NEEDS CONTINUAL REMINDER ABOUT THE SITUATION AND THE SIGNS IN THE WATER THIS ORDINANCE WILL DO THAT. THANK YOU.

> THANK YOU. COME FORWARD? >>.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

>> TEACHER NAME PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS RON ALWYN. I LEFT THIS CHAMBER A WHILE BACK AFTER YOU HAD ALL DECIDED TO ENFORCE -- OR TO IMPLEMENT THE 500 FOOT BUFFER ZONE FROM THE BEACH TO WHERE YOU COULD HAVE AWAKE. ANYTHING WITHIN THAT WAS A NO WAKE ZONE. YET HERE WE ARE, BACK ADDRESSING THE SAME SITUATION AGAIN. AND I WOULD VENTURE A GUESS THAT WE ARE HERE BECAUSE A GROUP OF PERSONAL WATERCRAFT OWNERS COMPLAINED AND TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE -- TO THOSE PEOPLE I SAY 500 FEET IS 500 FEET. IT'S NOT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MOON. AND HOW YOU CAN STAND ON THE BEACH AND TELL WHERE 500 FEET IS WITHOUT A BUOY BEING OUT THERE, I WISH THEY WOULD SHOW ME HOW TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT TRICK. THEY DRAW THREE INCHES OF WATER. SO, DEPTH OF THE WATER IS NOT AN ISSUE.

THEY COMPLAINED EARLIER THAT THE WATER GETS SHALLOWER FARTHER OUT, WHICH IT DOES.

WHEN YOUR DRAWING THREE INCHES OF WATER, YOUR NEW DRAGON BOTTOM.

>> I WOULD ALSO AS THE COMMISSION TO KEEP THIS IN PLACE. YOU HAVE A CHOICE TO DO THAT I'M LOSING MY NOTES. FROM YOUR PREVIOUS DECISION, OR LUBRICATE THE WHEELS. SQUEAKY WHEELS ARE NOT ONLY FOUND ON JETSKI TRAILERS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WELCOME. SIGN IN.

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>> PHILIP REGULAR MAYOR PRO TEM, COMMISSIONERS, MR. SIMS. A COUPLE THINGS.

>> YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD EXCUSED.

>> PHIL SCHREIBER I SAID QUICKLY. (LAUGHING).

>> I MISSED IT. THAT'S OKAY. >> JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. I APPRECIATE THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE COME OUT TO THE PARK TO TAKE A LOOK, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT. IT IS A SNAPSHOT. UNLUCKY, UNLIKE YOU I'M RETIRED. I SPENT THREE OR FOUR DAYS A WEEK OUT THERE. SO I SEE IT CONSTANTLY. THERE ARE GREAT DAYS AS A LADY SAID BEFORE AND HORRIBLE DAYS. IT'S A DIFFERENT SNAPSHOT EVERY DAY YOU'RE OUT THERE. I THINK YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT OF THE 500 FEET. IT'S NOT JUST TO PROTECT THE SWIMMING AREA, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS. THE REST OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE PARK ARE ALSO FRAGILE. THEIR KAYAKERS, THEIR PADDLE BORDERS, AND MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE WITHIN THE 500 FEET. VERY FEW GO FURTHER THAN THAT. AND I CAN SET UP THERE AND I CAN SEE JET SKIS FLYING AROUND WAY PAST 500 FEET. I KNOW THEY FUNCTION OUT THERE. I THINK YOU MISSED THE POINT OF THE 500 FEET.

IT'S NOT JUST THE SWIMMING AREA THAT'S BEING PROTECTED IT'S THE OTHER MULTI-USES OF THE PARK THAT HAVE TO BE PROTECTED. NUMBER TWO, THIS IS JUST A PERSONAL OPINION. A JETSKI IS A MOTORCYCLE ON WATER. THEY GO FAST. PEOPLE HAVE FUN WITH THEM BUT NONE OF YOU WOULD SET UP A PLAYGROUND INSIDE OF MOTORCYCLE OR BMX TRACK OR DAYTONA 500 SO WHY ARE WE PUTTING OUR WATER PLAYGROUND NEXT TO A MOTORCYCLE TRACK? AND THIRDLY, I MOVED HERE FROM COLORADO. WE HAVE A LOT MORE SNOWMOBILES THAN WE DO JET SKIS AND A JETSKI -- A SNOWMOBILE IS LIKE A JETSKI ALL THOUGH IT'S OPERATE ON SNOW. COMMISSIONER VARONA MADE A SUGGESTION THE FUTURE TO HAVE A SEPARATE JETSKI PARK AND I CAN TELL YOU THEY DO THAT IN COLORADO. YOU DON'T HAVE SNOWMOBILES ON THE SAME SLOPES AS SKIERS. THEY KEEP THEM SEPARATE. AND EVEN SKIED THE -- SKIERS THAT ARE DAREDEVILS THEY'RE NOT ON THE SLOPES WITH THE EVERYDAY COMMON SKIER. THEY GO TO A BLACK DIAMOND DOREY DOUBLE BLACK DIAMOND SLOPE. THERE'S A SEPARATION OF SPEED FROM FAMILY USAGE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE WAKE ZONE. I LEARNED A LITTLE BIT HISTORY ABOUT THE PIONEER PARK TODAY. MAYBE A COMPROMISE WOULD BE ALEXANDER'S PART. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO BE HEARD? MOVING ON,

[6. City Commission Boards and Committees Updates]

>> NEXT WE HAVE CITY COMMISSION BOARD AND COMMITTEE UPDATES.

>> WELL, SINCE WE ARE DOWN TO THREE OF US, ALMOST WISH WE COULD WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO GIVE A REPORT, OTHERWISE IT'S FOUR KNOTS. IS THAT OKAY?

>> LET'S DO IT. >> OKAY. ANY COMMENT?

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> NO, SIR.

>> I'M GOOD.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.