[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:06] I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE STAND FOR THE OPENING PRAYER REVEREND PAULINE WILLIAMS AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> GREETINGS. LET US BOW OUR HEAD AND PRAY. I COME TO PETITION TO THE FATHER IN THIS PANDEMIC AND AS YOU LIKE UPON OUR LEADERS AS WE GO THROUGH THESE TRIALS WE THANK YOU, FATHER, FOR THE KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING FOR THESE SEASONSCH WHICH ASK YOU TO LIKE POP OUR MAYOR, POLICEMEN -- THE COMMISSIONER THE CHIEF THE SHERIFF AND STAFF AND THEIR FAMILY AS THEIR ALSO ON THE FRONT LINE. BLESS SANE LIESH SHALL COUNTY AS WE GO FORTH THE REST OF THIS YEAR -- SAINT LIESH SHALL. KEEP US LIFTED UP THAT WE MAY HAVE WORDS OF END KURNG MEANT FOR OTHERS. I PRAY THAT THESE WORDS BE RECEIVED ALL THOSE IN THE HEARTS OF EVERYONE UNDER THE SOUND OF MY VOICE. IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. >> AMEN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] FROM THE JULY 20TH, 2020 REGULAR MEETING. >> MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. KEPT ON FILE IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE -- WE RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM JODIE IN APPRECIATION OF [a. Email from Dodi Spence in appreciation of Police Officers McNeal and Anton's excellent service when assisting her sister.] POLICE OFFICERS MCNEAL AND AN TONS EXCELLENT SERVICE WHEN ASSISTING HER SISTER AND SOCIAL [b. Social media posts in recognition of Solid Waste Driver Latosha German's efficent, excellent hard work.] MEDIA POSTS IN RECOGNITION OF SOLID WASTE DRIVER LATASHA GERMAN APPS EFFICIENT EXCELLENT HARD WORK. WE HAD NO ONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK UNDER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC SO WE'LL MOVE ONTO ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA AND APLACED VAL OF THE AGENDA. [9. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA] >> IS THERE ANYONE WHO -- APPROVAL AND. >> I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I'VE GOT AN ITEM THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA. THERE'S BEEN SOME RECENT EVENTS AT LEAST FROM MY UNDERSTANDING ANYWAY REGARDING A SITUATION OF THE NAVY SEALS MUSEUM WHERE THERE WAS SOME BEHAVIOR THAT TOOK APPLAUSE THAT FOR THE MOST PART I THOUGHT WAS A PART OF THE 40S AND THE 50S IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENED AND TO FIND OUT THAT THAT WAS AN AGENCY THAT IS BEING FUNDED BY THE T D.C. IT JUST REALLY REALLY GRABBED MY ATTENTION -- BECAUSE IF IN FACT THAT IS THE CASE THEN THAT SIMPLY MEANS THAT THE TAXPAYERS ARE FUNDING THIS PARTICULAR AGENCY WITH TAXPAYERS MONEY BEHIND SOMETHING AS HANG USE AS WHAT I SAW -- HANEY USE. AND I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON OUR CITY COMMISSION AS A MATTER OF FACT I THINK THAT WE HAVE ONE CITY COMMISSIONER THAT SITS ON THAT BOARD AS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CITY ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY AND BEING THE TAXING AGENCY THROUGH THE T D.C. WE NEED TO ADDRESS WHAT IF ANYTHING THIS COMMISSION SHOULD DO IN THAT REGARDS -- SO WITHOUT PROLONGING THE TIME I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS COMMISSION TO ADDRESS THAT AND THAT'S MY REQUEST TO HAVE IT APPLAUSED ON OUR CITY COMMISSION AGENDA -- APPLAUSED IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE HAVE THIS [00:05:02] EVENING MAYOR THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER. >> I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. I JUST WISH WE HAD MORE MATERIAL OTHER THAN EACH INDIVIDUAL READING A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE OR SEEING A BLOG. I WHOA I LIKE BEING INFORMED BEFORE I DISCUSS SOMETHING ESPECIALLY WHEN IT INVOLVES THE COUNTY AND SOME OF OUR PARTNERS OUT THERE ALSO. I MEAN I HAVE NO PROBLEM DISCUSSING IT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THAT. >> IN RESPONSE TO THAT I'M JUST LIKE YOU. HOWEVER WHEN I SEE NEWS AGENCIES SUCH AS NATIONAL NEWS AGENCIES CNN THE LIST JUST GOES ON AND ON AND ON WITH THE NEWS AND I HAVE TO RELY UPON AT THIS POINT WHO THE SOURCE IS AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO INCLUDE IT AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE I LIKE YOU I WANT SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED TOO. AND THERE'S SOME INDIVIDUALS IN THE ROOM HERE THAT THEY CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR PURPOSES OF A DISCUSSION SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. >> COMMISSIONER. >> YEAH I'M LOOKING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE SUBJECT MATTER. I WAS DOING SOME RESEARCH TODAY TRYING TO FIND OUT INFORMATION. I RECEIVED A FEW E-MAILS SO BE HAPPY TO BRING IT ON DISCUSSION. THE OTHER PART ABOUT THE AGENDA IS 13-D COMMISSIONER YOU PROPOSED AN ORDINANCE I DON'T SEE ANY ATTACHMENTS AND I DON'T HAVE ANY BACK UP INFORMATION. I FEEL THE SAME WAY. IF IT'S A DISCUSSION ITEM THAT'S ONE THING. WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON IT FOR AT A PREVIOUS COMMISSION MEETING FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND HALF AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S CHANGED OR WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION TO THAT ITEM. >> WELL, I CAN ADDRESS THAT NOW DO YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS THAT NOW OR WAIT TILL WE GET TO THE ITEM ITSELF? BECAUSE IT IS ON THE AGENDA. I MEAN WHAT'S THE WILL OF THIS COMMISSION HERE? DO YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS THAT OR DO YOU WANT ME TO WAIT UNTIL THE ITEM COMES UP. >> COMMISSIONERS? >> WELL FOR ME IT'S MATTER OF BEING PREPARED FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE PREPARED ALSO FOR ORDINANCES IF IT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION I THINK WE BROUGHT IT UP AT A COMMISSION MEETING AND CONFERENCE AGENDA ALSO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT STANDS. DO WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE PREPARED? I'M NOT PREPARED TO DISCUSS THAT TODAY. >> NEITHER AM I AND THAT'S WHY I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS SIT, SIR. WITH REGARDS TO THAT -- PARTICULAR ITEM AND FILL THE COMMISSION IN ON THAT. >> BACK ON THE FIRST SUBJECT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST TO YOU IS I JUST BECAME AWARE OF THIS TODAY MYSELF AND I THINK THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY DISCUSS IT AT THE CONFERENCE AGENDA. I JUST THINK TONIGHT IS A LONG AGENDA AND WE HAVE A LOT TO GO THROUGH AND I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S A REAL PRESSING ITEM TONIGHT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST MAYBE THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO THEN WE CAN HAVE BACK UP INFORMATION WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SITUATION. >> WELL, MAYOR. >> OR YOU CAN BRING IT UP DURING YOUR COMMISSION REPORT. >> WELL NO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AGAIN UNLIKE YOU I FEEL IT'S VERY VERY VERY VITAL BECAUSE NUMBER 1 THE NATURE AND THE CONTENTS OF WHAT HAPPENED AND THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID ARE SOME OF THE MOST SHOCK KINGS THING THAT I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN SITTING ON THIS COMMISSION -- AND AGAIN THE INDIVIDUALS ARE HERE IN THE ROOM TODAY WITH REGARDS TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR CITY MANAGER THAT MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS SO WE CAN LATER ADDRESS IT AND NOT AT A CONFERENCE AGENDA BUT A REGULAR MEETING AND IT'S IMPERATIVE AND THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP IN MY OPINION. I HOPE YOU RESPECT THAT. IT'S IMPERATIVE WE DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IF IN FACT A PORTION OF WHAT I SAW HAPPENS TO BE TRUE ONE SENTENCE OF I HEARD HAPPENS TO BE TRUE IT'S A SHAME AND A DISGRACE THAT WE AS POLICY MAKERS WOULD SIT HERE AND LET IT GO UNTALKED ABOUT. SO I THINK AGAIN JUST FOR PURPOSES OF INFORMATION NOT SAYING YOU NEED TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS BUT FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES SILENCE IS NOT AN OPTION FOR ME NOT ONE MORE DAY LET ALONE ANOTHER MEETING. >> WELL I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I THINK IT CAN BE HANDLED ON YOUR COMMISSION REMARKS. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I'LL BE WILLING TO MAKE THAT [00:10:07] MOTION. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> WHAT IS THE MOTION? >> THAT WE ADD THIS ITEM AS I INDICATED EARLIER AS SOMETHING FOR DISCUSSION ADDED ITEM TO OUR AGENDA. >> MR. ALEXANDER ARE YOU SECOND CONNING THAT. >> YES, I DID AND -- MAKING A COMMENT ON THAT. YOU KNOW THERE'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN A FUNDRAISER LAST YEAR AND YOU TELL ME THAT THIS NONSENSE COULD GO TO A WHOLE YEAR WITHOUT ANYONE. I JUST RECEIVED IT TODAY AND WHEN I RECEIVED IT I CALLED TO MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST MY COMMISSIONERS GET A COPY OF IT SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT YOU-ALL GOT BUT WHATEVER IT IS I DONE APPRECIATE IT NUMBER 1 BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS. AND NUMBER 2 IF THIS WHOLE YEAR BEFORE SOMEONE CAN COME BRING THIS FORWARD I THINK THAT'S AN AS FAR AS. SO, YES -- I SECOND THAT MOTION FOR TONIGHT. >> MAYOR I GOT A COMMENT. WHEN I REVIEWED THE AGENDA AND I LIKE THROUGH THE ITEMS IN THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY I FEEL LIKE WE RESERVE IN THIS CASE IT'S THE CITY COMMISSION ITEMS THAT WE'RE VOTING ON TO BE JUST THAT. THE ITEMS WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD IS THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY TO VOTE ON THEM. I THINK ANYTHING CAN BE BROUGHT UP IN DISCUSSION. ANY POINT. YOU KNOW AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST WAY IS TO DO IT BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT THAT'S PART OF THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY. THAT'S WHY WE TAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION UP FRONT TO TALK ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE'LL BE VOTE UNDERSTANDING ON. THE PUBLIC GETS TO VOTE. EXCUSE ME TO VOICE THEIR OPINION ON THE VOTE. SO THEY BRING FORWARD THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE PRODUCED ON THE AGENDA. AFTER THAT WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THE BUSINESS THAT WE PERFORMED AND THEN WE GET INTO COMMENTS FROM OUR STAFF COMMENTS FROM THIS COMMISSION AND I FEEL LIKE THOSE ITEMS ARE THE MOST APPROPRIATE TIME TO BRING UP AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION. IF IT'S MATTER OF CITY BUSINESS IT WOULD BE A VOTING ITEM BEFORE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AFTER WE DO THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY. SO -- >> WELL COMMISSIONER CAN I SAY THIS. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS AND THEN COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I RESPECT YOU'RE PROTOCOL VISUALSES WHAT'S NOT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES BUT WHAT I OBSERVED AND WHAT I SAW AND HEARD DESERVES SOME IMMEDIATE ATTENTION WHETHER IT BE BY WHICH OF A DISCUSSION OR BY WAY OF A VOTE OF THIS CITY COMMISSION -- AND FOR YOU TO SIT THERE AND ACT AS IF IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT IS NOT VITAL ENOUGH TO BE ADDRESSED FROM THIS PODIUM REALLY DISTURBED ME. I AM SICK AND TIRED AND THE PUBLIC IS SICK AND TIRED OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND THAT BEHAVIOR THAT I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WITNESS TODAY LIKE COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER SAID TO GO UNADDRESSED BY THIS CITY COMMISSION. THANK YOU I'M THROUGH. >> YEAH, MADAM MAYOR. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> I KNOW AT THE END OF THE MEETING WHEN THE STAFF AND LAWYERS AND ALL HAVE THEIR SAY AND THE COMMISSION HAS THEIR SAY WE CAN'T MAILS MAKE A DECISION AT THAT TIME. SO -- WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION. SO THIS IS WHY WE HAVE DELETION AND ADDITIONS OF AGENDA ITEMS SO WE CAN HAVE A SAY AT LEAST GIVE STAFF THE DIRECTIONS IN WHAT WE WISH FOR THEM TO DO WHETHER THEY BRING IT BACK FOR THE NEXT CONFERENCE AGENDA BUT AT LEAST THEY HAVE THE MATERIAL AND STUFF AND FOR ALL I KNOW IT ALL YOU KNOW WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS AT THE END OF THE MEETING WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING AS A COMMISSIONER. YOU KNOW IT'S KIND OF SAD. IT REALLY IS. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY JUST WANT TO TURN EVERYTHING UPSIDE DOWN AND THAT'S WHY THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING BECAUSE THAT KIND OF ATTITUDE. >> I'LL BE GLAD TO BRING THOSE ITEMS UP IN THE DISCUSSION. I'M NOT OVERLOOKING THEM. THEY'RE IMPORTANT ITEMS TO TALK ABOUT. I FEEL LIKE THE BODY CAMERA AND THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EXTENSIVELY. I'LL BE GLAD TO TALK ABOUT IT. I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE TO PUT IT OH UP THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY BECAUSE THE PUBLIC AND MYSELF HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW ANY DOCUMENTATION. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE BUSINESS SECTION OF THE MEETING. SO ITEM 13-D AND THE ADDITIONAL ITEM I CAN'T SUPPORT EXCEPT I CAN SUPPORT IT AND I WILL SUPPORT IT IN THE DISCUSSION WITH THIS COMMISSION SO THAT WE CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS AND DIRECT STAFF FROM THERE. [00:15:05] THANK YOU. >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING. >> GO AHEAD. >> I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER BEEN IN THIS SITUATION BEFORE. I MEAN I RESPECT EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION. SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO BRING FORWARD FOR CITY BUSINESS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT BUT PART OF THAT IS WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO LEAD THIS DYAS WITH DISCUSSION AND PROCESS AND DECISIONS THAT ARE BASED ON FACT. I CALLED THE CITY 3 TIMES TODAY LOOKING FOR THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS ON ITEM 13-D. IT WASN'T THERE. SO I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE WORDING THE MEANING THE INTENTION EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT IT JUST DIDN'T EXIST. SO I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON ON THAT PART. WE'RE WALKING INTO THIS THING. EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT FEEL OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT. OBVIOUSLY THE EMOTIONS ARE RUNNING VERY VERY THICK RIGHT NOW AND THE PROCESS SHOULD BE ONE OF FACTUAL INFORMATION NOT OF PERCEPTION NOT OF WHAT YOU READ IN THE NEWSPAPER AND WE HAVE A BRILLIANT STAFF THAT CAN FIND ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED AND WE NEED TO DELIBERATE FROM THOSE FACTUAL MOMENTS FORWARD AND WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO DO. THIS IF THIS WAS GOING TO BE A SHORT MEETING AND WE COULD WANTED TO FILL IN AN HOUR AND A HALF OR SO-SO BE IT BUT IN RESPECT OF TIME AND WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT RESPECT OF TIME TO KEEP THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH HERE BECAUSE THIS IS A PANDEMIC. EVERYBODY IS OUT HERE. EVERYBODY IS FOOTING THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY. I AGREE THAT THESE ITEMS HERE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORTIVE INFORMATION FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT AND MAKE SOME FORM OF A DIRECTION OR A DECISION TONIGHT. SO I'M SORRY. I WANT TO BE AS RESPECTFUL AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BUT WE HAVE TO ALSO RESPECT THE TIME AND THE TIME THAT FOLKS OUT THERE AND OUR STAFF THE SAME WAY. >> WELL, I'M GOING TO MAKE IT SHORT AND SWEET IN CLOSE BECAUSE I SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING. I HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER HERE IF I SAY THE WALL IS BLACK HE'S GOING TO SAY IT'S BLUE JUST BECAUSE I SAID IT'S BLACK. I HAVE OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT DO NOT FEEL THAT THIS ISSUE THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE ON A BUILDING IN AN AGENCY THAT HAS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ON IT THAT IS BEING PAID FOR IN TERMS OF THE OPERATIONS OF THAT AGENCY WITH TAXPAYERS MONEY HOW DARE YOU SIT HERE AND UNDERMINE A DISCUSSION WITH REGARDS TO PERHAPS GIVING STAFF INSTRUCTIONS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY THE MEDIA IF IT IS IN FACT A FACT SO BE IT. BUT WE NEED TO GIVE OUR STAFF INSTRUCTIONS IN TERMS OF HOW TO PROCEED WITH THIS. AND JUST LIKE I SAT HERE TO ALMOST 1:00 IN THE MORNING ABOUT 2 MONTHS AGO DEALING WITH CUMBERLAND FARMS ON THE BEACH. I WOULD HOPE THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WOULD THINK THAT THIS DESERVES JUST AS MUCH ATTENTION OR MORE THAN THAT. AND I HATE TO BE PLACED IN THESE KINDS OF POSITIONS BUT I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS GOVERNING BODY JUST ACTING AS IF BUSINESS IS BUSINESS AS USUAL. REST ASSURED AS I TOLD THE REPORTER WHAT'S DIFFERENT THIS TIME IS THAT IT'S ELECTION TIME AND WE ALL WILL HAVE TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT AT LEAST 3 OF US AND I'M THROUGH WITH THAT. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS I JUST WANT TO SAY FINALLY THAT I THINK THAT I SAW WHAT I SAW TODAY IS VERY IMPORTANT AND VERY IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT BUT IT ISN'T GOING TO BE CHANGED TONIGHT OR ANY TIME SOON BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED. SO IT CAN BE ADDRESSED AT ANOTHER TIME AND SO IF WE'RE READY NOW WE CAN CALL THE ROLL. >> OK YES >> JUST LIKE I THOUGHT 3-2. >> COMMISSIONER. [00:20:10] >> YES MAYOR I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO REMOVE 13-D. >> SECOND. >> AND I'M GOING TO SECOND IT FOR A DISCUSSION. AS FAR AS THAT ITEM IS CONCERNED THERE'S A POLICY IN THE POLICE BODY CAMERA PROCEDURE THAT PERTAINS TO REPORTS INVOLVING BODY CAMERAS AND I WILL BE REQUESTING THE LAST 2 MONTHS OF ANY REPORTS OF THAT NATURE IN ORDER TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT WARRANTS BODY CAMERAS. SO FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES YOU WILL SEE IT AGAIN, SIR. AND YOU WILL NOT PUT A GAG IN MY MATH NOT AS LONG AS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS I'M HAVING A DISCUSSION IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU. YOU WILL IN FACT SEE IT AGAIN UNLESS I GET SOME ORDER FROM THE GOVERNOR BECAUSE THE CHARTER ALLOWS ME TO BRING IT UP. SO AGAIN AFTER I MAKE THAT REQUEST OF STAFF I WILL BE BRINGING IT BACK BEFORE THIS COMMISSION. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ON THIS MOTION? OK. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. 13-D. >> YEAH OK. >> WE STILL NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED. >> MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AS AMENDED. >> SECOND. >> THE MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. [a. Discussion and direction regarding the future of the city's scooter share program following a 12-month pilot.] DIRECTION REGARDING THE FUTURE OF THE CITY'S SCOOTER SHARE PROGRAM FOLLOWING A 12 MONTH PILOT. >> MR. MIMS. >> YES, MA'AM. MR. MATSON: MADAM MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION -- TONIGHT WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF SUPER PEDESTRIAN. IT'S NAME OF THE FIRM THAT HAS NOW TAKEN OVER THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND OPERATIONAL TASK FROM OUR ORIGINAL VENDOR AND THAT WAS ZACH SISTER. ZACH SISTER CAME TO US A YEAR AGO -- AND BROUGHT TO US A CONCEPT AND THAT CONCEPT WAS TO BRING ABOUT RECREATIONAL SCHWINN AND TRANSPORTATION -- ROCK AREA SHIN MICRO MOBILITY TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THEY CAME RIGHT HERE AT THIS TABLE AND THEY PRESENTED TO YOU AND YOU-ALL DECIDED AT THAT TIME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PILOT PROGRAM AND THAT PILOT PROGRAM WAS GOING EXTEND FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR. AND AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT PILOT PROGRAM YOU-ALL WOULD THEN REVIEW THE PERFORMANCE OF THE VENDOR AND THE ACCEPT TANS OF THIS TYPE OF AMEN TEE -- AND RECREATIONAL SERVICE AND TRANSPORTATION SERVICE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY. WE ARE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY SUPER PEDESTRIAN AS WELL AS YOU WERE RECENTLY SENT SOME BACK UP DOCUMENTATION ABOUT THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS. AND THOSE CONCERNS RANGE FROM RECKLESS DRIVING. THEY RANGE FROM UNDER AGE DRIVERS. ALSO IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THERE'S A COUPLE ISSUES BY OPERATING ON SIDEWALKS. >> 2 PEOPLE WRITE OGG 10 SCOOTERS UNDER AGE PEOPLE -- RIDING ON THE SCOOTERS. >> WE WANTED YOU TO HAVE A SUMMATION OF THOSE CONCERNS BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE WANTED YOU TO ALSO HEAR FROM THE VENDOR THAT'S BEEN OPERATING UNDER THIS PILOT PROGRAM. AND AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS PRESENTATION YOU'LL HAVE THE OPTION TO DO ONE OF 2 THINGSCH AND THOSE 2 THINGS ARE TO MOVE FORWARD -- WITH THIS MICRO MOBILITY OPTION FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERS AND IF WE DO WE WOULD HAVE TO UTILIZE OUR REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS QUALIFICATIONS OR BID TYPE SCENARIO BECAUSE WE HAVE EXHAUSTD OUR ONE YEAR CONTRACTUAL OPTION OR WE JUST DO NOT MOVE FORWARD AT ALL -- SO THOSE ARE YOUR OPTIONS AND SUPER PEDESTRIAN IS HERE AT THIS TIME TO PRESENT TO YOU. >> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. >> MAY I ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION? ALL OVER THE NATION I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE LITTLE MIGHTY LITTLE BOOKS IN EYES. ARE THEY HAVING AS MUCH -- PROBLEM AS WE FORESEE HERE IN FORCE PIERS OR IS THAT JUST THE [00:25:08] NORM? I MEAN YOU GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS BUT IS THAT EVERY CITY HAVING THE SAME TYPE OF PROBLEM? AND WHAT DO THEY DO TAKE CARE OF IT? >> SO I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE ASKING BUT I THINK I'LL LET OUR EXPERTS RESPOND TO THAT. AND PERHAPS THEY'RE GOING TO COVER IT AT SOME POINT. WOULD THAT BE ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH WHEN. >> OK. -- FINE WITH ME. >> I'M THE PROVIDER. I'VE BEEN WITH THE COMPANY SINCE THE BEGINNING TCH PREVIOUS MANAGER HE WENT TO COLUMBUS, OHIO -- I'M HERE WITH MY OPERATION AND THE GOVERNMENT PARTNERSHIP MANAGER WILL BE ON THE LINE TO LEAD THE PRESENTATION. HE COULDN'T COME DUE TO THE CLIMATE AND SEASON THAT WE'RE IN AND THE COVID. >> THE HURRICANE OR THE COVID. IT COULD BE ANYTHING RIGHT? >> RIGHT. HE'LL BE LEADING THE POCEEDINGS. WE'RE WAITING TO GET HIM CONNECTED. >> OH HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE PHONE. >> YES I'M ON THE LINE. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS AND CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? >> YES. >> FANTASTIC. WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU-ALL TONIGHT AND PARTICULARLY REMOTELY HERE. I WISH I COULD BE WITH YOU-ALL IN PERSON. AGAIN MY NAME IS ADAM GREEN 16. I'M A GOVERNMENT PARTNERSHIP MANAGERS AT SUPER PEDESTRIAN -- AND HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS PROGRAM ACTUALLY WAY BACK SINCE 200018 AND BRINGING THE BOOK SHARE FIRST TO ST. LOUIS SEE COUNTY -- AND HAVE BEEN A PART OF IT'S EVERY LYING HERE. AND SO TONIGHT WE JUST WANT I KNOW YOU HAVE A VERY PACKED AGENDA. SO I WANT TO BE SUCCINCT IN THE MATERIAL THAT WE REVIEW TODAY AND REALLY LEAVE IT UP OPEN TO DISCUSSION AND SOME Q&A. >> SO IF I MAYBE IF I COULD ASK YOU TO DIRECT THE SLIDES HERE AS I CHAT THROUGH THE ITEMS WE CAN GO SLIDE TO SLIDE. SO FIRST BEGINNING WITHING THE OVERVIEW -- MR. MIMS PROVIDED A GREAT ONE BUT WE LAUNCHED THIS IN SEPTEMBER 2019 TO BE REALLY WE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS NEW AMENITY IN TRANSPORTATION OPTION TO ADD TO THE VIBRANCY OF DOWNTOWN AND SPUR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. WE LAUNCHED THE PROGRAM WITH ONE TECHNOLOGY PROVIDER CALLED SPIN AND WE WEREN'T MARRIED TO THAT. WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN PROVIDING THE BEST POSSIBLE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE COULD FOR THE FORT PIERCE MARKET AND SO IT ENDED UP UPGRADING TO LINK SCOOTERS WHICH WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT. ONE THING TO NOTE HERE IS THAT THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN SUPPORTED ALL BY EMPLOYEES THAT WE'VE HIRED AND TRAINED IN FORT PIERS AND WE'VE INVEST ADD LOT INTO THE COMMUNITY -- INTO THIS PROGRAM AND HAVE DONE SO AT NO COST TO THE CITY AS THE PROGRAM IS RELYING ON THE REVENUES THAT ARE GENERATED FROM THE RENTAL. MOVING ONTO THE UTILIZATION SHIN OF THE PROGRAM I THINK -- WE THE PROGRAM HAS REALLY MET AND EXCEEDED OUR EXPECTATIONS AROUND THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE SAW. SO 55,000 TOTAL TRIPS OVER THE COURSE OF LESS THAN A YEAR HERE ACROSS 30,000 USERS SO ALMOST ONE PERSON FOR EVERY RESIDENT OF FORT PIERCE AND WHEN WE PUT THESE SCOOTERS OUT EACH DAY THEY'RE GETTING RID AGAIN. EVERY SCOOTER IS RIDDEN ON AVERAGE OF ONE TRIPPER SCOOTER PER DAY AT LEAST. AND SO WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF USER SHIP ACROSS THE BOARD. AND THESE AREN'T SHORT TRIPS EITHER -- THESE ARE 25, 27 MINUTE TRIPS WHERE PEOPLE ARE REALLY USING THESE TO EXPLORE PARTS OF THE CITY IN THE DOWNTOWN THAT THEY HADN'T BEFORE. ONE THING TO NOTE HERE IS THAT YOU'RE SEEING OBVIOUSLY THE RAIDERS SHIP CONCENTRATED IN DOWNTOWN AND ON THE ISLAND AND PRIME MARLEY ACTUALLY IN THE EVENING AFTER WORK. SO -- TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AS YOU CAN SEE IS THE BUSIEST TIME OF THE WEEK AND ESPECIALLY IN THE AFTERNOONS AND EVENINGS WITH ABOUT HALF THE TRIPS GENERATING IN THE LAST 3 HOURS, 6:00 P.M. TO 9:00 P.M. AND THEN THE PROGRAM SHUTS OFF. SO WHY DID WE UPGRADE TO LINKS SCOOTERS FROM SPIN? WELL, I THINK THE FIRST GENERATION OF ELECTRIC SCOOTER [00:30:03] PROVIDERS WERE REALLY OFF THE SHELF SCOOTERS THAT WERE REALLY DESIGNED FOR PERSONAL EYES SAGE. SUPER PEDESTRIAN -- THE PARENT COMPANY OF LINK REALLY SAW THESE DEVICES COME OUT THE MARKET AND THOUGHT THEY COULD DO A LOT BETTER BEING AN ENGINEERING FIRM OUT OF MIT THAT'S BEEN ENGINEERING THESE MICRO MOBILITY VEHICLES FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS. SO SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS HERE JUST A MUCH SAFER VEHICLE STURDY YEAR VEHICLE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE A WIDE RANGE OF USERS -- REALLY GRANDULAR OR GIO PERSONSING SO WE CAN CONTROL WHERE THESE SCOOTERS CAN AND CANNOT GO AND TIP OVER PROTECTION WHERE ACTUALLY WHEN A VEHICLE THE LINK VEHICLE IS KNOCKED OVER IT AUTOMATICALLY ALERTS OUR ROP RACE SHINS TEAM TO GO PICK IT UP WITHIN HOURS -- OPERATIONS TEAM. THE OTHER THING YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE IS WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE RIDERSHIP IN THIS MARKET IS IN THE EVENING AND SO LINK HAS THE BEST VISIBILITY AT NIGHT OUT OF ANY OTHER SCOOTER IN THE MARKET AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS COMPARISON. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SAFE RIDING AT NIGHT. IN TERMS OF FOR THE BENEFITS FOR FORT PIERCE AND BEFORE I GET THERE YOU KNOW I KNOW THERE'S CHALLENGES AND YOU HEAR A LOT FROM THOSE FROM THE FOLKS WHO MAY NOT WANT SCOOTERS IN TOWN WE HEAR A LOT OF COURSE WE HEAR THOSE COMMENTS AND WE ADAPT TO THEM AND WE HEAR A LOT OF THE EXCITE MEANT FROM STAKEHOLDERS FROM ACROSS THE COUNT XI -- COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PARTNER WITH. THE FIRST BIG BENEFIT HERE IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY THE CITY WANTS TO BRING THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE YOU CAN SEE FROM THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT WE GARNERED FOR THIS PRESIDENT SEPTEMBER TAKE SHIN BUT THERE'S MANY MANY MORE WHO WE WORK WITH ON A DAILY AND MONTHLY BASIS THEY LIKE THIS BECAUSE SCOOTERS IN A KIND OF PARKING RESTRAINED ENVIRONMENT DOWNTOWN GIVE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE AREA AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE PARTS OF THE CITY THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE OTHERWISE EXPERIENCED. THEY DRIVE BY AT HUMAN SPEED AND EXPERIENCE THE RESTAURANTS SEEING THE OTHER AMENITIES THE MY SEE JIMS ETCETERA. AND I THINK THAT'S -- EVIDENCED BY THE SUPPORT WE HAVE FROM BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. IT'S NOT JUST LOCAL BUSINESSES TOO. IT'S THE TOURISM. WE'VE PARTNERED WITH THE COUNTY TOURISM OFFICE WHO ADVERTISES THE SERVICE AS AN AMENITY. THE PROGRAM WAS FEATURED ON THE CANADIAN TRAVEL NETWORK OF ALL THINGS AS ONE OF SHINING STARS THAT BRING PEOPLE TO THIS COMMUNITY AND BRANDS IT AS AN INNOVATIVE HIP CITY THAT'S ON THE SAME TERMS WITH THE BIG TOURIST AMEN NET I THINK CITIES AND ATTRACTIONS IN FLORIDA -- YOU LOOK AT FLORIDA AND SCOOTER SHARE AND IT'S TAMPA FORT LAUDERDALE MIAMI AND THIS HELPS BRING FORT PIERCE ON THAT LEVEL FROM A TOURIST STANDPOINT. AND OF COURSE RESIDENTS AND JUST TRANSPORTATION IS A BIG PART OF THIS. WE CAN TALK ABOUT EVERY DAY PEOPLE ARE USING A SCOOTER TO GET TO THE BUS STOP AND THEN AS A LAST MILE SOLUTION WHEN THEY GET HOME FROM THE BUS. SO THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS CAN CONNECT AND ADDRESS THE TRANSIT GAPS THAT YOU HAVE IN A FIXED BUS ROUTE SYSTEM. SO NOT THE SAY THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN CHALLENGES AND I WANT TO TOUCH UPON A COUPLE OF THE ONES THAT WE EXPERIENCED AND HAVE WORKED WITH ON WITH THE CITY AND THEN OF COURSE TALK ABOUT HOW WE'LL CONTINUE TO ADDRESS MOVING FORWARD. SO THE BIG ONE WITH ANY SCOOTER SHARE PROGRAM IS CONFLICTS WITH RESIDENTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS WHO MIGHT NOT WANT SCOOTERS ON THEIR PROPERTY AND OF COURSE PEDESTRIANS ON THE SIDEWALKS AND OTHER RIGHTS-OF-WAY. THIS IS A CHALLENGE THAT'S ACROSS THE INDUSTRY AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU KNOW WE THE SUPERIORITY OF WHAT WE CALL GEO-FENCING. BASICALLY DIGITAL FENCING THAT RESTRICT WHERE SOMEBODY CAN AND CANNOT GO. TO DATE EVERY TIME IN TERMS OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS EVERY PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAS SAID THAT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SCOOTERS AND DON'T WANT THEM ON THEIR PROPERTY WE IMPLEMENTED A GEO-FENCE WHICH RESTRICTS RIDERS FROM GOING ON TO THAT PROPERTY WITH SPIN THE GEO-FENCING WASN'T AS EFFECTIVE AS IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN WHERE YOU KNOW THERE'S RIDE TEST WOULD STILL IN SOME CASES BE ABLE TO ENTER IN THE GEO-FENCE ZONE BEFORE IT ACTIVATES. [00:35:05] WITH LINK IT ACTIVATES IMMEDIATELY EVERY TIME. WE'RE CONTINUING TO BUILD THE GEO-FENCE LAYERS AS WE GET REQUESTS FROM THE CITY AND CAN EVEN DO THINGS IN THIS MARKET WHICH WE HAVEN'T DONE BEFORE BUT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER CITIES LIKE SALT LAKE SALT LAKE CITY WHERE WE CAN RESTRICT PEOPLE FROM RIDING ON SIDEWALKS WHILE IT ALLOWS THEM TO RIDE ON THE BOOK LANE ADJACENT TO IT. IT SOUND LIKE -- THAT IS A SOLUTION MOVING FORWARD HERE. THE OTHER THING WE MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT IS ACROSS THE ISLAND MAKING THAT ENTIRE ISLAND A SLOW ZONE. AND THAT'S TO REALLY ADDRESS THE UNDER AGE RIDING AND SOME OF THE DAREDEVIL THAT WE'VE SEEN JUST TO MAKE IT A LOT SAFER IN THOSE BUSY PEDESTRIAN AREAS. THE OTHER PIECE HERE IS SCOOTERS LEFT BY THE RIDERS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO RESPONDING TO ANY REPORT AND REPORTS AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED REPORTS OF CONTINUED OVER SCOOTERS IN 2 HOURS BY THE TIME WE GET THAT REPORT AND WE'LL CONTINUE ON THAT FRONT. IN TERMS OF OUR PROPOSED NEXT STEPS I MEAN I THINK WE'RE REALLY JUST AT THE CUSP OF WHAT WE CAN ACHIEVE HERE AND REALLY A MUTUAL PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY, THE COUNTY, THE TOURISM OFFICE ALL THESE LOCAL BUSINESSES. WE WANT TO REALLY BE INTEGRATED INTO THIS COMMUNITY FIRST AS AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER THAT CAN YOU KNOW WELCOME PEOPLE AND TRAIN PEOPLE IN THIS IMMERGING INDUSTRY AS WE'VE SEEN WITH FOLKS PROMOTE PEOPLE THROUGH THE ORGANIZATION AND BUILD ON THOSE SKILLS. YOU KNOW I THINK GIVEN WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM THE DEMAND LEVELS IN THE EVENING HOURS WE THINK THAT THIS WOULD ADD MORE TO THE COMMUNITY AND ESPECIALLY TO THE LOCAL BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN IF WE COULD ACTUALLY EXTEND THE OPERATING HOURS TO 10:00 P.M. OR 11:00 P.M. AS MANY MANY MORE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO RIDE AND TO ACT AS SOME OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN -- ACCESS. ESPECIALLY WHERE OPEN AIR TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS ARE SAFER THAN AN UBER. THE OTHER THING THAT WEED LOOK TO DO -- WE'D LIKE TO DO TO RESPECT OUR PARTNERSHIP AND ALIGN OUR INCENTIVES IS OFFER A REVENUE SHARE WITH THE CITY. WE KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE TO EXPEND ADMINISTRATIVE RESOURCES AND WE BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BE COMPENSATED FOR THESE EFFORTS AND LASTLY TO CONTINUE TO BUILD ON WHAT WE'VE DONE AND TO REALLY ADJUST AND ALIGN THE PROGRAM WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY AND CONTINUE TO IMPROVE IT. >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION. >> SIR ADAM? >> YES PLEASE. >> WE HAVE A QUESTION. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> ADAM I ALLUDED TO IT LAST MEETING WITH OUR DISCUSSION AND YOU SOMEWHAT ADDRESSED IT AT THE TAIL END. YOU INDICATED THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS INVOLVED FROM THE CITY. I LOOKED AT MORE ALONG THE LINES OF IMPACT FEES. I HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT BROUGHT TO OUR ATTEND ANYONE LAST MEETING -- ATTENTION THAT THERE WERE SOME COSTS INVOLVED FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE WITH THE ADDED COSTS OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN COMING IN CONTACT WITH OR HAVING TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT THEY NORMALLY WOULD NOT BE. I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. IT BRINGS SOMETHING NEW TO OUR CITY AND IT'S GOOD. I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH OF ANYTHING NEGATIVE OTHER THAN FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT SOME OF THE ADDED RESPONSIBILITIES BUT I THINK WE COULD COME TO A VERY AMICABLE RESOLUTION AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IF YOU WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND AGAIN I CALL IT IMPACT FEES AND BE MORE THAN GENEROUS THAN JUST GIVING US WHAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE COST TO COVER ADMINISTRATIVELY. SO I HAVEN'T SEEN OR HEARD A DOLLAR FIGURE WITH REGARDS TO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING BUT I'M INTERESTED AND I'M WAITING TO SEE WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH THAT IN TERMS OF SOME KIND OF A FUNDING. >> WELL THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AND THAT'S SOMETHING EXACTLY THAT TYPE OF AREA THAT I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD BE FAIRLY COMPENSATED FOR THOSE EXTRA EFFORTS AND IMPACT. I THINK IF ONE OF THE THINGS OF [00:40:04] COURSE THAT WE'RE CONSTRAINED BY IN MAKING SURE THAT YOU KNOW BEING THIS AS A SELF SUPPORTED OPERATION RIGHT THAT'S RELYING ON THOSE THAT RIDER SHIP AND RIDER REVENUES THE AMOUNT OF COMPENSATION AND DOLLAR FIGURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO THE CITY IS AS YOU CAN IMAGINE RELATED TO THE LEVEL OF RIDERSHIP. ONE THING THAT WE OBSERVE IS THAT ACROSS WHEN YOU LIKE ACROSS THE NATION IN HOW THESE PROGRAMS ARE STRUCTURED IS THAT VERY VERY FEW PROGRAMS ARE HAVE A CURFEW OF 9:00 P.M. YOU KNOW THE REASON BEING OF COURSE IS THAT SO MUCH RIDERSHIP HAPPENS YOU KNOW IN A COUPLE HOURS AFTERNOON P.M. AND SO I THINK OUR ABILITY TO OFFER A REVENUE SHARE I THINK IS SOMEWHAT OR THE AMOUNT IS SOMEWHAT TIED TO THOSE OPERATING HOURS BECAUSE OUR RIDERSHIP IS SO SUPPRESSED BY THAT 9:00 P.M. CUT OFF TIME. SO IF WE ARE ABLE TO EXTEND TO AN 11:00 P.M. CUT OFF TIME THEN WE ARE HAPPY TO OFFER THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IN MANY RESPECTS OR AVERAGE WHICH IS ABOUT 15 CENTS PER RIDE. THAT'S GENERATED. SO IF WE'RE ON TRACK TO DO ABOUT 70, 80,000 RIDES AND THAT CONTINUES TO TICK UP THEN YOU KNOW WE'RE IN THE 10-15 K RANGE ANNUALLY BACK TO THE CITY. IF YOU GUYS FEEL THAT DOESN'T COVER THE COSTS AND THERE'S OTHER SPECIFIC FIXED FEES THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN BUT THAT'S JUST THE GENERAL BALLPARK IF THAT HELPS YOU KNOW HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE IT ECONOMICALLY DISCUSS STAPLE BL FOR US TO TIP TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE -- SUSTAINABLE. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> WHEN YOU SAY 15 CENT PER RIDE THAT'S SOMEWHAT FOREIGN TO MY MEANS NOTHING TO ME. I HOPE THAT STAFF HAS LOOKED INTO IT AND IF NOT SEE WHAT'S CUSTOMARY UNDER THESE TYPE OF CIRCUMSTANCES SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN LINE WITH WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING. SO I COULDN'T REASONABLY SAY THAT 15 CENT WOULD BE WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT OR WHAT'S REASONABLE OR WHAT'S NOT IN THE ABSENCE OF GETTING SOME INPUT FROM SOMEBODY HERE ON STAFF OR I'VE HEARD YOU SAY IT'S CUSTOMARY BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HEAR IT FROM STAFF WHAT THEIR POSITION IN THAT REGARDS AND IF THEY'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT AND SEE WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING IN A SIMILAR SITUATION. >> YES, SIR MR. MIMS. >> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER SESSIONS I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING PROPOSED NEXT STEPS OR NEGOTIATING CONTRACTUAL ITEMS AT THIS TIME. I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL OF OUR CONTRACTUAL 1-YEAR PILOT PROGRAM OPTIONS AND I BELIEVE AT THIS TIME WE NEED TO EITHER SAY WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SCOOTER SHARE PROGRAM IN FORT PIERCE OR WE'RE NOT AND THEN WHAT WE CAN DO WE CAN PUT THIS OUT AND ADVERTISE THIS FOR COMPETITIVE BID AND WE WILL NEGOTIATE WITH THE HIGHEST RANKED PROPOSAL TO INCLUDE REVENUE SHARE AND YES WE HAVE ALREADY DONE SOME RESEARCH BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH ANYBODY ON NUMBERS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST-CASE SCENARIO AT THIS TIME. >> I UNDERSTAND AND I RESPECT THAT. YEAH. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> THANK YOU MA'AM. COMMISSIONER SESSIONS BRINGS UP SOME GOOD POINTS. I HAD THOSE TYPE OF ITEMS WRITTEN DOWN. YOU KNOW YOU MENTION IN THE PRESENTATION HERE PARTNERSHIPS AND REVENUE SHARING WITH THE CITY AND THEN THINGS THAT COME TO MIND FOR ME ARE YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF CAPITAL INVESTMENTS DO OTHER CITIES PARTNER WITH YOU IN LIKE WHERE ARE YOUR HUBS; IS THERE A HUB? THAT WHERE STRATEGIC LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITIES THAT THEY'RE PARKED? HERE'S WHY I BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE FOLKS COMPLAIN OR THEY'RE HAPPY WHICHEVER YOU PERCEIVE IT IF YOU'RE EYES A SCOOTER OR NOT EYES A SCOOTER THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE BUT THEY'RE ALSO PARKED ON THE SIDEWALK. THAT'S TAXPAYER MONIES THAT HAVE BEEN SPENT TO IMPROVE FORT PIERCE AND NOW WE'RE PARKING AN PRIVATE ENTER PREYS ON PUBLICLY FUNDED INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT? SO YOU KNOW -- WHAT DO OTHER CITIES DO WITH THAT? WHAT KIND OF PARTICIPATION ITEM HAVE YOU SEEN YOUR COMPANY PARTICIPATE WITH IN OTHER CITIES? AND CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE IF THERE IS ANY? THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE GEO-FENCE, SLOW ZONES VERSUS PEDESTRIANS BUT THE PARTNERSHIPS I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO AND YOU MENTIONED A LOT OF [00:45:03] BUSINESSES THAT ARE MOSTLY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT I CALL THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION OR GROUP THAT MEET TOGETHER FORMALLY OR INFORMALLY AND WHAT KIND OF INPUT HAVE YOU HAD FROM THOSE FOLKS. TOURIST DEVELOPMENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL BECAUSE THAT PLAY AS ROLL IN ALL OF THIS TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I AGREE WITH THAT. SO HOW DO WE RELATE THAT AND WHAT INFORMATION CAN YOU PROVIDE THAT RELATES THAT TO CITY OF FORCE PIERCE AND THE OTHER AGREEMENTS? >> ABSOLUTELY. WELL THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. FIRST IN TERMS OF THE HUBS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SIDEWALKS THIS NATURE OF A DOCK LESS VEHICLE RIGHT IS IN SOME RESPECTS A DOUBLE EDGE SWORD BECAUSE HAVING IT DOCKLESS AND BEING ABLE TO RIDE TO YOUR FINAL DESTINATION RIGHT MAKES IT A REALLY VALUABLE TRANSPORTATION SERVICE RIGHT BUT YOU KNOW THE IRRESPONSIBLE PARKING JOBS AND PARKING ON THE SIDEWALK AND THAT TYPE OF THING IS OBVIOUSLY A HAZARD TO PEDESTRIANS AND INAPPROPRIATE EYES OF THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE. SO I MEAN I THINK FRANKLY THAT HAS BEEN PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE INDUSTRY WOOD IS KIND OF CONTROLLING WHERE THESE THINGS -- CAN AND CAN'T GO AND PROMOTING THE RIGHT PARKING BEHAVIOR. SO THE WAY THAT MOST THE INDUSTRY HAS TRIED TO ADDRESS IT IS A LOT THROUGH EDUCATION YOU KNOW THROUGH THE APP ETCETERA AND I THINK YOU KNOW AS WITH MOST THINGS THAT HAS MIXED RESULTS IF YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GOOD THE RIGHT BEHAVIOR. YOU KNOW I THINK WE TAKE A LITTLE DIFFERENT APPROACH. I MEAN FIRST WE HAVE FOOD A LOT OF STRATEGIC -- HUB HOKE OCCASIONS WHERE EVERY DAY -- LIKE EVERY DAY OUR EMPLOYEES NOT SOME INDEPENDENT CONTRACT TORE THAT WE DON'T TRAIN OR CONTROL -- ALL OUR EMPLOYEES ARE TRAINED EACH MORNING TO STABLE THESE VEHICLES ALL THE APPROPRIATE STABLING LOCATIONS AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE PARKED OFF IN INAPPROPRIATE LOCATIONS REBALANCE THOSE VEHICLES BACK TO THE STAGING LOCATIONS. MOST OF THESE DON'T HAVE ANY PHYSICAL IN INFRASTRUCTURE. I THINK IN PREVIOUS WITH OTHER CITIES ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IS PARTNERED WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES AND LARGE EMPLOYERS INTERESTED IN SOME BRANDING AND THEN WE ESSENTIALLY INVEST TOGETHER IN ADDING PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE. SO SIGNS BIG SIGNS ON THE GROUND AND AMERICA KINGS ON THE GROUND THAT SAY YOU KNOW PARK YOUR SUIT SISTERS HERE ESSENTIALLY AND THE OTHER RULES OF THE ROAD. YOU KNOW NO RIDING ON SIDEWALKS ETCETERA. SO I THINK THAT PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE HELPS GOOD THE RIGHT PARKING INSTRUCTION CLR. THE OTHER THING THE LINK SCOOTERS DO THAT ARE UNMATCHED FROM ANY OTHER PROVIDER IS THE GRAND LATER I THINK OF THE GEO-FENCING. SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY FRANKLY -- DEPLOYED YET HAVE DEPLOYED LIKE REALLY MORE ROBUST GEO-FENCING LAYERS AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS ACTUALLY GEO-FENCE OFF SIDEWALKS TO MAKE IT SO YOU CANNOT PARK ON THE SIDEWALK IN YOU KNOW SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN PROBLEM AREAS AND SO I THINK ON THIS NEXT GENERATION I THINK WE NEED TO INVEST MORE IN THAT GEO-FENCING SOLUTIONS TO REALLY CONTROL WHERE THEY CAN AND CANNOT GO BETTER AND SEEK TO DO PARTNERSHIPS WHERE WE CAN ADD INFRASTRUCTURE TO SOME OF THOSE LOCATIONS. >> MADAM MAYOR. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT ADAM. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU ARE THERE ANY DATA POINTS THAT ARE SHOWING THE MOST ACTIVITY? OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A LOT OF GOOD RESEARCH A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THE MAP ACTUALLY IT WAS ON THE SLIDE AT SOME POINT. YEAH THERE'S A DATA THAT SHOWS WHEN WE'RE TRAVELING BUT IS IT SHOWING LOCATION ALSO? ARE YOU HONING ON ON THOSE POINTS; IS THAT WHY YOU WOULD HAVE THEM STRATEGICALLY LOCATED IN THE CITY IN THOSE PIN POINTED AREAS? >> YES, SIR EXACTLY. WE ADJUST OUR STAGING. THAT IS ONE THING WITH PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS IT DOESN'T YOU KNOW IT'S HARDER TO ADAPT BUT YOU KNOW CERTAINLY WE HAVE BEEN AND OUR EMPLOYEES CAN TALK ABOUT THAT WE ADAPT OUR STAGING LOCATION BASED ON THE TIME OF WEEK THE TIME OF DAY AND THE TIME OF YEAR. SO THESE ARE REALLY DYNAMIC AND WE KNOW AND CAN PREDICT WHERE THE MOST DEMAND IS THROUGHOUT THE WEEK BASED ON OUR HISTORICAL DATA AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE ADJUST STAGING LOCATIONS TO BE AT THOSE LOCATIONS. AND THAT'S ALL PART OF THE BACK END SOFTWARE TOOLS TECHNOLOGY [00:50:03] TRAINING IT'S THAT WE'RE GIVING TO OUR EMPLOYEES ON THE GROUND THERE. >> THANK YOU. AND LAST QUESTION I'LL BE FINISHED I BELIEVE. MR. MIMS ALLUDED TO EARLIER YOU KNOW AN R. . IF QR. IF P WHERE WE'RE REQUESTING PROPOSALS AND SUBMIT ALSO THE ON WHAT TYPE OF BYES YOU CAN BRING TO THE CITY -- I HEAR YOU -- STARTING TO BUILD R.F.P. LANGUAGE WITH THE GEO-FENCING. DO YOU HAVE THOSE ARRANGEMENTS OR HAVE YOU SUBMITTED REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AROUND BIDS TO OTHER CITIES THAT INCLUDE THAT TYPE OF LANGUAGE? >> YES. AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU KNOW SAMPLES LANGUAGE FROM OTHER R.F.P. APPS THAT WE THINK DO A GOOD JOB OF DEFINING THOSE REQUIREMENTS -- >> COMMISSIONER. >> YES AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. FIRST OBSERVATIONS WAS IT ALMOST SURPRISED ME WHEN I SAW YOUR SLIDE OF EMPLOYEES WITH HELMETS ON I WENT OH. SO YOU'RE 1U7 POSED TO WEAR HELMETS. I DON'T THINK -- SUPPOSED TO WEAR HELMETS. I DON'T THINK YOUR RIDERSHIP HAS PAID MUCH ATTENTION TO THE HELMET REGULATION. HOPEFULLY WE HAVEN'T LOST ANYBODY. THE DEMOGRAPHICS WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT 30,000 RIDERS I KNOW IT'S HARD BECAUSE IT'S ALL THROUGH A CREDIT CARD BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA AT ALL LIKE WHAT KIND OF DEMOGRAPHIC? WHO ARE YOUR RIDERS? ARE THEY 25-YEAR-OLD? 50 YEAR OLDS? 60 YEAR OLDS? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA? >> SO WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD SENSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE IT CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. YOU KNOW FRANKLY WITH THE OLD BOOK SHARE PROGRAM WE COLLECTED A LOT MORE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA FOR PRIVACY REASONS YOU KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MUCH KIND OF G.P.S. DATA THAT'S GENERATED FROM THIS PROGRAM YOU KNOW WE TRY TO LIMIT THE OTHER DATA POINTS THAT WE COLLECT FROM USERS AND ONLY LIMIT IT TO THE SLIGHT NECESSARY WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY VERIFYING AGE AND THE CREDIT CARD INFORMATION. THAT SAID I THINK THAT MAYBE OUR EMPLOYEE CAN PROVIDE MORE ANECDOTAL ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF THE RIDERSHIP. WOULD YOU MOON CHIME ANYTHING ON THAT? >> LOOKING -- AT THE DATA YOU GET ALL AGE RANGES FROM YOUNG TO OLD. >> CAN YOU MOVE THE MIKE JUST A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOU. >> YOU HAVE TO LIMIT THE KIDS UNDER 18 BUT YOU HIT A DEMOGRAPHIC 35 TO 50 DURING THE WEEK AND IT GETS YOUNGER ON THE WEEKENDS. >> AND THE REASON WHY I ASK THE QUESTION IS NOT SO MUCH FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT BUT WE END UP HEARING THE COMPLAINTS AND IF THE RIDERSHIP IS THE ONE COMPLAINING WHICH IT ISN'T I DON'T THINK I NEEDED TO MAKE THAT SOMEWHAT OF A FORMAL MEMORY IN MY HEAD -- SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT. COLLECTION AT NIGHT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE PROGRAM EVERYTHING AT 9:00 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT THE VAN SHOWED UP EVERYTHING DISAPPEARED. THE SIDEWALKS WERE CLEAN NOTHING GOING ON. I'VE NOTICED LATELY AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE PANDEMIC OR WHATEVER ELSE IS GOING ON THESE THINGS ARE LAYING ON THE GROUND AT 5:30 IN THE MORNING I MEAN THEY'RE NOT IN MY WAY. I'M JUST SAYING HAS THERE BEEN A CHANGE IN THE BUSINESS PLAN THAT ALLOWS THESE THINGS JUST TO PILE UP AT NIGHT AND BE COLLECTED IN THE MORNING. >> WE CHANGE THE SCOOTERS SO THE BATTERY LIFE IS A LITTLE LONGER SO THE STAFF COMES OUT AT NIGHT AND CLEAN OUT AND THEN THEY COME OUT IN THE MORNING AND FRESH AND CLEAN THEM UP. >> SO IN THE ONE YEAR THAT WE'VE HAD THIS TRIAL I EXPECTED TO SEE LISTS OF CASUALTIES OF INJURIES OF PROPERLY DAMAGE AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME OF ALL OF THOSE BUT NOT NEARLY WHAT I THOUGHT IN MY RECOLLECTION. I SAID THAT'S GOING TO PROBABLY BE THE TELLING SOON IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE FORWARD IF THESE THINGS ARE BEING ABUSED AND PROBABLY PROPERTIES BEING ABUSED TO AN EXTENT THAT FAR REACHES THE ABILITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO RECOVER ON SOME OF THESE THINGS BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY STATISTICS AS FAR AS THAT GOES AS FAR AS ANY TYPE OF INJURY REPORTS PROPERTY DAMAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? >> WE HAVEN'T HAD SINCE WE LAUNCHED LINK A SINGLE RIDER REPORTED INJURY. I MEAN CITY REPORTED FOR THAT MATTER. THAT'S NOT THE SAY WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY WHAT'S REPORTED DOESN'T CAPTURE THE FULL BRUNT OF IT BUT I THINK YOU'D EXPECT IF THERE WAS A SERIOUS INJURY THAT CERTAINLY WE WOULD HEAR [00:55:04] ABOUT IT AND WE HAVE I REMEMBER IN SPIN NOT IN FORT PIERCE BUT CERTAINLY THERE'S BEEN REPORTS. I MEAN WE'RE PROUD THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THOSE REPORTS. YOU KNOW CERTAINLY PART OF IT AND IF YOU KIND OF LIKE BACK AT THE SCREEN THAT SHOWED THE LINK SCOOTER AGAINST THE OTHERS THIS IS A VEHICLE THAT'S BEEN DESIGNED BY YOU KNOW THE MOST ADVANCED ROBOTICS ENGINEERS IN THE COUNTRY. LITERALLY THE PEOPLE THAT DESIGNED THE SEGUE HAVE ATTACKED THIS PROBLEM FOR THE COURSE OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS AND HAVE THROUGH UNBELIEVABLE TESTING HAVE IN EVERY SINGLE ENVIRONMENT I MEAN HAVE TRULY DESIGNED YOU KNOW A SCOOTER THAT IS WORLD SAFER AND STURDY YEAR AND ABLE TO HIT THE BUMPS IN THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT -- THAN COMPETITORS. AND SO LINK HAS ONLY BEEN ON THE ROAD FOR 6 MONTHS BUT WE ARE VERY VERY HAPPY WITH THE SAFETY DATA THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHEN WE COUNTRY PAIR IT TO THAT OF OTHER PROVIDERS -- COMPARE THAT. WE HOPE THAT'S PART OF THE EXPLANATION FOR THE GOOD SAFETY RECORD HERE. >> YEAH I APPRECIATE THAT. NOW I'M GOING TO THE SAY THAT REALLY WHAT I WAS IMPRESSED WITH WAS THE RESPONSE FROM YOUR COMPANY WITH THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD. YOU KNOW YOU HAVE SCOOTERS AND YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY AND YOU HINK OH MY GOD IT'S EAS. IT'S BUT EVERYONE I IMAGINE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WITH ITS OWN CHARACTERISTICS YOU KNOW ITS OWN PROBLEMS AND I WOULD SAY THAT AT FIRST WE WERE YOU KNOW TRYING TO CLOSE DOWN CERTAIN AREAS THAT WERE DANGEROUS AND YOUR COMPANY RESPONDED TO THAT. I JUST I THINK THAT THAT'S THE TYPE OF PARTNERSHIP I WOULD EXPECT IN SOMETHING NEW AND NOVEL LIKE. THIS I KNOW FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT WE DEALT WITH PROPERTY DAMAGE THE COMPLAINTS AND SOME OF IT WAS PUBLIC DAMAGE TOO. THEY GOT UP ON THE BOARDWALKS UP THERE ON THE BEACH AND YOU COULD SEE TIRE BURNS GOING THROUGH IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WE KNOW THAT. I MEAN MAYBE IF I WAS 40 YEARS YOUNGER I WOULD BE WITH THEM ALL BUT THE EDUCATION PART OF IT TOO THE CITY TOOK ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND I THINK THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB TRYING TO EDUCATE THE FOLKS. I KNOW WHEN THIS FIRST STARTED OFF MY PHONE WAS BLOWING UP. MY E-MAILS WERE ALL OVER THE APPLAUSE. AND REALLY UNTIL LATELY UNTIL WE KNEW YOU GUYS WERE COMING TONIGHT I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I AM IMPRESSED BY THE RESPONSE OF YOUR COMPANY WITH THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD AND I'M HAPPY THAT THE GEO-FENCING HAS GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC. THAT WOULD RESOLVE PROBABLY THE MAJORITY OF THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE. >> YES AND SO I'D LIKE TO CHIME IN HERE. WHEN THIS PROGRAM FIRST STARTED THERE WAS A LOT OF COMPLAINTS AND THERE WERE COMPLAINTS BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE NOT USING THE SCOOTERS PROPERLY AND THEY WERE NOT -- THEY WERE HOT RODDING RIGHT SHOWING OFF DOING WHATEVER NOT LOOKING BOTH WAYS NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT PEDESTRIANS NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE AUTOMOBILES BECAUSE AND MANY OF THEM WERE THEY WERE DOUBLING UP ON SCOOTERS AND SO ALL OF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WON'T HEAR FROM THOSE PEOPLE RIGHT IN TERMS OF AN E-MAIL OR ANYTHING. IT'S JUST YOU HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ALMOST HIT THEM OR WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEY DON'T WANT TO HURT ANYBODY. THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYBODY HURT. AND THE SCOOTERS MAYBE THEM NERVOUS. AND SO I THINK IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER. AND I THINK YOU HAVE ADDRESSED MANY MANY ISSUES. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN ADDRESS PEOPLE EYEING THEM IMPROPERLY. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN DO THAT. BECAUSE AND I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESSES THAT AREN'T LISTED HERE THAT WHEN THE SCOOTERS COME UP THEY JUST ROLL THEIR EYES AND SO NOT BECAUSE SO MUCH BAD HAS HAPPENED IT'S WHAT THEY THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHAT THEY THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THEM THAT'S GOING TO HIT SOMEBODY ON A SCOOTER OR THEY'RE GOING TO WITNESS THAT. AND SO IT'S PROBABLY AS MUCH A GENERATION GENERATIONAL THING AS ANYTHING ELSE AND SO I'VE GOTTEN OVERWHELMING NEGATIVES ABOUT THE SCOOTERS BUT NOT FROM PEOPLE WHO EYES THEM AND NOT FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT EYES THEM BUT PEOPLE WHO ALMOST HIT THEM OR WHO ARE PAUK WALKING TAKING THEIR EVENING WALK AND [01:00:04] ALMOST HIT THEMSELVES. SO BUT LATELY THAT HAS CALMED DOWN. NOW A LOT OF IT I THINK HAS TO DO WITH COVID AND PEOPLE NOT BEING OUT AND ABOUT AS MUCH AS THEY WERE. NOW THEY'RE STARTING TO GO OUT AND ABOUT. SO I HAVE GRAVE CONCERN AND I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER APPS QUESTION AT THE BEGINNING OFFING THIS WAS A GOOD ONE. HAVE YOU BEEN IN OTHER PLACES WHERE THEY'VE ELECTED NOT TO DO IT BECAUSE OF THE ABUSE. NOT BECAUSE YOUR COMPANY ISN'T GOOD IN TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN AND NOT BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A BENEFIT BUT BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE TO DEAL WITH? >> AND YOU KNOW THANK YOU FOR THAT AND LIKE THIS IS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IN THE INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY AND YOU HAVE ALL THESE USERS GOING DIFFERENT SPEEDS RIGHT? IF SOMEBODY IS GOING 15 MILES PER HOUR AND ON A SCOOTER AND YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WALKING AT 3 MILES PER HOUR IT'S NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION YOU KNOW. AND I THINK IN EVERY COMMUNITY THAT HAS SCOOTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY YOU THOSE CITIES ARE GETTING YOU KNOW COMPLAINTS FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE ESPECIALLY YOU KNOW OLDER PEOPLE AND THOSE WITH MOBILITY IMPAIRMENTS THAT JUST DON'T WANT TO INTERACT ON A SIDEWALK IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. AGAIN THIS IS WHY I THINK WE'VE IN OUR TEAM HAVE FIGURED OUT THE MOST ROBUST GEO-FENCING SOLUTION IN THE INDUSTRY AND THE APPLICATIONS ARE NOT FULLY DEPLOYED YET ON FORT PIERCE. THE FIRST THING I WOULD SUGGEST IS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS ARE BEING GENERATED FROM USERS ON THE ISLAND. YOU HAVE MORE OF A GENERATIONAL DIVIDE AND ALSO WHERE YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE DOING STUPID THINGS. AND SO THE FIRST THING THAT I SUGGEST IS THAT YOU KNOW LET'S MAKE THE END SIRE ISLAND A SLOW SPEED ZONE. YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW THE TOP SPEED IS 15 MILES PER HOUR. IF WE DROP IT DOWN TO SAY 10 MILES PER HOUR YOU TOE THAT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN SPEED -- THAT'S JOGGING SPEED RIGHT NOT ELECTRIC ASSIST SPEED. AND PEOPLE CAN STILL EYES THE SCOOTER FOR TO GET TO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO BUT THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE AS MUCH FUN DOING A JOYRIDE OR TRUE I GO TO POP A WHEELIE YOU KNOW ON THE PATH THERE. >> RIGHT. YEAH. >> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> YOU KNOW I WASN'T SPEAKING NEGATIVE ABOUT THE PROGRAM IN THE BEGINNING. I WAS JUST ASKING A QUESTION SO MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOME SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE HAVING YOU KNOW GREATLY. IN THIS COMMUNITY BY THE SCOOTERS. SO I THINK IT MADE A BIG TURN AROUND I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT TURNED AROUND BUT IT'S NOTICEABLE THAT YOU KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH PROBLEMS AS WE DID IN THE BEGINNING. >> RIGHT. >> MY LAST QUESTION TO YOU IS DURING THIS DAY AND AGE NOW WITH THIS VIRUS HOW DO YOU SARN TIES THOSE MACHINES -- SANITIZE THOSE MACHINES BEFORE YOU PUT THEM BACK OUT THERE OR DO YOU SANITIZE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM? >> WE DO. EVERY TIME WE TOUCH THEM WE SANITIZE THEM. AND WE TOUCH THEM AT LEAST ONCE PER DAY WHETHER THAT'S BRINGING THEM IN BECAUSE THEY NEED CHARGE OR WE'RE REBALANCING THEM FROM ONE PRAISE TO ANOTHER. >> OK. AND YOU HAVE -- SOME TYPE OF NOTIFICATION TO THE PUBLIC THAT THEY ARE SANITIZED? THAT'S A PLUS FOR YOU TO LET THEM KNOW THAT HEY THESE ARE SANITIZED EVERY DAY AND ONCE A NIGHT YOU KNOW. MAKE THEM BE AWARE. THAT'S THE EDUCATION PART OF IT. >> ABSOLUTELY YEAH. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ADVERTISE ALL THROUGH THE APP AS WELL. AND YOU KNOW ON OUR SCOOTERS IF YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE HANDLE BARS THEY GLOW GREEN THAT MEANS IT'S AVAILABLE AND READY TO RIDE AND IT'S BEEN INSPECTED BY OUR STAFF. IF IT'S RED IT SHOWS THAT YOU KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO RIDE. SO WE COMMUNICATE IT IN A VARIETY OF WAYS THERE. >> OK. THANK YOU. >> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. >> ADAM, I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS BUT IT'S SOMEWHAT REDO YOU UNDERSTAND DENT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IF AND I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT TO PERSUADE OTHERWISE. THE CITY MANAGER HAS BROUGHT UP A VERY INTERESTING POINT WITH REGARDS TO R.F.P. WITH THAT [01:05:04] BEING SAID AND YOU ACTUALLY ADDRESSING IT IS THERE ANY ARGUMENT WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD SATISFY LEGAL MUSTER TO PARTNER UP WITH YOU AS OPPOSED TO GO OUT TO R.F.P.? >> SURE. I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY A FEW. THE FIRST IS BASICALLY IF YOU GUYS FIND GEO-FENCING IMPORTANT AND WHEN I SAY IMPORTANT THAT MEANS THAT IF YOU GUYS WANT A GEO-FENCE TO ACTIVATE AND SLOW THE PERSON DOWN IN THE SAME SECOND THAT THEY CROSS THE BOUNDARY THERE'S ONLY ONE COMPANY THAT CAN DO THAT. AND SO YOU CAN GO OUT TO MARKET WITH THAT REQUIREMENT YOU KNOW ASK PEOPLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEIR GEO-FENCE CAN ACTIVATE IN ONE SECOND OF CROSSING THE BOUNDARY ON A CONSISTENT BASIS AND YOU'LL FIND THAT THE ONLY COMPANY THAT CAN DO THAT IS LINK. THE OTHER REST OF THE TECHNOLOGY ACTIVATES ANYWHERE BETWEEN 5 SECONDS AND 30 SECONDS AFTER SOMEBODY CROSSES THE BAND -- ARE. SO IF THAT TECHNOLOGY -- IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU GUYS I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A PRETTY STRONG ARGUMENT WHERE THERE'S ONLY ONE COMPANY THAT CAN PROVIDE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT YOU NEED FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. >> I APPRECIATE TRA THAT. NOW I'M GOING TO LOOK TO MY LEFT AND ASK MY CITY ATTORNEY IF THAT'S LEGALLY POSSIBLE THE PILOT PROGRAM IS OVER -- ARE WE IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO PARTNERSHIP UP WITH THIS COMPANY IN THE ABSENCE OF GOING OUT FOR R.F.P. >> MADAM MAYOR COMMISSIONERS I WOULD WANT TO LOOK BACK AT EXACTLY WHAT THIS COMMISSION APPROVED FOR THE PILOT PARTNERSHIP BUT IN GENERAL VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING AS WE DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ENTERING INTO CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS FOR LONGER THAN A YEAR IN THAT CASE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LEASING OR SELLING PROPERTY BUT AS A GENERAL PRINCIPAL IT IS BEST PRACTICES TO MAKE SURE YOU GO THROUGH THE R.F.P. PROCESS BECAUSE AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE THERE ARE 4 COMPANIES OUT THERE AND THERE MAY BE MANY MORE THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. I THINK THE IDEA BEHIND A PILOT PROGRAM IS TO SEE IF IT EVEN WORKS AND THAT'S WHY THE CITY MANAGER ALLUDED TO EARLIER IF THERE'S A SENSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SCOOTERS THEN THAT'S PROBABLY THE SAFEST BEST AND MOST REASONABLE ROUTE BUT WE WANTED TO GET YOUR STANCE AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. MIMS ALLUDED TO WHETHER IT WAS A SENSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SCOOTERS STILL IN FORCE PIERCE. THAT'S WHY YOU HAD A PILOT PROGRAM -- FORT PIERCE. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. >> YES, SIR. >> THE OTHER THING ADAM IF MAYOR POINTED OUT SHE HAD GOTTEN COMPLAINTS AND YOU PROPOSE SHALL WE PUT A STRICTER RESTRICTION ON THE ISLAND AS OPPOSED TO IF MAINLAND. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SOLUTION. I REALLY DO BELIEVE IT'S MORE OF A CULTURE ISSUE. PEOPLE ON THE MAINLAND TEND TO PUT UP WITH AT LEAST IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION CERTAIN TYPES OF BEHAVIOR MORE SO HAVE A GREATER TOLERANCE LEVEL THAN PEOPLE ON THE BEACH AND THAT'S NOT TO SHOW OR THROW ANY NEGATIVE INFERENCE ON EITHER ONE OF THEM BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A MORE CLEAR OF AN UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT THE PROBLEM IS IF ANY AT ALL. SO HOW WE DEAL WITH IT IF YOU'RE GRANTED THE OPPORTUNITY I DON'T KNOW IF PUTTING STRICTER RESTRICTIONS ON THE ISLAND VERSUS ONE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT MAINLAND IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT DISCRIMINATORY AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THAT. I JUST WANT TO NIP THAT IN THE BUT. I DON'T WANT TO -- THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS. THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS THAT JUST DON'T TOLERATE CERTAIN TYPES OF BEHAVIOR AND THEY COMPLAIN MORE AND THEY SHOULD. AND CERTAIN AREAS FROM A CULTURAL STANDPOINT BASED ON WHAT GOES ON THEY TEND TO ALLOW THINGS TO HAPPEN MORE SO THAN OTHERS. THAT'S MY INPUT ON THAT ISSUE. AND AGAIN I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB AT LEAST FROM A PILOT PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'VE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. IT HAS BEEN A LEARNING EXPERIENCE. I THINK THAT YOU INTRODUCED SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY NEW AND THERE'S GOING TO BE OPPOSITION TO SOME DEGREE WHEN YOU TRY TO TRANSITION FROM THE MORE RURAL TYPE OF SETTING VERSUS THE MORE URBAN. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW WITH REGARDS TO THIS CITY. SO AND THERE'S SOME THAT DON'T WANT IT TO TRANSITION OVER TO MORE OF THE URBAN AND THERE'S SOME THAT LOOK FOR IT TO REMAIN MORE RURAL. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION I WOULD HOPE IN TERMS OF YOU [01:10:05] DECIDING WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO AS FAR AS DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY. THANK YOU SIR. >> COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT -- >> SO AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SCOOTERS. I'M AT A POINT IN TIME WHERE YOU KNOW I DON'T RIDE I HAVE RIDDEN THEM I HAVE TO SAY THAT. I WOULD RATHER SOMETIMES IT'S NOT YOUR SCOOTER THAT I DON'T TRUST. IT'S MYSELF. BUT IF I WANT TO GET BETWEEN POINT A AND POINT B I FIND DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT. BUT I'VE SEEN THEM AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ENJOY THE EXPERIENCE. THEY'RE PARKED OUTSIDE OF RESTAURANTS. THEY'RE RIDING UP AND DOWN THE STREETS. PEOPLE HAVE HAVING A GOOD TIME. I EXPECT TO HAVE A LONG LIST OF REASONS WHY WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS GOING FORWARD. BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT. I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE WATCHING THIS RIGHT NOW OR LISTENING TO IT SAYING WHAT THE HECK? WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE. THOSE ARE MOSTLY PERCEPTION BASED AND WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE BENCH IF IT IS TO THE POPULUS THE WHOLE POPULOUS INCLUDING THE 25 YEAR OLDS AND THE 35 AND EVERYBODY ELSE LIKE THAT THIS REALLY MAKES SOME SENSE. AND IT'S UP TO US IT'S UP TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. IT'S UP TO THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS CITY TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH RULES AND REGULATIONS. YOU'RE GEO-FENCING I THINK IS KEY. I SAID THAT EARLY ON. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PICKED UP ON THAT AND TOOK OFF WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE R.F.P. BUT MY COMMUNICATION TO STAFF WOULD BE TO MAKE THAT IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME CONTROL SOME CONTROL. DON'T WANT TO THROW IT AWAY. WHEN WE GET RID OF THINGS LIKE THIS IT'S BECAUSE WE CAN'T CONTROL IT. WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO CONTROL ANYTHING. BUT WE CAN CONTROL THIS. WE CAN MAKE IT PART OF THE EXPERIENCE OF FORT PIERCE. I THINK IT'S A GREAT EXPERIENCE. SO FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD MY VOTE WOULD BE TO GO AHEAD AND TASK STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN R. . IF P USING THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE LEARNED IN THE LAST YEAR TO CREATE A DOCUMENT THAT CAN COVER MOST OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE ALREADY EXPERIENCED AND TALKED ABOUT AND HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT. NO WE'RE NOT GOING TO COVER THEM ALL BUT I THINK WE HAVE THIS IS A VERY INFORMED DECISION WHEN WE COME DOWN TO THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE EXPERIENCE THAT CAN RELATE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS FUNCTION. SO I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. >> I SECOND THAT. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS AND PERONE THAT BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS AND JUMPED RIGHT ONBOARD WITH THOSE -- YOU KNOW IT IS ABOUT WHAT WE LAID OUT IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. HOW DO WE MOVE IS WE TALK ABOUT THE LIFT SYSTEMS -- LYFT SYSTEMS AND MICRO MOBILITY. THAT'S HAPPENING. THAT'S HAPPENING. WE IT IS ON THE. THE P.O. AND TALK ABOUT THAT. AUTONOMOUS -- VEHICLES. THE TECHNOLOGY IS HERE. THERE IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ENHANCE OUR CITY. THE CRITICAL COMPONENTS R.F.P. REVENUE SHARING CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE. THE REVENUE THAT COMES BACK TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ASSIST IN THERE EFFORTS WHICH WE KNOW THERE ARE BUS STOPS. IS THAT A PRIME LOCATION? FOREVER TRANSPORTATION? WE HAVE A NEW -- COMMUNITY TRANSIT TYPE VENDOR IN ST. LOUIS SEE COUNTY SO WHAT PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE -- AND THEN THE EDUCATION COMPONENT. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? >> I'M READY FOR THE VOTE. >> WELL ARE WE VOTING TONIGHT OR GIVING YOU DIRECTION OR CONSENSUS? >> I BELIEVE THAT. >> YOU GOT MY CONSENSUS. >> I THINK IT'S CONSENSUS UNDER THIS SECTION. >> SO I'M GOING TO THE BE THE ODD MAN OUT BECAUSE OF MY COMMUNICATIONS HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE AND PEOPLE ARE VERY VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE KIND OF TAKING INTO THAT INTO ACCOUNT. BUT IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU'VE GOT 4 COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE THERE. SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. SO WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? EXCUSE ME. IN EGGS NEAR JOHNSON. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE -- COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS FORWARD AND THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE R.F.P. PROCESS CAN COME FORWARD AND COMMENT. THAT'S THE BEAUTY. WE CAN DECIDE AS A COMMUNITY AND TOGETHER. I KNOW THERE'S INFORMATION OUT THERE BUT WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO A PUBLIC HEARING IN A FORM OF VOTE AND SAY YES OR NO. >> RIGHT. GOOD POINT. >> XHEGS NEAR. >> ALSO -- COMMISSIONER. >> WE HAVEN'T TALK ABOUT THEM [01:15:04] BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WEIGH IN ON THIS TO HELP US WITH THE DRAFTING OF THIS R.F.P. AND DON'T SAY NO. PLAY NICE. I'M SURE WE CREATE THESE THINGS AN THROW THEM OUT ON THE STREET AND THEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS TO DEAL WITH IT. I WOULD LIKE THEIR INPUT ON THIS BEFORE WE GET GOING TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. >> MAYOR I RECOMMEND THAT IF WE WISH FOR OUR CITIZENS RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO CONTINUE TO ENJOY THIS AMEN TITI DURING THE TIME THAT WE'RE DRAFTING THE -- R.F.P. AND RECEIVING PROPOSALS AND EVALUATING PROPOSALS I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A MONTH TO MONTH TYPE CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS ORGANIZATION WHEREBY WE STILL WORK TOWARD RESOLVING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED TODAY BUT I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE BEST FEASIBLE MANNER TO GET THIS. SO IF THAT IS OKAY. >> THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> NOW YOU WANT US TO DO THE R.F.P. BUT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE DOING BUSINESS WITH THEM IN THE INCIDENT THE ERR RIM. >> YES, SIR MONTH TO MONTH SIR -- INTERIM. >> ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE CON IDENTIFIESING ME NOW. ALL RIGHT. BUT OK -- CONFUSING ME NOW. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. ALAN I KNOW YOUR COMPANY HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN LIGHT OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN WHAT YOU'VE PUT INTO IT. IT'S BEEN A PROTOCOL HERE FOR -- IT'S THE LAW FOR THE MOST PART AS OUR ATTORNEY HAS INDICATED. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW THE LAW AROUND HERE OR ELSE WE CAN GET IN TROUBLE IN TERMS OF THE R.F.P. PROCESS. AND THERE'S SOME REQUIREMENTS. >> WE LOVE TO COMPETE SIR BECAUSE WE BELIEVE WE'RE THE BEST. SO WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE ANOTHER SHOT TO GO HEAD TO HEAD. >> I LIKE THAT. YOU'RE LIKE ME. I'M A COMPETITOR. I LOVE THAT. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE DOING BUSINESS WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE. BUT IN THE INTERIM AS OUR CITY MANAGER HAS INDICATED I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CONTINUING TO DO BUSINESS WITH YOU UNTIL WE GET THIS R.F.P. BUSINESS STRAIGHTENED OUT. >> COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT. >> -- I ALWAYS LOOK TO LEAVE WITH SOME SENSE OF WHEN THIS THING IS GOING TO GET ACOME TO ACCOMPLISHED. R.F.P. TAKES PROCESSING. WE NEED INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC. AS WE MOVE FORWARD BUT YOU'RE THE CITY MANAGER AND I'M ASKING YOU TO GIVE US YOUR TIMING ON THIS ISSUE. >> SURE. I WOULD SAY CONSERVATIVELY I WOULD SAY 60 DAYS TO DRAFT AND HAVE IT PREPARED FOR PUBLIC ADVERTISEMENT. ANOTHER 30-60 DAYS FOR PROPOSALS TO COME IN AND THEN EVALUATION AND THEN PRESENTATION TO YOU. SO I WOULD SAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 MONTHS TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND THAT WAY WE'LL HAVE A DEFINITIVE DIRECTION FOR YOU-ALL TO CONSIDER. >> WELL A HAPPY COMMUNITY. >> WELL THEY BETTER MAKE SURE AND COME OUT AND GIVE SOME INPUT SO ALL THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE I HOPE YOU'RE WATCHING. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ENJOY HAVING AS AN AMENITY IN OUR CITY. SO YOUR VOICE NEEDS TO BE HEARD AS WE EMBARK ON THIS DECISION. THANK YOU. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> ALL RIGHTY SHALL WE MOVE ON? THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU, ADAM. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU. HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING. >> OK. [11. CONSENT AGENDA] NEXT ITEM IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> COMMISSIONER ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONER THAT WOULD LIKE TO PULL AN ITEM. >> YES I WOULD LIKE TO PULL B AND C. WAIT A MINUTE. I'M SORRY. C AND D. >> C AND D? >> C AND D. >> OK. ANYTHING ELSE? THEN I'LL TO ENTER TAKEN. >> APPROVE THE REMAINDER -- >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CONCEPT AGENDA. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. [c. Approval of request to reduce lot clearing fees in the amount of $639.05 against 605 N 20th Street, Fort Pierce, FL, Parcel ID Number 2404-716-0036-000-5 owned by Dena K. Matthews, P. O. Box 1173, Fort Pierce, FL 34954. In accordance with previously established policy, staff recommends the approval to waive the costs for interest, penalties, and fees leaving a balance due of $236.05 payable in 30 days.] [d. Approval of request to reduce lot clearing fees in the amount of $704.40 against 605 N 20th Street, Fort Pierce, FL, Parcel ID Number 2404-716-0036-000-5 owned by Dena K. Matthews, P. O. Box 1173, Fort Pierce, FL 34954. In accordance with previously established policy, staff recommends the approval to waive the costs for interest, penalties, and fees leaving a balance due of $500.00 payable in 30 days.] READ THESE TOGETHER SINCE THEY'RE THE SAME PERSON AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THEM. >> C AND D IS THE SAME. >> C IS A PROVE HAVE OF REQUEST TO REDUCE LOT CLEARING FEES IN THE AMOUNT OF 639 DOLLARS AND 5 CENTS AGAINST 605 NORTH WENT TEETH STREET IN FORT PIERCE, [01:20:05] FLOW ARED DA OWNED BY DEANA MATTHEWS IN ACCORDANCE WITH POLICIES STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL TO WAVE THE COST FOR INTEREST PENALTIES AND FEES LEAVING A BALANCE DUE OF $236 AND 5 CENTS PAYABLE IN 30 DAYS. AND THEN ITEM D IS APPROVAL OF REQUEST TO REDUCE LOT CLEARING FEES IN THE AMOUNT OF 704 DOLLARS AND 40 CENTS AGAINST 605 NORTH 20TH STREET AGAIN OWNED BY DEANA MATTHEWS LEAVING A BALANCE DUE OF $500 PAYABLE IN 30 DAYS. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> YES. AND THAT'S MY POINT IS THESE LOOK LIKE TYPE OCCASIONS ON THE SAME PROPERTIES AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING TO BE PAID IS A VAST DIFFERENCE AND I'M WONDERING WHY IF IT'S NOT THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IN THE FEES. WHY IS IT SUCH A DIFFERENCE IN THE PAYABLE? >> OK. MISS ERASE -- >> GOOD EVENING MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SO YOU'RE QUESTIONING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 60039 I'M SORRY. >> IT'S THE SAME PROPERTY. >> IT IS THE SAME PROPERTY. THEY'RE 2 DIFFERENT LOOERNS. >> DIFFERENT CHARGE? >> YEAH -- LIENS. >> DIFFERENT CHARGE PAID TO THE CITY. YOU HAVE 236 FOR ONE ITEM AND 500 FOR THE OTHER ONE AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THE 2 FEES. WHY IS THERE SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE YOU UNDERSTAND NOW? >> YES, I DO SIR. SO I DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT BUT I CAN TELL FROM THIS HEADING IT SAYS LOT CLEARING LIEN REDEVELOPMENT. THIS IS 11 C FOR 639 WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BACK IN THE EARLY 2000 SANDS BECAUSE BACK THEN WAS WHEN THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY WAS FUNDING THE LOT CLEARING. AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INTEREST AND PENALTIES THAT ACCUMULATED OVER THOSE YEARS WHERE AS THE 11-D WAS JUST DONE IN THE RECENT PAST. AND IT DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH INTEREST AND ACCUMULATION. SO THERE'S PROBABLY A 10 YEAR DIFFERENCE. >> I DON'T HAVE THE SAME WHAT YOU READ. I ONLY HAVE LOT CLEARING FEES IN THE AMOUNT OF AND ON THIS PROPERTY SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY AND IT'S ALMOST $200 DIFFERENCE. WHAT IS IT? >> YES, SIR. >> $150 DIFFERENCE? >> YES. >> BUT I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME PROPERTY YOU KNOW. WHY WOULD THEY CHARGE THEM DIFFERENT FOR CLEARING A LOT THAN THEY DID AND YOU YOU'RE SAYING IT'S 10 YEARS DIFFERENCE OR SOMETHING? >> SIR BASED ON THE INFORMATION I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME THERE'S PROBABLY 10 YEARS BETWEEN THE 2 LIENS AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS ASKED TO BE DONE. >> OK. WELL LOT CLEARING IS LOT CLEARING. SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY SHOULD BE SAME RESULT. BUT I MOVE TO APPROVE. >> IS THERE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> OK. NEXT WE HAVE RESOLUTION SHIP 20 -- ARE. [a. Resolution No. 20-R37 and Quasi-Judicial Hearing – A hearing to allow the owners and/or parties of interest in the property identified as 604 N 25th Street to show cause why the structure located on the premises should not be condemned and demolished.] 37 A RESOLUTION DETERMINING THAT A CERTAIN STRUCTURE BUILDING OR STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 6:04 NORTH 25TH STREET IN FORT PIERCE FLORIDA IS UNSAFE AND A NUISANCE THAT CONDITIONS CITY TIGHTS A MENACE TO THE BUSINESS HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY AND THAT SAID BUILDING OR STRUCTURE SHALL BE DEMOLISHED DECLARING THE PARTIES OF THERE WERE PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY OH BE HEARD AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING THE BUILDING AND STRUCTURE AND ORDERING THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO REMOVE IT AND APPLAUSE A LIEN ON IT PROVIDING FOR APPEAL PROVIDING FOR NOTICE OF ALL PARTIES AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING. >> MAYOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION. >> SURE. >> THERE WERE TWO ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE MOTION RIGHT. >> WE READ THEM BOTH TOGETHER. >> WE ALWAYS DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY BUT YOU COMBINED THEM? >> YES BECAUSE I READ THEM TOGETHER. >> IS THAT OK WITH YOU MR. ATTORNEY? >> I GUESS IT GOES BACK TO [01:25:02] EXACTLY THE MOTION THAT COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER MADE IF HE MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE BOTH. >> HE JUST REMOVED THE 2. >> C AND D. >> WE CAN DO THAT? >> I PREFER IT NOT BE DONE THAT WAY BUT HE DIDN'T CLARIFY WHICH ONE C OR D. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER WERE YOU MOVING TO REMOVE C AND D? >> YES. >> FOR THE RECORD. >> STAND DOWN. >> LET THE RECORD SHOW. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO THANK YOU FOR POINTING IT OUT. WE WANT TO DO THINGS RIGHT. I APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE QUASI JUDICIAL AND MR. SWEENEY IS GOING TO READ THE RULES FOR QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS AND HE'LL ONLY READ IT ONCE UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS HIM TO READ IT LATER SO MR. SWEENEY. >> MADAM MAYOR WE HAVE A UNIQUENESS THAT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE LAID OUT BECAUSE THE ITEM A AND B AND THEN LATER ON ITEM K IS ALSO GOING TO BE QUASI JUDICIAL. SO THEY'RE KIND OF INTER OFFICERSD. >> NORMALLY WE HAVE THEM YEAH EXACTLY. >> I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF THAT. MAYOR THE CITY COMMISSION SERVES BOTH A LEGISLATIVE AND QUASI JUDICIAL ROLL. WHEN ACTING AS A LEGISLATIVE THE COMMISSION PASSES LAWS AND ESTABLISHING PO ALL TESTON. WHEN ACTING AS A QUASI COMMISSION THING POLICY IT IS HELD TO STRICT ERR PROCEDURE REQUIREMENTS. QUASI ARE LESS FORMAL THAN PROCEEDINGS BEFORE A CIRCUIT COURT BUT ARE MORE FOREMAN THAN A NORMAL COMMISSION MEETING. QUASI JUDICIAL MUST FOLLOW NOTICE AND DUE PROCESS AND DECISIONS MUST BE MADE BASED ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. THERE FOR COMMISSIONERS HAVE A DUTY TO CONDUCT THE KWAU QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS MORE LIKE JUDGES THAN LEGISLATURES. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE ESTABLISHED RULES THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED THIS EVENING. >> THANK YOU I HAVE MUCH. MADAM CLERK HAVE WE ARE MET THE ADVERTISING AND NOTICE. >> THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS ITEM HAS BEEN MET. >> WOULD YOU POLE THE COMMISSION AND ASK THEM IF THEY'VE HAD ANY EX PARTE COMMISSION OCCASIONS. >> HAS ANY MEMBER HAD EX PARTE XHIEGS CASE SHIPS WITH REGARD TO THIS PROPERTY. >> SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES NOW? >> WOULD ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT PLANS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE STAND. DO YOU SWIR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. WE'LL ASK THAT WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND TO CLARIFY THAT YOU ARE SWORN IN. SHE'LL CALL YOU DOWN IN A FEW MINUTES. >> PLEASE PROCEED. >> GOOD EVENING MADAM MAYOR COMMISSIONERS WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE REQUEST FOR CONDEMNATION OF THE STRUCTURE AT 6:04 NORTH 25TH STREET. FOR A BRIEF HISTORY ON THIS PROPERTY THIS WAS CONDEMNED BY BUILDING OFFICIAL MARK MEIJER'S BACK IN 2013. APPROXIMATELY 7 YEARS AGO. AT THIS TIME THE OWNER FILED AN APPEAL WITH THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS. THE OWNER AT THAT TIME DIDN'T DESPITE THE CONDEMNATION. SHE WAS REQUESTING MORE TIME TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATE SOLUTIONS AND HER REQUEST WAS DENIED BY THE BOARD. HOWEVER NO ACTION WAS TAKEN AND THE TITLE TRANSFERRED VIA TAX DEED IN 2014. IT THEN TRANSFERRED DURING I HAVE WHY QUIT CLAIM DEED IN THE CURRENT OWNER VIA QUIT CLAIM DEED IN AUGUST 2015. WE ARE NOW UNDER A NEW CONDEMNATION ACTION WHICH WE INITIATED IN AUGUST OF 2018. A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE EBB INSPECTION SHIRN REPORT WAS COMPLETED ON JULY 15TH 2018. ON HIS REPORT HE STATED THAT NO PERMITS HAD BEEN OBTAINED SINCE THE CONDEMNATION NOTICE WAS LAST SENT. THAT WOULD BE THE ONE IN 2013. AND HE RECOMMENDED FOR DEMOLITION IF NOT REHABILITATED IN A TIMELY MANNER. WITH NO ACTION BEING TAKEN BY THE OWNER THE STAFF IS MOVING FORWARD AND BRINGING THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE STRUCTURE TO BE DEMOLISHED TO THE COMMISSION. >> THE NOTICE OF UNSAFE BUILDING WAS SEPTEMBER CERTIFIED MAIL AND WE DID RECEIVED THE SIGNED RETURN RECEIPT FROM THE OWNER IN AUGUST OF 2018. ONES WE COME PLEATED THE TITLE SEARCH WE FOUND A TAX CERTIFICATE HOLDER AND WE'VE PROVIDED THEM NOTICE AS WELL. THEY WERE INCLUDED ON THE NOTICE OF HEARING THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED 2 MEETINGS AGO. THERE WAS MULTIPLE XHUGS CANES SHINS WITH THE CURRENT OWNER. ON AUGUST 172018 THE COMPUTER RECORD DID NOT STATE THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL. I BELIEVE IT WAS THE OWNER CONTACTED CODE ENFORCEMENT REQUESTING EXTENSION. SEAN CLOSS APPROVED A 30 DAY EXTENSION. ON OCTOBER 10TH 2018 IS WHEN I STARTED DIRECT COMMUNICATION [01:30:02] WITH MR. PIERRE WHO WAS THE OWNER. HE INDICATED HE WAS GOING TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE AND I GRANTED 30 DAYS. ON NOVEMBER 162018 I GRANTED AN EXTENSION TO THE FIRST MONDAY OF 2019. MR. PIERRE SAID HIS CONTRACTOR WAS IN CHILI. WE GRANTED THE EXTENSION TO THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. THEN ON JANUARY 7TH MR. PIERRE STATED HE HAD A NEW CONTRACTOR WAS BUSY THROUGH JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. SO WE GRANTED AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS AND THEN IN FEBRUARY WE GRANTED ONE MORE 30 DAY EXTENSION. ON MARCH 4TH 2019 MR. PIERRE STATED HE CONTRACTED WITH L.E. B DEMOLITION AND I DID SPEAK WITH THEM. SO I GRANTED AN EXTENSION UNTIL JUNE TO ALLOW FOR THE WORKING TO BE COMPLETED. BUT AGAIN NO PERMITS WERE APPLIED FOR NO WORK US COMPLETED AND THAT WAS THE LAST COMMUNICATION I HAD FOR MR. PIERRE. IN FEBRUARY THIS ACTUALLY CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION BUT WAS QUICKLY POSTPONED DUE TO COVID BUT WHICH ARE MOVING FORWARD REQUESTING THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE. JUST SOME BRIEF FACTS ON THE STRUCTURE IT IS NOT HOMESTEADD. IT IS VACANT. IT IS NOT OCCUPIED. ANY ATTEMPTS BY THE OWNER TO REMEDY THE VIOLATION WE GRANT MULTIPLE EXTENSION HOPING HE WOULD TAKE ACTION. UNFORTUNATELY NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. WE HAVE SEVERAL LOT CLEARING CASES WHERE THE CITY VENDOR HAD TO GO AND CUT THE GRASS. IT'S NOT HISTORIC AND THERE'S NO UTILITIES. THERE'S NO BUILDING PERMITS AND WE DID COMPLETE THE TITLE SEARCH WHERE WE FOOD ONE ADDITIONAL INTERESTED PARTY AND THEY WERE PROVIDED NOTICE. -- SO HERE'S PHOTOS OF THE STRUCTURE. THESE WERE TAKEN LAST WEEK. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A LOT OF DETERIORATION OF THE ROOF. WRONG ONE SORRY. BUT AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF IS DETERIORATED QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY. THERE'S A LOT OF WOOD ROT AROUND THE STRUCTURE. AND THEN IN THIS PHOTO YOU CAN SEE HOW BADLY THE ROOF IS AND THE WALLS ARE ACTUALLY SEPARATING NOW ON THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE. THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS 6 OH 4 NORTH 25TH HERE. IT HAS VACANT LOTS TO THE NORTH AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES SURROUNDING IT. THIS IS RIGHT ON NORTH 25TH STREET AT AVENUE. HE. IT IS A CORNER OF 25TH AND. HE RIGHT THERE. SO SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE WAS PRESENTED BY THE CITY THE COMMISSION CAN ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 -- ARE. 37. IT COULD AMEND THE RESOLUTION OR IT COULD DENY THE RESOLUTION IN TOTAL. AT THIS POINT IF IT WAS TO BE APPROVED NOTICE WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE OWNER OF THE COMMISSION APPS DECISION AND HAVE 30 DAYS TO APPEAL. TORE OF COURSE TAKE ACTION ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT THE CITY TAKING THE ACTION. IF THOSE 30 DAYS EXPIRE WE DO SEND ONE FINAL NOTICE WITH 15 DAYS GIVING THE OWNER ONE LAST CHANCE GIVING THE ACTION AND IF THAT DOES NOT WORK THE CITY WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH DEMOLISHING THE STRUCTURE. THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF. >> DO WE KNOW HOW LONG THE UTILITIES HAVE BEEN INACTIVE? >> THEY WERE I DID ACTIVE QUITE SOME TIME AGO BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN IN THE ORIGINAL FILE. >> THE OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE REGARDING THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MULTIPLE CONSTRUCTION TYPES WHETHER IT'S WOOD FRAME I SAW SOME BLOCK I SAW BREAK AND SOME STUCCO SECTIONS. SO IS THAT CONSISTENT MY OBSERVATIONS OF THE PICTURES? >> THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. I'M NOT A BUILDING EXPERT BUT I BELIEVE I'VE SEEN THE SAME BECAUSE YOU SEE WOOD HERE ON THE OUTSIDE. I DON'T KNOW AND THERE'S WOOD BACK HERE BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTERIOR IS WHAT'S UNDER THAT. >> SO IS THAT SECTION THERE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS THAT A PASS THROUGH WALKWAY; IS IT 2 STRUCTURES WITH A COMMON ROOF. >> YES. THIS IS A CONCRETE WALL HERE AND THAT PASSAGE GOES RIGHT IN HERE BETWEEN THIS STRUCTURE AND THIS STRUCTURE. >> AND I'M OBSERVING AT THAT CORNER ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE BASICALLY THE RIGHT HALF OF THE MIDDLE THERE'S A CLOSEUP OF THAT SECTION. IT LOOKS LIKE INSECTS -- INSECTS IN FIRST STATION POSSIBLY DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER PICTURE -- INFESTATION. >> THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE. >> YES NO IT EANOTHER PICTURE. IN MY PRESENTATION ONLINE IT HAS A CORNER SECTION PICTURE. IT'S NOT THAT PICTURE. IS THERE ANOTHER ONE. IT'S OKAY IF NOT? [01:35:04] >> NO. I HAD THIS ONE. I KNOW THERE WAS A DUPLICATE SLIDE I FOUND OF THIS PICTURE BUT THAT WAS. >> GO BACK 2 SLIDES I CAN SHOW YOU RIGHT THERE THAT CORNER. SEE THAT CORNER IS CLOSEST TO YEAH RIGHT THERE. OK. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I'M SEEING ACCURATELY. THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> YOU HAVE A VIEW FROM 25TH STREET IN THE FRONT WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES? >> I DO NOT HAVE THAT PHOTO, NO. >> WHAT ABOUT THE SURROUNDING AREA OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF OTHER THAN YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING? >> NO. >> AVENUE. HE. >> SO -- AVENUE. HE THE PROPERTY NEXT TO IT IS JOINED TO IT. >> IT'S ON THE SAME PARCEL. >> IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CONNECTED TOGETHER >>NO, SIR. LET ME SEE IF I CAN ZOOM IN. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. >> SO THIS IS A SEPARATE STRUCTURE HERE. THIS IS A TREE BETWEEN THE 2 AND THEN THIS IS 604. >> THAT'S THE WHOLE ENTIRE PROPERTY? >> YES. THIS IS THE WHOLE PROPERTY. THE WALK WHICH WE WERE SHOWING GOES RIGHT IN HERE. THE WALL THAT WAS SEPARATING IS THIS WALL BACK HERE. >> THAT MAKES SENSE. IT'S THE WHOLE PROPERTY. >> YES, THE WHOLE STRUCTURE. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS 2 SEPARATE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> OK. IT'S NOW TIME FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AND ARE WE SOON ANYTHING TONIGHT MS. COX? >> YES PLEASE. >> YOU'LL SOON IN TONIGHT. IF YOU'LL SOON IN RIGHT AT THE PODIUM SOON YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND I'M GOING TO SEE IF HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU MISS AND THEN IF HE DOESN'T YOU'LL BE EXCUSED. YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE. YES. NOW COULD YOU STATE OR DO YOU NAME AND ADDRESS FOR US, PLEASE FOR THE RECORD YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> CHARLES 6-120 NORTHWEST GINGER LANE PORT ST. LOUIS SEE FLORIDA. >> THANK YOU SIR -- DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MISS FOR THE PRESENTATION. >> NO WHATEVER SHE WAS SAYING IS TRUE. >> THAT'S FINE. SO YOU MAY BE EXCUSED MISS. SO YOU MAY SPEAK TO US. >> WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY 3 OF US BOUGHT IT TOGETHER. WE INTENDED TO REDO IT BUT IT WAS COSTING TOO MUCH. WE JUST PUT IT ON THE MARKET TO SELL IT BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE CALL A COMPANY TO DEM MEDICAL LISH IT THE MONEY WE -- PAID FOR AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING US FOR IT'S WAY UP WAY HIGHER THAN WHAT WE SPENT TO BUY IT. SO WE PUT IT ON THE MARKET. I JUST SPOKE TO THE REAL ESTATE AGENT TODAY. HE TOLD ME HE HAD 2 INVESTORS ON IT RIGHT NOW BUT THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO. >> I GOT A QUESTION. >> YES COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> SIR EVEN IN YOUR OWN OPINION THE BUILDING IS DEMOLISH BL BECAUSE YOU WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE DO MEDICAL LISHD AM I CORRECT -- >> IF WE HAVE NO CHOICE THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO. >> YOU SAID YOU MADE ATTEMPTS TO DEMOLISH IT. >> WE WANTED TO REDESIGN IT TO BUILD IT FOR A BUSINESS. WE COULDN'T FIND ANY WAY TO DO IT UNLESS WE DEMOLISH IT. EVERY TIME WE CALL A COMPANY TO DO SO THE MONEY THEY ASK FOR SIT WAY HIGHER THAN WHAT WE PAID FOR. >> -- THE ONLY ISSUE YOU THINK IT'S TOO COSTLY DO THE DEM LISH SHIN WHY DON'T YOU LET THE CITY TEAR IT DOWN? LET ME TELL YOU WHY. YOU GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT A BETTER AN CLEANER APPLAUSE. THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN SITTING THERE FOR THE LONGEST AND IT'S IN A TERRIBLE STATE. COME ON NOW. THE CITY HAS BENT OVER BACKWARDS WITH YOU GIVING YOU TIME AFTER TIME AGAIN. >> I AGREE. >> SO IF IT'S A PROBLEM THEN WHY DON'T YOU LET US TEAR IT DOWN AND YOU PAY US BECAUSE THIS NEEDS TO GO. >> THIS IS THE WAY I CAN DO IT I HAVE NO CHOICE. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? >> I HAVE ONE. >> COMMISSIONER. >> WHAT WAS THE PRICE THAT YOU SAID THAT THE PRICE WAS TOO MUCH TO HAVE IT TORN DOWN SO WHAT WAS [01:40:06] THAT NUMBER? >> $18,000. >> 18,000. >> CAN WE BEAT THAT I'M SORRY MAYOR? CAN WE BEAT THAT PRICE? >> LET'S MAKE A DEAL. >> I'M SERIOUS. EVERYBODY IS WORKING HARD IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY TO CLEAN THINGS UP AND THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST EYE SORES ON 25TH TREAT. WHEN I COME IN FORT PIERCE I LIKE TO RIDE DOWN STREETS AND SHOW OFF MY CITY AND WHEN I RIDE DOWN 25TH STREET WE LOOK OVER THERE. THIS IS TESHL AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON TOO LONG NOW -- TERRIBLE. >> OUR QUOTE IS FOR 11900 $22 AND 50 CENTS. >> WE CAN DO IT CHEAPER THAN. WE NEED TO BE MAKING A DEAL SOMETHING. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> OH I'M LISTENING AND I THINK EVERYTHING IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO L.E. V THEY DO CITY WORK SO SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE THEY GOT YOU KNOW HELP US HELP THEM. >> OK. THANK YOU SIR. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY? >> ONLY ONE THING I CAN SAY. IF WE CAN FIND A BETTER WAY TO HELP US THAT WOULD BE GOOD. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? SEEING NO ONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER TAKEN DISCUSSION OR A MOTION. >> MAD DAM MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. >> -- MADAM. DID I NOT UNDERSTAND HE SAID 18,000 AND PEGGY SAID 11,000? >> THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. >> OK. IN THE CITY TAKE IT DOUBT THEY CAN DO PAYMENT PLAN WITH THIS GENTLEMAN? >> I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. >> I'M ASKING PEGGY. >> MISS PEGGY. >> I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION. >> IN THE CITY TEARS THE BUILDING DOWN CAN THEY DO A PAYMENT PLAN? >> -- >> THE OWNERS CAN THEY DO A PAYMENT PLAN? PAY THE CITY BACK? >> I WOULD REALLY PREFER JOHN TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN INDIVIDUALS IN THE PAST WHO DID PAYMENT PLANS. THEY MADE ARRANGEMENTS TO PAY PAYMENT PLANS. >> YOU CAN'T GET BLOOD OUT OF A TURN NIP SO IF HE WALK AWAY WE DON'T GET ANYTHING SO WHY CAN'T WE MAKE A DEAL? >> CORRECT SIR. I KNOW THE PROCESS IS THAT ONCE THE CITY DOES DO THE WORK AN INVOICE IS SENT TO THE OWNERS -- WHICH GIVES THEM THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THEY WOULD NEED TO CONTACT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT ONCE THEY RECEIVED THAT INVOICE. >> OK. I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD ASK. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> AND I ADD ONTO THAT IN LIGHT OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE THAT SHE JUST GAVE US CAN WE TAG OH THAT ONTO THE MOTION MAKE THAT TAG THAT ON WITH THAT STIPULATION THERE THAT WE WORK OUT? >> MADAM MAYOR COMMISSIONER SESSIONS IF YOU'LL REFERENCE THE RESOLUTION WHICH IS STANDARD LANGUAGE WE PUT IN ALL THE RESOLUTION IN SECTION THREE WHENEVER WE DO A DEMOLITION WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A LIKELY HIDE WE WON'T GET PAID BACK EVEN IMMEDIATELY SO WE FILE A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY. THE LIEN FOLLOWS THE PROPERTY UNTIL THERE'S A TRANSFER. YOU COULD FORECLOSE ON A LIEN WE HAVE DONE THAT. IN THE PAST. SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT SIR IS THAT I CAN'T GUARANTEE WE'LL EVER SEE A PENNY OF IT BUT I CAN GIVE YOU THE BEST OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO TRY TO ENSURE THAT WE WILL BE MADE WHOLE. MUCH LIKE YOU SAW EARLIER IN THE CONSENT AGENDA SEVERAL ITEMS WHERE WE HAVE LIENS FOR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. THERE'S A REQUEST YOU EVALUATE EACH ONE BUT IF THIS IS A PARTIAL THAT'S DEVELOP BL SUBSEQUENT TO THIS BEING DEMOLISHED AND THEY WANT TO SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A $11,000 LIEN ON IT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SATISFIED OR ALTERNATIVELY WE FOREVER CLOEFTD LIENS BEFORE. I'M SAYING I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF ALL OPTIONS. >> I UNDERSTAND. NOT THAT I'M TRYING TO ENCOURAGE HIM TO SIT ON TOP OF THE LIEN BUT IT WOULD BE WORTH IT $11,800 FOR THE WHOLE SEE TO GET RID OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EYESORE THAT'S IT'S BEEN FOR YEARS. EVEN IN THE CITY TOOK A LOSS WHOEVER BUYS IT TAKES IT WITH THE LIEN. BUT RIGHT NOW THE MAIN THING IS TO GET IT DOWN. [01:45:03] BECAUSE IT'S TIME. LONG OVER DO. >> YES MAKE AMOTION FOR APPROVAL. >> IS THERE A SECOND >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. [b. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and approval of an application for Final Plat, submitted by Property Owner(s) Lally Development, Inc. and Applicant, Tim Foster, Vice President, Caulfield & Wheeler Inc., to subdivide 2.48 acres of land, Replat of the Townhouse Tract of Buildings C, D, and E for the Magnolia Square subdivision located at Liberty Square Way, Franklin Square Lane, and 3334 Madison Square Lane Fort Pierce, Florida 34982. ] >> OKAY THE NEXT QUASI JUDICIAL WE HAVE IS REVIEW AND APOLICE OFFICER VAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR FINAL PLATT FOR LALLI DEVELOPED AND APPLICANT TIM FOSTER VICE PRESIDENT OF COUGH FIELD AND WHEELER TO SUBDIVIDE -- 2.4 ACRES OF LAND REPLAT OF TOWN HOME BUILDING C, D AND. HE FROM MAGNOLIA SQUARE SUBDIVISION LOCATED AT LIBERTY SQUARE WAY FRANKLIN SQUARE LANE AND 3334 MADISON SQUARE LANE OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. >> THANK YOU. SO THIS IS A QUASI JIED DISH SHALL HEARING. MADAM CLERK HAVE WE MET THE ADVERTISING AND NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. WE HAVE. >> COULD WE FIND OUT IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAD EX PARTE XHIEGS OCCASIONS. >> -- XHUGS CANES SHINS. >> -- COMMUNICATIONS. >> SO I THINK IT IS TIME TO SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES. >> WILL ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND INCLUDING ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> I DO. >> THANK YOU. WILL YOU COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD >> SO PLEASE PROCEED. >> MAD AM THE MAYOR COMMISSIONERS THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST FOR REPLAT OFF A PORTION OF THE MAGNOLIA SQUARE SUBDIVISION. PROPERTY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE HAPPENED DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL LOW WITH WHATS BL ZONING CLASSIFICATION SHIP OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. -- THE SUBDIVISION IT CONSISTS OF BOTH MULTI-FAMILY AND SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. CURRENTLY THERE ARE LOTS OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW. THE PETITIONER HAS REQUESTED MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE PLAT IN ORDER TO REDESIGN THE LAST REMAINING TOWNHOUSE SECTIONS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH TOES THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING AND CONSTRUCTED. THE ONE THAT'S FURTHER TO THE EAST -- FURTHEST TO THE EAST CONSISTS OF 10 LOTS THAT ARE ALL COMBINED AND THE PETITIONER HAS ASKED FOR IT TO BE REPLATTED SO WHERE THERE WOULD BE ONLY 8 AND HAVE A BREEZEWAY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER DESIGNS FOR THE OTHER TOWN HOMES. THERE BY LOSING 2 UNITS. BUT HAVING THE DESIGN COMPATIBLE WITH REMAINING PORTIONS OF THE PLAT. >> STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS THE REPLAT MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING APPROVAL WHICH IS OUR STANDARD CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR PLATS WHICH IS TO PROVIDE 2 MILE LARS FOR APPROPRIATE SIGNATURES AND THE PLAT BE RECORD WITH THE CLERK OF THE COURTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS STATED IN CHAPTER 177. PLANNING BOARD DID REVIEW THIS REPLAT AT THEIR JULY 14TH MEETING AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PLAT. CITY COMMISSION ACTIONS TONIGHT WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED REPLAT WITH ONE CONDITION APPROVE THE PROPOSED MINOR REPLAT WITH CHANGES OR ADDITION TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR TO DENY THE PROPOSED REPLAT. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> MAYOR ONE QUICK QUESTION. >> YES, SIR. >> WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE. IT SAID THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN BUILT WATER SEWER STORM WATER CONNECTIONS ANY COMMENTS. >> THERE HAVE BEEN NONE. THIS WAS AN ITEM PROVIDE BY OTHER TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND ALL OF THE REVIEW AGENCIES RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO IS THE APPLICANT HERE OR ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE; IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? PLEASE COME FORWARD. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND I DON'T THINK YOU WERE SWORN IN; IS THAT CORRECT? ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. >> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> YES, I DO. >> NOW IF YOU'LL SOON IN FOR ME AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. >> CITY MANAGER YOU SHOULD HAVE SET US UP TONIGHT. WE'LL BE IN HERE ALL NIGHT MAN. COVID-19 SEASON. >> YES, SIR. NOW IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME. FIRST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FIRST. [01:50:04] >> 5292 NORTHWEST RUGBY PORT ST. LUCIE. >> WELCOME. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MISS? >> NO, I'M JUST HEAR HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PLATTING. I'M THE SURVEYOR. >> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> NO, MA'AM. >> IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY IS EXCITED ABOUT IT. OKAY THANK YOU SIR. THANKS YOU FOR BEING HERE. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE? PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE -- I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOTION. >> MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> OK. [c. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 20-015 - extending the territorial limits of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida, to include 4114 Poinsetta Avenue in Fort Pierce, Florida. SECOND READING] NEXT WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE HEARING WHICH IS ORDINANCE 20 -- ZERO ONE 5 ORDINANCE EXTENDED TERRITORIAL LIMITS OF FORT PIERCE TO INCLUDE 4114 POINSETTIA AVENUE IN FORT PIERCE FLORIDA AND SHOWN ON EXHIBIT A DIRECTING THE PROPERTY APPRAISER TO ASSESS SAID PROPERTY AND APPLAUSE IT ON THE CITY TAX ROLLS AS OF JANUARY 12021 DIRECTING THE TAX COLLECTOR TO COLLECT TAXES ON THE PROPERTY ESTABLISHING THE ZONING DESIGNATION ESTABLISHING THE LAND USE DESIGNATION DIRECTING THE FILING OF THE ORDINANCE WITH THE CLERK OF THE CIRCUMSTANCE CULT COURT AND CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER DIRECTING REVISION OF THE CHARTER BOUND ARTICLE TO BE FILED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH PROVIDING FOR SEVER GUILTY CLAUSE REQUIRING ALL -- AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION >> MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND THE SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE [d. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 20-016 Establishing the Bent Creek Community Development District. FIRST READING] 20 -- ZERO 1/6 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF FORT PIERCE FLORIDA SAEBING THE BENT CREEK CLIENT I THINK DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 190 FLORIDA STATUES PROVIDING FOR THE NAME POWER AND DUTY DESCRIPTION AND BOUNDARIES PROVIDING FOR SERVE VERB GUILTY CLAUSE IN CONFLICT AND PROVIDING FOR AN >> AFFECT GIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READ. THE MR. SWEENEY I THINK THIS IS YOUR ITEM. >> YES MADAM MAYOR THANK YOU. IN A SENSE IT IS SO YOU AS A COMMISSIONER ARE FAMILIAR WITH BENT CREEK DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE IN FORT PIERCE. BI SEKTING BENT CREEK IS PETERSON ROAD AND THIS IS A -- DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN UNDER DEVELOPMENT FOR 15 YEARS. IT WAS ORIGINALLY A COUNTY PROJECT AND BECAME ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT THERE'S A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT THAT'S BEEN EXECUTED BY PARTIES AND INTERESTS AND IT REQUIRES BEFORE THE NEXT PHASE OF HOMES IS BUILT THAT PETERSON ROAD WOULD BE BUILT OUT. I'M MAKING THIS AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS POSSIBLE. THE DEVELOPER TEAM IS HERE AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TUCK IT TO BUT AS PART OF BUILDING THAT ROAD BEFORE THEY CAN BUILD ANYMORE HOUSES WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS OVER THE LAST YEAR AND IT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE. THERE'S ESTIMATES RANGING OVER SEVERAL MILLION DOLLAR PERIOD RANGE I SHOULD SAY SO IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT ONE OF THE PROPOSALS WAS TO PUT FORTH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OR C.D. D. IT'S A STATUTORY CREATURE. THE BACKUP MATERIALS THAT ALL OF YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AND I ECHL MAILED TO YOU HAD A POWERPOINT TALKING ABOUT THAT. THIS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE IT'S LEGISLATIVE BUT THE ADVOCATE IS GOING TO BE THE INDIVIDUALS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE LOAN MARCH ALONG WITH THEIR COUNSEL AND PLANNER. I THINK AN APPROPRIATE WHICH TO DO THIS IS TO HAVE THEM COME UP SWEAR IN TREAT IT MORE LIKE A QUASI JUDICIAL APPROACH BECAUSE COUNSEL FOR THEM IS VERY WELL FAMILIAR WITH WHAT A C.D. D IS AND CAN TALK -- MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ALONG WITH WHAT OBLIGATIONS THAT WOULD ENTAIL OR NOT ENTAIL. I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO INVITE THEM UP TO THE TABLE MAYOR IF THAT'S YOUR INCLINATION. >> SO WILL THE APPLICANTS PLEASE COME FORWARD AND YOU WANT THEM SWORN IN. >> I THINK IN THIS CASE. I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, MAYOR, BUT BECAUSE SOME SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASKING THEM RELATE TO OBJECT GAS SHINS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S UNDER OATH AND I DON'T THINK -- OBLIGATIONS. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM. >> SO EVERYBODY THAT'S GOING TO TESTIFY BEYOND THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE SWORN IN? >> NO. [01:55:01] OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEARING COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. >> RIGHT. >> I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE ODD. >> THAT'S OH ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO ALONG WITH IT. SO MADAM CLERK. WOULD YOU SWEAR IN. >> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND DO YOU SWEAR TO AFFIRM AND TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. >> MADAM MAYOR I THINK MS. GINGER IS PROBABLY THE MOST APPROPRIATE PERSON TO FIRST COME UP. SHE PROVIDED THE POWER POINT AS WELL AS SOME OF THE BACK UP MATERIALS RELATED TO WHAT A C.D. D IS. >> OK. -- AND SO I WILL SUGGEST THAT YOU INTERROGATE HER. >> INTERROGATE. OH MY GOODNESS. WOULD YOU SOON IN FOR ME PLEASE? THAT WILL MAKE THE RECORD COMPLETE AND MAKE MR. SWEENEY HAPPY PERHAPS. AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND PROCEED. >> YES, MA'AM. GINGER AND I'M WITH OUR FIRM 515 EAST LOTS OLD HAS BOULEVARD FT. LAUDERDALE -- TAIL FLORIDA 3-3 ZERO ONE -- I'M WEARING THIS BECAUSE I'M IN THE HEAVY COVID ZONE WHICH I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE HERE BUT TO BE SAFE FOR ALL OF YOU. >> YOU'RE FINE. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. I'M ALSO HERE BASICALLY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH YOUR CITY ATTORNEY. I'VE SPOKEN WITH YOUR CITY CLERK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ASSISTING WITH THE ADVERTISEMENT. AND ALONG WITH THAT I PROVIDED SOME BACK UP INFORMATION THAT IS BASICALLY JUST GENERAL AS TO WHAT A C.D. DPCHLT D IS. YOU ONLY HAVE ONE IN THIS CITY -- C.D. D. SO YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME THAT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED. IT WAS MANY YEARS AGO? >> NO, I WASN'T. THIS WILL BE MY FIRST. >> THERE YOU GO. >> SO IN THE MATERIALS THAT YOU I DON'T ALSO HAVE IS THE PETITION. THE PETITION IS REQUIRED STATUTORILY TO CREATE A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WHICH WE CALL C.D. D'S OR DISTRICTS. THEY ARE SPECIAL DISTRICTS -- THEY'RE INDEPENDENT UNIT OF GOVERNMENT BUT THEY ONLY HAVE CERTAIN POWERS. IN THIS INSTANCE REALLY THE POWER THAT WE'RE REQUESTING AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE C.D. D IS FOR FINANCING AS WAS STATED BY YOUR CITY ATTORNEY AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO THAT'S THE APPLICANT. WITH THAT THAT THAT IS THE FINANCING MECHANISM FOR THE EXTEND SHIP OF PETERSON ROAD AND A BRIDGE. SO INSTEAD OF GOING ON AND ON SORRY -- BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE THE PETITION AND BACK UP MATERIAL I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I POSSIBLY CAN. >> SO FOR THE RECORD I WON'T CLARIFY THAT THE CURRENT RESIDENTS OF BENT CREEK DO NOT PARTICIPATE FINANCIALLY IN THIS. >> NO, MA'AM BECAUSE A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THERE'S A FEW PARTS OF IT. IF YOU'LL SEE FROM THE PETITION. THE ONLY AFFIDAVIT THAT YOU HAVE IN THE PETITION THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS LOAN MARCH -- THIS IS THE PART THAT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED AND SOLD. ADDITIONALLY ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO BUY A PURCHASER OF ONE OF THE LOTS ONE OF THE HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT EVENTUALLY BY LOAN MARCH HAS TO BE PROVIDED NOTICE SPECIFIC NOTICE -- IN THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT THAT THERE ERR AND BUYING IN A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. SO THEY WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION BEFORE THEY EVEN PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. >> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES, SIR COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> THIS WORD OR THIS CDC I HEAR YOU SAYING THAT FOR THE MOST PART IS IT CDC OR C.D. D. >> YOU CAN CALL IT A DISTRICT IT'S EASIER THAT WAY. >> DISTRICT. COMMUNITY WHAT IS IT CALLED. >> COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. >> OK. . >> THANK YOU. >> BASED ON YOU-ALL RIGHT DOWN THERE. >> YEAH WE'RE GOOD. I'M JUST THROWING THINGS AROUND. >> BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IT JUST PROVIDES YOU WITH A FINANCING MECHANISM THAT WILL BE MOST FAVORABLE FOR YOU. CAN YOU AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS INTO YOUR MOUTH BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE TO THIS THAN WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED AND I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY COVER IT BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TELL ME WHAT THIS REALLY IS IN TERMS OF THE ADVANTAGES OR DISADVANTAGES OR WHAT ACTUALLY THIS C.D. D IS [02:00:03] OTHER THAN PROVIDING YOU WITH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BETTER FINANCING. THIS DESIGNATION HAS TO HAVE SOME IMPACT ON THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF ARE YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL US A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE I'M SURE SOMEBODY OUT THERE WANTS TO TELL US MORE. >> SURE. YOU HAVE THE PETITION IF FRONT OF YOU AND SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE PETITION IT PROVIDES FOR WHY THIS C.D. D IS ACTUALLY BEING DEVELOPED BUT ALONG WITH THAT A C.D. D CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNCTIONS AND SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL FUNCTIONS IS NOT JUST THE FINANCING MECHANISM OF PUBLIC IN INTEREST FROM STRUCTURE SUCH AS A -- INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS A ROADWAY OR BRIDGE ONCE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GOING TO BE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THERE'S ACTUALLY 5 PUBLIC OFFICIAL POSITIONS. SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE AS A CITY COMMISSION. WHEN THEY BECOME RESIDENTS IF THEY WANT OTHER THINGS FOR THE C.D. D TO BE ACCOMPLISHED THAT ARE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT THOSE 5 BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEMBERS IN PUBLIC HEARINGS SCAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT DOWN THE ROAD. RIGHT NOW THE PLAN IS BY THE DEVELOPER FOR TO COMING IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THE STAESH MEANT OF THIS C.D. D THIS DISTRICT IS FOR THAT FINANCING. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT LATER ON OTHER THINGS CAN BE DONE AS PART OF A GOVERNMENT NOEFRPT TALL ENTITY BUT IT IS ONLY GOING TO BE FOR THE AREA THAT ARE THE BAND CARRIES THAT ARE PROVIDED TO YOU THAT ACREAGE. >> OK. AND I'M VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW I ASSESS THIS. YOU KNOW THIS IS THE IN DISTRICT 1 AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE UP AND PROMISING AREAS THAT HAVE DONE GREAT THINGS IN TERMS OF BEING HAVING HOMES AND DISTRICT ONE ALONG WITH WHAT GOING ON IN HARTMAN ROAD AND I'M VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT THIS ISSUE. I LOVE WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE BUT I DON'T WANT TO APPLAUSE OR BE IN A POSITION WHERE I PUT SOMETIME OF CAVEAT WHERE IT'S GOING HINDER WHAT WE FORESEE AS ONLY PROGRESSING IN TERMS OF IT'S FINANCIAL ABILITY SO THAT'S MY POSITION. >> YES, SIR. >> YEAH THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> COMMISSIONER. >> OK. SO BASICALLY WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TAX EXEMPTED FINANCING AND ABLE TO LEVEE YOUR TAX TO DO IMPROVEMENTS. I'M LOOKING THROUGH THIS AND I'M WONDERING FROM PETERSON ROAD AND BRIDGE ILL PROVE MINUTES AND THINGS WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN RIGHT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. SO NOW WE'RE COMING IT HASN'T BEEN BUILT SO NOW WE'RE COMING IN THE 11TH HOUR AND NOW WE'RE TALKING SAYING HEY WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THIS SO WE CAN FIND FINANCE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I MEAN I'M KIND OF PICKING UP WHERE COMMISSIONER SESSION SHES LEFT OFF IN SAYING YOU KNOW THERE'S JUST SOMETHING ABOUT THAT JUST DOESN'T SOUND RIDE RIGHT. WHAT BENEFIT IS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE GOING TO GET THAT BY APPROVING THIS C.D. D? >> WELL, THE BENEFIT FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IT'S NO LONGER GOING TO BE AN ISSUE TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BECAUSE THE C.D. D AS THE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY THAT IS GOING TO FUND AND PROCEED FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE IMPROVEMENT IS CONSTRUCTED WILL BE A BENEFIT FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVING IN THAT AREA WHICH WILL BE KNOWN AS BENT CREEK C.D. D. AND THE BENCH FIT THAT THEY RECEIVE THAT THE ROADWAY IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND IMPROVED AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO USE THAT ALONG WITH TANGENTIALLY THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. AND I DO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR JUST FOR THE RECORD EVEN THOUGH WE WERE ALL SWORN IN SINCE I'M AN ATTORNEY I'M NOT HERE AS A LOBBYIST. I AM FOR LOAN MARCH THAT'S WHY I DID NOT REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST -- I DID PREPARE THE PETITION. PART OF MY LEGAL PRACTICE AS A GOVERNMENTAL ATTORNEY IS THE ESTABLISHMENT AND ALSO ACTING AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THESE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. AND YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE THEY AGAIN ON THE OTHER ONE THAT YOU HAVE LATER ON IN THE YEAR BUT THAT'S PART OF MY PRACTICE IS A MAJORITY PART OF MY PRACTICE AS A GOVERNMENTAL ATTORNEY IS REPRESENTING THESE C.D. D'S NOT JUST WHEN THEY'RE IN THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE BUT ADDITIONALLY WHEN THEY'RE PLANNED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THEY RUN THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT. > SO AT THE END OF THE DAY I MEAN I'M JUST THIS IS NEW FOR US I MEAN. >> SURE I UNDERSTAND. >> YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE TO STAND UP THAT WAS THE SMALL STRAW RIGHT THERE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN. THE MASK MAY NOT HELP YOU BUT YOU KNOW SO I'M THINKING ABOUT IT THE DEVELOPMENT STILL HAS TO [02:05:03] PUT THAT ROAD IN AND BRIDGE IMPROVEMENTS OR WHATEVER ELSE. THAT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT. SO I'M TRYING TO THINK OTHER THAN RATHER THAN THE DEVELOPER PAYING FOR IT HE'S GOING TO HAVE TAXING UNIT TO BE ABLE TO FIND THE FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND I'M SITTING HERE SAYING WELL REALLY I WOULD HAVE RATHER THE ROAD ALREADY BE THERE AND EVERYTHING THAT WAY AND THEN YOU CAN TALK TO US ABOUT THE ANCILLARY ISSUES THAT CAN GO AND HELP THE COMMUNITY. SO I'M A LITTLE BIT I SHARE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT COMMISSIONER SESSIONS DID ON THE FIRST THING SAYING THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THIS THAT JUST DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT. >> OK. WELL FIRST OF ALL I'M SURE YOUR CITY ATTORNEY WILL TILL YOU IF IT IS NOT LEGAL. IT IS COMPLETELY LEGAL. THEY ARE TAX EXEMPTED MUNICIPAL BONDS THAT WOULD BE SOLD. THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO BE SPECIFICALLY ON THOSE LOTS. RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE DONE AS A BOND SAIL ON ACREAGE AND AFTER THE PLATT GOES THROUGH -- BOND SALE. RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE OWNER AND IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL ASSESS MNT PROCESS JUST LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BONDS SOLD. THEN YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WOULD DO -- ADDITIONALLY THE BONDS HAVE TO BE VALIDATED. SO WE HAVE TO GO TO COURT. EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO FOR A MUNICIPAL COMMUNITY DISTRICT HAS TO DO. SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO INTO COURT AND ST. LOUIS SEE I'M SORRY WRONG APPLAUSE IN COUNTY COURT AND ALSO VALIDATE THESE BONDS. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHOW TO THE COURT AND ANYONE THAT WANTS TO APPEAR AND ALSO BE HEARD AS TO AND FROM PROVIDE TESTIMONY AS TO WHY THESE BONDS SHOULD BE VALIDATED THAT THESE ARE VALID BONDS THAT THERE'S A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT THAT IS BEING PROVIDED AND THEN THAT THE NEED IS THERE AND THAT IT IS EQUITABLY DONE AS AN ASSESSMENT. SO THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT STEPS AND LAYERS THAT JUST AS YOU HAVE TO DO AS A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WILL ALSO HAVE TO DO. IN REGARDS TO YOU KNOW WHY IS IT BEING DONE THIS WAY THAT IS THE DEVELOPER AND THAT IS LOAN MARCH -- A LOT OF TIMES WHAT YOU'LL SEE AND I CAN'T SPECIFICALLY SPEAK AS TO EACH ONE OF THE LOTS OR HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE SOLD BUT A LOT OF TIMES IT WILL BE LESS AMOUNT OF MONEY BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FUNDING THROUGH THE TAX EXEMPT BONDS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOWER AMOUNT THAT IS GOING TO BE A COST FOR DEVELOPER. DEVELOPER COULD THEN PASS THAT COST ONTO THE END USER WHERE YOU MAY HAVE A HOUSE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'RE GOING TO THE SELL FOR THESE HOMES. I DON'T GET INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE HOMES. YOU MAY HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S $400,000. WELL, IF THE DEVELOPER HAS TO NOW SPREAD ACROSS THAT $4.5 MILLION THAT THEY HAVE TO SPEND FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING TO RAISE THAT INCREASE FOR EACH ONE OF TOES HOMES BY WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT IS. IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO APPLAUSE THAT ON EACH ONE OF THOSE HOMES AND THEY CAN DO IT THROUGH TAX EXEMPT MUNICIPAL BONDS WHICH WILL THEN BE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE HOMES IT SHOULD BE A LOWER VALUE. SO IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE THE END USER A PURCHASER CAN BUY THAT HOME THAT MAY BE ABLE TO GET A BETTER DEAL. CAN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY AS TO THIS BUT THAT IS ALSO ONE OF THE PO ESSENTIAL BENEFITS OF HAVING A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS TRYING TO KEEP THOSE COSTS DOWN FOR THOSE HOMES AS TO SELLING THEM AND MAKING THEM MORE ATTRACTIVE. BECAUSE THE COSTS FOR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BORNE BY THE USER BY THE END USER THE PURCHASER OVER 30 YEARS. THAT'S A MAXIMUM THAT WE CAN HAVE FOR TAX EXEMPT MUNICIPAL BOND. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. I MIGHT HAVE WENT TOO FAR. >> WHAT WENT IN MY HEAD IS IT'S PROBABLY EITHER THE ONLY WAY THE ROAD IS GOING TO GET BUILT OR THE SIGN NEAR THAT IT GETS BUILT. >> THAT WOULD ALSO BE A GOOD THING TOO THAT IT'S POTENTIALLY FOR THAT AS WELL AS TO THE TIME PERIODS THAT ARE PROVIDED AS WELL IN YOUR PETITION AND AGAIN WITH ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DEFER. >> WE HAVE COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER WHO I THINK WANTED -- COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> YEAH. I WAS HERE IN MY SAME CAPACITY WHEN THE FIRST UNIT WAS BUILT AND I FOR THE LIFE OF ME I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE DEVELOPER CAN GET AWAY WITH NOT DOING WHAT HE PROMISED. NOW I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING NEGATIVE TO HIM I'M JUST WANT TO REPEAT WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN PHASE 1. THE AMENITIES HAS NOT BEEN COULD [02:10:04] COMPLETED. WHEN YOU HAVE A FLIED HERE THEY DON'T HAVE ROADS THERE. THEY HAVE CANALS. AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS ARE REAL PLUS STRAIGHTING TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE -- FRUSTRATING. THE CARS FLOATING DOWN THE ROAD. YOU KNOW I WANT ASSURANCE THAT WE YOU BEING AN ATTORNEY WHAT ASSURE THANES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PROMISE PHASE 2 -- THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS WON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME THING? AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE EXTRA ROAD TO GET AWAY OR GET OUT OF THERE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ROAD CONNECTIVITY TO OTHER ROADS YOU GOT A PROBLEM. SO ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE ROAD DONE BEFORE A SALE. >> YES, MA'AM. YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT. >> I'M GOING TO DEFER TO 11 MARCH FOR PHASE 1. IN REGARDS TO THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND WHAT HAS TO WE DONE THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER HAS TO BE FOLLOWED. SO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT >> READ IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND I'M AGAIN GOING IF I SAY IT WRONG PLEASE FORGIVE ME. I'M SURE YOUR WELL-QUALIFIED CITY ATTORNEY WILL SAY OVER WISE THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THE BUILDING OF THE HOMES IS THAT PETERSON ROAD HAS TO BE COMPLETED. SO THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE BEFORE THEY CAN PROCEED FORWARD IS MY UNDERSTANDING. >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S A REQUIREMENT BEFORE THEY CAN GO FORWARD. >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. >> BEFORE YOU GO I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE C.D. D LANGUAGE AND IT JUST REFERS TO MY QUESTION WITH REGARD TOGETHER FIRST TO LONG-TERM THOUGHT PROCESS. SO WE HAVE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN A BOARD IT WILL BE 5 MEMBERS OF LANDOWNERS. >> YES. >> THAT'S AN ELECTORATE TYPE STYLE SYSTEM WHERE OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF YEARS THE 4 YEAR TERMS I THINK I READ. >> YES. HOW IT WORKS IS THIS AND IT'S PROVIDED DIRECTLY FROM THE STATUTE. IT IS 6 YEARS AND 250 VOTERS. OUR LANDOWNER ELECTIONS SO WHOEVER IS A LANDOWNER AND LET'S SAY THAT YOU HAVE LOTS THAT ARE BEING BUILT AN BEING SOLD AND PEOPLE START TO MOVE IN. THEY WOULD BE A LANDOWNERS NEVER. THEY WOULD GET A VOTE. THE DEVELOPER AND ONCE YOU REACH 6 YEARS AND 250 VOTERS REGISTERED VOTERS WITHIN THE DISTRICT THEN YOU START MOVING TO WHAT YOU HAVE AS TO A GENERAL ELECTION LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN MOEF. AND IN THAT GENERAL ELECTION ANYONE THAT RESIDES WITHIN THE DISTRICT THAT IS A U.S. CITIZEN 18 YEARS OF AGE AND OLDER AND IS A REGISTERED VOTER IN THE COUNTY CAN GO AHEAD AND RUN FOR THAT OFFICE. JUST LIKE YOU RUN FOR YOUR OFFICE HERE. AS COMMISSIONERS. AND THEN EVENTUALLY WHAT HAPPENS THEY HAVE THE MAJORITY AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE ALL 5 SEATS. THEY CONTROL THEIR GOVERNMENT WITHIN THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. SO LET'S SAY THE C.D. D DECIDED TO DISSOLVE ITSELF AND SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT WE COME BACK INTO PLAY BECAUSE THE C.D. D WANTS TO TRANSFER OWNERSHIP. >> CORRECT. >> AND GIVE IT BACK NOT REALLY GIVING BACK BUT YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. >> CORRECT. AND HOW THAT WORKS IS THIS. THE C.D. D NO LONGER CAN HAVE ANY DEBT. SO BEFORE AND THIS IS ALSO PROVIDED BY STATUTE. SO BEFORE C.D. D CAN BE DISSOLVED AND AGAIN IT WOULD BE BY PETITION IN FRONT OF YOU IN FRONT OF THE CITY COMMISSION THEY WOULD HAVE TO RESOLVE THEMSELVES OF DEBT SO NO LONGER WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT DEBT SPECIFICALLY ON THE PROPERTY. SO THE BOND THAT THE 30 YEAR BOND THAT IS PLACED ON EACH ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID OFF. ONCE THAT IS DONE AND THERE'S NO LONGER ANY OBLIGATIONS OTHER THAN THE OWNERSHIP OF ANY PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE DISTRICT HAS WHICH WOULD HAVE TO BE TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY WHETHER IT'S THE CITY OR THE COUNTY THEN THIS BOARD THIS COMMISSION WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO DISSOLVE THE DISTRICT IF IT CHOSE TO DO SO. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. >> MADAM PRAYER THEY HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION. >> WELL WE'RE ABOUT TO GET TO THAT COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER BUT COMMISSIONER SESSIONS WHICH PERSON DO YOU WANT TO ASK A QUESTION OF. >> OUR CITY ATTORNEY. >> OH. >> I'VE HEARD SOME LANGUAGE USED HERE WITH REGARDS TO CREATING GOVERNING BOARDS AND DISTRICTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. ARE WE PLACING OURSELVES IN A POSTURE THAT WE WOULD BE ALLOWING A GOVERNING BOARD TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT WE WOULD BE AT THIS POINT WAVING OR [02:15:10] ABANDONING ALLOWING A GOVERNMENT >> ARRIVE IN A GOVERNMENT AND THEN BENT CREEK IS A CITY BY ITSELF? I'M HEARING SOME THINGS HERE THAT JUST DON'T SOUND TOO GOOD. I'M SORT OF CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND I HOPE WE'RE NOT PLACING OURSELVES IN THAT POSTURE. AND I DON'T KNOW MAYBE YOU NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON THIS BUT I JUST HEAR SOME THINGS HERE THAT I'M NOT REALLY IT'S JUST NOT FITTING IN TOO GOOD WITH ME. IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN I DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS. SO IF THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD BE ABREAST OF IT AND BE ABLE TO VERSE US ON THAT ISSUE BECAUSE I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT AVENUE IF THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE. AND MAYBE THE OWNER CAN GIVE US A LITTLE MORE INPUT. BUT AT ANY RATE I'M GLAD WE GOT THE OWNER HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE COMMISSIONER ALL LEKS XANDER HAS POINTED OUT SOMETHING WE WOULD BE REMISS. SIR WE GOT A LOOK OUT THERE. WHAT'S GOING ON? IS THIS ROAD GOING TO HELP THAT SITUATION OR WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO SIDETRACKED BUT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT CONCERNS MR. ALEXANDER AND ME. WE GOT A MESS OUT THERE WHEN IT RAINS. THE CITY GOT TO SPEND ALL THAT TIME GETTING PEOPLE NEEDED. WE GOT TO TAKE BOATS IN THERE TO GET THE PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES. YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT. PLEASE ADDRESS THAT. BUT AT ANY RATE MR. CITY ATTORNEY CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT FOR ME PLEASE? >> MR. SWEENEY. >> THANK YOU. I'LL BE AS SUCCINCT AS I CAN. I HAVE THE -- MOST UTMOST RESPECT SHE'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH C.D. D'S IF THE STATE OF FLORIDA BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE STATUTE A C.D. D IS A SPECIAL DISTRICT SO IT IS A GOVERNING LOCAL GOVERNING BODY BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE ZONING LAND REGULATION ABILITY AND THAT'S VERY CLEAR FROM THE STATUTE. SO AS FAR AS GIVING UP THAT KIND OF CONTROL IN IT'S SIMPLEST FORM IT'S DESIGNED TO BE A FINANCING MECHANISM. BASICALLY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ONLY OTHER ONE IN THE CITY IS IN PORT FIN NO OVER CLOSE TO WALMART -- OFF OKEECHOBEE THERE. AND THAT ONE WHICH MS. WALLED IS FAMILIAR WITH I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR HE IS STRAY BUT THAT WAS FOR STORM WATER TYPE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT THEY'RE FOR. I ALSO WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT 2 OTHER THINGS AND PLEASE ASK ANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS HERE BUT ONE THERE'S NO DESPITE BETWEEN ANYBODY INVOLVED HERE THAT NO FURTHER CONSTRUCTION CAN HAPPEN IN ANY OF THE PHASES IN BENT CREEK UNTIL PETERSON ROAD IS BUILT. I MEAN THAT IS THE CLEAREST STATEMENT I'VE SEEN IN A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT. >> MR. SWEENEY IS A PIECE OF ROAD WOULD THAT BE WOULD THAT BE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IF WE TALKING ABOUT DOING A SPECIAL DISTRICT? IF RODE IT SELF. >> IT WILL BE A PUBLIC ROAD YES. IT WILL BE A RODE IT SELF -- >> IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. >> THIS IS IN FRONT OF US BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IN OUR MUNICIPALITY. IT WILL RUN UP INTO THE CITY LIMITS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE COMING FROM JENKINS ROAD ON THE WEST I BELIEVE IS STILL COUNTY IN PARTS THERE. I BELIEVE. >> YES I THINK SO. >> THERE'S NO DESPITE THAT LANGUAGE THERE'S NO CONTINUATION OF BUILDING UNTIL PETERSON ROAD WAS BUILT. THIS WAS TO CREATE A FUNDING MECHANISM BUT THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPER APPS AGREEMENT. SO THAT IS AN ANSWER AIR ARE ISSUE BUT -- ANCILLARY ISSUE BUT RIGHT TO YOUR POINT COMMISSIONER SESSIONS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR APPROVAL. SO I HOPE THAT ANSWER THAT PART OF THE QUESTION. AS FAR AS THE GOVERNANCE AGAIN I'LL DEFER BACK TO MS. WALLED BUT I THINK THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT OF THE LAW. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ZONING OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. >> YES COMMISSIONER SESSIONS THE C.D. D IS NOT GOING YOU CERTAIN OR TAKE ANY POWER WHATSOEVER FROM THE CITY COMMISSION. A C.D. D DOES NOT HAVE POLICE POWER. IT DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER OF ZONING. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER TO ISSUE PERMITS. DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE POWERS THAT A MOON NEWS PATTY HAS THAT THIS CITY HAS. SPECIFICALLY THE ONLY POWERS THAT THE C.D. D CAN HAVE ARE UNDER CHAPTER 190. IT'S OUR CHARTER. ANY CHARTER. I SAY OUR I DO REPRESENT MANY C.D. D'S WITHIN THE STATE. [02:20:06] THIS IS OUR CHARTER. IT'S CHAPTER 1 90 FLORIDA STATUTES. THESE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT THE C.D. D HAS THE POWER TO DO -- >> NOW DOES YOUR CHARTER COME IN CONFLICT WITH MY CHARTER THAT'S THE PROBLEM. >> NO, SIR. NO, SIR. BECAUSE THIS IS ONLY PROVIDED BY FLORIDA STATUTES. THE C.D. D AGAIN ANY C.D. D IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA CANNOT CREATE ITS OWN LAW -- IT HAS TO FOLLOW THIS. THIS IS IT. >> IT'S STATE LAW. IT HAS TO FOLLOW STATE LAW. >> IT HAS TO FOLLOW STATE LAW. ANY C.D. D. THAT'S WHAT IT MUST FOLLOW. IT CANNOT BE IN CONFLICT WITH ANYTHING THAT THE CITY DOES BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO. THE CITY HAS THE AUTHORITY OVER THE C.D. D THE SPECIAL DISTRICT. IT'S NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. >> OKAY. >> MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. >> ONE MORE WHAT YOU'RE OR FAMILIAR WITH AS THE EXPERT. >> I'M NOT AN EXPERT. >> HAVE YOU WORKED WITH ANY OTHER CORPORATIONS IN ST. LOUIS SEE COUNTY -- BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT RIVER APPLAUSE WHICH IS ON ST. JAMES IS A C.D. D. I BELIEVE TRADITION HAS MULTIPLE C.D. D'S IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. >> YES. I'M ACTUALLY SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR THE CITY OF PORT ST. LOUIS SEE AS TO C.D. D'S -- AND SOUTHERN GROVE WHICH IS MULTIPLE C.D. D'S WHICH IS TRADITION. I'VE BEEN ASSISTING THEM WITH THAT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. >> OK. AND THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROCESS AND YOU KNOW OUR SISTER CITY IS DOING IT AND SO I JUST WANTED TO -- >> CITY OF PORT ST. LOUIS SEE I AM AWARE OF AT LEAST A DOZEN C.D. D'S THAT THEY HAVE BEEN THEIR CITY CONFINES WITHIN THEIR BOUNDARIES. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WHO IS NEXT. >> MADAM MAYOR >> YES COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. >> I JUST WANT TO ADD ANOTHER QUESTION TO THEM. >> OKAY. >> BEING THOUGH THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN JURISDICTION WHAT ABOUT THE FORT PIERCE UTILITIES? ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO BECAUSE THE POWER AND LIGHT IS RIGHT THERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CONTROL WHICH POWER SOURCE THAT THEY EYES. >> PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> THE C.D. D DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CONTROL ITS OWN POWER SO WHATEVER IS BEING PROVIDED BY THOSE SERVICES WHETHER IT'S. IF P AND L AND IF YOU'RE CONCERNED -- WITH WATER AND SEWER THE CITY D D IS NOT PROVIDING THAT AS WELL. THAT IS BEING PROVIDED BY THE END I TITTIES IN THE AREA. >> THEY ARE IN THE CITY LIMITS OF FORT PIERCE SO FLORIDA POWER & LIGHT IS JUST RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD YOU UNDERSTAND? YOU GO FROM ONE SIDE TO ONE ROAD TO THE OTHER SIDE AND YOU GOT FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT AND F PUA -- SO WHO GOING TO GET THE CHOICE OF CHOOSING THE POWER. >> I'M GOING TO I ASSUME IT'S. IF B.P. U.A. -- WE HAVE. IF PUA PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE -- >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS GREG. I'M WITH 11 MARCH HOMES -- SIR TO AADDRESS YOUR COMMENT -- I BELIEVE IT'S. IF PUA BUT IT HAS NO IMPACT OR BEARING ON THAT. -- JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES THIS C.D. D IS ONLY TO BE ESTABLISHED OVER UNDEVELOPED FUTURE TRACTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO TURN INTO THE NEXT PHASES OF THE COMMUNITY. SO IT'S NO IMPACTS NO CHANGES TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTS. THE C.D. D PROCESS I CAN SUPPLEMENWHAT MRS. WALLED SAID L ARE 17 CDD APPS. I'VE WORKED ON 25 CDD APPS IN THE COUNTY AND I LIVE IN ONE. THEY ESSENTIALLY TRULY EXIST FOR IN. INSTANCES THEY ARE A FINANCING VEHICLE -- FOR LARGE TRACT DEVELOPMENTS SUCH AS THIS THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT CONSTRUCTION ELEMENTS BRIDGES SIGNIFICANT ROADWAYS BUT THEY HAVE AN ADDED BENEFIT NOT A DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THEY ALSO CAN WORK AS A SUPPLEMENT TO AN ASSOCIATION HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATION AND [02:25:06] INSTANCES WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A GAP IN MAINTENANCE THAT'S A SUPPLEMENTAL ORGANIZATION IN THE PAST I'VE SEEN VERY POSITIVE THINGS OCCUR IN A COMMUNITY WITH THE CDD AND BOTH IN HOA AND I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> SO I THINK WE HAD AN OUTSTANDING QUESTION ABOUT THE PETERSON ROAD AND THE FLOODING AND SO WHO IS THE BEST PERSON TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION? >> THE AMENITIES IN THE FIRST PHASE. >> THE AMENITIES. >> THE CLUBHOUSE. >> THE AMENITIES ARE FULLY CONSTRUCTED. THERE'S AN EXISTING CLUBHOUSE EXHIBITING CLUB SPORTS FACILITIES. THE AMENITIES AND THE COMMUNITY ARE IF YOULY CONSTRUCTED AND THEY'RE UP AND OPERATING -- FULLY CONSTRUCTED. THEY'RE LIMITED IN ACCORDANCE WITH COVID AND EVERYTHING GOING ON BUT THEY HAVE BEEN UP AND ACTIVE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF TO 2 YEARS. I'VE ONLY BEEN WITH LOAN MARCH FOR A YEAR, YEARENAR FOR A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF. >> AND THE ROADWAYS FLOODING? >> SO RIGHT NOW THE STORY AND ALSO IN MY OWN INVOLVEMENT WITH LENAR AND DEVELOPMENT AN LENAR AND SERVING ON THE HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATION IN THE COMMUNITY MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE FLOODING THAT WAS PART OF A MUCH LARGER AREA WIDE INCIDENT AND I BELIEVE IT HAD TO DO WITH ALSO PREPREPARATION OF STORM DRAINAGE FROM I FORGET THE NAME OF A SMALLER LOCAL DRAINAGE DISTRICT IN TERMS OF I THINK IT WAS A LARGE MASSIVE -- I THINK THIS WAS THE HURRICANE WHERE I THINK WE HAD LIKE 20 INCHES OF RAIN IN FORT PIERCE. >> OR THE TROPICAL STORM FAY. >> IT WAS AFFECTED BY THE SAME THING. I WASN'T WITH THE COMPANY AND I WAS NOT WATCHING THIS INCIDENT AT THE TIME BUT A CDD IS A VERY POSITIVE THING IN THAT THEY ARE MANY CDD APPS WOULD HAVE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY RELATIVE TO DRAINAGE. SO MY OWN CDD THAT I BOTH LIVE IN AND HELP TO CREATE WHEN I WAS WITH ANOTHER BUILDER IN ADVANCE OF THE STORM SEASON THE HURRICANE SYSTEM THE DISTRICT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM SO IN MOST INSTANCES IN MANY INSTANCES SAY IN PORT ST. LOUIS SEE THE DISTRICTS GET DOLLARS BACK FROM THE CITY -- TO HELP TAX DOLLARS STORM OWNER FEES THAT ARE PAID INTO THE CITY PARTIALLY GETS REIMBURSED BACK TO THE DESTRUCTIVE AND THE DISTRICT DOES THE VACUUMING OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS ONSITE DOES MAINTENANCE OF THE STORM DRAINS. SO THEY CAN BE VERY POSITIVE INFLUENCES IN A NEIGHBORHOOD ESPECIALLY RELATIVE TO DRAINAGE. ESPECIALLY RELATIVE TO AGAIN INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES. >> IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING THE ROAD YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE ISSUES AS YOU'RE BUILDING THE ROAD. AND OUR ENGINEER WILL BE PART OF THAT. WOULD BE REVIEWING THOSE PLANS IS THAT RIGHT MR. MIMS? >> YES, MA'AM. >> IF I MAY SAY AND I TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE WITH HAVING HAD THE OPPORTUNITY I THE TO JOIN LENAR AND ALSO WITH THIS COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. I KNOW IT'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR ABOUT 15 PLUS YEARS AND IT'S SOME OF THAT TIMING HAS TO DO WITH THE SIZE AND MAGNITUDE OF THE COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THAT TIMING HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT LIKE EVERY WHERE IN SOUTHEAST FLORIDA CIRCA 2008 YOU KNOW WE WERE ALL HIT BY THE DOWNTURN TOOK 4 OR 5, 6 YEARS TO COME OUT OF IT. THERE'S A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES TO THE IMMEDIATE WEST AND SURROUNDING THIS COMMUNITY THAT ALSO WERE PARTIALLY OR FULLY DEVELOPED OR TOOK AWHILE TO GET OFF THEIR FEET BUT I DO FEEL LENAR DID STAY THE COURSE. WE STAYED ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. WE MAINTAINED THE COMMUNITY. WE DEFICIT FUND TODAY ASSOCIATION AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHUT ANYTHING DOWN. I THINK WE KEPT THE SELLING EFFORT. WE'VE ALWAYS KEPT THE CONSTRUCTION EFFORT. WE'VE TRIED TO HONOR AS A DEVELOPER WHEN YOU COME TO A SEE YOU TRY TO HONOR A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY THE MUNICIPALITY TO SKOOM -- COME IN BUILD HOMES PULL PERMITS PAY FEES KEEP A VOL DWRUM OF WORK AND EFFORT GOING -- VOLUME. I KNOW IN ANY SUBDIVISION THERE'S LIKELY INSTANCES WHERE THINGS OCCUR BUT I DO FEEL LIKE WE'VE STAYED THE COURSE FOR PLUS 9 NEWS 15 YEARS AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE NEXT FEW PHASES TO GET THOSE MOVING TO CONTINUE THE OPERATION. >> MIMS WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHIME IN WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY. >> ABSOLUTELY. MADAM MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE CITY [02:30:02] COMMISSION AS IT RELATES TO BENT CREEK, BENT CREEK IS A SUBDIVISION THAT I BELIEVE IT IS GATED AND THE ROADS IN THAT WEAR I BELIEVE THE INTERIOR ROADS ARE PRIVATE ROADS. THOSE ARE THE ROADS IN THE ENTIRE YEAR RIGHT-OF-WAY IS MAINTAINED BY THE PRIVATE ENTITY ITSELF -- NOW PETERSON ROAD IS A COUNTY DESIGNATED ROAD. THAT IS NOT IT WILL NOT BE A PUBLIC CITY OF FORT PIERCE ROAD. IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE A COUNTY DESIGNATED ROAD. AND IT WILL HAVE TO BE BUILT AS PER COUNTY STANDARDS WITH REGARDS TO DRAINAGE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. HOWEVER OUR CITY ENGINEER WILL DEFINITELY TOOK TAKE A LOOK AT THE DESIGN AND WORKING WITH COUNTY STAFF AND IF THERE IS ANY HISTORICAL FLOW THAT WHICH CAN IDENTIFY THAT CAN POSSIBLY RELIEVE SOME OF THE STAGING OF THE STORM WATER THAT WE EXPERIENCE WITH THESE STORM EVENTS THEN OUR CITY ENGINEER APP COUNTY ENGINEERS WILL WORK TOGETHER TO HOPEFULLY REMEDY SOME OF THE FLOODING EVENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED. >> -- >> ALL RIGHT DO YOU HAVE ANYMORE PRESENTATION BECAUSE I'M GOING TO THE CALL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE REST OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> JUST ONE MORE QUESTION IF WE COULD CAN SOMEONE PUT ON THE SCREEN THE TERRITORY OF THE MAP OF THE AREA JUST SO THE PUB HIM IS AWARE. IS IT ON THE SCREEN -- PUBLIC. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AND WHOEVER IS ANSWERING FROM THE APPLICANT BASIS THE MAP IN THE ZONE ITSELF IS IT RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF PETERSON ROAD CONSTRUCTION? OR NOT? >> JUST THE SECTION WITHIN THE MAP THAT'S SHOWN? >> JUST A SECOND. >> DO YOU HAVE MAP? >> OR PRESENTATION DOES STAFF HAVE THAT? >> I THINK I HAVE A SMALL MAP. >> I HAVE IT BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD PUT IT ON THE SCREEN. >> IT'S. >> JEN IS GOING TO PUT IT ON THE SCREEN FOR US. >> THANK YOU. YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE PLANS AND THE COST ESTIMATES. WHEN YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENTS OF THIS SIZE APPROACHING 700 UNITS A TON OF OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENTS CDD APPS CAN BE A VERY GOOD BENEFIT TO KEEP THE HOUSING PRICES IN LINE WITH WHAT THE MARKET CAN BEAR AND I THINK MS. WALLED ALLUDED TO SOME OF THOSE POINTS. AND ALSO THAT THIS PARTICULAR CDD IS BEING USED VERY JIED DISH SHOESLY IN -- JUDICIOUSLY IN A SPECIFIC CONSTRUCTION PROJECT OF AN OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENT THAT'S RUNNING ANYWHERE FROM 2 1/2 TO $3 MILLION OR SO. AND IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT TOOL. LENAR WILL BE PUTTING THE MONEY AND BUILDING THE ROAD AND THEN GETTING REIMBURSED BY THE CDD AND THOSE LOTS THAT WOULD BE ENCUMBERED BY THOSE DOLLARS WOULD BE ANY FUTURE LOTS. AND I THINK THAT'S UNDERSTOOD NOW THAT NO EXISTING HOMEOWNERS WOULD BE BURDENED WITH THAT. >> I GOT A QUESTION MADAM MAYOR. >> MR. SESSIONS. >> VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE NOW TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF THIS IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT IF YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING THE CDD THAT INDIVIDUALS THAT UNDER THE PRESENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES MAY NOT BE ABLE TO OBTAIN FINANCING HOWEVER WITH THIS DESIGNATION IT'S GOING TO PUT THEM IN A BETTER POSITION FOR FINANCING O? >> WHEN I'M SAYING IS AND WHAT I BELIEVE MS. WALLED WAS ALLUDING TO IS THAT IT'S LESS OF A BURDEN THAT IS GETTING PASSED ONTO THE HOMEOWNER BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNERS PAY FOR ANYTHING AT THE END OF THE DAY. THERE'S RAW LAND DEVELOPMENT COSTS THAT ARE INVOLVED. AND THIS IS AN EASIER MECHANISM TO GET THOSE NECESSARY [02:35:03] IMPROVEMENTS FUNDED CHEAPER. >> YOU SOUND LIKE A LAWYER. OK THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I SAID. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING TO HERE? JUST TALK US TO. WE'RE EASY TO GET ALONG WITH AROUND HERE. JUST TELL US THE TRUTH THAT'S ALL I WANT. I DON'T WANT TO BE LOOKING BACK 20 YEARS FROM NOW EVERYBODY BE LOOKING AT MY PICTURE ON THE WALL WHEN I'M DEAD AND GONE AND SAID SESSIONS APPROVED THIS CDD AND IT'S COMING BACK TO HAUNT US. >> I'LL BE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN IT AS OPENLY AND TRANS APPARENTLY AS I POSSIBLY KNOW HOW TO. -- TRANSPARENTLY. LENAR WILL BE WRITING CHECKS TO BUILD PETERSON ROAD TO BUILD THE ROADWAY. WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS CREATING THIS TAXING AUTHORITY THIS SPECIAL DISTRICT THAT WILL ENCOMPASS CERTAIN SECTIONS OF UNDEVELOPED PHASES OF THE COMMUNITY. SO THOSE UNDEVELOPED PHASES WITH THOSE BUYERS FULL DISCLOSURE SUBSTANTIAL DISCLOSURE OF CONTRACTS AND BROCHURES WILL PURCHASE A HOME AND ON THEIR TAX BILL THEY'LL BE AN EXTRA YOU KNOW 750 DOLLARS DOLLARS A YEAR. A THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR WHATEVER IT'S SET AT RIGHT? AND THEN THAT FUTURE TAX BILL ON EACH LOT GOES BACK TO PAY BACK BOND DEBT THAT WAS USED TO PAY FOR PETERSON ROAD AND THE BRIDGE AND THESE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS. A GREAT EXAMPLE IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD I LIVE IN ON ONE SIDE OF BECKER ROAD IN SOUTHPORT ST. LOUIS SAY THE DEVELOPERS -- DEVELOPER IN THIS INSTANCE THEY CREATED A CDD AND USED THAT CDD TO FINANCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES TO DEVELOP THAT COMMUNITY. AND THEN THE NEXT COUPLE PHASES OF THE VERY RAN UNDER PROJECT HAD A CDD CREATED A SEPARATE CDD THAT WAS SPLIT BETWEEN US LENAR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BECKER ROAD AND THEN A FUTURE PHASES OF THE POELT I THINK PHASE THAT IS BEING USED TO FINANCE -- THE 4 LANING OF BECKER ROAD AND THE EXTENSION EXPANSION OF BECKER ROAD. SO MY WIFE AND I WE PAY $1,000 A YEAR IN ADDITIONAL TAX ISES ON MY PROPERTY TAXES -- TAXES THAT GOES TO PAY FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. SO IT'S A VERY SIMILAR CONCEPT. WHAT IT ALLOWS A BUILDER TO DO AND WHY THEY'RE VERY POPULAR WITH DEVELOPERS AND BUILD UNDERS AND ALSO IN SOME CASES -- MOON NEWS PALT TEES. IS IT LET'S US MAYBE WRITE DOWN SAY $10,000 OF COSTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT ON THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE HOME SO INSTEAD IN THIS COMMUNITY THESE ARE 250, 275,000 DOLLAR HOMES. WITH THE TIME WE DEVELOP THE ROADWAYS INFRASTRUCTURE UTILITIES THE HOME COSTS TO BUILD THE HOMES IMPACT FEES PERMIT FEES ALL THE COSTS COMPONENTS THAT GO INTO ONE OF THESE HOMES ADDING AND ARMOIRE TIEING THE COST OF SAY I'M JUST GOING TO SAY 3 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS I THINK IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN THAT TO BUILD PETERSON ROAD AND THE BRIDGE. ARMOIRE TIEING THOSE COSTS ONTO THESE ADDITIONAL HOMES -- FORCES THAT PURCHASE PRICE TO BE HIGHER WHICH AGAIN IN OUR CASE DEPRESSES THE PACE OF SEAS WHICH KEEPS US FROM -- PACE OF SALES. WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE A VERY LONG TIME. SO THIS IS A VEHICLE THAT LET'S US PUSH THIS COMMUNITY TOWARD THE FINISH LINE YOU KNOW WITH SOME REAL JUICE IN THE TANK IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >> YOU PUT IT IN USED CAR SENSE AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT PERFECTLY. YOU'RE STILL GOING TO PAY FOR IT. IT'S EITHER YOU PAY FOR IT UP FRONT OR OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND YOU GUYS WHEN YOU GO AHEAD AND MARKET THE PROPERTY YOU DON'T HAVE TO INCLUDE THOSE COSTS IN THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASSESSED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THROUGH YOUR CDD RIGHT? >> MORE OR LESS YES. >> SO I'M LOOKING FOR THE BENCH FIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ACCORDING TO THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT ALREADY YOU STILL HAVE TO WE COULD DO NOTHING HERE AND YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD PETERSON ROAD AND THE BRIDGE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF BUT YOU MAY I'D LIKE YOU TO TELL ME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO THE BUILD IT FASTER IF WE PUT THIS IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT AND I WANT TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE YOU'RE THE MAN. YOU WORKING FOR LENAR SO YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME. HEY WE SAT AROUND TABLE THERE AND WHICH FIGURED IT OUT. [02:40:01] WE GET FUNDING ON THIS. WE'RE ABLE TO PUT THE MONEY IN ROADWAY BRIDGES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. WE'LL GET THOSE LOTS UP FOR SALE. ALL THINGS CONSIDERED THE WAY THE MARKET HAS BEEN MOVING FOR ST. LOUIS SAY COUNTY WHEN AM I GOING TO GET MY ROAD? >> IN ALL TRUTH. >> YES. >> I WOULD LOVE TO START THAT ROAD NEXT WEEK. I WOULD LOVE TO START THE NEXT PHASES NEXT WEEK AND WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO START BUILDING HOMES AT RISK. AGAIN AS WE LOOK AT THE CONSTRUCTION BUILD OUT IN THIS COMMUNITY WE ACTUALLY DESPERATELY NEED THIS TO COME TOGETHER SO WE DON'T RUN OUT OF INVENTORY AT THIS POINT WE ARE SELLING THROUGH EXISTING DEVELOPED LOTS AND WE AS A BUILDER DO NEED TO GET OUT INTO THE NEXT PHASES AND WE DO NEED TO GET THIS COMMUNITY MOVING. AGAIN WE DON'T WANT IT TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE HIT AN ARTIFICIAL WALL AND YOU KNOW SO AGAIN WE WOULD LOVE TO BE OUT THERE YOU KNOW AS SOON AS WE CAN WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF PETERSON ROAD THE BRIDGE THE NEXT PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT. WE WOULD LOVE TO BE OUTBUILDING YOU KNOW HOMES ON SPECK. WE'RE -- LENAR IS THE LARGEST BUILDER IN THE UNITED STATES. WE'RE VERY MUCH OF AN INVENTORY BUILDER SO WE WILL COME INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND PERMIT 20 OR 25 HOMES AND BUILD THEM WITHOUT A BUYER TO HAVE STANDING INVENTORY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE AND MOVE IN ONCE ITS COMPLETE. WE WOULD LOVE TO BE OUT THERE AS SOON AS WE CAN. SO THIS HELPS US YOU KNOW THIS IS THE AGAIN WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THE SUPER YOU KNOW WHAT IS IT THE 93 OR TAKEN GAS IN THE TANK AND THIS IS A REQUEST TO HELP US WITH THE NIGHT TRUSS IF I REMEMBER MY YOUTH -- NIGHT TRUSS. >> WAIT A SECOND COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> SO I MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE HERE 3 YEARS FROM NOW WITH NO ROAD NO BRIDGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING? YOUR BEST ESTIMATION THIS IS GOING TO THE ACCELERATE THIS IS GOING TO ACCELERATE THE PLAN THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED AND GET IT MOVED THROUGH? I LOOKED AT THIS ALMOST LIKE WITH THE UTILITY PEOPLE WITH THE M.S. THE U MUCH LIKE THAT -- TYPE OF PRODUCT GOING THROUGH AND IF NOT YOU WOULD RATHER IF YOU HAD THAT EXPENSE AND YOU HAD TO ARMOIRE TIES IT OVER THE PROPERTIES THAT YOU HAD YOU WOULD HAVE TO RAISE THAT COST ON THE ORIGINAL SALE BUT INSTEAD YOU CAN SELL THEM WHATEVER AND TELL THEM HOPEFULLY YOU TELL THEM THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ASSESSMENT AND IT'S NOT THE 5:00 O'CLOCK SURPRISE. >> IT THERE EASE A VERY TRAINING INTENDED -- >> I'M KIDDING. IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET THINGS MOVING EVEN THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE WE WANT TO MOVE FORT PIERCE IN A DIRECTION OF BUILDING IT OUT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE IN A PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING THAT WE SET OUT TO DO LONG TIME AGO. SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PUSH THAT ENVELOPE. AND IF THIS IS A WAY TO GET IT DONE AND IF REASONABLY WE CAN SIT HERE AND SAY HEY THIS IS LIKE A 2 YEAR THIS WILL RAISE IT TO THE TOP AND WITHIN 2 YEARS WE'LL HAVE THAT PROJECT ALL PRETTY WELL MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH THE ROAD IN AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT THEN YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE LOT MORE OF MY INTEREST. >> ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS EXACTLY THAT. AND I MIGHT AS WELL EYES THE FACE TIME WITH THE CITY -- WE WOULD LOVE TO BE OUT THERE AS QUICKLY AND AS FAST AS WE CAN. WE HAVE A TRUE URGENT NEED AS A BUSINESS TO BE OUT THERE DEVELOPING THESE NEXT PHASES TO BE WORK ON PETERSON ROAD TO BE WORKING ON THE BRIDGE AND TO GET THIS COMMUNITY YOU KNOW MOVING. IT TOOK A WHILE TO PULL THIS COMMUNITY OUT OF YOU KNOW THE DOWNTURN. SALES WERE DEPRESSED. SALES HAVE BEEN VERY STRONG IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS. AND AS WE LOOK AHEAD WE DESPERATELY NEED THE LOT INVENTORY TO SUPPORT OUR SELLING OPERATION OUR CONSTRUCTION OPERATION. SO WE ARE NOT ONLY IS THIS YOU KNOW CALL IT THE REQUEST AND THE EFFORTS FOR THE CDD AS THE VEHICLE THAT LET'S US DO THAT I'LL USE THE FACE TIME JUST TO ASK YOU KNOW IF WE CAN YOU KNOW AS FAST AS WE CAN GET PERMISSION AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND APPROVES VAL TO BUILD WE WANTS TO BUILD. >> ALL RIGHT. -- APPROVALS. >> THAT'S GOOD. I LIKE THAT. >> YEAH. COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER THERE THERE MIGHT BE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. >> OK. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYBODY ELSE THAT MR. MIMS. >> WE DO HAVE OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL HERE THAT CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON SOME FLIED PLANE MANAGEMENT ISSUES WITH REGARD TO THIS -- FLOODPLAIN IF YOU GIVE HIM JUST A MINUTE TO REVIEW THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. MR. THOMAS WELCOME. >> GOOD EVENING MADAM MAYOR COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER ALL LENGTH XANDER [02:45:04] HAD THE QUESTION ABOUT THE STREETS FLOODING. THAT WHOLE PROPERTY REST IN A SPECIAL FLOOD ZONE AND IT'S DUE TO THE PROXIMITY TO IT'S EITHER 5 MILE. >> 5 MILE CREEK YES, IT IS. >> SO AS YOU KNOW ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT GO FROM OAK CHOEN BEE TO ORANGE RUN PARALLEL WITH 5 MILE CREEK AND THEY'RE PRONE TO FLOODING -- OKEECHOBEE. SO THEY GOT A LETTER OF MAP REVISION WHICH MEANS THE LAND LAYS BELOW THE FLIED PLANE AND THEY -- PLOWED PLANE AND THEY BUILT UP THE PAD ABOVE THE FLIED PLANE -- SO THEY ARE NO LONGER IN THE FLOOD ZONE SO THE STREETS ARE THE DRAINAGE. I MEAN IT'S DESIGNED THAT WAY. IN MY COMMUNITY IS LIKE THAT. I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY COMMUNITIES LIKE THAT. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOUR STREETS ARE BELOW YOUR FLOODPLAIN IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU HAVE A CON DUE IT UNDERNEATH IT OR NOT IT'S GOING FILL UP -- THAT'S A DESIGN FEATURE JUST TO EXPLAIN WHY FOLKS ARE SAFE IN THERE HOUSES BUT THE STREETS FLOOD. >> I'LL SAY THIS MUCH IS YOU BRING THAT UP IF THEY WERE ABLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN PORT ST. LOUIS SAY WITH ST. LOUIS SAY WEST THAT WAS A SWAMP LAND AND PRETTY MUCH JUST WHAT YOU EXPLAINED -- SO IF THEY CAN DO IT WE CAN DO IT. SO I JUST HOPE THAT'S NOT A CAVEAT AND I'M SURE THE DEVELOPERS ARE OUT IN UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THIS CELEBRATION AS WELL AS YOU-ALL THEY KNOW THE PREDICAMENT OF THE LAND AND IT DIDN'T STOP THINGS FROM HAPPENING IN PORT ST. LOUIS SEE -- GUESS WHAT IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP THINGS FROM HAPPENING AROUND HERE EITHER BUT I WILL SAY THIS MUCH SIR. I RIDE BY THERE ALMOST DAILY AND YOU NEED TO GET SOME RUBBER ON THE ROAD BECAUSE SILL BREAKS SHIN THE BUILDING A HOUSE RIGHT NOW AS WE SIT HERE AND THEY'RE MAKING THEIR MARKET LIKE REAL GOOD. FOR SOME REASON THEY KNOW SOMETHING AND ON SLOUGHS SHY YOU KNOW TOO -- THAT'S WHY OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW TOO. BUT IT'S WORKING IN THE CITY'S FVOR SO I RIDE BY THERE AM THE TIME AND THEY'RE BUILDING THOSE HOUSES OUT THERE. AND SOMETHING MUST BE GOING ON IN THE POSITIVE DIRECTION OR ELSE THEY WOULD NOT BE THERE. IT'S LIKE STARBUCKS AND CHICK-FIL-A AND WAWAS THEY WOULD NOT BE THERE IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL ANTICIPATED SUPPORT OF THAT AREA. SO LET'S ALL GET SOME RUBBER ON THE ROAD AND MAKE SOME MONEY. >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> IS THERE ANYONE NELLES THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD -- ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. I THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE AND I WAS TRYING TO GET TO YOU >> MADAM MAYOR WE'RE GOING TO NIGHT THE STANDARD THREE MINUTES TIMEFRAME AS APPROPRIATE FOR LEGISLATIVE HEARINGS. >> AND I'M CORY BENTON GOOD EVENING MADAM MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. A COUPLE RECAP ITEMS. WE KNOW LENAR HAS AN DEFINED DEVELOPMENT PLANNED AND THEY HAVE THE REQUIRED LIABILITY TO IMPROVE PETERSON ROAD AS PART OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. HAVING LENAR IN FORT PIERCE IS IMPORTANT FOR A VARIETY OF REASON. OBVIOUSLY A NATIONAL HOME BUILDER IS IMPORTANT FOR PROVIDING NEW HOUSING FOR COMMUNITY. THEY DIDN'T BECOME A 22 PLUS BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY FOR NOT BEING RISK AVERSE AND WANTING TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FINANCING. WE KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY. SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW IS WHAT IS THE TERM THAT THIS PROPOSED CDD IS PROPOSED FOR? WHAT IS THE PER HOME OR FOR LOT ASSESSMENT? YOU KNOW THE FIGURES OF 750 OR $1,000 PER YEAR WERE THROWN OUT TONIGHT IS THAT OVER 30 YEARS; IS THAT AN ACCURATE OR STATIC FEE OR WILL THAT CHANGE OVER TIME? AT THIS POINT WE'RE LOOKING AT IMPROVEMENTS WITH PETERSON. WILL THAT EXPAND AND INCLUDE OTHER LIABILITIES OF THE DEVELOPER? SOME OF THE THERE ARE SOME INACCURACIES I SAW IN THE DOCUMENTS FOR INSTANCE HIGHLIGHTING FORT PIERCE WOULD TAKE OVER THE ROAD AS WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED LATER IT WOULD BE A COUNTY ROAD BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE DEVELOPER TO ACCURATELY PRESENT THE HOME VALUE AND THE HOME PRICE THAT THEY'RE SELLING. YOU KNOW LENAR ONE OF THEIR MARKETING THEMES IS EVERYTHING IS INCLUDED. WHEN WE LOOK AT THEIR HOME PRICE IF THE MINIMUM HOME VALUE IS $200,000 AND WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY WHO IS LOOKING AT BREAKING THE SYSTEM OF BEING A RENTER AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S MY MORTGAGE PAYMENT GOING TO BE? $850 A MONTH IF I ARMOIRE TER RISE IT OVER A 30 YEAR MORTGAGE AND THEN WE FACTOR IN HOA ASSESSMENT. [02:50:05] COMBINED -- MAYBE IT'S 135 WE HAVE UTILITIES INSURANCE TAXES A WIDE VARIETY OF FEES THAT HAVE TO BE AACCOUNTED FOR CABLE INNER NET. WHAT -- SO INSTEAD OF ADDING FEES AND TUCKING IT IN THE END OF THE WE'RE WHEN FOLKS ARE TRYING TO YOU KNOW MAKE ENDS MEET AT THE END OF THE YEAR I THINK IT SHOULD BE ACCURATELY REFLECTED AND THE COST SHOULD BE BARED BY PART OF THE DEVELOPER. THAT WAS PART OF THEIR COMMITMENT. SO IF THE TRUE MARKET COST IS 229 THOUSAND THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE LISTED FOR. NOT 200,000 WITH THESE FEES TACTED ON WITH LIABILITY OVER YEARS FOR OTHER POTENTIAL BUYERS -- OR FOLKS TRYING TO ENDURE THE AMERICAN DREAM BY BUYING AN EDGE HOCHL MY CONCERNS AND I LIVE IN A DEVELOPED PORTION. -- IF THE CDD FAILS IS THERE LIABILITY FOR IT TO BE SPREAD ON THE MASTER HOA TO COVER THE FEES IF LENAR VACATES THE DEVELOPMENT OR GETS OUT? ALSO DECREASE OF PROPERTY VALUES. IF I'M TO GET AN ASSESSED APPRAISE VAL FOR MY HOME THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT COMPARABLE SALES. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> APPRECIATE IT. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> AS YOU KNOW THAT MR. BENTON IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE HE NOT ONY LIVES THERE I ALSO OWN PROPERTY AT BENT CREEK. A RECENT OWNER. >> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? >> I LIVE ON 13 OH TWO NEBRASKA AVENUE BUT DO OWN PROPERTY -- AT BENT CREEK JUST RECENTLY PURCHASECH. ONE OF THE REASON IT DID NOT HAVE A CDD. I LOOKED AT ADAMS WATER STONE UP ON LAKEWOOD PARK WHO HAS A LARGE CDD 800900 DOLLARS A YEAR WILL BE TACKED ONTO YOUR TAXES AS THE GENTLEMAN SAID -- NOW IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT THAT'S FINE. I COULDN'T AFFORD IT. I BOUGHT LENAR HOME AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY MOVING IN THERE SOME DAY WHEN I CHOICE TO VACATE MY PROPERTY OVER NEAR LAWN WOOD MEDICAL CENTER. BUT THE THING I'M ALSO WANTING TO KNOW IS DOES THE CDD HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIP OR RESPONSIBILITY TO CURRENT HOA AND THEIR FEES AND WILL THE CDD HAVE ANY TYPE OF YOU KNOW RELATIONSHIP TO THAT IF SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN OR NOT HAPPEN THE HOA WOULD HAVE TO I ASSUME SOME OF THOSE RESPOND BUILT TEES OF MAINTENANCE FOR THE PROPERTY BECAUSE I'M IN THE HOA IN THE OLD PART -- AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEW PART AND LOOKING AT THAT PARTICULAR AREA. THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER BROUGHT UP AND COMMISSIONER SESSIONS WAS THE ASPECT OF THE CURRENT AMENITIES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED AND/OR NOT PROVIDED THERE. NOW YES ALL THE CLUBHOUSE AND SUCH IS BUILT BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'RE STILL LANDSCAPING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY LENAR UNDER THE CURRENT MASTER PLAN AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PLANTED IN MY FRONT YARD ON BURKEDALE ROAD. BURKEDALE DRIVE I SHOULD SAY. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE ALSO. AND I DID JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CURRENT OWNERS WILL NOT BE HAVING ANY IMPACT CDD HAVE ANY IMPACT WITH THE HOA CON EARTHING OUR FEES. THAT'S THE THING I WOULD REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT -- CONCERNING OUR FEES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUE -- ISSUE SHOES. WHAT I WOULD LIKE NOW IS THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING IN CLOSING OUT OR RESPOND TO ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. >> ABSOLUTELY. AND I MIGHT LET GINGER TAKE SOME OF THE MORE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS BUT TO ADDRESS THE 2 GENTLEMEN APPS COMMENTS AGAIN THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING O BE ESTABLISHED OVER THE DEVELOPED PHASES -- THIS IS FOR THE FUTURE PHASES. SO THIS IS ONLY FOR THE AREAS THAT ARE -- >> YOU CAN JUST ADDRESS US AND HE'LL HEAR IT. >> THIS IS ONLY FOR THE FUTURE PHASES. THIS HAS NO IMPACT. THERE WILL BE NO ASSESSMENT. THEY WILL NOT BE IN THE CDD. THIS IS ONLY GOING TO BE ON THE NONE DEVELOPED FIZZES OF THE COMPLUNT I SO IT SHOULD BE -- PHASES. SO IT SHOULD BE A NET RIGHT TRAL ELEMENT. >> NO LIABILITY. >> NO LIABILITY. AND IN TERMS OF CROSS OVER AND CARRY OVER BETWEEN A DISTRICT AND AN ASSOCIATION WE HAVE NO PLANNED INTENT SHINS TO COMINGLE RESPONSIBILITIES. -- AT SOME POINT SOMETIMES THERE ARE COST SHARING AGREEMENTS. THERE ARE THINGS THAT MOST OF THE TIME AND ANOTHER CDD WE HAVE IN PORT ST. LOUIS SAY COPPER [02:55:04] CREEK -- WE JUST DID A COST SHARING AGREEMENT IN WHICH IT WAS TO THE BENCH FIT OF THE ASSOCIATION AND THE CDD WAS ABLE TO TAKE ON DRAINAGE RESPONSIBILITIES IN CERTAIN AREAS THAT THE HOA WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR. WE WERE ABLE TO PUT THAT UNDER ONE HAT. >> SO YOU MIGHT WORK TOGETHER BUT IT'S NOT YOU'RE NOT LINKED TOGETHER. THAT'S TOTALLY VOLUNTARY. >> THERE'S NO LINKAGE YES, MA'AM. >> I MIGHT LET -- >> HE HAS A QUESTION. >> YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT DRAINAGE. SO IS THE COMMUNITY ITSELF IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN IS IT ALL LINKED? BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN FORT PIERCE WHERE WE KNOW THE DRAINAGE MOSTLY. IT'S A FLOW THROUGH. IS THAT HAPPENING HERE? DOES ONE SIDE CONNECT TO THE OTHER WHICH OUT FALLS TO 5 MILE CREEK? HOW DOES IT WORK? >> WELL, THE PROPERTY YEAH I BELIEVE AND AGAIN I'M NOT AS VERSED WITH THE CIVIL PLANS AS I SHOULD BE. I'M MUCH MORE OF A PLANNING ZONING TYPE AT THIS POINT BUT I DO KNOW WE ARE BIFURCATED I BELIEVE BY A SMALL CANAL AND I DO BELIEVE THAT CREATES SEVERAL DIFFERENT BASINS BUT IT IS ONE DRAINAGE PERMIT. IT IS ALL ONE OVERALL DRAINAGE SYSTEM. IT MAY JUST BE SUBDIVIDED INTO DIFFERENT BASINS. I'M SORRY IF THAT I WASN'T ABLE TO ARTICULATE SATISFIED YOUR RESPONSE. >> IT GOES BACK TO THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND WHAT THE GENTLEMEN CAME UP AND TALKED ABOUT. SO THE RESPONSIBILITY IF IT'S WHERE ROADWAYS ARE PRIVATE OWNERSHIP NOW AND THE HOA TAKES CARE OF THAT DOES THE HOA OR IS THIS SECTION OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN IS IT GOING TO CONNECT TO OR IS ONE BASIN AS YOU CALLED IT GOING TO CONNECT TO THE OTHER BEFORE IT OUT FALLS AS ONE RESPONSIBLE AND ONE IS NOT? YOU KNOW YOU GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF A JOINT AGREEMENT TO HELP AN HOA SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAYOUT OF THIS LAND. >> CURRENTLY THE INTENTION IS TO TAKE NO STEPS THAT WOULD ALTER ANYTHING RELATIVE TO THE DRAINAGE. IT'S JUST THERE'S NO INTENTION TO BI FISHING KATE THE AREAS BETWEEN THE ASSOCIATION AND THE CDD IT WOULD BE AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED AND PERMITTED. THE ONLY CAVEAT WOULD BE THE FUTURE PHASES WOULD FALL WITHIN THIS DISTRICT. THERE'S NO INTENTION AT THIS POINT TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL COMINGLING OTHER THAN THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITY NEWS STICK BENEFITS TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TO OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO GOOD WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. >> OK. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE MIGHT BE AT THIS POINT. >> THAT MAKES SENSE. SO AND WHAT ARE THE DISCUSSIONS GOING ON WITH THE COUNTY AND COUNTY TAKING OVER PETERSON ROAD? WHAT ARE THE LEGAL PARAMETERS OR STEPS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW? >> COMMISSIONER PETERSON ROAD IS CURRENTLY A COUNTY ROAD AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE A COUNTY ROAD AFTER IT'S CONNECTED TO JENKINS. >> OK. SO EVERYTHING THAT'S WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AT THE PETERSON ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE IS GOING TO BE IN PRIVATE HANDS ONCE CONSTRUCTED? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE YEAH I'M LOOKING AT GOOGLE EARTH IS WHY I'M ZOOM ANYTHING. >> ALL INTERNAL ROADS WILL BE -- PRIVATE ROADS AND PETERSON ROAD IS WITHIN THE COUNTY PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY WHICH IS LIKE THE COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS REVIEWING THE PETERSON ROAD PLANS AND THE BRIDGE. >> ALL RIGHT ARE THERE ANY LEGAL I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE WORD ISSUES. WHAT STEPS ARE BEING TAKEN LEGALLY FOR THAT CONVEYANCE AND WHAT KIND OF CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE BASED ON BECAUSE I KNOW THAT PETERSON SEPARATES THE 2 AND WHAT KIND OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY WHAT'S HAPPENING OWN IF SOUTH SIDE AND NORTH SIDE AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT? YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE PROGRESSION OF CONSTRUCTION EVEN? >> SO NOT BEING A CIVIL ENGINEER BUT I'LL SPEAK IN GENERAL I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE IN THAT THE PETERSON ROAD WILL BE REVIEWED BY DID COUNTY. LENAR WILL CONSTRUCT RODE THROUGH A RIGHT-OF-WAY AGREEMENT OR RIGHT-OF-WAY CONSTRUCTION PERMIT EVERYTHING WILL BE TURNED OVER BY THE COUNTY. ONCE THE COUNTY ACCEPTS IT. THE COUNTY ENGINEER ACCEPTS IT'S BEEN BUILT IN TO THE PLANS. >> I THINK COMMISSIONER PRONO WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER LOOKING FOR EXPEDITING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE A WIDELY USED PUBLIC ROAD. >> IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT ROAD. PROVIDE THAT CONNECTION TO [03:00:01] JENKINS ROAD THAT HAS BEEN MISSING. AND JUST IN TERMS OF TIMING, WE SUBMITTED -- THIS ALL HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR. FOR WHATEVER REASON IT LANGWISHED FOR MANY MONTHS. WE DID THE LANDSCAPE PLANS AND IRRIGATION AND WHAT NOT. AND THEN LENAR STARTS RUNNING OUT OF PRODUCT. AND THEY START FORECASTING THEIR DATE. AND WE START TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THEY GET THE DEER IN HEADLIGHT LOOK. SO IT WAS INCUMBENT UPON ME TO COME IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, KIND OF BRING IT OUT OF THE MOTH BALLS. YOUR CURRENT STAFF, MR. MIMS, MS. COX, HAVE BASICALLY MOVED MOUNTAINS IN THE PAST THREE MONTHS TO GET THE PLOTS BACK UP AND RUNNING. REVIEWED THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS ROOTED THROUGH THE CITY ENGINEER TO THE COUNTY. CAME OFF OF FROM ZERO ON A CDD, ARE WORKING ON A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BEFORE YOU HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO. SO YES, THE TIME IS, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS NOW. AND I'M CONSTANTLY EMAILING THE COUNTY WANTING THE COMMENTS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND THE COST ESTIMATE. I WAS JUST TALKING WITH YOUR CITY ENGINEER, MR. ANDREWS, WHEN I STEPPED OUT. ASKING HIM HAS STAFF REVIEWED OUR INTERNAL COST REVIEW ESTIMATES SO WE CAN GET THE BOND AND SURETY IMPROVEMENTS IN PLACE. WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE HAVE THE COUNTY'S APPROVAL. I COPIED MS. COX AND MR. MIMS AND MS. HOFMEISTER ASKING TO REVIEW THE PLANS. WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE AND WE WANT TO GET IT DONE QUICKLY. WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. HOWEVER THE VOTE GOES, I DO WANT TO COMMEND YOUR STAFF FOR DUSTING THIS OFF AND GOING FROM ZERO TO 60 PRETTY RAPIDLY. >> GOOD. THANK YOU. I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS GIVEN EARLIER. AND MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. >> I THINK A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ANSWERED. BUT A FEW THAT I HEARD THAT MAY PROVIDE SOME BENEFIT. AGAIN, AS TO THE NONAD VELORUM TAXES, THE ASSESSMENTS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THEY'RE ALL BASED UPON THE BOND. SO IT'S GOING TO BE BASED UPON THE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION. IN THE PETITION, THERE IS A GOOD FAITH ESTIMATE. THE GOOD FAITH ESTIMATE AND THE PETITION IS $4.2 MILLION. IT COULD BE A LITTLE MORE. IT COULD BE A LITTLE LESS. WITH THAT, THAT IS WHAT YOU'D BE LOOKING AT FOR THE BOND SIZING, FOR THAT BOND TO BE. DEPENDING ON HOW MANY UNITS, HOW MANY HOMES EVENTUALLY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. AND OF COURSE YOU HAVEN'T APPROVED THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THAT IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE ALLOCATED FROM THAT BOND AS TO THOSE NUMBER OF HOMES. AGAIN, AS I STATED BEFORE, IT IS REQUIRED BY CHAPTER 190 OF A DISCLOSURE. EACH ONE OF A SALES CONTRACT. IN FACT, IT HAS TO BE IN A LARGER FRONT BEFORE THE SIGNATURE LINE OF THE PURCHASER. THAT DISCLOSES THAT THEY'RE BUYING IN TO A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND THERE COULD BE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS PLACED UPON THEIR HOME. AND WITH THAT, IN DEALING WITH LENAR WITH OTHER MATTERS, LENAR ALSO PROVIDES THOSE OTHER ESTIMATES SEPARATELY. AND I BELIEVE YOU'LL STILL HAVE THOSE BIG BOARDS WHEN YOU ENTER IN TO THE SALES HOME. YOU CAN DESCRIBE IT A LITTLE BETTER. I'VE SEEN IT. >> SO NONE OF THOSE LOTS OF BEEN SOLD. >> IT'S ALL LENAR. >> SO THIS DOESN'T AFFECT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AT -- IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYBODY THAT OWNS A LOT? >> NO. >> OKAY. >> IF ANYONE HAD LIVED WITHIN THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES THAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO CREATE, AS YOU HAVE IN THE PETITION, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO JOIN IN THIS PETITION WITH AN AFFIDAVIT. THAT'S WHY YOU ONLY SAW ONE AFFIDAVIT. I HAVE THEM CREATED IN DIFFERENT AREAS. DIFFERENT COUNTIES. I JUST DID ONE IN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY WHERE WE HAD 12 DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS HAD TO SIGN AN [03:05:01] AFFIDAVIT CONSENTING TO AND ACQUIESCING TO. >> MADAME MAYOR, THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAME BEFORE US EARLIER, THIS WOULD NOT IMPACT THEM, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. NOW THAT MAKES ME FEEL A LOT BETTER NOW. >> THEY HAVE -- OKAY, THE GENTLEMAN -- AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T RECALL. >> IT DOESN'T MATTER. >> THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST PURCHASED PROPERTY IN THE FIRST PHASE, HE HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATSOEVER. HE'S NOT PART OF A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES. HE DOESN'T PAY FOR ANYTHING AS TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. NOT THE BOND. NOT THE OPERATION EXPENSES. NOTHING. >> OKAY. >> ONLY THE INDIVIDUALS, ONLY TOSE WHETHER THEY'RE CORPORATIONS, WHETHER INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GONNA BUY THOSE INDIVIDUAL LOTS. >> AND THE EXISTING HOA IS THE EXISTING HOA. >> NOTHING TO DO -- >> NEW AREA, NEW PHASE COULD HAVE ITS OWN HOA. >> IF IT WANTS IT. NOW. NO LIABILITY. >> THEY ARE TWO, TOTALLY SEPARATE ENTITIES. THE CDD IS ONLY FOR THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT NEW PHASE. AND I HOPE THAT'S CLARIFIED A LITTLE BIT. I THINK I ANSWERED MOST OF THE QUESTIONS. >> MADAME MAYOR. >> COMMISSIONER. >> THERE WERE TWO OTHER ONES. ONE WAS THE TIME FRAME OF THE CDD. AND THE OTHER WAS WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO AWRY WITH CDD. >> THANK YOU. THE TIME FRAME FOR THE CDD IS TH THIS: THIS IS STEP ONE. AS ANTICIPATED, AND WE'VE ALSO ADVERTISED FOR IT, AS TO STEP TWO. FOR AUGUST 17TH. ONCE THAT'S GONE, IF THIS COMMISSION, WE HOPE IT DOES, GOES AHEAD AND PASSES THAT ORDINANCE, THE CDD IS NOW ESTABLISHED 100%. WE HAVE TO FILE WITH THE STATE. WE HAVE TO FILE THE NOTICE SAYING THE ESTABLISHMENT HAS OCCURRED. WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT? WITHIN 60 DAYS, THE CDD HAS TO HAVE A MEETING OF ITS INITIAL BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WHICH YOU ALSO HAVE IN THE PAST. THEN WE START. WE START THE PROCESS. THE CDD HAS TO DO A LOT OF THINGS. JUST LIKE ANY GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY WHEN IT HAS TO SET UP. IT HAS TO DO THAT IN A PUBLIC MEETING. ANYBODY CAN COME. ANYBODY CAN PARTICIPATE THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT JUST LIKE YOU HAVE HERE. THEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BOND PROCESS. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEERS REPORT. WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT METHODOLOGY REPORT. WHAT IS THIS GOING TO COST? HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE ALLOCATED IN EACH ONE OF THE LOTS. FIRST IT'S GOING TO BE ACRED, THEN IT WILL BE LOTS. ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS HAVE TO BE HELD. THEN WE HAVE TO FILE WITH THE BOND VALIDATION IN COURT. AND THAT PROCESS AS WELL. USUALLY FROM START TO GETTING THE IMPOSITION OF THOSE ASSESSMENTS ON THE PROPERTY IS A PERIOD OF TIME OF FOUR TO SIX MONTHS. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE CONSTRUCTION CANNOT OCCUR. AND AS WAS ALREADY STATED HERE, LENAR, ONCE IT GETS ALL THE APPROVALS, IS READY TO START CONSTRUCTING. BUT FROM THE CDD PERSPECTIVE,THAT'S HOW THE TIMING WORKS AND THAT'S WHAT HAS TO BE DONE. AS TO THE OTHER QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE CDD FAILS? WHAT HAPPENS TO ANY GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY WHEN IT FAILS? IT CAN SEEK ASSISTANCE FROM THE STATE. THERE IS A FINANCIAL EMERGENCY. I DON'T THINK THIS CITY HAS EVER DONE IT. I KNOW CITY OF MIAMI AND CITY OF HOLLYWOOD STARTED THE PROCESS YEARS AGO IN THE DOWNTURN OF THE ECONOMY. CDD AS A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY COULD DO THAT. BUT I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT. IN THIS INSTANCE, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE CDD IS IT CONTINUES TO FUNCTION BECAUSE IT IS THAT END USER, THAT PROPERTY OWNER THAT FINANCES AND CONTINUES TO RUN THE CDD. HOW LONG DOES THE CDD LAST? I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS. AS LONG AS THE INDIVIDUALS WANT IT TO CONTINUE. I HAVE A CDD IN BROWARD COUNTY, TURTLE RUN, THAT IS NOW IN ITS 37TH YEAR. IF MY MATH IS CORRECT. IT'S ALREADY PAID OFF ITS BONDS. IT'S A LARGE COMMUNITY IN CORAL SPRINGS. AND IT HAS CONTINUED TO BUILD ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. IT CONTINUES ON AND ON. I HAVE OTHER CDDS, THEY PAID OFF THEIR BONDS. THEY NO LONGER WANTED TO BE IN EXISTENCE. SO THEY FILED A PETITION TO DISSOLVE. SO AS TO ITS LIFETIME, IT'S AS LONG AS THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO CONTINUE. >> MADAME MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. >> 190 WAS ESTABLISHED I BELIEVE [03:10:01] IN STATUTES 1980. SO WE'RE TALKING 40 YEARS. WE HAVE A 40-YEAR TRACK RECORD ON THE BOOKS. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> YOU'RE EXPERIENCING, AND WHAT YOU'RE PROVIDING TO US. SOME CDDS HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY'VE DISSOLVED. IT'S GONE AWAY. IN THIS CASE, THE DEVELOPMENT IS -- I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE WORD BOUND OR TRAPPED -- BUT IT ALMOST IS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TOO MUCH MORE TO GROW, I DON'T BELIEVE. IT COULD. IT COULD. BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER GROUP DOWN SOUTH THAT GREW AND CONTINUES TO GROW TODAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD THAT IT'S THE OPTION OF HOWEVER LONG THE BOND -- WHAT'S A TYPICAL BOND LENGTH? >> 30 YEARS. >> 30 YEARS. >> YES, THAT IS CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> ALL RIGHTY. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. AND ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION. FOR A RECOMMENDATION OR A MOTION. >> MADAME MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. >> I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT CAME BEFORE US, I HOLD VERY REPUTABLE IN TERMS OF ONE BEING A RESIDENT, ONE BEING A PREVIOUS PLANNER, AND ONE BEING ON THE PLANNING BOARD ITSELF FOR THEM TO COME OUT IN OPPOSITION. AND THEY STATED THEIR REASONS. BASED UPON THE ARGUMENT THAT'S BEEN MADE, IT'S NOT GOING TO EVEN IMPACT THEM DIRECTLY. WHICH I FEEL THEY MADE A VALID ARGUMENT. GIVEN THE DEVELOPER'S POSITION AND THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO FULFILL THE PLANS IN TERMS OF THE BAIL OUT AND BEING SUCCESSFUL WITH THE PLANS AND THE BONDS THEMSELVES HAVING THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT INVESTORS DO WITH BONDS. THEY MAKE IT WORK FOR THEM. RELUCTANTLY, I SOMEWHAT, BUT BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING HERE, I CAN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND WITH DISCUSSION. >> SECOND WITH -- GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER FARONA. >> I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR THERE'S A TAILWIND OF DEMAND. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. WHEN YOU START TALKING, ESPECIALLY WITH DEVELOPERS. A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST A LOT OF WORDS. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE DEMAND OUT THERE, THAT'S WHAT DRIVES EVERYTHING. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. I HEARD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS CDD MAY AFFECT MARKABILITY. EVERYBODY WILL HAVE TO PAY THOSE ANNUAL COSTS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT MARKETABILITY. THAT'S COMMERCIAL. Y'ALL DO WHATEVER YOU GOTTA DO. IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO SELL, I'M SURE YOU WON'T DO IT. IF IT DOESN'T SELL, THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM NOT MINE. WHAT I DO LIKE IS THE FACT THAT MAYBE BY PASSING THIS, WE GIVE THEM A VEHICLE TO BE ABLE TO HELP WITH INFILL, WITH ROAD CONSTRUCTION, BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION. THINGS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING ANYWAY. REALLY THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH. IT'S KIND OF FUNNY, GENTLEMAN FROM LENAR HOMES GOT UP HERE AND SAID, YEAH, THEY ADD $1,000 TO MY TAX BILL EVERY YEAR. I KNOW EVERY PERSON IN FORT PIERCE WOULD JUMP THAT HIGH IF WE DID THAT. WE'VE TRIED TO GET THINGS PASSED FOR $10 AND E I TELL YOU WHAT? THAT'S LIKE PULLING TEETH. IT'S FULLY KNOWLEDGEABLE. THEY KNOW THEY'RE BUYING IN TO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S ALL PART OF THE DEAL. IT ISN'T ONE PRICE BUYS EVERYTHING. BUT AT LEAST IF YOU'RE UP FRONT WITH THE WHOLE THING. AGAIN, THAT'S MARKETING AND THAT'S NOT MY CAUSE TODAY. MY CAUSE IS JUST TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, BY DOING THIS, I BELIEVE THAT ALL THE PROMISES, ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS, ALL THE PLANS AND EVERYTHING ELSE COME TO FRUITION AND WE MOVE THIS THING FORWARD. WE HAVE THE INFILL. WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF STRUCTURES, ROADWAYS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE MOVING FORWARD. AND HOPEFULLY A WHOLE LOT OF NEW RESIDENTS THAT CAN COME HERE AND HELP US WITH OUR DECISIONS. >> YEAH. YEAH. >> MADAME MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. >> AND I AGREE. MY CHALLENGE WITH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS ASKING EARLIER GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, THE PARAMETERS OF THE BOUNDARIES. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. BUT I'M HESITANT ON THE PARTS [03:15:03] AND THE PIECES OF THE AGREEMENTS. AND IT HAS TO GO BACK TO -- IT'S JUST LONGWOOD VILLAGE. IN THAT AREA. WHERE MR. BERG CURRENTLY RESIDES IN. AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HOAS. THE SYSTEM CONVEYS ACROSS PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, IF I CAN USE THAT PHRASE. AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT HERE. NOW WE'RE IN A DRAINAGE BASIN, A FIVE-MILE CREEK THAT HAS ITS OWN ISSUES. AND WE HAVE A WATER CONTROL DISTRICT IN THAT AREA THAT CONTROLS. IT'S A SEPARATE ENTITY OUTSIDE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND ST. LUCIE COUNTY. START THINKING ABOUT THE FEATURES. WE TALKED ABOUT THE ROADWAY AS THE DRAINAGE CONVEYANCE SYSTEM. YOU KNOW, AND I HEARD COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER'S QUESTION ABOUT THAT. AND HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. AND ONE OF THOSE RESIDENTS CAME AND SPOKE, AND ACTUALLY A NEW PURCHASER OF THAT AREA. I'M JUST HESITANT ON THOSE PARAMETERS. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD VEHICLE IF IT WAS ESTABLISHED AND SET UP IN THE BEGINNING INFANT STAGES. I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THE CHANGE, IF THERE WAS A CHANGE AND THE CDD DID GO AWAY. HOW DOES THAT DEFAULT BACK? WHERE DOES THE BURDEN LIE? WHERE DOES IT REST? I'M UNCLEAR ON THAT. AS FAR AS THE END STORY IF THERE WAS A CHANGE. YOU KNOW, OR IF IT JUST WENT UPSIDE DOWN AND THEY CLOSED IT. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. AS MUCH AS I WANT TO SUPPORT IT, I'M NOT THERE. I'M NOT THERE YET. AND THOSE ARE MY REASONS. >> SO I THINK ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HAPPEN IS THAT THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM LENAR ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE SPEAKERS HERE. BECAUSE THEY'RE LONGTIME FORT PIERCE RESIDENTS AND I TAKE THEIR CONCERNS SERIOUSLY. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR -- I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS. BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO REACH OUT TO THESE PEOPLE. AT LEAST ONE QUESTION WASN'T ANSWERED WHEN ASKED ABOUT LANDSCAPING. I DON'T WANT TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T WANT TO OPEN THAT AGAIN. I'M ENCOURAGING YOU TO REACH OUT TO REASSURE. AND I THINK COMMISSIONER JOHNSON HAS SOME VALID CONCERNS. I'M GOING TO COUNT ON OUR ENGINEERS AT THE COUNTY AND THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE. BUT I'M OKAY WITH THIS TONIGHT. COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, DO YOU HAVE ANYMORE TO SAY BEFORE WE VOTE? >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> NOW I CAN. >> I'M SORRY. I JUST THINK ABOUT THE FAMILIES THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA AND BEEN OUT THERE FOR YEARS. AND FOR US TO HAVE PETERSON ROAD, YOU CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT A DIFFERENCE THAT ONE LITTLE ROAD WILL MAKE. >> YEAH. >> THAT CONNECTIVITY. SO I'M ON BOARD WITH THEM. >> OKAY. >> AS LONG AS THEY DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO. >> WELL THEY TESTIFIED UNDER OATH TONIGHT. ARE WE READY TO VOTE? >> IT WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME. >> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PORONA. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY. NEXT, WE HAVE ORDINANCE 20-019, [e. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 20-019 adopting 2020 Fort Pierce Redevelopment Plan Update and providing for an extension of operational timeframe. FIRST READING] AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE UPDATE FOR THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY PROVIDING FOR AN EXTENSION OF THE OPERATIONAL TIME FRAME. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND REPEALING ORDINANCES FOR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT. THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> THIS IS THE FIRST READING. MR. MIMS. >> MADAME MAYOR, MEMBERS OF AGO, JULY 28TH, WE HAD A FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY BOARD MEETING. AT THAT BOARD MEETING WE HAD A VERY THOROUGH AND DETAILED PRESENTATION BY MR. JOHN JONES THAT WENT THROUGH OUR FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN UPDATE THAT WE STARTED BACK IN JULY OF [03:20:01] 2019. AND WHAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED IS A MECHANISM THAT HAS A FOUR-POINT ACTION PLAN. THOSE FOUR POINTS OF ACTION ARE TO RESTORE NEIGHBORHOODS, FOSTER ARTS AND CULTURE, RECENTER THE ECONOMIC BASE AND TO RECONNECT. AS WE DO THOSE FOUR POINTS OF ACTION, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT ARE SCHEDULED TO BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH THE YEAR 2042. SO IN ESSENCE, WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT HERE IS ADOPTING THIS RESOLUTION. I'M SORRY. ADOPTING THE ACTUAL PLAN THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU ALL THAT WOULD IN ESSENCE ALLOW THE FPRE TO CONTINUE ON THROUGH 2042 TO IMPLEMENT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN THAT WAS CRAFTED THROUGH A MUCH, MUCH COMMUNITY INPUT. AND ALSO, INPUT FROM YOUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD. SO AT THIS TIME THIS ORDINANCE IS PRESENTED FOR YOUR APPROVAL. >> THIS DOESN'T INVOLVE ZONING OR ANYTHING. THIS IS A WISHLIST. THIS IS A PLAN. THIS IS THAT IS FLEXIBLE ENOUGH AND NIMBLE ENOUGH THAT WE CAN CHANGE OUR MIND IF WE CHOOSE TO AS LONG AS WE FOLLOW THE GENERAL GUIDELINES. >> YES, MA'AM. >> IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OF THIS BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> YES. >> YES, MA'AM. >> YES, MA'AM. [f. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 20-008 amending the City’s Comprehensive Plan to include revisions to the Future Land Use Element Subsection B, Commercial, to require the uses within the Central Business District (CBD) to have mixed-uses which may include commercial / retail, allow for single-family residential as part of those mixed-use developments, expand the range of office and retail uses which may be permissible. FIRST READING] >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 20-008 THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, RELATING TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO -- SUBSECTION B COMMERCIAL TO REQUIRE THE USES WITHIN THE -- WHICH MAY INCLUDE COMMERCIAL RETAIL, ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS PART OF THOSE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. WHICH MAY BE PERMISSIBLE. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. IN CONFLICT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> IN HOFMEISTER. >> MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. WE ARE PROPOSING THIS AMENDMENT. IT'S A TWO-FOLD PROCESS. ONE, IT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 322 NORTH 2ND STREET WHICH IS ALSO REFERRED TO AS THE KING'S LANDING SITE. IT WAS DURING THIS TIME THAT PROCESS THAT WE ALSO IDENTIFIED SOME AMENDMENTS TO OUR DEFINITION OF CENTRAL BUSINESS STRICT THAT WILL IMPLEMENT THE VISION FOR OUR DOWNTOWN. AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, THE KING'S LANDING DEVELOPMENT AND THE CITY ENTERED IN TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHICH HELD BOTH OF THE PARTIES RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME DUE DILIGENCE WORK. THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY WAS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LANDING'S FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. >> THIS WAS PART OF OUR AGREEMENT? >> THIS WAS PART OF OUR AGREEMENT. RIGHT NOW BECAUSE -- >> JUST A SECOND. ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOMETHING ON OUR SCREENS? YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON YOUR SCREEN, RIGHT? >> YES. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> WE SAW YOU. >> YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? >> WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LOGO. >> OKAY. CAN EVERYONE SEE? >> NOT YET. LET'S SEE HERE. >> FOR THE NEXT TWO SLIDES. >> WE'RE NOT HERE YET. >> WE'RE USUALLY BEHIND THAT SCREEN. >> NOT YET. ALMOST. >> ALMOST. YEAH. THERE WE GO. >> ALL RIGHT. I HAVE THE LANGUAGE ON TWO SLIDES. THE FIRST SLIDE SHOWS THE STRIKE THROUGH AND UNDERLINE. IT PROVIDES WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS NOW. STRIKE THROUGH. IT CALLS FOR MIXED USE HIGH RISE DEVELOPMENT. IT LIMITED THE TYPE OF HIGH RISE DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD TAKE PLACE IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT. AS WE ARE AWARE, THE KING'S [03:25:04] LANDING PROVIDES FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. WE DID NOT WANT JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BECAUSE THE VERY DEFINITION OF CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT REQUIRES A MIXED USES. 25% MINIMUM IS REQUIRED TO BE RESIDENTIAL. SO WE WANTED TO EXPAND UPON THAT. SO WE'VE INCLUDED TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL IN THAT. SO I KNOW THAT IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING TO LOOK AT THIS WITH THE STRIKETHROUGH. SO IF IT'S THE COMMISSION'S PLEASURE, THE SECOND SLIDE JUST HAS AN UNDERLINE AND BUSINESS DN IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD OFFER COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL. THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE FOR HIGHER DENSITY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN OUR DOWNTOWN CORE. SHALL INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL AND NOW WE'RE EXPANDING FROM THE CONDOMINIUM AND APARTMENTS TO ALSO INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND DETACHED, OFFICE USES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ARTIST WORK AND SALES SPACE, RETAIL INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO BOUTIQUES, CAFES, RESTAURANTS, FUEL SALES, HOTELS, MOTELS, PARKS AND RECREATION, COMPLEMENTARY PARKS AND PARKING FACILITIES. IN ADDITION, WE ARE ALSO ADDING SOME CLARIFICATION TO OUR RESIDENTIAL USES AS IT READS: SHALL COMPRISE A MINIMUM OF 25% FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. SINGLE FAMILY USES SHALL ONLY BE PERMITTED AS PART OF THE OVERALL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. SHALL INCLUDE OFFICE, COMMERCIAL, ARTISAN AND RETAIL USES. >> SO THAT IS -- GO BACK TO THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> TELL ME. EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY. >> WHAT THAT ENTAILS? >> YEAH. >> AS OUR DOWNTOWN CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT CALLS FOR A MIX OF USES. IT IS THE WHOLE VISION OF THE DOWNTOWN IS TO ENCOURAGE LIVE, WORK, PLAY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO WE DON'T WANT JUST SAY ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO BE DEVELOPED DOWNTOWN. >> THAT'S RIGHT. A HOUSE WITH GROUNDS -- RIGHT. OKAY. >> WE WANT TO INCLUDE A MIX OF USES. >> I'LL EXPLAIN THAT FURTHER WHEN WE TOUCH UPON OUR IMPLEMENTING CITY CODE. THAT MIXED USE CAN BE BOTH VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL. WE CAN ALLOW FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. BUT IF IT'S PART OF A LARGER MIXED USE. >> THANK YOU. YES, SIR. >> TO BUILD ON THAT -- ACTUALLY, I TAKE THAT BACK. THE PART THAT WAS EXISTING, I ALWAYS HAD CONFLICT THINKING ABOUT THIS. RESIDENTIAL USES SHALL COMPROMISE A MINIMUM. YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME AN UPPER LIMIT. YOU GAVE ME A MINIMUM. IT'S CALLED THE CDD. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I'VE GOT A MAXIMUM. >> IT'S NOT A MAXIMUM. >> GIVE ME THE UPPER. TALK TO ME ABOUT THE WHOLE STORY. >> YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WHETHER IT TAKES THE PLACE OF A CONDO, APARTMENT, IRREGULAR HOME OR A TOWNHOME. AT THE SAME TIME IT SAYS YOU MUST ALSO HAVE A KNOT RESIDENTIAL USE. HERE YOU ARE HAVING A BITE AT THE APPLE TWICE BUT YOU ARE GETTING RESIDENTIAL YOU ARE ALLOWING FOR A MIX OF NONRESIDENTIAL USES. THERE HAS TO BE A MIX. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY YOU CAN BUILD IF YOU DON'T HAVE THESE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.SHOULD WE PUT A FACTOR OF A NUMBER PERCENTAGE ON THE OFFICE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT? WE HAVE ONE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT ON THE OTHER. >> THE ONLY REASON, MADDOCK MAYOR, IF I MAY. BY PUTTING PERCENTAGES ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL THAT WE ALREADY KNOW THAT 75 PERCENT HAVE TO BE NONRESIDENTIAL. THAT IT ALLOWS FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN WITH A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT IT MEETS THE TIMES. THINGS VERY OVER THE YEARS. IT ALLOWS THEM TO PROVIDE, OFFICE AT A TIME THAT MAYBE WE [03:30:04] NEED THAT OR MAYBE A MARKET STUDY OR THE COLLIER WHO WE JUST HIRED AS OUR RETAIL CONSULTANTS. MAYBE WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW IS MORE OFFICE OR MORE RETAIL. THIS ALLOWS THEM TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND WHAT THEIR MARKET STUDIES HAVE PROVEN IS THE BEST NONRESIDENTIAL USES THAT THE MARKET CAN BEAR AT THAT TIME. >> I APPRECIATE THAT AND SO DO WE, AS MUCH AS I LIKE NUMBERS, DO WE NEED TO SPECIFY A NUMBER? IS IT IMPORTANT TO US IN OUR DOCUMENT? DO WE SAY THAT THE MINIMUM IS 25 PERCENT FOR RESIDENTIAL. IS THAT JUST, WE SEE IT ACROSS ALL OF OUR ZONING DISTRICTS THAT THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO BE. IS THAT WHERE YOU ARE? >> WHEN WE START RESEARCHING OTHER COMMUNITIES. >> I TRIED TO AVOID THIS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WHEN WE DID RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE A SIMILAR FORMAT, WHERE THEY TAKE THEIR DOWNTOWN COURSE AND THEY TRY TO DO TRUE MAKES DEVELOPMENT. THEY EACH HAD A CAP OR CAP IS THE WRONG WORD. A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL. TYPICALLY WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN DOWNTOWN AREAS IS A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE BUT YOU SEE A CONDO BUILDING GOING UP OR A SERIES OF TOWN HOMES BEING BUILT. MUCH LIKE YOU WOULD SEE IN A CITY PLACEMENT IT HAS BEEN A NAME BUT I CANNOT THINK OF WHAT IT IS CALLED TODAY. BY DOING THIS IT MAKES OF THE MINIMUM RESIDENTIAL USES WHICH IS A TREND THAT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ARE DOING. IT NOT ONLY GUARANTEES A MINIMUM OF 25 PERCENT. BUT WITHOUT PUTTING A CAP OR PUTTING IT AS A MINIMAL , WHAT THE RESEARCH HAS FOUND IS YOU END UP HAVING A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL TYPES. IT ALLOWS FOR A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL TYPES WITH 24 PERCENT AS A MINIMUM BUT NOW IT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE A CONDO , A TYPE OF APARTMENT BUILDING SCENARIO. IT ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL WHICH DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO TAKE PLACE ALL ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR. CANNOT HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR. YOU CAN HAVE OFFICE OR NONRESIDENTIAL USE MIXED WITH IT. ONE OF THE SIDE EFFECTS WE FOUND IS THAT BY PLACING A MINIMUM ON THAT RESIDENTIAL AS OPPOSED TO THE NONRESIDENTIAL ALLOWS FOR A TRUE MAKES. WHICH IS WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE OTHER THAN JUST HAVING A HIGH RISE WITH NOTHING BUT CONDOMINIUMS. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.EEP IN ON THE POINT I WAS GOING NEXT. HOW WE ESTABLISHED OUR DOWNTOWN AND WE HAVE DONE WELL. WE HAVE DONE WELL BUT I THINK THAT IS JAZZ IT UP A LITTLE BIT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBERS. THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER.CAN YOU GIVE US EXAMPLES OF CITIES THAT ALREADY HAVE THIS IN PLAC . YOU SAID THERE WERE SOME THAT EXISTED. CAN YOU TELL US. >> SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOKED UP WHEN WE WERE WRITING THIS. WE DID THIS IN TANDEM WITH WE WERE LOOKING AT TWEAKING THE LANGUAGE AND SEEING HOW IT WOULD WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE NOT ONLY LOOKED AT COMMUNITIES THAT HAD POPULATION THAT WAS SIMILAR TO OURS. BUT HAD A GRID PATTERN THAT WE WANT TO EMULATE.AND IT DOWNTOWN THAT WE WANT TO EMULATE. ONE OF THE CITIES I LOOKED AT BECAUSE I WORKED THERE FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS WAS THE CITY OF ORLANDO. IT HAS A STRONG URBAN CORE, MULTI- CORE, A TRAIN COMING THROUGH IT AND A BUS STATION. IT IS A TRUE URBAN CORE THAT I SEE AS ONE THAT IS GROWING AND GETTING BIGGER AND BETTER. WHAT OTHER THINGS THAT WE DID WAS LOOK AT THE CITY OF ORLANDO'S CODE. LOOK TO SEE HOW IT WAS WRITTEN AND HOW THEY TREATED THAT TRUE MIX. SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE LOOKED AT. >> I DID MADDOCK MAYOR, EVEN LOOK AT THE CITY OF DELRAY AND THEY WERE VERY INNOVATIVE. YOU CAN HAVE A STORAGE UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS RESIDENTIAL ON THE TOP. IT HAS A LOOK AND FEEL THAT YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW WAS STORAGE UNITS. ADDING THAT RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, IT PROVIDES FOR THAT THE WORK ENVIRONMENT THEY WANT TO SEE IN YOUR DOWNTOWN. SOME PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS WALKING WITH THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE OUT 24/7. >> IF I WAS A DEVELOPER AND I CAME INTO A COMMUNITY DOWNTOWN LIKE THIS AND SAW A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY, I WOULD THINK ABOUT WHAT I COULD GET THE MOST MONEY PER SQUARE FOOT. RESIDENTIAL MAY NOT BE FIRST THING I, TOO. I WOULD DEVELOP IT COMMERCIALLY IN THE BEST WAY THAT I COULD. BUT WE WENT IN THERE AND SAID, NO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 25 PERCENT. I THINK THAT IS THE BIG ISSUE. THAT DECIDES THE CHARACTER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE AND THEN. I DON'T THINK THERE IS A CHANCE AND I THINK COMMISSIONER [03:35:05] JOHNSON WAS GETTING TO THE POINT, I COULD GO IN THE AND ALMOST BUILT THIS THING TOTALLY COMMERCIAL. I DON'T THINK, FINANCIALLY, THAT WOULD PAY OFF THE WAY THAT YOU SHOULD. THE TENDENCY THERE IS TO BE COMMERCIAL. THIS TELLS THE DEVELOPER THAT YOU HAVE TO BUILD AT LEAST 25 PERCENT OF THAT COMPONENT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE ENVISION AS PART OF WHAT OUR COMMUNITY SHOULD BE ALL ABOUT. >> IF I MAY MATTER MAYOR. IT ALSO LENDS ITSELF TOWARD THAT 24/7 TYPE OF LIFE THAT PEOPLE LOOK FOR WHEN THEY GO INTO A DOWNTOWN. WHEN I WAS GROWING UP IN MIAMI, DOWNTOWN MIAMI, IT DIED AT 5:00. YOU GO THERE NOW AND IT IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT. IT IS THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT THAT REALLY CREATED THAT ENERGY. >> YES SIR, >> WHAT BROUGHT IT HOME TO ME WAS THING ABOUT OUR DOWNTOWN IS THE STRUCTURAL WE BUILT. THE PARKING GARAGE BUT GUESS WHAT IS NOT THERE? WE CLOSED UP SHOP FOR THE LAST HOWEVER MANY YEARS BECAUSE EVERYONE WENT HOME. THAT WAS THE END OF THE DAY AND WE HAVE 4065 PARKING SPACES SAYING, COME BACK AND SEE ME TOMORROW. THAT IS ALL IT IS. >> IT IS IF IT IS TO HAVE THE OLD BUSINESSES AND NEW BUSINESSES TO COME IN AND CATER TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE STAYING DOWNTOWN. >> PROCEED. >> ON FEBRUARY 11 THE PLANNING BOARD VIEWED THIS PETITION AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION. CITY COMMISSION ACTIONS ARE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED TAX AMENDMENT AS PRESENTED, TO APPROVE THE TAX AMENDMENT WITH CHANGES OR TO DENY THE PROPOSED TAX AMENDMENT. >> ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ANYONE WHO WANTS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, FORD. SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> MOTION AND SECOND? >> MR. ALEXANDER. >> YES.> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> YES. >> YES. >> YES MA'AM.> YES MA'AM. >> NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 20 Ã [g. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 20-009 changing the home occupation use in the Central Commercial (C-4) zoning district from a prohibited use to a conditional use; permitting mixed uses to be constructed as individual buildings or developments in the Central Commercial (C-4) zoning district, both vertically and horizontally; changing duplex, detached house, and townhouse uses in the Central Commercial (C-4) zoning district from prohibited uses to conditional uses; defining the utilization of home occupations located on parcels within the central business district (CBD) Future Land Use designation. FIRST READING] 009 AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES RELATED TO BASIC ZONING DISTRICTS, ALLOWED USES AND SUPPLEMENT TREE REGULATIONS. EXCUSE ME. CHANGING THE WHOLE OCCUPANCY USE IN THE CENTRALCOMMERCIAL . >>REPORTER: ZONING DISTRICT FROM PROHIBITED USED TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PERMITTING MIXED USES TO BE CONSTRUCTED AS INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS IN THE. >>REPORTER: ZONING DISTRICT. BOTH VERTICALLY AND HORIZONTALLY. CHANGING DUPLEX, DETACHED HOUSE AND HOUSE USES IN THE CENTRAL COMMERCIAL. >>REPORTER: ZONING DISTRICT APPROPRIATE USES TWO CONDITIONAL USES DEFINING. REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OF PUBLIC CONFLICT AND PROVIDING. THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> IS MA'AM. >> MADDOCK MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. THE SECOND ITEM BEFORE YOU IS THE IMPLEMENTING OF CITY CODE AMENDMENTS TO BOTH THE C4 ZONING DISTRICT AS IT RELATES TO THAT USED TABLE AND HOME OCCUPATIONS. THIS IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE LANGUAGE THAT WE ADDED TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL PROVIDE FOR DETACHED HOMES, DUPLEXES AND TOWNHOMES TO BE PERMITTED WHERE THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED WITHIN THE C4 ZONING DISTRICT.HE C4 IS THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE MAJORITY. THIS AMENDMENT WILL STRIKE THE WORD VERTICAL AND ADD DEVELOPMENTS THAT ALLOWED USES TABLE WHICH DESCRIBES MIXED USE. CHANGE THE HOME OCCUPATION USE IN C4 FROM PROHIBITED TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND CONFIRM THAT HOME OCCUPATIONS CANNOT BE RECOGNIZED AS A REQUIREMENT FOR MIXED-USE BUILDING OR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. SO SECTION 125187 WHICH IS OUR ALLOWED USES. PREVIOUSLY IT DID NOT ALLOW FOR A HOME OCCUPATIONS TO BE WITHIN THE C4 ZONING DISTRICTS. WE ARE ASKING IT TO BE CONSIDERED AS A CONDITIONAL USE WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT. ADDITIONALLY WE DESCRIBED A MIXED USE WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL TO JUST BE MIXED USE BUILDING. EXCUSE ME, IT ONLY ALLOW FOR VERTICAL MIXED USE BUILDINGS. WE ARE REQUESTING THAT VERTICAL BE ELIMINATED SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE FOR THE TYPE OF MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY SEEING. [03:40:02] YOU CAN PROVIDE EITHER A HORIZONTAL OR VERTICAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND TO ADD THE WORD DEVELOPMENT TO MORE CLEARLY STATE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IN A MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. ADDITIONALLY, THE HOUSING TYPES THAT WE ARE NOW REQUESTING BE CONSIDERED WITHIN THE C4 ZONING DISTRICT.S I STATED IS THE PRIMARY ZONING DISTRICT WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. OUR THREE ADDITIONAL TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL TYPES. DETACHED HOUSE, THE DUPLEX AND THE TOWNHOME. >> MATTER MAYOR. >> IS THERE. >> THE ONE I HAVE ONLINE IS PERMITTED USE AND NOT CONDITIONAL FOR THE TOP THREE. >> THAT WAS AN ERROR. IT IS CONDITIONAL USE HOW WE PRESENT IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND HOW WE ARE PRESENTING IT TO YOU TONIGHT. IT IS CORRECTED. THANK YOU FOR POINTING IT OUT. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU KEEP THOSE DOCUMENTS. >> ONLINE. I DID NOTICE THAT. >> IT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. THANK YOU. >> IN THE ORDINANCE IT DOES HAVE CONDITIONAL USE. ADDITIONALLY SECTION 125 Ã318 OUR HOME OCCUPATION SECTION OF THE CODE. WE ARE STATING THAT WE ARE ADDING ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT SAYS A HOME OCCUPATION MAY NOT BE UTILIZED TO MEET THE MIXED-USE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH BY OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.S WE PRESENT IT TO A FEW MOMENTS AGO. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND ON FEBRUARY 11 2020 THE PLANNING BOARD ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. CITY COMMISSION ACTIONS THIS EVENING WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED TAX THEM AS PRESENTED TO APPROVE THE TAX AMENDMENT WITH CHANGES OR TO DENY IT. >> WE ARE BOTH HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? HIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FOR A SINGLE ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN MOTION. >> I MEAN THAT THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL ROLE. >> YES. >> YES MA'AM. >> IS MA'AM. >> YES MA'AM. >> IS MA'AM. >> YES MA'AM. >> I THINK THE NEXT THREE ITEMS WILL BE DISCUSSED TOGETHER IN [h. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 20-011 seeking a Future Land Use Map Amendment for eight (8) properties generally located at or near 322 North 2nd Street from Industrial (I) to Central Business District (CBD) FIRST READING] [i. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 20-017 abandoning all City right-of-way passing through or lying within two parcels of land bound By A.E. Backus Avenue to the north, North Indian River Drive to the east, Avenue B to the south, and North 2nd Street to the west. FIRST READING] [j. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 20-018 abandoning a portion of the Avenue B right-of-way, bound by A.E. Backus Avenue to the north, North 2nd Street to the east, Avenue A to the south, and the FEC Railroad to the west. FIRST READING] ONE PRESENTATION AND AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PRESENTATION I WILL REPEAT ORDINANCE TITLE AND WE WILL OPEN UP THE HEARIN . >> PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE ON ANY OF THE THREE. >> PEOPLE DO THREE INDIVIDUAL PUBLIC HEARINGS. THESE ARE BASICALLY, IT IS ORDINANCE 20 ÃZERO WHAT ONE SEEKING A FUTURE LAND USE. 017, AND BENDING A RIGHT OF - WAY. AND ORDINANCE 20 Ã018 OF A PORTION OF THE AVENUE B RIGHT OF WAY BUT TO HAVE THAT RIGHT BRANDON?> YES. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> PROCEEDED. >> COULD EVEN MATTER MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT AND TO FUTURE USE OF AILMENTS. THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE REQUESTED THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF SEVERAL PARCELS KNOWN AS THE KING SITE IN 2018. IN DECEMBER 319 THE CITY AND OUT OF ON DEVELOPMENT ENTERED INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REZONING YOU SEE LATER AND THE IMPEDIMENTS TO ALLOW FOR A MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT. THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT IS FROM --IT PROVIDES FOR LAND USE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AND MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AS IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY CODE AND THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN.T DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WELFARE. IT IS WITHIN PROXIMITY TO KEY COMMERCIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL AND AMENITIES. THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. AS FOR THE TWO ABANDONMENTS. THE FIRST AMENDMENT CONCERNS A PORTION OF AVENUE B THAT IS BOUND BY AVENUE TO THE NORTH, NORTH SECOND STREET TO THE EAS , AVENUE A TO THE SOUTH AND THE EMBASSY WROTE TO THE WEST. THE AVENUE B RIGHT AWAY IS APPROXIMATE 65 FEET WIDE. ALONG WITH THIS AMENDMENT THE AUTHORITY IS PRESENT THAT RECORDING OF A 65 BY 35 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT THAT IS ON THE WESTERN END OF THE PROPERTY AS SHOWN ON THE EXHIBIT ON THE SCREEN. THE SECOND AMENDMENT CONTAINS VACATING AND ABANDONING ALL OPEN RUNAWAY PASSING THROUGH OR LYING WITHIN THE TWO PARCELS IDENTIFIED ON THE SCREEN. AS RECORDED IN BOTH BOOK 1 PAGE 89 IN THE RECORDS. THE ENVIRONMENT DOES, HOWEVER [03:45:09] NOT BEEN IN THE PORTION OF AVENUE B THAT IS CONTAINED WITHIN A PARCEL ID 2410 50300430002. IT IS APPROXIMATE 50 FEET IN WIDTH LYING BETWEEN NORTH SECOND STREET AND NORTH INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. THIS PORTION OF AVENUE A OR AVENUE B WILL REMAIN OPEN FOR PUBLIC USE. MORE SPECIFICALLY THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL TACKLE THE IMPEDIMENTS OF PINE STREET AND RIVER STREET THAT HAVE SINCE NOT BEEN ABANDONED BY THE CITY YET. >> THOSE ARE OLD NAMES. >> THOSE ARE OLD THINGS FROM 1888. >> FROM 1888, YES. >> THIS DEVELOPMENT IS WRITTEN IN SUCH THAT IT WILL ALSO OBTAIN ALL UNOPENED RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT THE CITY HAS STILL NOT YET ABANDONED. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 20 Ã017 WITH NO CONDITIONS AND STAFF IS RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 20 Ã018 WITH ONE CONDITION. THE RECORDING OF THE 65 FOOT BY 35 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT WITH ST. LUCIE OF THE CLERK OF. >> 90 DAYS AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THIS AMENDMENT BY THE CITY COMMISSION. POSSIBLE ACTIONS BY THE CITY COMMISSION ARE YOU CAN APPROVE THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT WITH NO CHANGES. AND THE PLANNING BOARD AND LOCAL AGENCY HAVE BOTH RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. YOU CAN APPROVE THE PROPOSALS WITH CHANGES OR YOU CAN DISAPPROVE THE PROPOSALS. I AM OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?> ONE SECTION THAT THEY ASKED FOR, 65 BY 55. IT LOOKS LIKE IT ABUTS OR IS IN THE FEC RIGHT AWAY. IS THAT ONE THIRD PARTY AGREEMENT IN GUARDS TO WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE EASEMENT? >> IS IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ONE THIRD PARTY AGREEMENT IF THAT IS ACCURATE. >> IT MIGHT ALREADY BE IN PLACE BECAUSE IT MIGHT ALREADY BE IN PLACE. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.OR, TO PROCEED WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING OF, YOU WANT TO READ, >> ORDINANCE 20 , LET ME SEE HERE. ZERO WHAT ONE WANTS WITH THE CITY COMMISSION FUTURE LAND USE MAP MOVEMENT FOR EIGHT PROPERTIES GENERALLY LOCATED AT OR NEAR 322 NORTH SECOND STREET FROM INDUSTRIAL PIKE TO CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT CBD. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCES IN CASE OF CONFLICT AND PROVIDE FOR EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COMPORT. SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> BOOK FOR THE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND CALL ROLE. >> YES. >> IS MA'AM. >> YES MA'AM. >> YES MA'AM. >> YES MA'AM. >> NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 20 DESK 017 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA ABANDONING ALSO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY'S PASSING THROUGH OR LIKE WITHIN TWO PARCELS OF LAND BOUND BY A ABOUT HIS AVENUE TO THE NORTH AND INDIANA DRIVE 'S AND AVENUE B TO THE SOUTH NORTH SECOND STREET TO THE WES. RUNNING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING TO THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCE OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, FORD. NOBODY I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. THERE IS A MOTION AND SECOND. CALL ROLE. >> YES.ES. >> YES. >> YES. >> YES. >> NEXT WE HAVE 20 DESK 0.8 AND ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION BY THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA EVERYTHING THE PORTION OF AVENUE B RIGHT AWAY TO THE NORTH SECOND STREET TO THE EAST, AVENUE A TO THE SOUTH AND THE FEC RAILROAD TO THE WEST. BEING APPROXIMATELY 65 FEET WIDE AND PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCES FOR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT. PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE AND THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COMPORT. SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENERGY IN MOTION. >> SECOND.> THAT IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> YES. >> YES. >> YES. >> YES. >> YES. >> OKAY. [k. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Ordinance 20-012 rezoning ten (10) properties generally located at or near 322 North 2nd Street from Light Industrial (I-1) for eight (8) parcels and Central Commercial (C-4) for two (2) parcels to Planned Development (PD). FIRST READING] NEXT WE HAVE A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 1220 Ã 012. [03:50:06] ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA CONCERNING 10 PROPERTIES GENERALLY LOCATED AT OR NEAR 322 NORTH SECOND STREET. FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PIKE ONE AND A PARCELS IN CENTRAL COMMERCIAL C4, FOR TWO PARCELS PLAN DEVELOPMENT RUNNING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT. AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ALL RIGHT. HAS THE ADVERTISING BEEN MET FOR THIS ITEM? >> ADVERTISING FOR THIS ITEM HAS BEEN MET. >> WE NEED TO FIND OUT IF ANY COMMISSIONER HAS EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM. >> HAVE YOU HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WITH REGARD? >> NO. >> NO. >> NOT SPECIFICALLY, NO MA'AM. >> NO, NOT ABOUT THIS ITEM, NO. >> NO MA'AM NOT SPECIFICALLY ALTHOUGH WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF INTERACTION WITH KING'S LANDING. I WILL NOW PROCEED WITH THE HEARING AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO TESTIFY OR SWEETEN ANY WITNESSES THAT MIGHT WANT TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS ITEM. >> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND BUT DO YOU SWEAR OR FROM TO TELL THE TRUTH, ALL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. >> I DO. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. YOU MAY PROCEED. >> THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE STAFF IS BOTH THE PRESENTER AND THE APPLICANT. ON THIS PROJECT. IT'S ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NOT MET THE SITUATION BEFORE. >> GOOD EVENING MATT MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COMMISSION. >>REPORTER: YOU TONIGHT IS THE ZONING ANALYST AMENDMENT FOR PROPERTIES GENERALLY LOCATED AT 322 NORTH SECOND STREET. JUST TO RECAP AGAIN, NOVEMBER 2018 THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ISSUED A REQUEST OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF CENTRAL OCEANS KNOWN AS THE KING PLANT EXCITEMENT IN DECEMBER 2019 THE CITY IN ALABAMA, INCORPORATED ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT. AS PART OF THAT, THE CITY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR REZONING AND AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS TO REZONE A PARCELS FROM ART ONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND TWO PARCELS FROM C4 CENTRAL COMMERCIAL, TO PLANT DEVELOPMENT WITH AN UNDERLYING ZONING OF AYE -- C4. THIS HAS A MASTER IN THE PLAN. THIS IS JUST A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN TO SHOW YOU WHAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND LET YOU KNOW THAT EACH PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT WILL GO THROUGH THE CITY'S DEVELOP REVIEW AND DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS BEFORE ANY CONSTRUCTION OR BUILDING PERMITS CAN COMMENCE. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE RENDERINGS THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROVIDED. STAFF IS COMING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.T DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WELFARE. IT IS WITHIN PROXIMITY TO KEY COMMERCIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL AMENITIES AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. 36 NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THIS PROPERTY. THREE NOTIFICATIONS WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR AND ITS NOTIFICATIONS WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY EMAILS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST EITHER. POSSIBLE ACTIONS BY THE CITY COMMISSION OR YOU CAN A PREAPPROVE THE MINUTE WITH NO CHANGES AND THIS IS COMING APPROVAL AND ON BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. YOU CAN APPROVE THE PROPOSAL WITH CHANGES OR DISAPPROVE THE REQUEST. I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THEY MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?NY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THIS IS APUBLIC HEARING AND ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COMPORT. SINCE I HAVE ONLY HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION . IS THERE A MOTION? >> MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL ROLE. >> YES. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> YES. >> YES. >> YES. >> YES. >> THAT INCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. [a. Approval and acceptance of the FPUA FY2021 Annual Budget and FY2020 Amended Budget.] >> HALLELUJAH. >> NEXT WE HAVE APPROVAL AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE FPU A 2021 ANNUAL BUDGET AND THE FY 20 -- 2020 AND AMENDED BUDGET. >> WILL, MR. TOPIC AND MS. MICAH. SORRY FOR THE LATE HOUR. WE HAD A LOT OF BUSINESS TO CONDUCT. WE TRIED TO DO IT AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE AND STILL DO THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS. >> WE UNDERSTAND. GOOD EVENING MAYOR HUDSON AND [03:55:04] CITY COMMISSIONERS. IT IS OUR PLEASURE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 AND AMENDED FOR 2020 FOR YOUR APPROVAL. GOING BACK TO MAY, FPU HELD A JOINT BUDGET WORKSHOP. DURING THAT WORKSHOP WE DID A COMPANY HAS A REVIEW OF THE BUDGET WHICH INCLUDES DETAILS OF THE MAJOR ONGOING CAPITAL PROJECTS. WITH MOST OF THOSE PROJECTS BEING MULTIYEAR PROJECTS.JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY THESE PROJECTS INCLUDED AMI, SYSTEM EXPANSION PROJECTS FOR GAS, WATER, WASTEWATER. WASTEWATER MADE MONEY, WATER MAINS R AND R, SUBSTATION TRANSFORMERREPLACEMENTS , STORM HARDENING, IMPROVEMENTS. ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS ARE INCLUDED IN THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN AND HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS TOP PRIORITIES DURING THE PLANNING SESSIONS. ALL THE PROJECTS ARE CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS. THE CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE FUNDED THROUGH FEES, CONTRIBUTIONS AND DRAWING DOWN ON OUR UNRESTRICTED APARTMENT INCORPORATING THESE PROJECTS INTO THE 21 BUDGET CONTINUES TO BE AN AGGRESSIVE PLAN THAT WE THINK WILL CONTRIBUTE TO EXPANDING OUR CUSTOMER BASE AND REVENUE STRUCTURE. THE BUDGET BOOK CONTAINS DETAILED INFORMATION ON FY 2020 ACHIEVEMENTS. AS THEY RELATE TO OUR PLAN. HOW DOES THIS PLAN FIT INTO THE BUDGET OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? WE PERFORMED AN ANALYSIS THAT WAS BASED ON SPENDING 50 PERCENT OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET OVER THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. IT INCLUDED INDEX ADJUSTED RATINGS AS WELL. THE RESULT OF THEANALYSIS BUT THIS WAS ONLY $8 MILLION IN UNRESTRICTED CASH AT THE END OF 2024 . BASED ON OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF 26 MILLION IN ADDITION TO PROJECTS TODAY THAT EQUATES TO 35 DAYS OF CASH AT THE END OF 2024 WHICH IS UNDER OUR BOND COMFORT RESEARCH AND A 45 DAYS. I SEE COMMISSIONER KRONE SMILING AND CRINGING AT THE SAME TIME. OBVIOUSLY THAT PLAN IS NOT WORKING. THE PLAN DOES IDENTIFY ALL POTENTIAL CAPITAL PROJECTS TO BE WORKED IN THE FUTURE. IN ALL LIKELIHOOD SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WILL BE PHASED IN OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. TO FIT THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS. THE CAPITAL COST FOR FY 2021 OUR BUDGET LITTLE BIT MORE THAN $22 MILLION. OUR HISTORY SUGGESTS THAT WE WILL SPEND BETWEEN $9 MILLION AND $13 MILLION WHICH IS WHAT MAKES THE BUDGET VIABLE. OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON FPU WAYS SPENDING PROBLEM. IN 2018 WE SPENT 3 MILLION DOLLARS MORE CAPITAL THAN WE DID IN 2017. IN 2019 WE SPENT A WEEK THE SAME AMOUNT AS WE DID IN 2018 WHICH IS $30 MILLION. WE ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT ABOUT $12 MILLION WE HAVE SPENT SO FAR THIS YEAR FOR SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXCEED THE $30 MILLION THAT E SPENT LAST YEAR. WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS. WE HAVE COMPLETED SEVERAL STEPS THAT WERE SUGGESTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT WE CAN SPEND MORE MONEY WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS THAT I JUST DISCUSSED. WHAT WE DID THERE IS WE HAVE INCREASED OUR STAFFING AND ENGINEERING AND ADDED ANOTHER UNIT FOR CONSTRUCTION WORK IN THE WATER WASTEWATER AREA WHICH IS ONE OF OUR KEY INITIATIVES. WE HAVE DEVELOPED AN ADDITIONAL CONSULTING ENGINEER. ON DOM INSIDE THERE ARE NO REMARKABLE ISSUES TO HIGHLIGHT. THE INCREASE IN THE BUDGET IS LESS THAN ONE PERCENT. IT INCLUDES INCREASES IN THE MEDICAL INSURANCE AND OTHER EMPLOYEE BENEFITS. COUPLE OTHER QUICK NOTES. THESE ARE ALL BUDGET NUMBERS. ALL EXPENDITURES OVER $50,000 REQUIRE OUR BOARD'S AUTHORIZATION. THE LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF, 19 ARE UNKNOWN AT THIS . IT WILL PROBABLY AFFECT OUR CASH COLLECTION PROJECTIONS. OUR CURRENT STAFFING IS AT 286 PEOPLE WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF THREE OVER LAST YEAR. WE ANTICIPATE THE ADDITION OF FOUR NEW POSITIONS IN 2021. BUT BEFORE WE FILL THOSE POSITIONS WE WILL TAKE A MUCH CLOSER LOOK AT THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE STILL BEING PHYSICALLY RESPONSIVE BASED ON TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT. THE REVENUE SECTION OF THE BUDGET IS NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ANY RATE CHANGES. WE PERFORMED A SUFFICIENCY ANALYSIS BY UTILITY AND FOUND THAT WATER AND NATURAL GAS ARE STILL RATE DEFICIENT. WE ARE EVALUATING A POTENTIAL RATE INCREASE FOR WATER AND [04:00:04] NATURAL GAS BY THE INDEX IN THE INDEX THIS YEAR IS 1.79 PERCENT. AS FOR THOSE TWO UTILITIES. THAT RATE CHANGE WE NEED TO BE APPROVED BY OUR BOARD IF WE DECIDE TO PROCEED. WITH THAT BRIEF INTRODUCTION I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO OUR FINANCIAL SERVICES STRUCTURE FOR MORE DETAILS. >> WELCOME. >> THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. GOOD EVENING. I AM PLEASED TO PRESENT TO YOU THE ANNUAL BUDGETS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED SEPTEMBER 30 23 ONE. AND THAT IS YEAR 2020. THIS BUDGET WAS PREPARED WITH STRATEGIC FOCUS AND MIND. ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE FUTURE PROSPECTS OF A MAINLAND WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY. IT IS THE PACK IN THE CURRENT BUDGET AND A FIVE-YEAR CIP. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON EXPANSION PROJECTS THAT HELP SUPPORT THE CURRENT AND FUTURE NEEDS OF THEIR CUSTOMERS IN THE CITY. CONTINUED BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, EXPANSION OF THE GUEST SERVICE TERRITORY AND DEVELOPING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A SMART CITY ARE ALL PART OF THE PLAN TO BRING NEW BUSINESSES TO FORT PIERCE. THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN DEVELOPED AS PART OF THIS BUDGET PROVIDES FOR RELIABILITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE MADE OVER TIME. WE ARE WORKING ON A MULTIYEAR STORM HARDENING PROGRAM TO IMPROVE OUR ELECTRIC SYSTEM RELIABILITY. STRENGTHENING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVES RELIABILITY TO OUR AGING WASTEWATER SYSTEM AND WITH THE CONTINUED WORK IN THE MAINLINING. IF UA AND ITS EMPLOYEES HAVE ALWAYS TAKEN PRIDE IN THE ORGANIZATION SUPPORTING OUR CUSTOMERS TO RELIABLE AND FRIENDLY SERVICE. WE LIVE WORK AND VOLUNTEER IN THE COMMUNITY TO PROMOTE A POSITIVE IMAGE 4 AT THE UA AS PART OF THE CITY. THE BUDGET IS FIRMLY AMENDED TWICE A YEAR. NOW AND LATER. THE CORRELATION OF FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR CAPITAL CAN BE FOUND ON PAGE 49 IN THE ANNUAL BUDGET. THE AMOUNT AVAILABLE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2020 IS A .3 MILLION AND 7.9 VOTED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021. ANY SHORTFALLS IN THE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WILL COME FROM OPERATING CASH OR SPENDING WILL BE SLOW. THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 PROJECTED REVENUES ARE RELATIVELY FLAT TO THE AMENDED 2020 LEVELS. A LOWER POWER COST ADJUSTMENT HAS RESIDENTIAL AND GENERAL SERVICE SALES SHOWING HIGHER ONLY TO BE OFFSET BY A REDUCTION IN CAPITAL CONTRIBUTIONS IN FISCAL YEAR 2021. THE $1 MILLION INCREASE IN THE 2021 OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE COST IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE INCREASED EMPLOYEE COUNT. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND DEPRECIATION EXPENSE. THIS GRAPH IS A RECOMMENDATION--REPRESENTATION OF THE TOTAL BUDGET. THIS INCLUDES ALL FUNDING SOURCES. THE COST OF PURCHASE POWER PROJECTED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 IS 41 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL BUDGET. OF THE TOTAL OWNER.THE COST OF PURCHASE FOR RESULTS NOT CONTROLLED BY A FEW UA. WE DO BUDGET IN A MANNER THAT ALLOWS FOR PUNCTUATION AND COSTS. WE ALWAYS HOPE TO COME IN UNDER BUDGET AND WE TYPICALLY DO. IN 2018 THE BUDGET CAUSE FOR THE PURCHASE POWER SHOWN IN RED WAS 50 MILLION OR 46 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL BUDGET. LOWER COST OF NATURAL GAS HAS FAVORABLY IMPACTED OUR COST OF PURCHASE POWER. EACH YEAR HAS BEEN TRENDING STEADILY AND WE ARE AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2020 BUDGET FOR PURCHASES RESELL TO 47.7 MILLION AND IN FISCAL YEAR 20 -- 21 WE ARE LORI COULD BUY ANOTHER 800,000 TO 46.9 MILLION. OUR CAPITAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 IS $500,000 LOWER THAN THE ORIGINAL FISCAL YEAR 2020. THE CARRYOVER AMOUNTS FROM FISCAL YEAR 19 ARE INCLUDED IN THE AMENDED 2020 BUDGET FOR CAPITAL IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE PROJECTS WILL BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE YEAR. [04:05:01] REVENUES BY SYSTEM OR IN A SLOW BUT STEADY INCREASE. FISCAL YEAR 19 THE TOTAL REVENUE SHOWN, SHOWED INCREASES FOR ALL SYSTEMS BUT REVENUE DUE TO RATE CHANGES THAT WERE IMPACTED THE ENTIRE FISCAL YEAR. IN FISCAL YEAR 2020 AMENDED AND THE FISCAL YEAR 2020 ORIGINAL ARE LOOKING LEVEL WITH >> BUDGET TRANSFERRED THIS TABLE PRESENTS THE RATE FROM THE ORIGINAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2018 THROUGH 23 ONE WITH CHANGES YEAR OVER YEAR AND THE CUMULATIVE CHANGE OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS. RATE FUNDED BUDGETS EXCLUDE NON-CASH EXPENSE ITEMS WITH REFUND CAPITAL IN 2019 INCLUDED SOME LARGER LIABILITY PROJECTS. THE INITIAL BUDGET FOR THE AMI WERE IN THERE FOR ABOUT 2 MILLION AND THE ISLAND WATER COMMISSION FACILITY EMERGENCY GENERATOR WAS 2.2 MILLION IN THAT YEAR. BOTH FISCAL YEAR 2020 AND 21 CAPITAL BUDGETS ARE DOWN TWO PERCENT BUT STILL INCLUDE PORTIONS OF THE MULTIYEAR LIABILITY PROJECTS. INCREASES IN RATE FUNDS FOR MEN OF 1.2 MILLION IS PROBABLY DUE TO THE INCREASE IN THE PERSONAL HEADCOUNT AND EMPLOYEE BENEFITS. PURCHASES FOR RESALE REFLECTS THE STEADY DECLINE IN THE ANTICIPATED COST OF OUR PURCHASE POWER. COMING IN AT -2 PERCENT. OUR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE BUDGET, THIS GRAPH COMPARES ACTUAL 11 EXPENSES TO THE ORIGINAL BUDGETS. WE CAN SEE IN THE TREND THAT OUR ACTUAL EXPERIENCE, EXPENSES ARE TYPICALLY LESS THAN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET PROJECTIONS. BY ABOUT FIVE PERCENT ON AVERAGE SINCE 2017. THE MAIN REASON THAT WE COME IN BELOW BUDGET RELATES TO THE COST OF PURCHASE FOR RESALE. THESE ARE BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THESE EXPENSES AND THEY ARE USUALLY PLEASED WHEN THE COST IS LOWER THAN ANTICIPATED. THIS IS THE BIGGEST LINE ITEM IN OUR BUDGET AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE SHORT IN THIS AREA.THE DISTRIBUTION TO THE CITY, THE DISSOLUTION TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE THE CALCULATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 ESTIMATES CAN BE FOUND ON PAGE 50 IN YOUR ANNUAL BUDGET FOR. IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2020 CALCULATE DISTRIBUTION ABLE IN FISCAL YEAR 21 IS ABOUT 6.4 MILLION. THIS IS 1.9 PERCENT HIGHER THAN THE DISTRIBUTION PAID IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2020. 74 PERCENT OF OUR OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS GOING TO BE THREE GREAT SPORT THAT RATES EFFICIENCY STUDY INDICATES ABOUT 50 PERCENT OF THE RATE FUNDED CAN'T BE SUSTAINED. IT IS EXPECTED AS IN PRIOR YEARS THAT ONLY A PORTION OF THE TOTAL CAPITAL BUDGET WILL BE SPENT. THE SPENDING IS LIMITED BY STAFFING, EMERGENCYPROJECTS AND UNANTICIPATED CHANGES IN SCHEDULING. IF NECESSARY , THEY WILL ELEVATE THE NEED TO USE OPERATING CASH TO COVER ANY SHORTFALLS. THESE BUDGETS WERE APPROVED BY RESOLUTION NUMBER UA 2027 SEVEN ON THE FORT PIERCE UTILITY BOARD WE ARE REQUESTING REVIEW AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 AND AMENDING THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 FORT PIERCE UTILITY AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I DO. OKAY. YOUR CAPITAL BUDGET AND I WOULD [04:10:03] LIKE TO HEAR THE WORDS RENEWALS AND REPLACEMENTS WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT FIXING THINGS, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY YEARS AGO. I AM SURE YOU WERE STILL WITH THE UTILITY AUTHORITY THAT CAME IN WITH ALL THESE PIPES AND PERCOLATED IRON IN THIS OR THAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WE WERE GIVEN A GUARANTEE THAT THE UTILITY AUTHORITY WAS ON A VERY AGGRESSIVE PLAN IN THEIR RENEWALS AND REPLACEMENTS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE STILL DOING? >> YES. WE HAVE A VERY AGGRESSIVE PLAN FOR FULL REPLACEMENT. WE ARE IN THE VERY BEGINNING STAGES OF SUBSTATION TRANSFORMER REPLACEMENTS BUT WE CONTINUE TO DO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WATER ARE IN ORDER. WE DO A LOT OF WASTEWATER LINING WHICH IS AT FULL FUNCTION. WE HAVE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE RECENTLY.WE RECENTLY GOT A $500,000 GRANT TO HELP OUT WITH THE WASTEWATER. WE ARE ANXIOUS TO SPEND THAT AND GET THAT PROJECT UP AND RUNNING. WE HAVE GOT OTHER GRANT APPLICATIONS OUT THERE THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH RELINING ADDITIONAL WASTEWATER LINES. SPECIFICALLY ON HUTCHISON ISLAND BECAUSE THAT IS CLOSE TO THE LAGOON. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN. WE ARE CONTINUING TO DO THAT. >> MAYBE THAT AGGRESSIVE ARE IN OUR PROGRAM COULD HAVE AVOIDED THE 16 INCH MAIN THAT BROKE THE OTHER DAY. [LAUGHTER] >> HE HAD TO BREAK IT UP. DIDN'T HE? >> AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME. >> WHEN IS A GOOD TIME FOR THAT? >> SCHEDULE IT NEXT TIME. >> FAR AWAY.NO, THAT WAS A CHEAP SHOT AND I AM SORRY. BUT I WILL SAY THAT OTHER THAN ONE LITTLE FLICKER, WHERE IT KILLED THE COMPUTER AND CAME BACK ON. THAT IS THE NLY IMPACT WE HAD ELECTRICALLY ON SOUTH HUTCHISON ISLAND DURING THE MORNING AROUND 10:00. SO GOOD JOB WITH THAT. THE AMI PROJECT, ARE WE PRETTY MUCH, WE ARE NOT DONE WITH THAT OBVIOUSLY. THAT THEY WILL BE GOING FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. ABOUT WHAT COMPLETION ARE WE IN PHASE 1? >> PHASE 1, WE HAVE NOT BROKEN DOWN THE PHASES. THE FIRST IS THE ADVANCED DEPLOYMENT PHASE. THAT WAS DONE PRIMARILY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKED PROPERLY AT THE EXTREMES OF OUR SYSTEMS. THE EXTREME OF OUR SYSTEMS ARE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HUTCHISON ISLAND. ALMOST TO THE MARTIN COUNTY LINE.ALSO FOR GAS ONLY DOWN TO REAL MORE. THOSE ARE THE EXTREMES OF OUR SYSTEMS. WE ARE SETTING THAT UP. I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE OPERATIONAL SOMETIME , SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER TIMEFRAME. WE ARE VERY CLOSE. THAT WOULD GIVE US THE FIRST SYSTEM ACCEPTANCE TEST AND THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE MUCH QUICKER. >> I WILL LEAVE AFTER THIS ONE FOR A MOMENT. I THOUGHT YOUR ESTIMATE FOR THE DISTRIBUTION WILL BE 6.4 OR SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. DID THAT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND IF THOSE NATURAL IMPACTS THAT MADE -- MAY AFFECT THE WAY A JEW TO THE EPIDEMIC AND COLLECTIONS. OR IS THIS JUST BASED ON LESTER'S INFORMATION? >> THE DISTRIBUTION IS QUICKLY THE ON REVENUES IN OUR PROJECTIONS FOR SALES OF REVENUE. THE ONLY IMPACT OF COLLECTINS WOULD BE ON OUR ABILITY TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THE BANK TO PAY IT OUT. IT IS BASED ON REVENUES AS THEY ARE BUILT. >> OKAY. REGARDLESS OF IF YOU DO NOT COLLECT ANOTHER TIME FOR THE REST OF THE GATE YOU WILL STILL OWE US THE MONEY. >> YOU SELL IT, WE WILL. >> YOU HEARD IT HERE. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTION? >> MATTER MAYOR. >> YES SIR, >> I APPRECIATE, I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT CAPITAL AND WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH THAT. I APPRECIATE THE FOCUS ON GETTING THE RENEWALS AND REPLACEMENTS AND CLIMBING. JUST TYPING THE SYSTEM UP ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN. I THINK YOU FOR THAT. THAT MESSAGE WAS A FEW YEARS AGO AND YOU HAVE CLEARED IT FOR ME. THE ONLY OTHER PARTS THAT I SEE THAT COULD BE A CHALLENGE FOR US IS WHAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER. THAT LIKE IN THE REVENUE STREA , MAYBE IT IS A YEAR FROM TODAY OR SIX MONTHS FROM TODAY, WE DO [04:15:01] NOT KNOW WITH THE CORONAVIRUS AND THE ECONOMY. HOPEFULLY, ONCE NOVEMBER PASSES WE WILL SEE A CHANGE. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHEN YOU PROJECT THE REVENUE ON THE ELECTRIC SIDE, WHAT ARE THE BIG FACTORS FOR THE UPTAKE AND THE PROJECTION?HAT KIND OF FACTORS DO YOU SEE?> RELATIVELY SMALL UPTICK. THOSE PROJECTIONS WERE MADE PRIOR TO COVID-19. >> OKAY. >> WE ARE NOT EXACTLY SURE YET. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU WE HAVE LOOKED AT OUR USAGEOVER THE LAST MARCH . THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH FLAT. PEOPLE ARE STILL USING ELECTRICITY. >> YOU HAVE SEEN ADJUSTMENTS PROBABLY, WE HAD A VERY HOT JULY. IT FELT LIKE A MORE HOT JULY THAN NORMAL. DID YOU SEE AN UPTICK IN JUNE AND JULY AS FAR AS REVENUES COMING IN ON THE ELECTRIC SIDE? >> A LITTLE BIT. WE ARE STARTING TO CATCH UP A LITTLE BIT ON COLLECTIONS.>> OUTSIDE OF COLLECTIONS. JUST METER SPINNING. >> YES IT HAS BEEN BRUTALLY HOT. WE HAVE SEEN AN UPTICK THERE. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS AND THEN COMMISSIONER CORONA. >> ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT YOU MENTIONED IN REGARDS TO BREAK. HE KEPT MAKING REFERENCE TO PCA. AS IF IT WERE THE DICTATING FACTOR WITH REGARDS TO AN INCREASE IN RATES. ARE THERE OTHER VARIABLES THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT. I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT DURING THESE CRITICAL TIMES. SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR, A CUTBACK IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.OR ANY OTHER FACTORS BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM A RATE INCREASE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. >> I THINK WE ARE IN PRETTY GOOD POSITION TO DO THAT. WE DID LURE THE PCA AN EXTRA COUPLE OF DOLLARS AT THE BEGINNING OF MAY AND THAT WAS TO HELP OUT WITH THE COVID-19 SITUATION. BASED ON THE PROJECTIONS WE WILL HAVE TO GET THAT TWO DOLLARS BACK IN THE NOT-TOO-DISTANT FUTURE. I WOULD SAY AT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE IT IS. >> DECEMBER. >> EVEN SO OUR RATES WILL BE THE LOWEST THEY HAVE BEEN IN 15 YEARS. AS LONG AS THE CRITICAL ISSUE IS ALWAYS THE PRICE OF NATURAL GAS. I WAS GOING TO SAY HOW GOOD IT WAS BUT I LOOKED AT IT TODAY IN AN ATTEMPT UP TO TWO DOLLARS WHICH HOPEFULLY IS ONLY TEMPORARY. OF COURSE, TWO DOLLARS IS ACTUALLY SPECTACULAR. WE HAVE GOTTEN SPOILED THE LAST THREE MONTHS DOWN IN THE 160 AND 170 AND 180 RANGE. THAT IS REALLY THE KEY ISSUE HERE. AS LONG AS THE PRICEOF NATURAL GAS STAYS LOW OUR RATES WOULD BE IN GOOD SHAPE . >> THAT IS THE NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU IN LIGHT OF NATURAL GAS BEING AT A ALL TIME LOW. DO YOU THINK THAT PLACES, THE CUSTOMER/ CITIZEN THAT OWNS THE UTILITY AUTHORITY ARE BENEFITING IN TERMS OF A LOWER COST IN RATES AS IT RELATES TO ELECTRIC. >> IT DOES AND THEY HAVE BEEN SEEING THAT BENEFIT SINCE LAST YEAR WHEN THE PCA WAS AT -5. NATE IT IS AT -13. HE IS MISSING THE DECREASE OVER THE LAST YEAR. >> DO YOU FEEL THAT IS SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH IN LIGHT OF THE DROP IN FUEL? >> YES, I DO. >> ALL RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER. >> JUST THINK ABOUT IT OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS THE PCA WENT FROM $54 DOWN TO $-13 AND 90 DOES A GOOD JOB. THAT IS NOT MY QUESTION. I WAS GOING TO LET IT SLIDE BUT NOW I AM NOT. WE WERE AT 108 DAYS, I THINK AT ONE TIME. NOT TOO LONG AGO. >> WE WERE IN THAT BALLPARK. YES. NOW WITH YOUR EXPENDITURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT YOU ARE DOING DOWN BELOW THE BOND COVENANT AGREEMENT FOR 45 DAYS. [04:20:02] >> WE ARE NOT DIPPING DOWN BELOW THAT. I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT PROJECTING OUT THROUGH 20 TO FOUR.> ALL RIGHT. >> YOU HAVE BEEN MISERABLE OVER THERE. >> I AM THINKING, OH MY GOD, HERE WE GO. >> YOU CAN GO AHEAD BUT I THINK WE WERE AT, WE WERE AT 93 DAYS OF CASH AFTER WE MADE THE DISTRIBUTION IN LATE MAY. I SUSPECT THAT WE CREPT UP CLOSER TO 100 DAYS BUT I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER BASED ON -- >> COLLECTIONS ARE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND BUT WE WILL PROBABLY CATCH UP AS PEOPLE START TO GET UP ON THAT PAYMENT PLANS AND FUNDS START COMING BACK IN. >> I REMEMBER OF 30 DAYS OF CASH AND WHAT HAPPENED TO US THEN. IT GOT REALLY SCARED. >> I ASSUME WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO98 TO 100 DAYS OF CASH . YOU TALKED ABOUT TO DEFICIENT UTILITIES WATER AND NATURAL GAS. BASICALLY ELECTRIC UTILITY IS SUPPORTING THAT. >> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE. MAYBE TO A VERY MINOR EXTENT. IT HAS BEEN MAKING AN EFFORT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH OF THE UTILITIES IS SELF-SUFFICIENT. THAT IS WHY WE ARE RAISING OR THAT IS WHAT WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO RAISE ELECTRIC OR WATER AND NATURAL GAS BY THE PSC INDEX WHICH IS ONLY 1.79.> MY POINT IS THAT HAS TO BE SUPPORTED BY SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE UTILITY ITSELF. I THINK IT IS COMING FROM A LOGIC. >> THANK YOU. AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU HAVE THOSE UTILITIES -- THOSE UTILITY CUSTOMERS THAT ARE ONLY ELECTRIC AND THEY ARE HELPING TO SUPPORT THE UTILITY AND THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE BENEFIT. I KNOW IT IS MINOR BUT I SUPPORT THE FACT THAT EVERY UTILITY SHOULD STAND ON ITS OWN. WE HAVE MULTIPLE USERS THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.HE RECORD THAT AND YOU ARE ABLE TO HANDLE IT AND I AM THINKING YOU FOR HANDLING IT. YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT THAT WAY. CHRIS WE TOOK A LOOK AT THAT AND TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT, WE WILL NOT COME BACK AND RAISE THE RATES ANOTHER THREE OR THREE AND HALF PERCENT. WE ARE CATCHING UP SLOWLY.>> IT MEANS YOU HAVE TO BE ON THAT EVERY YEAR AND RAISE IT INCREMENTALLY IN THE ARRANGEMENT. >> THE GOOD NEWS IS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, HAS BECOME SO SUFFICIENT. THAT WILL BE THE SUBJECT OF THE JOINT MEETING ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE WATER RECLAMATION. >> NOW THAT YOU HAVE THAT UTILITY SELF-SUFFICIENT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GETTING RID OF IT, RIGHT? >> GET RID OF PART OF IT. >> PART OF IT WHICH IS A GREAT DISCUSSION BY THE WAY. I DO APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU AND BO SPENT, I THINK WITH ALL OF US GOING THROUGH THAT. IT IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT UTILITY AUTHORITY PUSHING THE FACT THAT WE WILL MORE THAN LIKELY BE REGIONALIZED IN AT LEAST ONE OF OUR UTILITIES, IN MY LIFETIME AND I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THAT. >> I THINK THAT WAS THE KEY TAKE AWA FOR YOU THERE. THE FACT THAT WE HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THE OVERALL. ONCE WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO JUST WASTEWATER PLANT. I THINK EVERYONE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO IN THE RIGHT WAY TO GET IT DONE.> I DO APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THAT. >> MOST OF THE CREDIT GOES TO BO HUTCHINSON AND THOSE ARE THE TWO GUYS THAT REALLY GOT TOGETHER AND PUSHED M AND HOWARD AND MARK TO GET A MOVE ON. WE ARE ANXIOUS TO HAVE THAT MEETING. WE TEMPORALLY POSTPONED IT BECAUSE IT IS A KIND OF A MEETING, IT IS LIKE A STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING. AS A RESULT YOU REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION INTERFACE AND THAT IS A DIFFICULT MEETING TO HAVE. AS AS SOON AS WE CAN GET ENOUGH ROOM AND HAVE THE MEETING WITH IN PERSON, WE WILL HAVE IT. I THINK HE WILL BE, I THINK YOU WILL BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED. HOW FAR WE HAVE COME IN TERMS OF THE CONCEPT AND HOW FAR WE HAVE COME IN THE CONCEPT OF A GOVERNING BOARD. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GET THE [04:25:06] IDEA THAT WE ULTIMATELY HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS BUT THE $139 MILLION PRICE TAG IS STILL UP THERE. WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS. THAT IS MORE THAN WHAT I CAN SAY WE DON'T OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. >> WE HAVE EVERYTHING FIGURED OUT EXCEPT PEOPLE WRITE THE CHECK. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> WHAT I AM ENCOURAGED ABOUT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE NATURAL GAS RAN TO THE ISLAND. I KNOW THERE IS AN ROI FACTOR THERE BUT WE WILL HAVE A CONDUIT TO GET THE WASTEWATER PLANTS MOVED. MAYBE WE HAVE THREE OF THEM THAT WE COULD USE A NEW YOU HAVE TO SEND IT BACK. I AM JUST TALKING OUT LOUD THE NATURAL GAS GUY IS COMING. HE IS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE. >> TRUST ME I WOULD LOVE TO SEND NATURAL GAS TO THE ISLAND. THE PROBLEM IS THE COST OF SENDING IT ACROSS THE RIVER IS PROBABLY IN EXCESS OF $68 MILLION. -- SIX TWO $8 MILLION. >> JUST PEOPLE. JUST US. >> PLANTING THE SEED FOR THE WESTERN PENINSULA. THIS IS YOUR FIRST MAJOR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER. >> THAT IS RIGHT. THAT IS A GOOD POINT. >> WE NEED TO START TALKING ABOUT IT, OTHERWISE WE WILL TALK ABOUT UNTIL THE DAY OF AND WONDER WHAT WE DIDN'T. >> IT IS AN EXPENSIVE PROCESS. IN TERMS OF EXPANSION WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER AREAS AS WELL. WERE LOOKING AND IT WILL GIVE US A CHANCE TO LEAVE THE SYSTEM. IT IS IMPORTANT TO US. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALWAYS BEEN A DIFFICULT PROBLEM FOR US WITH GAS IS THAT JUST BECAUSE GAS IS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT IT. PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT THEY HAVE TO MAKE. WE WILL BRING FOR GAS UP TO THE METER. IT WON'T COST THEM ANYTHING BUT THAT YOU DO THE PIPING IN THE HOUSE OR YOU HAVE TO BUY GAS APPLIANCES. THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM. IT IS A PROBLEM NOT ONLY IN THE POOR NEIGHBORHOODS, IT IS A PROBLEM IN ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS. REGARDLESS IF IT IS A WELL-TO-DO NEIGHBORHOOD. EVEN THOSE FOLKS DON'T NATURALLY WANT TO RUN THE PIPING. THE FIGURE WE HAVE ELECTRIC APPLIANCES AND THEY WORK WELL. WE HAVE A TOUGH TIME WITH INCREASING THE PENETRATION NUMBERS, INFILL NUMBERS AND NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE PUT GASPED. >> THAT IS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. UNLESS THEY ARE PLANNING ON DOING A GENERATOR OR A HOT WATER HEATER IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. HOPEFULLY OVER TIME WE CAN HELP WITH THOSE NUMBERS. ANOTHER THING I WANT TO ASK YOU SINCE WATER IS A SUBJECT OF ALMOST THERE. WHAT IS OUR UNACCOUNTED FOR WATER LOSS. WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS?IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE I HAVE ASKED BUT I DON'T THINK I HAVE EVER ASKED YOU FACE-TO-FACE. HERE IS WHAT I WILL TALK ABOUT. IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, I WILL NOT COUNT ON THE FIRE DISTRICT BUT THE FIRE DISTRICT OPENS UP HYDRATES SOMETIMES AND THEY UTILIZE WATER FOR PRACTICE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I THINK THEY GAVE THE UA AND NUMBER EVERY YEAR. HOWEVER HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OR WHATEVER IT IS. IT IS NOT JUST THE PINPOINT ON THE RADAR OR IS IT BIGGER? >> IT IS A PINPOINT ON THE RADAR BUT THERE IS ANOTHER READER THAT WE USE FOR FLUSHING THE SYSTEM. I THINK IT IS IN THE 3 TO 4 PERCENT RANGE BY AND GET BACK TO YOU WITH EXACT NUMBERS. >> NOT TO BELABOR THE FIRE DISTRICT BUT IT IS THE LOOPING OF MAINS. WHEN WE COME IN AND THE PLANNING OF TICKETS ROAD. TO BE ABLE TO THE INTIMATE WAY. TO GIVE YOU A BETTER RELIABLE SYSTEM. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PRETTY BIG FLUSH AT THE END OF JENKINS ROAD AND IT WAS A 12 INCH WATER MAIN. TO GET THE CHLORINE CONTENT HIGH ENOUGH YET TO FLUSH A LOT OF WATER. WE ARE PRODUCING A SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT HURT ITSELF. >> WE ARE DOING LOOPING PROJECTS LIKE THAT A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE DID A LOOPING PROJECT ON SELVAGE ROADBETWEEN MIDWAY . >> THAT IS RIGHT. >> WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THEM FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT YOU MENTIONED. FLUSHING. >> IT IS AMAZING HOW THE OTHER ENTITIES COME INTO PLAY. WE TALKED ABOUT WATER THAT IS [04:30:11] ALL YOU TALK ABOUT. WE TALK ABOUT ROAD NETWORKS AND LOOPING. >> YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT IT, RIGHT? >> I AM SURE THAT YOU ARE AWARE THAT THE COUNTY HAS AN EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM. THEY HAVE A LOT OF AREAS THAT THEY HAVE TO FLUSH. THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON FLUSHING WATER. I AM NOT IN THAT DEPARTMENT. >> BECAUSE OF THE WAY EXPANDED. THEY DO HAVE LONG DEAD ENDS THAT THEY HAVE TO FLUSH OUT. >> IS ANYTHING IN THE CAPITAL PLAN. LAST QUESTION. ABOUT LONGWOOD. THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF 25TH STREET AND VIRGINIA AVENUE. GOING BACK TO THE EAST. MAYBE ON THE FRONT AND THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION, AGE OLD DISCUSSION OF DEVELOPING FRONTAGE OF VIRGINIA AVENUE. THE COUNTY OWNED LANDSBERG AS PART OF OUR WILL FEEL. ARE THERE ANY WELLS BEING DECOMMISSIONED OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE THAT WE ARE TAKING OUT OF SERVICE AS PART OF OUR CAPITAL. A THREE-MONTH DEVELOPMENT OF TREES FROM 53RD E. >> I DON'T BELIEVE ANY ARE BEING RETIRED THERE. >> THOSE ARE ALL THAT SHALLOW WATER WELLS. >> I KNOW WHEN THEY DID IF THEY EXPLAINED IT TO THE NORTH ALONG THE CANAL. STILL IT IS RUNNING FOR >> IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS, WE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GET PRESSURE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> HOSPITAL IS IN THE BUDGET. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> YES. I'M HERE. >> OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO? >> JUST DUE TO THE [INAUDIBLE] I WON'T INTERJECT. >> DO YOU HAVE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION? >> BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, MR. T, YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE I BELIEVE YOU SAID THE EXACT WORDS WERE BRUTALLY HOT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, ARE YOU STILL CONTEMPLATING CUTOFFS AND TO WHAT EXTENT OF THOSE CUTOFFS? >> WELL, AS YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE, BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE HAD A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, YOU HAD ASKED THAT WE PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, AND WE DID, AND THE BOARD PUT OFF DISCONNECTIONS UNTIL SEPTEMBER THE FIFTH. I THINK YOU'LL, IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO WATCH OUR MEETING TOMORROW, WE'VE COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATE PLAN WHICH I THINK IS GOING TO MAKE HAVE BEEN VERY HAPPY. >> OKAY. >> IF I WANT TO SPILL THE BEANS YET. >> OUR BOARD HASN'T HEARD IT YET. >> I THINK WE'VE AT LEAST TEMPORARILY SOLVED THE PROBLEM SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE WHOLESALE DISCONNECTIONS SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR TOO, IF ANY CALLS WE CAN DO JUST THAT WITH REGARDS TO HAVING MASSIVE NUMBER OF CUTOFFS, ESPECIALLY RIGHT DURING THESE CRITICAL TIMES, ANY LEVEL OF CUTOFFS, BECAUSE IT IS, IT'S VERY HOT RIGHT NOW BRUTALLY HOT AS YOU SAY. >> I RECOGNIZE THAT AND AS I SAY, I THINK YOU'LL BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISEED WHEN YOU HEAR OUR PLAN TOMORROW. >> I'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. I WON'T BUST IT NOW. >> COMMISSIONER. >> THANKS, MAYOR. I MOVE APPROVAL AND WAIVE THE 30 APPROVAL TIME. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND, AND CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> ALEXANDER. >> YES. >> MR. JOHNS. >> YES, IMAM. YOU GET TO GO HOME AT A REASONABLE HOUR. [b. Submittal of applications to serve on the Planning Board.] >> THANK YOU. >> IT'S THE MIDDLE OF APPLICATIONS TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING BOARD THIS, ITEM WILL [c. Designate a voting delegate from among the Board for Florida League of Cities for the annual virtual meeting on August 14, 2020.] COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR A VOTE, AND NEXT WE HAVE DESIGNATED VOTING DELEGATE FOR FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES ANNUAL [04:35:05] MEETING AUGUST 14, 2020. >> KMEERP ALEXANDER WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO THAT OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT? >> DO WHAT? >> BEING A VOTING DELEGATE FOR THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES. IT'S GOING TO BE A VIRTUAL MEETING. >> YEAH. YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO TAKE THE LEAD. >> DID HE SAY ME? >> YES. >> OKAY. HE VOLUNTEERED YOU. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> ALEXANDER. >> YES. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> COMMISSIONER PEREZ. >>> COMMISSIONER SAYS, MAYOR [14. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.] HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. >> IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THE COMMENT PERIOD. ALL RIGHTY. I DO SEE SOMEBODY. >> GOOD EVENING FORT PIERCE CITY COMMISSION. >> STATE YOUR NAME AND YES. >> 902 HICKORY STREET. >> WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. IN VIEW OF THE GLOBAL CRISIS AND NATIONALLY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, TODAY I'M ADDRESSING THE UNJUST CRIMES AGAINST BLACK MALES, THE NEED FOR BLACK MALES AND ALL MEMBERS OF SOCIETY, ANY AGE AND RACE TO COME TO THE DEFENSE AND USE EVERY BIT OF RIGHTS THAT OUR CONSTITUTION HAVE ALREADY GRANTED. WHICH INCLUDES THE USE OF FIREARMS. WHEN YOU FILE IT IS NECESSARY TO DEFEND, DEPENDING UPON THE SITUATION, IF THERE IS A CLEAR OPPORTUNITY TO USE YOUR FIREARM TO STOP ANY PERSON WHO IS CLEARLY COMMITTING A CRIME. EXAMPLE, THE HATE CRIME, VIOLATION OR ASSAULT, POLICE BRUTALITY, A PERSON WHO HAS BEEN ALREADY BEEN APPREHENDED, EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE BEING USED AGAINST HIM, THAT IS CLEARLY A CRIME. IF NECESSARY TO DEFEND YOURSELF, A FAMILY MEMBER, COWORKER OR FELLOW STUDENT, STAND YOUR GROUND LAW IS NOT INTENDED TO LEGALLY KILL BLACKS. PLEASE, MY FELLOW CITIZENS, PLEASE MY FELLOW AFRICAN-AMERICAN FELLOW CITIZENS, STAND YOUR GROUND LAW IS NOT INTENDED TO LEGALLY KILL BLACKS. BLACK MALES AND ANY CITIZENS CAN STAND THEIR GROUND IF DEEMED NECESSARY. FOR THOSE WHO DESIRE, AND WITH YOUR RIGHTS UNDER THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, IF YOUR CHOICE IS TO POSSESS A FIREARM, I AM COMMITTING TO $75 FOR TWO INDIVIDUAL FIREARMS CLASSES. LIKE ANY PROGRAMS THAT HAS FUNDING VABLS TO CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WHO FIT THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS TO HELP SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF BLACK MALES, THE FIRST $75 WILL BE FOR ANY BLACK MALE AGE 21-30 YEARS OLD. THE OTHER $75 WILL BE FOR ANY CITIZEN. I HAVE SPOKEN AND VISITED WITH SEVERAL FIREARMS INSTRUCTORS AND SCHOOLS AND I AM COMFORTABLE THAT $75 WILL COVER THE BASIC FIREARMS CLASS NEEDED. FOR MORE INFORMATION OR INPUT FREDERICK L. JACKSON. THANK YOU SIR. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? [15. COMMENTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER] SEEING NONE WE WILL MOVE ON. >> COMMENTS FROM THE CITY COMMISSIONERS. >> BEFORE YOU ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA THERE WERE THREE ITEMS AN REPORTS FOR YOUR REVIEW THERE. WAS THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, ALSO THE CORONAVIRUS UPDATE AND THE PURCHASE ORDER REPORT. SO, THAT IS JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION AND I JUST ALSO WANT TO AT THIS TIME IF OUR STAFF [04:40:02] DOESN'T HEAR IT ENOUGH I'M JUST GOING TO STAY OUR STAFF IS PACING. OUR STAFF CONTINUES TO BIG BUTT ON A DAILY BASIS AND THROUGHOUT THE EMERGENCY SITUATION THAT BEGAN BACK IN MARCH, WE HAVE CONTINUED AND WE HAD ANOTHER EMERGENCY CROP UP THIS PAST WEEKEND, AND OUR STAFF ROSE TO THE OCCASION ONCE AGAIN, AND I CAN'T MORE PROUD OF THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT WORK FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, BECAUSE THEY DO A HELL OF A JOB FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND REPRESENT THIS COMMISSION VERY WELL. >> I AGREE. IS THAT IT? >> YES, MA'AM. >> YES, I AGREE WITH YOU. NOT ON DO THEY MULTI-TASK BUT THEY TRIPLE TASK. REGULAR JOB, PANDEMIC, HURRICANE. RIGHT? AND THEY HAD TO DO IT ALL. SO GOOD JOB. YES, SIR. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE WASN'T COMMENT ON THE PO'S IN THE APPROVAL IN THE TO UPDATE PARKING STUDIES SO GLAD TO SEE THAT'S MOVING FORWARD AND LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT A GOOD DEAL ON UPDATING THAT REPORT AND GETTING SOME CURRENT NUMBERS OF WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE AND ANOTHER COMMITTEE WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO HASHING THAT OVER. GOOD STUFF. THANK YOU. >> MR. SWEENEY. >> MAYOR, NOTHING. THANK YOU. [16. COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION] >> MISS COX DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON. >> COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA YOU WANT TO START? >> I'M GOING TO KEEP IT REALLY BRIEF. VERY HAPPY THAT WE GOT THROUGH DODGED A BULLET ON THIS ONE WITH ISIAS. >> ISIAS. >> SORRY. >> I HAD IT DOWN EARLIER IN THE EVENING. I'M SORRY. AT NIGHT, MY SPANISH ACCENT LEAVES ME. SO, BUT ANYWAY, WE WERE FORTUNATE. IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE COMMUNITY GET TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN. I DON'T LIKE WHEN IT THESE THINGS HAVE SUCH A BUILD UP AND THEN THERE'S NOT A LOT GOING ON. SOMETIMES FOLKS THINK THAT THIS IS THE NEW WAY STORMS HAPPEN IN FORT PIERCE. >> THEY WON'T PAY ATTENTION. >> IT'S NOT, FOR THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 50 YEARS, THERE IS NOT VERY TYPICAL. ONE THING I DID POINT OUT TO THE CITY MANAGER, I'LL SHARE WITH YOU, I WAS RUNNING EARLIER THE MORNING JUST BEFORE THE STORM HIT, REAL ESTATE SIGNS EVENT SIGNS EVEN CITY FORT PIERCE SIGNS POLITICAL SIGNS INFORMATIONAL SIGNS WERE STILL UP IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND I WAS THINKING WHAT A BETTER PROCEED GENETIC TIME THAN THESE THINGS WE USED TO CALL THEM SNIPE SIGNS BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT SOME TYPE OF PROTOCOL AND YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE POLITICAL SIGNS DURING THIS HURRICANE SEASON BECAUSE THE TIMING IS JUST PERFECT. >> THE PRIMARY IS IN AUGUST. >> BUT I DON'T REALLY HAVE A SUGGESTION HOW TO HANDLE IT, BECAUSE -- >> MOVE THE PRIMARY. >> I REALLY THINK THAT FOLKS NEED TO GET OUT THERE. I'M SURE IF IT'S ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THEY'LL MOVE THEM OFF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY'LL END UP STUCK ON THEIR CAR WIND SHIELDS OR WHATEVER. THERE'S AN ABUNDANCE OF THESE THINGS OUT THERE. I SAW COMING BACK HOME WERE TWO CONDITIONAL USES THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT HAD OUT THERE SO WE ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM ON THAT THING WE SHOULD COME ONE A POLICY IF WE DON'T HAVE ONE WHEN IT'S CONSIDERED EMERGENCY SITUATION WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN IMPENDING STORM THAT WE PUT INTO AN EFFECT WHERE WE COLLECT THE SIGNS AND DO WHATEVER WE'VE GOT TO DO. JUST THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMISSION. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> ON THAT SAME ISSUE, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE, AND I'M GUILTY OF IT MYSELF IN GOING WITH THIS CHANGE. BUT, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY NOW, AND I CAN SEE IT NOW AND I DIDN'T SEE IT THEN AND WE DID IT SO SAVE A FEW DOLLARS, CITY ELECTIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT, AND THIS BODY CHANGED THE ELECTION TIME TO GO ALONG WITH THE ELECTIONS OF THE PRIMARY AND THE GENERAL ELECTION TO SAVE A FEW HOURS, BUT NOW WHEN I LOOK BACK AT IT, CITY ELECTIONS DESERVE A LOT OF ATTENTION SEPARATE AND APART BY THEMSELVES AND WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT IT THAT WAY WHEN I LOOK AT IT NOW, [04:45:02] BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, CITY GOVERNMENT PROBABLY IMPACTS INDIVIDUALS MORE SO THAN STATE AND FEDERAL, SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS WHERE I LOOK BACK NOW AND SAY WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT IT LIKE IT WAS BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE SO MUCH IN TERMS OF ALL THESE SIGNS AND ALL THIS ATTENTION GWYN WITH SO MANY OTHER DIFFERENT ISSUES AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS AN ELECTION GOING ON, AND THAT'S WHY OUR FORE FATHERS PUT THIS ELECTION SEPARATE AN APART FROM ANY OTHER BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND IT DESERVES IN MY OPINION AT LEAST THAT SINGLE HANDED ATTENTION. I MENTIONED EARLIER REGARDING THE BODY CAMERA POLICY AND WHY I WAS NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE IN REVIEWING THE BODY CAMERA POLICY AND PROCEDURES, THERE'S A SECTION 83.130 OF THOSE BODY CAMERAS PROCEDURES BY A POLICE DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY ON PAGE 10 OF THAT POLICY, WHERE IT PROVIDES FOR BODY WORN CAMERA MONTHLY COMPLIANCE REPORTS, AND BEFORE GOING ON WITH THAT DISCUSSION, I'M MAKING A REQUEST OF OUR CITY MANAGER HERE REQUESTING THAT HE PROVIDE ME WITH THE LAST TWO YEARS OF THOSE BODY WORN CAMERA MONTHLY COMPLIANCE REPORTS THEMSELVES, SO THAT I CAN BETTER ANALYZE THE NEED AND PROPOSAL AND THAT'S WHERE I AM WITH THAT. I'M REQUESTING THOSE. IT'S A POLICY. HOPEFULLY THEY'RE THERE, AND I MEAN JUST TO SEE WHAT IF IN FACT THERE HAS BEEN COMPLIANCE AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THAT INFORMATION SO THAT I CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH MAKING A PROPOSAL WITH REGARDS TO AN ORDINANCE. SO, AS I INDICATED EARLIER, YOU WILL SEE IT AGAIN AND ONCE I GET THAT INFORMATION, I CAN MAKE A BETTER PLAN WITH REGARDS TO THAT. ALSO, I SAID EARLIER, THAT OUR CITY HAS BEEN IN MY OPINION CALLED OUT NATIONALLY, NATIONWIDE, WHERE WE HAVE BEEN PLACED ON THE MAP OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, AND WE HAD INDIVIDUALS TALKING TO US DURING OUR CONFERENCE AGENDA THAT SPOKE ABOUT THE NEGATIVE STIGMA AND TRYING TO REMOVE NEGATIVE STIGMA THAT WE HAVE IN FORT PIERCE, AND ONE OF THE WORST STIGMAS THAT YOU COULD HAVE IS WHERE INDIVIDUALS ARE PRACTICING OR GOING OUT COMMITTING SUCH HEINOUS DEMONSTRATIONS AND DOING IT IN A MANNER THAT'S DEGRADING TO NOT ON AMERICANS BUT A HUMAN BEING WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THOSE FOUR DOGS ATTACKING THIS INDIVIDUAL, AND I'M ANXIOUS TO FIND OUT WHO THAT WAS WEARING THE JERSEY, AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT REPRESENTED REGARDING MR. CAKAEPERNICK REGARDING HIM TAKING A KNEE WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO THE ISSUES OF OUR FLAG AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I DON'T KNOW THE MAN PERSONALLY BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS FOR SUCH HEINOUS ACTS TO TAKE PLACE IN OUR CITY WITH A BUILDING THAT HAS FORT PIERCE ON IT, NAVY SEALS IS JUST TOTALLY -- IT'S JUST HURTING BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT I SAW, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT WERE DEALT WITH BACK IN THE 40S AND THE 50S, AND WE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE THAT DIED AS A RESULT OF FIGHTING FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND FOR INDIVIDUALS TO FEEL THAT THEY CAN COME IN OUR CITY OR BE [04:50:09] A PART OF OUR CITY IF THEY THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS AN HAVE SUCH A DEMONSTRATION THAT, REALLY, REALLY SCARES ME THAT THEY WOULD FEEL JUST THAT COMFORTABLE TO DO SO AT THE MAGNITUDE THAT THEY DID AND PUBLICLY DO IT, NOT IN THE PRIVATE SETTING, BUT UNDER THE AUSPICES OF AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS FUNDED, AND THIS IS WHAT REALLY BOTHERS ME. IT'S FUNDED FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND BY OUR TAXPAYERS' MONEY. AND IF WE SIT HERE AND DO NOT INQUIRE OR DO NOT FOLLOW UP AND SEND A MESSAGE TO THE COUNTY AS WELL AS THAT ORGANIZATION, THE NAVY SEALS THAT THAT TYPE OF BEHAVIOR WILL NOT BE TOLERATED, THEN SILENCE IS JUST AS BAD AS THE PERPETRATION OF WHAT HAPPENED, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE SILENCE IS NOT AN OPTION. DURING THESE CRITICAL TIMES IN THESE DAYS, WHEN WE HAVE SO MUCH GOING ON WITH "BLACK LIVES MATTER" WHERE THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH ATTENTION DRAWN TO THESE BEHAVIORS AND PRACTICES THAT AGAIN, I THOUGHT HAD LEFT US BACK IN THE 50S AND 60S BACK TO HAUNT US ALL OVER AGAIN IN THE YEAR 2020, AND WE SIT HERE AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT, I AM NOT GOING TO REMAIN OR SIT SILENT WHILE IT LAPS IN MY COMMUNITY UNDER MY WATCH. I WOULD SUBMIT TO EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU THAT IF YOU ARE IN FACT TAKING, I HOPE, THIS SERIOUS IN TERMS OF WHAT I'VE SEEN, THAT YOU JOIN ME IN MY EFFORTS, AND IF THAT MEANS CUTTING OFF THE FUNDING OF THAT ORGANIZATION, WHICH WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SOME DEGREE TO AT LEAST SEND A RESOLUTION AND A LETTER FROM OUR MAYOR THAT THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR WOULD NOT BE TOLERATED, THAT THE FUNDING IS CUT OFF, THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO STOP THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR. I'VE LEARNED THROUGH THE YEARS. YOU CUT OFF THE MONEY TREE. AND THE MONEY TREE HAS BRANCHES, AND IT BEARS FRUITS, AND I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CITIZENS OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY, AS WELL AS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WOULD CONDONE WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN PLACED ON NATIONAL NEWS, WASHINGTON, NEW YORK, POSTS ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND WE CAN'T JUST SIT HERE AND ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN AND DO NOTHING. WHAT I SUBMIT TO YOU IS THAT IF I DON'T HAVE YOU JOINING ME, I WILL DO LIKE I HAVE ALWAYS DONE, AND THAT IS STEP OUT ON MY OWN BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE EVERYBODY, BUT I WILL DO WHAT I CAN DO. I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK INTO THIS MATTER. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY MANAGER AS FAR AS THE FUNDING OF THE NAVY SEALS, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH HOW AND WHAT THE FUNDS ARE AND HOW THEY RECEIVE THOSE FUNDS, SIR? >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS AS FAR AS THAT ORGANIZATION NO, I DO NOT HAVE THOSE SPECIFIC NUMBERS BUT I'LL BE HAPPY THE RESEARCH THAT INFORMATION. >> NOT SO MUCH THE NUMBERS BUT ARE THEY RECEIVING FUNDS FROM THE CDC? >> TDC? >> TDC. >> I BELIEVE THEY HAVE IN THE PAST. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE AT THIS TIME. I KNOW THE TDC HAS FUNDED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS IN A ROW FOR THE UDTC MUSEUM BUT AS FAR AS THEIR CURRENT ALLOCATION CAN I NOT SPEAK TO THAT BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO DIG THAT UP. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER YOU'RE THE BOARD MEMBER. >> I'M ANSWERING Y'ALL YES, YES, THEY ARE. >> OKAY. >> AND I APPRECIATE THAT WHAT YOU SAID BECAUSE THAT IN AND OF ITSELF WARRANTS SOME ATTENTION, [04:55:03] SOMETHING DONE ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THAT'S TAXPAYER'S MONEY. SO, I'M LOOKING FOR THIS COMMISSION TO LOOK INTO THIS MATTER AND SEND A MESSAGE OUT TO THE COUNTY, BECAUSE AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, IT'S ON THE OUTER SKIRTS OF FORT PIERCE AND USING WHAT COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER JUST INDICATED TO US FUNDS THAT ARE COLLECTED IN THE FORM OF TAXES, AND IF THEY ARE GOING TO CONDUCT THEMSELVES IN THE MANNER THAT THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO DO BY WHICH I HAVE SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION, ALL DAY TODAY, THEN THERE'S A MESSAGE WE NEED TO SEND THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TOLERATED. SO THAT'S THE POSITION THAT I TAKE. AGAIN, I WOULD HOPE WOULD YOU JOIN ME IN MY EFFORT BUT IF NOT, YOU WANT TO RESUME AND CONDUCT THINGS AS IF IT'S JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL AND ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, HEY, THAT'S YOUR CALL, BUT I FOR ONE AM GOING TO DO ALL I CAN WHILE I CAN TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND STOP IT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> YES. FIRST, I JUST WANT TO THANK MY GOD FOR THAT HURRICANE BEING ABLE TO STAY AWAY FROM FORT PIERCE, AND I JUST TRULY BELIEVE IT'S BECAUSE MY COMMUNITY AND MY CONSTITUENTS, MY PEERS, MY FELLOW CITIZENS, WE DO A WHOLE LOT OF PRAYING AND THANK GOD THAT THAT HURRICANE DIDN'T COME. IT COULD HAVE TAKEN FIVE MINUTES AND STEPPED THROUGH FORT PIERCE, BUT I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, IT'S A LOT OF PRAYING GOING ON IN FORT PIERCE, AND BELIEVE ME, PRAYERS WORK AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW MR. CITIZEN, THAT I AM GOING TO BE RIGHT O SIDE BY SIDE WITH YO ON THIS MATTER AND BELIEVE ME I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS NONSENSE. SO WE ARE DOING SO WELL. WE TRY IN THIS COMMUNITY TO GROW. EVERY TEN FEET WE TAKE FORWARD WE HAVE TO TAKE 11 BACK BECAUSE OF FOOLISHNESS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO A- >>. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD STAFF FOR THE RESPONSE, PREPARATION, I APPLAUD OUR WHOLE COUNTY FOR BEING READY TO GO, THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH A HURRICANE AND THE PANDEMIC? I THINK FPO HAD THAT ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO SO I APPLAUD OUR STAFF FOR BEING PREPARED, AND I THINK IT'S THROUGH THE LEADERSHIP AND THIS COMMISSION THAT WE'VE SET OURSELVES UP TO BE IN A GOOD POSITION ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS AND I JUST THANK THEM FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK. YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD MR. MIMS WHEN YOU SAID IT AND YOU'RE RIGHT. THEY WORK TIRELESSLY EVERY DAY AND THEY DON'T GIVE UP ON THE PRIZE. NOT THAT THERE IS A PRICES BUT THEY SAID I'M GOING TO WORK AND GET MY JOB DONE AND THAT'S THE PRIZE AND IT'S A JOB WELL DONE SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING SO I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. SO WE DID A LOT OF GOOD STUFF TONIGHT. WE MOVED ALONG KINGS LANDING FOR ALL THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO THINK THAT KINGS LANDING SOMEHOW FELL OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, IT DID NOT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF'S HARD WORK ON THAT AND MAKING THAT HAPPEN, AND SO WE GOT A LOT ACCOMPLISHED, AND I THINK THAT IF PETERSON ROAD GOES FROM HARTMAN TO JENKINS AND WE GET THAT DONE, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO END UP BEING A GREAT REALLYLISHMENT, AND I PERSONALLY AM GLAD LENARS IS BACK AND GOING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO, AND MR. MIMS, YOU WILL SHARE WITH US WHATEVER YOU -- I WANT TO FIND OUT FACTUALLY WHAT TULSI HAPPENING WITH THE NAVY THE FUNDING. IT'S THROUGH THE TDC I THINK, AND I THINK THAT NAVY SEALS WHO ARE A FEDERAL BRANCH OF THE NAVY ARE INVESTIGATING THIS THEMSELVES. THEY ARE INVESTIGATING THIS INKS DENT SO WE ALREADY HAVE A FEDERAL AGENCY LOOKING INTO IT AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE DETAILS [05:00:02] OF THAT AND I THINK WE CAN TAKE THOSE FACTS AND PUT THEM TOGETHER AND SEE IF WE PLAY A PART IN ANY KIND OF WAY TO BE ABLE TO SAY BECAUSE THE ACTUAL VISUAL, I AGREE WITH YOU IS UNACCEPTABLE AND I JUST WANT TO GET SOME FACTS THAT'S ALL AND SINCE I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT TODAY WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FACTS. SO WITH THAT I'D SAY EVERYBODY SHOULD MOVE OUT OF THE * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.