Sep 14, 2020 City Commission Conference Agenda

[1. Call to Order]

[2. Pledge of Allegiance]

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: IS MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 14, 2020. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. (PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE)

[3. Roll Call]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> (ROLL CALL). >> ARE THOUGHT I HEARD HIM, BUT

[a. A presentation by the South Florida Water Management District to propose a year-round irrigation ordinance. The District is requesting local governments to review their existing irrigation ordinance and codes for consistency with the District's Year-round Landscaping Irrigation Conservation Measures Rule, Chapter 40E-24, Florida Administrative Code.]

CHAPTER 40 Ã24. >> WE HAVE OUR MANAGER PEGGY WHO WILL INTRODUCE OUR REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER DISTRICT THIS

MORNING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD MORNING.

>> ON THE PHONE WE HAVE MR. ROBERT -- LANDERS STRUCK. AND WITH US IN CHAMBERS IS KATHY LAMARTINE ELBOWS WITH THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. WE WANT TO ADOPT A YEAR-ROUND WATER ORDINANCE. THE RECOMMENDING THAT WE AMEND THE ORDINANCES TO ADOPT YEAR-ROUND RESTRICTIONS THAT DO NOT RELY ON A DROUGHT SITUATION. WITHOUT I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

I AM NOT THE SPECIALIST ON THIS SO WE HAVE ROBERT AND HE IS -- I'M ASSUMING HIS HOME. ROBERT,

ARE YOU ON THE PHONE? >> I AM. CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME

CLEARLY? >>MAYOR HUDSON: WE CAN. STATE

YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> I MARTINI.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU. PROCEED, ROBERT.

>> THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR ACCOMMODATING THE DISTANCE PRESENTATION. WE ARE TRYING TO PLAY IT SAFE. WE ARE KEEPING OUR KIDS HOME PAST PAST SEPTEMBER 21, OPTIONAL OPEN DATE. I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSIONS FLEXIBILITY. I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE GOVERNING BOARDS INITIATIVE TO HAVE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ADOPT A YEAR-ROUND WORK ASIAN ORDINANCE. I WILL CALL OUT NEXT SLIDE. EACH SLIDE IS NUMBERS OF ANYONE FROM THE COMMISSION HAS A QUESTION, WE CAN REFER TO THE NUMBERS IN THE LOWER RIGHT-HAND CORNER. SLIDE 2, PLEASE.

THIS IS MEANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE, THE DISTRICT, HAVE DEMOGRAPHERS AND WE HAVE PROJECTIONS FOR SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT 16 COUNTY POPULATION GROWTH. AS WE LOOK FORWARD, WE ARE STILL EXPECTING PERSONS TO BE COMING TO THE STATE OVER THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. EACH PERSON THAT COMES WILL BRING A NEW DEMAND FOR WATER. THIS GOES BEYOND JUST PUT THE WATER USE IN THE HOME IS. THIS GOES TO EACH NEW RESTAURANT THAT OPENS UP AS MORE MORE PEOPLE, AND EACH NEW MOVIE THEATER AND BOWLING ALLEY AND ALL THE REST.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IN 2008 THEY CREATED A COMPREHENSIVE WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAM FOR ALL OF SOUTH FLORIDA. IT HAS THREE AREAS WHAT WOULD LIKE TO IMPLEMENT WATER CONSERVATION MEASURES. THEY ARE VOLUNTARY INCENTIVE-BASED ACTIONS, REGULATORY INITIATIVES AND THEN EDUCATION AND OUTREACH INITIATIVES.

WE WANT TO CREATE WE SHOULD MAINTAIN A YEAR-ROUND CONSERVATION ETHIC.

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PLEASE. >> MONOLAYER?

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES. >> THIS IS TOM CORONA. I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE GROWTH OF SOUTH FLORIDA OVER THE NEXT 10 OR 15 YEARS. AS IT IS RIGHT NOW THERE IS A GIANT MIGRATION TO FLORIDA FROM THE NORTHERN STATES DUE TO THE PANDEMIC. WAS THAT ANTICIPATED WHEN THE SLIDE IN THIS STATISTIC.

>> NO. >> SO THIS IS GOING TO.

>> IT WILL BE -- IT COULD BE A GREATER IMPACT TO OUR WATER SYSTEMS?

>> YES. >> AM NOT QUALIFIED TO KNOW HOW THE PANDEMIC -- WILL REMAIN, BUT AS LONG AS IT IS -- WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE MOVING

DOWN HERE. >> I HEARD A NUMBER OF A THOUSAND PEOPLE A DAY MOVING TO FLORIDA. I AM JUST TAKEN BACK BY IT. BUT I HAVE TALKED TO FRIENDS AND FAMILY IN THE CHICAGO AREA AND THEY ARE PACKING IT UP AND COMING SOUTH.

I DON'T KNOW, ONCE YOU MAKE THAT MOVE, IF IT IS GOING TO BE TEMPORARY. I WOULD ASSUME IT'S GOING TO BE LONG TERM BENEFITS LONG-TERM, WE'VE GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN YOU STATED.

>> I WOULD AGREE -- WE HAVE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME THAT THE POPULATION HERE IS GROWING. I THINK IT'S GENERALLY BEGINNING TO BE RECOGNIZED THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A VACATION IN A RETIREMENT PLACE. THE FAMILIES CAN COME DOWN HERE AND HAVE A NICE WAY OF LIFE. AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT A LOT OF THE DRAW HAS BECOME.

>> THANK YOU. SLIDE FOUR, PLEASE.

>> WE ARE -- DISCUSSING CHAPTER 40 E-24, IT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2010. AND THE IDEA IS THAT WE ARE TARGETING THE LARGEST AREA OF URBAN WATER USE. AND IT'S ESTIMATED THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF CITATIONS IF YOU -- LOOK THROUGH THE WATER EFFICIENCY LITERATURE THAT MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF UTILITY WATER IS PUSHED TO IRRIGATE LAWNS. THAT'S JUST FOR YOU TO THE WATER. OF COURSE, WE HAVE A LOT OF WELLS AND OTHER PERMIT HOLDERS WHO ARE USING WATER TO IRRIGATE LAWN SPACE AS WELL. SO THIS WAS PUT INTO PLACE JUDGMENT WHEN IT WAS PUT INTO

PLACE, (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS). >> HAVE OCAL THEM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: EXCUSE ME, ROBERT. EXCUSE US.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. WE ARE HAVING A PRESENTATION BY SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

>> YES. I COULDN'T GET ON. >>MAYOR HUDSON:

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, ROBERT.

>> THANK YOU. >> SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS SLIDE, AND THAT IS THAT THIS IS DISCONNECTED SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED YOUR INTERTWINED THIS WATER SHORTAGE. WATER SHORTAGES A TEMPORARY MEASURE THAT IS PUT INTO PLACE DURING DROUGHT CONDITIONS AND THEN IT IS LIFTED. THIS IS A PERMANENT RESTRICTION THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE EVERYWHERE IN THE DISTRICT. ALL WATER USES -- ALL WATER USERS SHOULD BE COMPLIANT WITH THIS RULE ALREADY. IT'S MANDATORY. IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS IN EVERYONE'S MIND.

THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE WATER SHORTAGE. THAT WOULD BE CHAPTER 40 E 21. THE WATER SHORTAGE IS TEMPORARY. THIS IS PERMANENT AND YEAR-ROUND. NEXT SLIDE.

>> SO WE LOOK AT WHAT THE MEASURES RELATED TO THIS, WERE GOING TO CALL IT YEAR-ROUND LAW. SO IT BASICALLY CREATES A FRAMEWORK WHICH FOR CONSISTENT IMPLEMENTATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF OUR RESOURCES. THE IDEA IS TO LIMIT IRRIGATION SO THAT IT'S

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THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DOES MAKE YOUR IRRIGATION SHOULD BE SUPPLEMENTAL. YOUR LAWN IS NOT DEPENDENT JUST ON IRRIGATION. IT'S IRRIGATION PLUS RAINFALL. WE ARE TO GET 52 INCHES OF RAIN A YEAR HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA. SO THIS IS JUST BRINGING THINGS DOWN TO WHERE THEY SHOULD ALREADY BE. MOST PEOPLE RUN THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEMS TWO AND THREE TIMES IF NEEDED. AND THAT GOES TO THE THIRD BULLET POINT WHICH IS WE ARE TRYING TO CURTAIL THE WASTEFUL USE OF LAWN IRRIGATION THAT WAS IN THE DISTRICT.

ST. JOHN'S, AND SOUTHWEST FLORIDA MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ALREADY HAVE THESE TYPES OF RULES IN PLACE. THEY HAVE DONE SIMILAR INITIATIVES WHERE THEY HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO HAVE THEM ADOPT LOCAL CODES THAT ARE CONSISTENT. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT ST. LUCIE COUNTY IS LEANING TOWARD ADOPTING A TWO-DAY ORDINANCE. LAST WEEK, WE RECEIVED A DRAFT ORDINANCE FROM ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND REVIEWED AND FOUND IT TO BE FANTASTIC. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP THE COMMISSIONER KEEPS IN MIND, THAT THE COUNTY IS LEANING TOWARD ADOPTING A TWO-DAY CODE ORDINANCE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ROBERT, WHAT -- TELL ME WHAT THE TODAY ORDINANCES?

>> LET'S GO TO THE . (LAUGHING) WHY NOT?

>> (LAUGHING). >> SO, HERE IS SORT OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF IT. LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION -- THAT SHOULD BE VERY CLEAR. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT LIMITING LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ALL WATER SOURCES FALL UNDER THIS RULE. THE SINGLE EXCEPTION OF RECLAIMED WATER. WHETHER YOU'RE GETTING YOUR WATER FROM A UTILITY OR FROM A WELL THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY, A PRIVATE WELL OR CANAL OR WHATEVER, IT ALL FALLS UNDER THIS RULE. THE SINGLE EXCEPTION IS RECLAIMED WATER. THE RULE LIMITS IRRIGATION TO TWO DAYS PER WEEK BUT THERE WAS ONE THIRD ÃMAKE A THREE DAY OPTION PUT INTO THE ROLE FOR CERTAIN COUNTIES FOR SPECIFIC REASONS, EXCUSE ME -- WHERE DISTRIBUTION DESIGN MAKES IT INADEQUATE FOR CERTAIN UTILITIES. THIS WAS SOMETHING FOR THE OLDER UTILITIES. IT WASN'T SET UP AS EFFICIENTLY AS THE DESIGNS THAT WE HAVE NOW.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER?

>> YES. I KNOW I'M HEARING YOU SAY TWO DAYS OR WEEK. BUT HOW LONG CAN YOU IRRIGATE YOUR

LAWNS PER DAY? >> OKAY.

>> YOU ARE -- PERMITTED TO IRRIGATE ANY TIME OUTSIDE OF THIS BLACKOUT WINDOW. SO BASICALLY, IF IT IS FROM 10 AM TO 4 PM, THE RESTRICTIONS ARE IN PLACE. THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT IS WHEN THE HIGHEST EVAPORATION POTENTIAL IS THERE. IT'S THE HOTTEST TIME OF THE DAY. SO IF YOU ARE IRRIGATING AND THAT BLACKOUT WINDOW, IF IT'S HOT, IF IT'S REALLY HOT, SOME OF IT WON'T EVEN HIT THE GROUND. IF IT'S IN SMALL DROPLETS SOMEONE EVEN HIT THE GROUND A LOT WHEN THEY HIT THE GROUND OR HIT THE FLAT SERVICES, THEY'RE GOING TO EVAPORATE BEFORE THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE FOR THEM TO LOOK INTO THE SOIL. SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF HOURS IN THE DAY TO PUT DOWN THE RECOMMENDED THREE-QUARTER INCH IN AN IRRIGATION EVENT. THERE WERE ALSO POSITIONS IN THE ROLE FOR NEW PLANTINGS. SO IF YOU HAVE IRRIGATION THERE ARE PROVISIONS TO ALLOW YOU TO IRRIGATE 60 -- AND THEN FROM DAY 31 IT MAY BE REDUCES DOWN TO FOUR DAYS PER WEEK. AND THEN AFTER THAT YOUR OWN THE ROLE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE WITH THE TODAY SCHEDULE. -- DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR.

>> YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE?

>> THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS THE GRAPHIC THAT WE HAVE ON OUR WEB PAGE. YOU CAN SEE THE 10 AM TO 4 PM, THE LITTLE CLOCK SYMBOL UP THERE. IN THE BASICALLY, IF YOU ARE

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SO THIS BRINGS US TO 2020. AS I STATED EARLIER, THE PLAN WAS PUT INTO PLACE IN 2010. WE ARE A DECADE INTO THIS. AND RECENTLY OUR GOVERNING BOARD JUST ASKED US WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS? HAVE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ADOPTED THIS AS WE HAD ENVISIONED WHEN WE DO THIS

UP? >> AND WE LOOKED INTO IT AND IT TURNS OUT THAT NO, UNFORTUNATELY MOST OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE NOT ADOPTED THIS. NOW SOME OF THE -- ADVANTAGES OF HAVING A LOCAL ADOPTION OF THE CODE IS THAT IT CREATES A NICE EVEN PLAYING FIELD FOR EVERYONE. IT'S RECOGNIZABLE ANYWHERE YOU GO.

THE RESIDENT WILL KNOW OKAY. IT'S TWO DAYS PER WEEK. IT'S HELPFUL WITH MESSAGING AND ADOPTION OF THE ROLE, GETTING THE RESIDENCE ACCUSTOMED TO IT AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH IT.

FROM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT STAND WERE HOPING THE PARTNERSHIPS CAN HELP US TO KEEP OUR RESOURCES FOR THE LONG-TERM. THIS IS PART OF THE BIGGER MASTER PLAN. WE'LL GET TO WHAT THE VISION OF THIS LOCAL ADOPTION. WE WERE HOPEFUL THAT WE COULD HAVE -- IT IS WRITTEN INTO THE -- THE ROLE THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE ENCOURAGED TO TAKE THIS ON. AND THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS IT SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE DISTRICT STAFF ALONE TO IMPLEMENT THIS OVER 16 COUNTIES WITH TWO QUARTER MILLION PEOPLE IN THE DISTRICT. WE JUST DON'T HAVE BUDGETING MORE STAFF FOR THAT. SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR OUR LOCAL PARTNERS TO HELP US.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE SO AGAIN PART OF OUR INITIATIVE, STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO CONTACT ULTIMATES ABILITIES AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND ENCOURAGE DONE TO ADOPTED. ALSO TO THAT EFFORT WE HAVE CROSSED A MODEL ORDINANCE AND A MODEL CODE. SO ESSENTIALLY, ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO DO IS PUT THEIR NAME AT THE TOP.

IT'S PLUG-AND-PLAY AND READY TO GO. AND THIS IS FOR THE ORDINANCE AND FOR THE CODE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD APPEAR IN THE CODE. WE POST THIS ON HER WEBPAGE AND IF YOU WENT TO SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT THERE'S A TAB AT THE TOP DOING BUSINESS WITH US. AND YOU WOULD FIND A LOCAL GOVERNMENT MODEL ORDINANCES AND CODES.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD CONSERVATION STAFF ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP YOU YOU ORDINANCES ONCE THEY CHOOSE TO DRAFT THEM.

THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. HERE ARE THE THREE ELEMENTS OF THE YEAR-ROUND ORDINANCE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. THE REASON THAT I WOULD LIKE TO -- I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS SLIDE IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST SAY OKAY, WE REFERENCE 40-E-24. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IT'S -- YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENCE, FIRST OF ALL, BUT ALSO IT HAS ITEMS IN THERE THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THE DISTRICT AND THERE ARE A FEW OPTIONAL ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE SPECIFIED SUCH AS PICKING THE TODAY OPTION. SO THIS IS -- IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO REFERENCE A ROLE. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOSTLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF RESIDENTS IS THAT THE ORDINANCE AND CODE CONTAINED THESE THREE THINGS. -- APPLICABLE FOR ME AS A RESIDENT

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THE SECOND ELEMENT IS TO HAVE A PROVISION THAT OUTLINES THE ENFORCEMENT. IT SHOULD SAY -- AND NOT -- EACH LOCAL GOVERNMENT DEFINES THEIR LOCAL CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS DIFFERENTLY. AND SOMETIMES THE CODES INCLUDE A LINE THAT SAYS ANYONE THAT THE COMMISSION DESIGNATES FOR THIS PURPOSE. SO THAT PROVISION SHOULD BE THERE. THE ENFORCEMENT PROVISION. AND THEN FINALLY -- A VARIANCE PROVISION. IT'LL ALLOW FOR ALTERNATE SCHEDULE NOT A SPECIFIC DAY. THERE'S A CHURCH OR SYNAGOGUE AND HAPPENED TO BE ON AN ADDRESS WHERE THEIR DAY OF WORSHIP FALLS ON IRRIGATION DAY, THAT MAY NOT BE DESIRABLE WHEN YOU'RE HAVING PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY ON THEIR ONE BIG BUSIEST DAY.

IN THAT CASE THEY COULD SAY DO YOU MIND IF WE -- WILL ONLY IRRIGATE TWO DAYS A WEEK BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AWAY FROM SATURDAY TO SUNDAY OR SUNDAY TO SATURDAY, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

SO THE DAYS AND HOURS ALLOWED AS EXCEPTIONS, THE ENFORCEMENT PROVISION AND THEN THE VARIANCE PROVISION. ALL OF THESE ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE MODERN ORDINANCE THAT WE DRAFTED.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? BEFORE WE MOVE FROM THERE, -- THE ENFORCEMENT -- DO THEY EXPECT FOR OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO ENFORCE THESE RULES AND RAGS?

>> YES, SIR. THERE IS A WAY THAT WE CAN DO IT OTHERWISE. WE DON'T HAVE STAFF TO DO THIS.

>> MOST CITIES DON'T HAVE ENOUGH IN OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT IS BARE TO THE BONE NOW. SO YOU PUT THIS ON THEIR SHOULDERS AND EXPECT THEM TO BE THE POLICING ON THIS?

>> OKAY. SO THE WAY THAT IT ACTUALLY PLAYS OUT IN THE REAL WORLD IS THAT NEIGHBORS WILL END UP HELPING AS PART OF THE ENFORCEMENT BRIGADE, IF YOU WILL. I THINK OUR RESIDENTS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESOURCE AND ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS THAN MOST PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO

THINK. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT STILL, MY CODE ENFORCEMENT, THEY HAVE THEIR HANDS FULL NOW. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WERE TRYING TO -- MY CITY. I'M FINE WITH EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAY, BUT I JUST -- I HAVE A HARD TIME PUTTING THAT ON THE SHOULDERS OF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT.

>> I THINK THE OTHER KEY TO REMEMBER IS THAT AN EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN MITIGATES THE NEED FOR THIS AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING THAT I THINK OUR RESIDENTS ARE ALREADY RESOURCE CONSCIOUS IN MANY CASES. THEY JUST DON'T KNOW THE RULES. SO WITH THE SUPPORT AND BACKING OF A GOOD EDUCATION COMPONENT, IT MITIGATES THE NEED FOR ENFORCEMENT.

>> I UNDERSTAND. I JUST HAD TO GIVE MY TWO CENTS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER SESSIONS?

>> NOW, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT SHE JUST SAID IS THE KEY.

>> COUPLED WITH THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. COULD THERE BE SOME RECONSIDERATION OF THE EDUCATION IN THE ABSENCE OF THE ORDINANCE, GIVEN THE FACT THAT YOU ARE SEEING THAT MOST OF THE CONSTITUENCY ARE AWARE OF IT AND THEY ARE CONSCIOUS OF IT. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT ACTUALLY ABSENCE OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF? WHY IS IT GOING TO TAKE -- IN LIGHT OF WHAT YOU JUST TOLD ME, DO YOU THINK IT WOULD NOT JUST EMBARK ON TO EDUCATE AS OPPOSED TO

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>> AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO HAVE -- PERSONALLY, I DON'T LIKE TO SEE SIGNS AND GIVEN LIKE THAT TO RESIDENTS. BUT UNFORTUNATELY AS PART OF EDUCATION. AND SO ENFORCEMENT MIGHT SIMPLY BE A DOOR TAG, A DOORHANGER TAG THAT IS HANGING FROM THE DOOR BECAUSE THERE WAS -- THEY'VE BEEN LOADED AS GETTING ON THE WRONG DAY. IT'S PRETTY EASY TO SEE IT, IF YOU LOOK UP IN THE STREET. IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THAT PERSON -- THAT PERSON DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE ISSUED A VIOLATION, IT COULD JUST BE -- SO I THINK THEY SORT OF GO HAND-IN-HAND. YOU KIND OF NEED, AT SOME POINT, YOU NEED TO HAVE ENFORCEMENT AS A BACKSTOP. THAT'S HOW I WOULD ANSWER THAT.

>> JUST TO GO OFF OF ROBERT -- THIS IS A STATE MANDATED CODE TO BEGIN WITH? SO IT IS, THE LAW, SO TO SPEAK. AND I THINK WHAT THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS TRYING TO DO IS PEOPLE DON'T LOOK AT THOSE STATES -- AS A NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY DON'T USUALLY LOOK AT THOSE. SO WE WANT ALL OF THE ORDINANCES TO BE IN SYNC WITH EACH OTHER. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I AM UP HERE TO HELP YOU WITH THE EDUCATION, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE EXTENSION OFFICES TO DO SOME EDUCATION AND ACTUALLY, WE PROVIDED THEM -- HOPEFULLY, WE WILL PROVIDE THEM A GRANT TO HELP WITH NEIGHBORHOODS WITH WATER USE AND MY THOUGHT WAS TO ACTUALLY GET WITH LANDSCAPE COMPANIES BECAUSE THE BHO WAYS, THEY DO NOT DO THEIR OWN SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. SO LANDSCAPE COMPANY. IF WE DO SOME SORT OF EDUCATION WITH THEM, I AM RESEARCHING GRANT THAT WILL HELP WITH THAT SO YOU CAN GET SOIL SENSORS, YOU CAN DO OTHER THINGS. SO HOPEFULLY WITH ALL OF THAT IT WILL GET EVERYBODY IN -- IN THE -- IN THE KNOW SO THAT THEY WILL KNOW THAT THEY CAN ONLY DO THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES AND IT WILL HAVE TO BE ENFORCED, SO TO SPEAK.

>> NOW, STATE LAW, HOW DOES THE STATE ENFORCE IT NOW PRESENTLY?

>> THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS NOT AN ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AND THAT IS WHY WE LOOK TO THE LOCAL ENTITIES TO HELP WITH THAT.

>> WELL IT'S LAW, THERE IS NO ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW?

>> AND DID WE NOT ALSO -- ISN'T IS FOLLOWING KIND OF THE SAME PATTERN AS WHEN WE INTRODUCED AND PASSED THE FERTILIZER ORDINANCE? DID WE DO AN AWFUL LOT OF EDUCATION BEFORE WE -- YES, MA'AM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ENFORCEMENT HAD TO DO THAT BUT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, GO AHEAD.

>> A GOOD PRESENTATION. I WANT TO ASK PEGGY A QUESTION FIRST. THE ATTACHMENT THAT'S IN OUR AGENDA ITEM IS THE ONLY PART OF OUR CODE THAT TALKS ABOUT WATER RESTRICTION? CORRECT CHECK WITH YES, SIR. SO ROBERT AND KATHY, IN THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAVE TODAY, YOU ARE PROPOSING LANGUAGE FOR THE ORDINANCE. DO YOU DEFINE WITHIN THE DRAFT DOCUMENT A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CITY PROVIDED WATER AND WELL WATER ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY. IS

DESIGNED -- TO FIND ALL. >> THOSE ARE UNDER THE RULE.

THE CITY -- PRIVATE WELLS. >> IRRIGATION.

>> PRIVATE WELLS. AND CITY PROVIDED UTILITY WATER ALL FALL UNDER THE RULE.

>> OKAY. THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE OUR CODE, WE GET SPECIFIC IN CITY PROVIDED WATER WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT PRIVATE WELLS THAT I FOUND ANYWAY.

>> THAT'S PART OF OUR CODE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ENHANCE, IF WE WANTED TO DEFINE THE TWO IS A DIFFERENT SET OF CONDITIONS. I'M NOT A PROPONENT OF IT I'M JUST SAYING DEFINITIONS BECAUSE IT'S FROM 1983 AND WE UPDATED IN 2005. WE ARE DEALING WITH OLD CODE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. THIS IS -- LOOKING HOLISTICALLY AND AS A DISTRICT, THIS IS A GOOD PROGRAM AND IT IS MUCH NEEDED. IT'S BEEN

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JUST TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF AN IMPACT, A POSITIVE IMPACT THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY IS VERY IMPORTANT. ALL -- OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT HAS AN EXCESS INCAPACITY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. AND THAT IS GOOD FOR US. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE WATER IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE IT JUST MEANS WHAT THEY ARE PERMITTED TO TAKE OUT OF THE GROUND. AND FOR THIS COMMUNITY, WE HAVE SOME DEEP WATER WELLS. WHICH IS NEAR LONGWOOD STADIUM AND COMPLEX.

AND THOSE ARE SHALLOW WATER WELLS. THEY'VE BEEN USED FOR MANY YEARS AND PROBABLY SINCE THE ORIGINAL FORT PIERCE WATER PLANT WAS PUT INTO PLAY. WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THOSE CONDITIONS. WE'VE GOT TO BALANCE THE AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE. RAY COASTAL COMMUNITY.

WE DON'T MATCH EXACTLY -- AND YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THIS. I DON'T THINK OUR DISTRICT IS SEEING THE PACT WITH SALT WATER INTRUSION LIKE OUR WEST COAST FOLKS. IS THAT ACCURATE?

>> NOT REALLY. I LIVE IN STUART. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 43 YEARS AND STUART HAS A BIG

PROBLEM. >> REALLY? SO IT'S HAPPENING.

AND I KNOW THE WEST COAST. >> AND NURSE MORATORIUMS ON A LOT OF AREA. WE ARE TALKING THE ISLANDS, IS STARTING TO CREEP INTO STUART PROPER. SO

YEAH. THERE ARE SOME ISSUES. >> OKAY. AND THE OTHER THING THIS IS SETTING THE STAGE FOR FOR US IS WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT OUR WASTEWATER PLANT, WE DO NOT HAVE RECLAIMED WATER. WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT LEVEL OF TREATMENT SO WE CAN SEND THE WATER OUT. WE SEND IT 3300 FEET BELOW GRADE INSTEAD OF IRRIGATING WITH IT. AS WE START LOOKING AT MORE OPTIONS, HOPEFULLY, THERE ARE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES HOPEFULLY ON MAYBE THE ADDITIONAL LEVELS OF TREATMENT WITH THE NEW FACILITY IN TRYING TO CREATE RECLAIMED WATER SO THAT WE CAN START ELIMINATING SOME OF THESE WELLS. I HAVE ONE MYSELF, USE IT A COUPLE OF DAYS A WEEK AND THAT IS WHAT I DO. IF WE CAN ELIMINATE THAT NEED THAT WE ARE DOING A GOOD THING FOR OUR CITY AND RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW.

>> GO AHEAD. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. COMMISSIONER SESSIONS HAS A QUESTION.

>> ON ITS FACE, I'M NOT A STRONG PROPONENT. LET ME TELL YOU WHY. FIRST OF ALL, THE MERE FACT THAT THE STATE GOVERNMENTS, IN OF ITS INFINITE WISDOM HAS DETERMINED THIS IS NECESSARY. I UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M SITTING FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT IN THE CONSTITUENCY. REGULATIONS ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN THANKS TO HIGHLY OF WHEN IT COMES TO REGULATIONS ESPECIALLY RESOURCES LIKE WATER. AND LIGHTS. WHERE IS THIS GOING TO END? AT THE POINT THAT WE HAVE TO START TO CONSERVE ENERGY, WE GOING TO TELL PEOPLE TO TURN THEIR LIGHTS ON AND OFF AT A CERTAIN TIME OF DAY AT CERTAIN DAYS A WEEK? AND IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SELL THIS TO THE PUBLIC, I THINK THAT IT HAS TO BE MORE APPARENT TO THEM THAT IT IS A NECESSITY. OR WE ARE AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE ARE DESPERATE AND WE HAVE TO. I THINK THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO ACCEPT THIS AND THAT IT IS GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE OBEYING IT. AND THAT'S JUST ME TALKING. BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF REGULATION OF WATER AND SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND TELLING PEOPLE WHEN TO TURN THEIR SPRINKLERS ON AND HOW TO USE THE WATER. PEOPLE ARE LIKE LEAVE ME ALONE. I'M PAYING THE BILL. LET ME DO WHAT I WANT TO DO. AND AS LONG AS THEY ARE DOING THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY

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BECAUSE, IF THE RULE GOES ON THE BOOK AND CODE ENFORCEMENT IS NOT AROUND, ENFORCING THE RULES ON DAY ONE AND STRICT ABOUT IT, THEN GUESS WHAT? IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE ROLES LIKE BACKING UP IN THE MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD, IT'S NOT ENFORCED, BUT IT'S ON THE BOOK AND PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT.

AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND WITH THE NEED TO -- THE NEED FOR IT BECAUSE I'M EDUCATED ON THE ISSUE. BUT THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO, FROWN ON THIS. THIS IS ANOTHER THING. I MEAN, I CATCH HELL NOW AROUND HERE NOW ABOUT YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE -- PERMITS TO PUT FENCES ON. YOU KNOW, WHY IS THAT, COMMISSIONER? COME ON. JUST SIMPLE THINGS. OR PUT HOT WATER HEATERS AND HOUSES. SIMPLE THINGS. LEAVE ME ALONE. LET ME DO WHAT I WANT TO DO.

MY POINT IS PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT INVOLVES THINGS THAT THEY DEAL WITH ON A DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION THAT THEY DO NOT SEE A NEED FOR IT. SO, IN EDUCATING, I THINK, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS YOU NEED TO SHOW AND EDUCATE PEOPLE THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR IT AND IT WARRANTS THESE TYPES OF ISSUES BECAUSE IN THE ABSENCE OF DOING THAT, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FROWN ON THIS. AND WE ARE ALWAYS IN A COMPETITIVE MODE AROUND HERE.

I DON'T KNOW, WHAT IS FORCING LUCY DOING? ARE THEY DOING IT? ARE THEY DOING IT? I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA ALSO STEPPING OUT OF BEING THE FIRST ONE TO DO IT. SO ONE OF THE OTHER

MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING. >> WE HAVE ACTUALLY LOCKED AT ALL OF THE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE SOUTH FLORIDA MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO SEE WHETHER THEY HAVE AN ORDINANCE OR NOT. ROBERT CAN GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS, BUT UP HERE IN MARTIN ST. LUCIE COUNTY, WHICH ARE MY COUNTIES, MARTIN COUNTY IS LOOKING TO DO ONE SYLLABLE! IS KIND OF ONE OF THE CITY OF STUART HAS ONE ST. LUCIE COUNTY'S, THERE ADOPTED ONE.

SO EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO FOLLOW SUIT. THE CITY OF PORT ST. LUCIE HUSBAND. THERE ADOPTED ONE, BUT THEY HAVE A THREE DAY RULE.

>> THERE WE HAVE IT? ARE THEY ENFORCING IT?

>> I'M ASSUMING THEY ARE. YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP -- IT WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE. WHEN I TOLD YOU THAT -- WE DO NOT HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY, BUT WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS INSIDE THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR, I GET PHONE CALLS ALL THE TIME. I KNOW PEOPLE ON A FIRST NAME BASIS. IT'S ABOUT THINGS LIKE YOU ARE SAYING WHETHER IT'S A FENCE OR SOMEBODY MOWING THE CANAL OR NOT MOWING THE CANAL OR IF SOMEBODY IS HONORING THEIR LAWN BUT THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE WATERING IT, GET THOSE CALLS ALL THE TIME. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING BUT WE REACT TO THOSE CALLS. I TRY TO CONTACT THAT PERSON. I SENT A FIELD PERSON OUT THERE AND AGAIN, ON THE SPOT EDUCATE THEM ON THE SITUATION AND HOPE THAT THEY FOLLOW SUIT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>> IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW. THE CULTURE CHANGE THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH, WE ARE REDEFINING EVERYTHING. IN THE SAME FOLKS THAT SAY YOU HAVE TOO MUCH REGULATION ON ME RIGHT NOW WILL SAY WHY DIDN'T YOU FIX THIS 10 YEARS AGO WHEN YOU KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. THAT'S WHAT WERE DOING RIGHT NOW. WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND YOU KNOW THAT -- WE ARE REPENTANCE FIRST OF ALL. THAT IS GEOGRAPHICALLY A PROBLEM.

ECOLOGY IS VERY SENSITIVE. AND AS FOLKS WANT TO MOVE TO FLORIDA AND EVERYTHING ELSE

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>> IN ALL HONESTY, FOR A LONG TIME, WE HAVE BEEN PROMOTING FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPE. WE HAVE A BOOK THAT IS SPECTACULAR THAT TELLS PEOPLE -- PEOPLE COME FROM UP NORTH AND THEY

WANTED GREENLAWN DOWN HERE. >> HE SAID PUBLICATION?

>> WATER WISE. AND I BROUGHT TONS OF BOXES OF THEM UP HERE, BUT IT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR JUST SOUTH FLORIDA, THE PLANTS THAT YOU CAN PLANT THAT DO NOT NEED A LOT OF WATER. SO THAT YOU CAN LANDSCAPE YOUR PROPERTY WITH PLANTS THAT YOU NEED ALL THE WATER. AND SO WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS ALONG WITH THE EXTENSION SERVICE. BUT LIKE YOU SAID, WE NEED TO STEP IT UP. AND I AM READY TO DO THAT, KIND OF BAD TIMING,

>> IT IS GOOD TO KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE THE WORST FLOOD IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SPENT THE MONEY ON THE BIG GRASS AND THE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. BUT NOW I'M ADOPTING

YOUR PLAN (LAUGHING). >> ON BEING A NATURALIST AND

LET WHATEVER GROW GROW. >> IT'S A GREAT BOOK. IT SHOWS YOU HOW TO DO ALL THAT STUFF IS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON HAS A QUESTION.

>> GREEN GRASS LOOKS GOOD AND IT MAKES US FEEL GOOD. AND IT IS OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE SHOULD

BE DOING. >> YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS TO EACH OF THESE THINGS AND YOU HEAR ME TALK ABOUT WHAT I WAS TAUGHT IN EDUCATION. I SPOKE ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND LINKIN PARK WHEN I WAS THERE AT MIDDLE SCHOOL WE HAD CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS AND THERE WAS A TEACHER THAT MADE AN IMPACT AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT STUFF. THERE'S A LOT OF EDUCATION COMPONENTS TO THIS. THE FUNNY PART ABOUT THIS DISCUSSION AND -- WE TALK ABOUT REGULATIONS. WE DO REGULATE THROUGH THE STATE OF LAURA AND WE, AS A LOCAL BODY, ENFORCE REGULATIONS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THE BUILDING CODE.

>> AND SO, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT, EACH HOME OR BUSINESS, AND WE REGULATE THAT. I SEE THIS TOWARD THAT EFFORT. SO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE HAVE SALTWATER INTRUSION, THE COST OF FIXING THAT WILL BE BORN TO EVERYONE THAT LIVES IN THE LOCAL FORT PIERCE AREA. WE ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT HAS TO BEAR THE COST TO CREATE A WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM. SO WE JUST HAVE DRINKING WATER AND RUNNING WATER AND THAT IS GOING TO BE AN IMPACT TO US FINANCIALLY. EACH INDIVIDUAL. WE ASKED TO BE FORWARD THINKING AND MOVE ON THIS JUST BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. I DON'T LIKE REGULATIONS AT ALL. I DO NOT LIKE BIG GOVERNMENT OVERSEEING ALL THESE THINGS. BUT THIS IS NOT ONE THAT IS -- IT'S JUST CRITICAL TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR STATE AND COMMUNITY. I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE FOCUS ON THESE PARTS OF IT IT'S OUR PART OF THE LOCAL ENTITY THAT WE -- WE ARE GOING TO HELL. WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR PART.

>> I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT IS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR COMPLIANCE. WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR THE -- MAYBE WE COULD COLLECT CODE COMPLIANCE BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT TO ENFORCE. SO WE WOULD RATHER HAVE COMPLIANCE AND ENFORCEMENT. BUT, I WOULD THINK THAT THIS WOULD ALSO -- EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT PROPOSED -- IS PROPOSED AS A CONSERVATION MEASURE. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT WOULD ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO LET THE WHOLE FLOODING -- REDUCING THE FLOODING ISSUE IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IF THE WHOLE SOUTH FLORIDA QUIT USING IRRIGATION AS MUCH AS IT DOES RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THAT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO A POSITIVE LESS FLOODING. PERHAPS YOU CAN'T MEASURE IT, BUT INTUITIVELY, THAT SAYS TO ME THAT IT WOULD. I ALSO FEEL LIKE IF WE ENTERTAIN THIS AND WE DO THIS, THERE IS A LOT OF EDUCATION THAT HAS TO GO ON. I WOULD THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA WOULD BE -- THE MASTER GARDENERS, RIGHT. I WOULD THINK THE COLLEGE COULD BE A GOOD PARTNER. AND I WOULD THINK THAT FORT PIERCE UTILITIES AUTHORITY NEEDS TO HEAR THIS PRESENTATION AND NEEDS TO -- WE NEED TO EDUCATE THROUGH OUR UTILITY BILLS AND

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>> AND JUST TO GO OFF OF THAT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ENFORCEMENT, I THINK THIS COULD BE MORE OF A HABIT. IF YOU ARE INTO A HABIT OF I WATER MY LAWN I'M -- ON THURSDAYS AND SATURDAYS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR HABITS FOR RECYCLING. THEY DID IT.

>> THAT'S MY POINT. ONCE WE PUT THE WHEELS ON THE CART -- YOU KNOW, I MEAN ANOTHER REALLY REASON TO HAVE THIS ORDINANCE IS WHEN THEY COME BACK IN FOR THEIR -- FOR THEIR CONSUMPTIVE USE PROGRAM WILL HAVE TO BE AN ORDINANCE FOR THEM TO GET THAT RENEWAL. SO YOU KNOW,

>> WHO IS THEM? >> UTILITIES.

>> GOT YOU. GOOD. OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD THING.

>> BUT IT'S UNDERSTOOD IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY'RE SELLING MOTOR. THEY DO

NOT WANT TO SELL LESS WATER. >> WE DO WANT THEM TO CONSERVE.

WE DO WANT THEM TO CONSERVE WE DO.

>> I KNOW YOU DO. IT'S LIKE CONSERVING ELECTRICITY. WE WANT THEM TO CONSERVE ELECTRICITY BECAUSE WE KNOW WILL ALWAYS HAVE A CUSTOMER BASE FOR IT, BUT YOU WANT THEM TO CONSERVE BECAUSE IT'S BEST -- IS BEST FOR THE COMPANY, TO.

>> I WILL SAY THAT REUSE WATER AND -- ROBERT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. REUSE WATER DOES NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS. SO IF YOU PUT THAT INTO PLAY -- I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE SAID EARLIER.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS?

>> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THAT THE BILLING HERE HOW THEY BILL THE WATER IN THE UTILITIES IN THE WATER, SEWER ALTOGETHER.

>> UH-UH (AFFIRMATIVE). >> YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAS BEEN A MAJOR COMPLAINT TO THE GUARDS OF THE RATES THEMSELVES WITH THE TOTAL BILL PACKAGE THE CUSTOMERS TEND TO COMPLAIN AND THAT'S AN ISSUE HERE? JUST YES, SIR NO.

>> NO. THAT I DON'T KNOW. >> LET ME TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER. THE BEST GALATIAN YOU COULD HAVE -- REST ASSURED THE CITY FORT PIERCE IS ALREADY IN PLACE. AND THEN WONDERING HAVE YOU DONE THE RESEARCH BECAUSE -- I GUESS JUST MYSELF, IF I'M DOING A WEEK WHERE I'M USING MORE WATER THAN USUAL, A FEW GALLONS MORE, MY BILL GOES UP.

AS A MATTER FACT, I GOT A CALL THEY SAID MR. SESSIONS, YOUR BILL IS UP YOU BEEN USING A LOT OF WATER. YOU BEST -- YOU MUST HAVE A LEAK OR SOMETHING. GUESS WHAT, I'M STUCK WITH PAYING THAT BILL IF I CAN'T RECTIFY THAT SITUATION. BUT MY POINT BEING THERE IS A REGULATION WITH FORT PIERCE UTILITIES IS CALLED A HIGH UTILITY BILL. AND ITSELF, IT AUTOMATICALLY CLICKS IN A CONSERVATION WHICH COUPLES WITH WANT YOUR OBJECTIVE IS. SO MY POINT IS THIS. YOU PROBABLY ALREADY GOT IN PLACE HEAR WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR BUT ORDINANCE PROBABLY WOULD NOT DO ANYMORE THAN WHAT THIS HIGH UTILITY BILL DOES WHEN IT COMES TO WATER. THE OVER USAGE OF WATER. A PRIME EXAMPLE WHEN I PUT MY SOD DOWN, UP AND DOWN, PUT LOOSE SAWED DOWN WHAT I'M USING MY JACUZZI AND I'M REFILLING IT, MY BILL GOES UP.

AND I'M LIKE HEY, I'VE GOT TO STOP THIS. I DON'T NEED A JACUZZI LIKE THAT OR THE SOD, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LET IT BURN. EVER. I'LL TAKE SOME OTHER MEASURES, DO WHAT I NEED TO DO. BUT, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHER MUNICIPALITY. MAYBE PEOPLE USE THEIR WATER LIKE THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT OR IF THEY DON'T HAVE AN IONIC. THERE'S A PLACE CALLED FORT PIERCE UTILITIES AUTHORITY IT'S BETTER THAN ANY ORDINANCE WE COULD HAVE BECAUSE IT IMPACTS THE POCKETBOOK TO UNDERSTAND MY POINT?

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I DO. I THINK A LOT OF UTILITIES HAVE THAT. FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE A POOL.

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SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT. BUT I THINK ALL UTILITIES DO

SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ACTUALLY. >> I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT ALL THAT I KNOW ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY. AND I KNOW THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS ON THIS COMMUNITY. THAT IS A GREAT CONVERSATION -- CONSERVATION MEASURE. IT WORKS FOR ME AND I'M SURE IT WORKS

FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: FPUA DOES, AS A SERVICE INTO BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HELP THEIR CUSTOMERS, IF THEY SEE AN ABNORMALITY IN THE WATER USE, THEY WILL CALL THEM UP AND TRY TO HELP THEM. IT'S A GOOD SERVICE.

>> IF YOU DO FILL YOUR POOL THEY WILL --

>> THEY DON'T DO THAT. >> THEY NEED TO TAKE A LESSON

FROM US. >> THEY DO. THEY WILL HELP YOU AND GIVE YOU A CREDIT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE OR DOES ROBERT HAVE ANYTHING MORE?

>> I DO. I'M ABOUT TO CLOSE. >> OKAY. I WANT TO SEE IS -- I DID WANT TO JUST BRING INTO -- BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION ONE THING THAT -- THE ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING THAT -- ON THE WEST COAST. THAT IS A PROBLEM, BUT I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THE REGIONAL WATER ELIGIBILITY ROLE WHICH AFFECTS THE SOUTHERN COUNTIES ON THE EAST COAST. ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY HAVE ENCOUNTERED IS THEY'VE HIT THE BALANCE. THE WATER GOES INTO THE SYSTEM. IT'S AT NEAR, THE WATER BEING WITHDRAWN. AND SO THEY CONTINUE TO WITHDRAW WATER AT THE RATE THAT THEY ARE NOW, IT'S AT THE BALANCE. BUT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENTS, ANY NEW COMMUNITIES, THAT HAS TO BE MET WITH ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY. AND THAT IS A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW. YOU'VE GOT TO GO DEEPER. AND NOT -- JUST PUTTING THOSE IS A HUMANITARIAN INVESTMENT. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT OPERATING ON A CERTAIN POWER -- AND THAT IS EXPENSIVE TO PULL ALL THAT WATER UP. WHEN YOU COME TO DEEPER LAYERS, THERE'S MORE SERENITY. AND THAT REQUIRED A MUCH HIGHER AND MORE EXPENSIVE LEVELS OF TREATMENT BEFORE IT CAN BE USED. SO WATER CONCENTRATION GET AHEAD OF THAT. BECAUSE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS AS A COMMISSIONER MENTIONED, THIS IS AN INVESTMENT FOR THE BENEFIT OF FUTURE GENERATIONS. BECAUSE HOW WELL WE ARE UTILIZING OUR RESOURCES TODAY, IN MOST CASES IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN THE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS IN HIGHER UTILITY BILLS BECAUSE WILL HAVE TO SPLIT THE BILL -- FOOT THE BILL FOR US NOT GETTING PROACTIVE NOW. THAT'S ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION.

I ALSO WANTED TO BRING UP SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT ABOUT THE FLOODING ISSUE.

THERE'S A BIGGER ELEMENT, WHICH IS WATER QUALITY. AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE HOMEOWNERS WITH CUBICLES ON THE GROUND. EXCESSIVE WATER IRRIGATION READING COMIC LEADS TO TWO THINGS. IT RUNS THE WATER OFF AND THEN DOWN THE STORM DRAIN. COURTS DON'T BELONG THE ROOT ZONE IN THE PLAN THAT IS MEANT TO ENRICH AND AFFECTING OUR GROUNDWATER QUALITY. WATER QUALITY BENEFITS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED AND WATER CONSERVATION AND SPECIFICALLY IRRIGATION I THINK TIES DIRECTLY WITH WATER QUALITY AS AN IMPACT.

BUT ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS -- AND AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE SOMEBODY ELSE MENTIONED, ALL THE NEIGHBORS ARE -- AND BY NEIGHBORS, I MEAN ST. LUCIE COUNTY, THE COUNTY TO

THE NORTH WHICH IS ST. JOHN'S, >> THESE ARE ALREADY WORKING

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>> ANYTHING CAN KNOW KATHY MENTIONED A BUNCH OF THESE THINGS, THE LANDSCAPING AND SO ON. THIS SLIDE -- THIS IS PART OF A LARGER PLAN A LARGER PROGRAM TO SAFEGUARD UTILITIES AND RESOURCES. FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR CHILDREN. I SHOULD MENTION THAT -- AND THEN I GUESS THE LAST THING I WANT TO MENTION ST. LUCIE COUNTY IS ALREADY STARTING TO IMPLEMENT THIS. WE WILL BE COMING INTO STEP WITH OUR NEIGHBORS IF WE WERE TO SEE HIM PUT INTO PLACE.

. >> I DID HEAR SOMEONE ELSE CAN'T RICKY COMMENT IS SAID OKAY THIS IS GREAT THE OTHER FOLKS ÃBIGGER MANY OF THE FOLKS ARE UNIFORMLY. WHAT WE NEED EVENTUALLY TO ARRIVE AT IS A PLACE WHERE CONSERVATION IS A WAY OF LIFE. WE UNDERSTAND OKAY, I SHOULDN'T RUN MY IRRIGATION SYSTEM 3 TO 5 DAYS A WEEK AND I SHOULD NOT LEAVE LIGHTS ON IN OTHER PARTS OF THE HOUSE. BUT THIS IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN. NEXT SLIDE.

I JUST WANTED TO -- BENJAMIN FRANKLIN'S QUOTE COULDN'T BE MORE APPLICABLE HERE. WE ARE GOING TO SEE THE SAME CHALLENGES THAT THEY'RE FACING DOWN IN PALM BEACH COUNTY, BROWARD COUNTY, MIAMI-DADE, MONROE COUNTY, RIGHT UP AGAINST THE WALL AT THIS POINT. AND WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO IMPOSE EXPENSIVE OPTIONS. I THINK AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET AHEAD OF HAVING TO MAKE DIFFICULT CHOICES AND MAKE THESE INVESTMENTS IN CONSERVATION TODAY WE HAVE TO MAKE LESS INVESTMENT AND SO ON IN THE FUTURE. MY CONTACT INFORMATION AS WELL AS THAT OF KATHY ARE ON THE SLIDE. I HAVE NO OTHER INFORMATION TO PRESENT, BUT I

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION.

>> MR. MIMS, DO WE HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH THE DOT, WE MAINTAIN RIGHT-OF-WAY SAND LANDSCAPED MEDIANS, DO THEY REQUIRE US TO HAVE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AND TODAY REQUIRE

SPECIFIC PARAMETERS? >> I BELIEVE, COMMISSIONER, THAT OUR REQUIREMENT IS TO MAINTAIN THE HEALTH IN THE FIGURE OF THE LANDSCAPING NOT SO MUCH TO WATER THEM A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TIMES. IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT LANDSCAPE IS

IN A HEALTHY CONDITION. >> IS SOUTH FLORIDA WORKING WITH DOT? IS THERE AN AGREEMENT OR DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE TWO ENTITIES FOR

MAINTAINING RIGHT-OF-WAY SKI. >> I DID NOT KNOW BUT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MEET THE NEW DISTRICT SINCE MARCH WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT ROBERT MIGHT NOW IF OUR WATER SUPPLY -- HIS GROUP DO YOU DEAL WITH DOT ON LANDSCAPE OF THE MEDIANS THAT SPECIFICALLY LANDSCAPE OF THE MEDIANS, NO, THAT'S A DRILL DOWN LIKE -- WE'RE EVEN MORE AT

THE -- THE BIGGER PICTURE. >> OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THE BIG THING FOR US IS I KNOW SOME OF OUR IRRIGATION PRIMARIES IS FROM FPUA -- I THINK MAYBE THIS MEETING OF FRONTIER, OR TO THE NORTH, I REMEMBER THE CITY WATER. IT MIGHT CHANGE THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS IS WHERE -- MY POINT HOW WE LOOK AT OUR MEDIANS AND LANDSCAPING. WE'VE GOT SOME PROJECTS AND ROADWAY PROJECTS. WE HAVE A SURTAX IN THE COUNTY AND FORT PIERCE THAT WE ARE WORKING TO REDEVELOP, REPAVE NEW STORMWATER SYSTEMS. WE ARE GOING TO CHALLENGE HERSELF TO CREATE THAT FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPE FROM HERE FULLY. IT MIGHT COST A LITTLE MORE UP FRONT BUT THE LONG-TERM COST IS CHEAPER.

>> SORRY. >> I JUST HAD TO ASK THE DISTRICT DOES HAVE A FUNDING PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY FOR WATER CONSERVATION READ AND THERE ARE WONDERFUL TECHNOLOGY THAT HAS COME DOWN DRAMATICALLY IN PRICE. THEY WILL PLAY -- SENSORS FOR INDIVIDUAL RESIDENCY AND ACTUALLY, SOME OF THEM ARE FOR MEDIANS, EVEN MEDIANS WITH POWER SUPPLY, THERE IS NO BATTERY-POWERED SENSORS, FOR EXAMPLE. SO THAT TAKES THE DECISION-MAKING OUT OF THE OPERATOR OR RESIDENT. AND SO THOSE PROGRAMS ALSO HELP THE COMMUNITY MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT AND IT CURRENTLY OFFERS $50,000 FOR THESE TYPE OF PROGRAMS. EITHER THE HOTEL THE EXCEL FOR THE CITY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY AND THEN -- AS WE GO FORWARD, EITHER MYSELF OR THE CAPTAIN CAN -- HELP WITH THOSE TYPES OF PROGRAMS AS THEY CANNOT. BUT WE JUST FINISHED OUR FUNDING CYCLE FOR NATALIE NEXT ONE WILL COME OUT NEXT YEAR. IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO GET ON THE MAILING LIST SO AS LANDSCAPE OPPORTUNITIES COME UP, THE STAFF CITY AND UTILITY COULD BE NOTIFIED AND TAKE ADVANTAGE. THAT IS MONEY LEFT ON THE TABLE. IT IS AN INVESTMENT NOW, BUT IT DOES PAY OFF OVER TIME. AND I WILL TELL YOU WHAT, THERE HAS BEEN MANY -- MANY STUDIES OVER THE ENTIRE COUNTRY LOOKING AT HOW MUCH CONSERVATION PAYS OVER THE LONG TERM VERSUS JUST DEVELOPING NEW WATER SUPPLIES. THERE IS NO CONTEST. WATER CONSERVATION WILL ALWAYS BE THE CHEAPER OPTION.

>> AGREED. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

>> I WILL SAY THAT I AM -- GRANTS IS MY THING. SO I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH YOU FOLKS. I USED TO DO STUFF WITH JACK I DO NOT THINK I HAVE THIS CORRECT INFORMATION ANYMORE BUT I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION TO THE REGION ONE OF THOSE BELIEVERS. SO GOOD LUCK ON THAT ONE. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT GRANTS TO GET SOME OF THESE THINGS IN THE GROUND. THE INDIAN RIVER LICENSE PLATE PROGRAM IS MY PROGRAM AND THAT

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WE CAN GET CREATIVE WITH THAT. THERE ARE OPTIONS AND I THINK THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION THAT I'M GOING TO BRING UP WHEN I MEET WITH THE DOT GALA. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE GOING TO PUT IN HER EAR, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO .

>> I'M JUST -- I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD. I'M READY TO SAY THAT WE GIVE STAFF A DIRECTION TO DRAFT UP AN ORDINANCE AND LOOK AT THE OPTIONS AND GET BACK TO US AND WE HAVE TO DO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON IT. WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT SECTION OF OUR CODE ANYWAY.

>> MR. MIMS? >> I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW-UP A CONVERSATION THAT YOU ALL HAD. SINCE ABOUT -- WE WENT THROUGH A RECESSION, WAS ABOUT 2009 NORTH 2010 THE CITY OF -- FORT PIERCE WAS TASKED WITH SAVING MONEY. WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS. I BELIEVE YOU WERE PART OF THIS.

>> AS. >> WE IDENTIFIED COST SAVINGS WE REDUCE THE LANDSCAPING AND IRRIGATION THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY. SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO IT AS A MUNICIPALITY, WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT. AS A MATTER FACT, WE DO IT CONSISTENTLY. SO WE HAVE GONE WITH THE ZILLOW STATE, SOME OF THE PLANT LIFE, IT'S KIND OF UGLY. BUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WE HAVE SPRUCED UP THE LOOK BUT WE STILL HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT THE NEED OF INTENSE IRRIGATION. I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT WE REMEMBER, WE ARE A PARTNER, AND WE ARE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW. WE NEED IS YOUR FEEDBACK AND IF YOUR FEEDBACK IS POSITIVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THE NARCO COMPLIANCE MANAGER WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH

THE CODE REVISION. >> AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH THIS, BUT IN AND OF ITSELF, WON'T STOP FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONVERSATION -- CONSERVATION. AND THE ONLY WAY IT'S GOING TO SURVIVE SOME HEARING MY CITY MANAGER SAY AS FAR AS THE GOVERNMENT IS CONCERNED WITH THE CITY, WE'VE TAKEN ADDITIONAL STEPS TO MEET AND SATISFY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.

AND THAT IS WHAT FLORIDA IS ALL ABOUT ANYWAY. I MEAN, GREENERY. SO, I MEAN AGAIN, ARE WE GOING TO GET TO THE POINT NOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE UP -- THE BARE MINIMUM WITH THE CITY. IN TERMS OF TRYING TO PRESERVE OUR GREENERY.

WHEN I LOOK AT PORT ST. LUCIE, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF WATER GOING DOWN THE LANDSCAPING.

THAT IS WHY IT'S MAINTAINED IN THE FASHION THAT IT IS. WHEN I LOOK AT FORT PIERCE, ESPECIALLY MEDIANS, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF WATER THERE. I SINK BACK. I'M NOT SOLD ON THIS. I'VE HEARD ALL ARGUMENTS. I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT FROM A CONSENSUS -- I KNOW WE ARE NOT VOTING TODAY. BUT I FEEL THAT THERE IS AN EDUCATION COMPONENT IF WE COUPLE WITH THE STATE, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE MUNICIPALITIES WILL PUT MORE TOWARD EDUCATING THE PUBLIC AND I BELIEVE WE WILL GET THE RESPONSE THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. BUT ANOTHER REGULATION IN FLORIDA WITH REGARD TO A RESOURCE ONE THAT WE CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT WATER, EVEN TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION PRESERVING FOR OVER GENERATIONS. I LIKE THAT ARGUMENT. BUT THIS IS A DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION AND PEOPLE ARE LIVING DAY BY DAY RIGHT NOW. SO I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE THE SITUATION WARRANTS ANOTHER REGULATION FOR WATER AT THIS POINT. ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF YEARS TO COME BACK GENERATION WOULD BE FACED WITH REGULATIONS THAT WE ARE NOT IN A PUBLISHER

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>> ON TOTAL SUPPORT. RATHER GET OUT AHEAD OF IT. IT'S RESPONSIBLE. I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT, TOO. GROWING UP, WATER WAS JUST THERE WE USED TO SAY WATER WAS FREE, BUT WE KNOW IT'S NOT FREE. LEARN MORE ABOUT IT AND HOW SENSITIVE OUR RESOURCES ARE NOT -- THE NEW GENERATION COMING UP HAS TO LEARN THAT, TO AND ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN IT FROM US. I THINK AS A CITY, IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR US TO GET OUT THERE. AGAIN, I'M THRILLED THAT I DO NOT HAVE TO INVEST IN IRRIGATION AND BRAND-NEW SOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A REACTION, IT'S MORE OF A LEADERSHIP ROLE THAT I AM TAKING ON. THAT'S MY STATEMENT AND I'M STICKING WITH IT BUT I AM SUPPORTIVE. I THINK THIS IS THE DIRECTION I'D

LIKE TO GO. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN? COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER?

>>. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY LAST WORDS

ON THE SUBJECT? >> I AGREE WITH WHAT WAS SAID.

>> OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. WHEN THESE ORDINANCES ARE PASSED THE APPLIED EVERYBODY INCLUDING THE GOVERNMENT'S NOT IN ADDITION TO FORT PIERCE, WILL BE THE SCHOOL BOARD IN THE OTHER ENTITIES. AND SO, LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THAT WE HAVE TO GET SAINT LUCY'S ORDINANCES. WE HAVE SO MANY POCKETS WERE NEIGHBORS ARE NEXT NEIGHBORS. IF WE COULD POSSIBLY DO ORDINANCES AS SIMILAR AS POSSIBLE AND COME BACK IN OCTOBER WITH THEIR ORDINANCE. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO GET MORE INFORMATION FROM SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT ABOUT THEIR FLORIDA FRIENDLY GUARD IS A PROMOTION SIDE OF IT TO COUNTER THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF IT. PERHAPS WE COULD HAVE

TWO PRONGS. >> I'VE SEEN THE MASTER

GARDENERS. THEY PROMOTE THAT. >> UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. BUT IF WE COULD GET MORE INFORMATION AS THE PROMOTION SIDE WILL LOOK AT THAT AND DETERMINE HOW IT APPLIES TO THE CITY.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? >> MONOMERIC, JUST ONE THOUGHT.

WHEN WE REVIEWED THE ORDINANCE WE TRY TO ENFORCE -- IS THE COUNTY GOING TO ENFORCE THAT WITH THE CITY? ARE THEY GOING TO ASSIST IN THAT OR THEY JUST GOING TO PUT THIS ON FORT

PIERCE? >> I THINK THAT THE COUNTIES ARE CONSIDERING AN ORDINANCE, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE UNINCORPORATED PART OF ST.

LUCIE COUNTY. I THINK WHAT PEGGY JUST SAID IS WE WOULD LOOK AT THEIRS AND THEN MAYBE PATTERN HOURS AFTER ST. LUCIE COUNTY SO THAT THERE WOULD BE A UNIFORMITY FOR -- ESPECIALLY FOR LANDSCAPE COMPANIES. THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH THE FERTILIZER, I BELIEVE. WE

DIDN'T CONFUSE THEM. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> SO YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO KNOW

WHAT WE NEED TO DO, MR. MIMS? >> YES.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US TODAY. WE APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO

US. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> LOOK AT THOSE GRANTS, PLEASE

KEEP US IN MIND. >> I DO.

>> I APPRECIATE IT. >> WE DO APPRECIATE IT. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU.

[b. Presentation by Michael Broderick, Vice-Chair, City of Fort Pierce Planning Board on the Conditions of Approval for Dwelling Rentals in zoning districts that allow such uses as Conditional Uses pursuant to Code Section 125-187.]

>> LET'S MOVE ON. >> OUR PRESENTATION BY MICHAEL BRODERICK, VICE CHAIR OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE PLANNING BOARD ON THE CONDITIONS OF IMPROVEMENT AND ZONING DISTRICTS ALLOW USES AS CONDITIONAL USES PURSUANT TO

CODE SECTION 125 187. >> MR. MIMS, DO YOU HAVE A

LEADING TO THIS. >> I DO NOT.

>>. >> WHO GOES FIRST?

>> I'LL GO IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

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>> BEFORE YOU TODAY, WE WERE INTENDING ON DOING A PRESENTATION TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT OUR CURRENT STANDARDS OF APPROVAL WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION WHICH ARE VACATION OR DWELLING RENTALS. WE HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY HAD A PLANNING BOARD MEETING AND WE HAD A NEW BOARD MEMBER -- OR A FORMER ONE WHO IS BACK ON THE BOARD, AND IT RAISED SOME OTHER QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO INSURANCE. AND AFTER SPEAKING WITH OUR VICE CHAIR BRODERICK AND ALSO OUR CHAIRPERSON FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, FRANK MILLER, WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER, IF YOU COULD ASK OR ALLOW US TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO EXPLORE THIS CONDITION WHICH WAS -- WITH REGARD TO THIRD-PARTY LIABILITY WHEN IT COMES TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

WE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH HAVING THE PRESENTATION ON THAT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME EXPLORING WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE AND THEN COME FORWARD AT A LATER DATE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT IS FINE WITH ME.

>> MONOMERIC HE. >> WHEN YOU SPEAK TO THIS, ARE YOU GOING TO BE VISITING OTHER CITIES TO SEE HOW -- AND WHAT THEY DO AS FAR AS INSURANCE?

>> THAT IS ONE OF OUR AREAS THAT WE ARE EXPLORING, AMONG OTHERS. PARKING IS ANOTHER ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO RE-EXAMINE.

>> YES. THAT IS. >> OKAY. GOOD. GREAT. SO WE

WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. >> JUST ONE,

>> THAT THE -- I THINK THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS ISSUE WARRANTS IN-DEPTH AND CONTINUING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION COMING IN. I FULLY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF MOVING THIS DOWN THE ROAD SLIGHTLY SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT OTHER FOLKS IN THE STATE ARE DOING. AND WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION BACK TO THE TABLE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION.

>> THAT'S PRETTY MUCH STANDARD BECAUSE WE WOULD BE ASKING YOU THAT. SO THAT'S GOOD. YES.

ALREADY. SO MS. COX, READ THE NEXT ONE.

[c. Presentation by Michael Broderick, Parking Committee Chair, regarding the committee's recommendation to address parking issues involving the St. Lucie County Courthouse, two-hour parking enforcement, converting the green space in Gazebo park to multi-functional parking/event space, and the need for and location of short-term, 15-minute, pickup, and loading/unloading zones.]

>> WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY MICHAEL BRODERICK, PARKING COMMITTEE CHAIR REGARDING THE RECOMMENDATION TO ADDRESS PARKING ISSUES INVOLVING THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY COURTHOUSE CONVERTING THE GREEN SPACE AND GAZEBO PARK TO MULTIFUNCTIONAL PARKING EVENTS SPACE AND THE NEED FOR AND LOCATION OF SHORT-TERM 15 MINUTE PICKUP AND LOADING AND UNLOADING ZONES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALREADY. SO WHO IS GOING TO START?

>> ULCER. >> GET STAGED UP HERE. THE PARKING COMMITTEE HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HOLD TO MEETING SINCE MY LAST PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION. AT THE SUGGESTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION, I THINK UNANIMOUSLY, THE ISSUE OF THE COURTHOUSE WAS FRONT AND CENTER TO TRY TO COME TO CONCLUSIONS AND GATHER MORE INFORMATION. WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COURTHOUSE, CLERK OF COURT, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, ET CETERA ET CETERA TO UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS RELATIVE TO THE DOWNTOWN LOCATION, COME UP WITH A -- SOLUTIONS TO SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY ARE FACING IN THEIR DAY-TO-DAY ADMINISTRATION OF THEIR UNDERTAKINGS OF THE COURTHOUSE. I BELIEVE THAT WE REACHED A FAIRLY GOOD CONSENSUS AS RECOMMENDATIONS. TO ASSIST THEM IN THEIR OPERATIONS. AND I HAVE TO SUGGEST THE MEETINGS WE HAD WITH ALL THE PARTIES FROM THE COUNTY WERE VERY PRODUCTIVE, VERY FRIENDLY AND VERY OPEN. EVERYBODY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THEIR MATTERS FORWARD AND WORK TO SOLUTION. I WAS PLEASED TO SEE A REAL COOPERATIVE EVENTS TAKE PLACE WITH ALL THE FOLKS THAT CAME IN FROM THE COUNTY. THOSE MEETINGS WERE RELATIVELY LENGTHY. WE SPENT A LOT OF PTIME WITH THEM TO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AND WORK TOWARD SOLUTIONS. THE FIRST PART OF THE PRESENTATION THIS MORNING SPEAKS TO SPECIFICALLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS COMING FROM THE PARKING COMMITTEE RELATIVE TO THE COURTHOUSE. AUDREY HAS IT PLACED UP ON THE SCREEN. AN OVERVIEW OF THE COURTHOUSE FACILITY. AND IF YOU WOULD REFERENCE THE SECOND STREET SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT EXPRESSED CONCERN REGARDING SECURITY IN THIS AREA. THAT AREA IS LOCATED CLOSE TO THE ROAD. IT IS A GLASS ENCLOSURE SECTION OF THE BUILDING. I BELIEVE THEY COMMENTED THAT THERE WERE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS TAKING PLACE IN THAT AREA OF THE BUILDING. IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL BARRIERS, THEY OPTED TO COMMENCE WITH THE PARKING OF

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IN ADDITION, WE UNDERSTANDS THE CONCERNS WITH THE JUROR PARKING AND SHERIFF'S DEPUTY PARKING.

WE DID HAVE THE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT PERSON HERE AT OUR LAST MEETING TO DISCUSS THE COUNTY GARAGE CAPABILITIES, ET CETERA AS PARTY AND PARCEL OF THAT DISCUSSION, THE PARKING AS TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OR THE INDIAN RIVER SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE BUILDING, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO DESIGNATE PARKING THEREFORE SHERIFF'S VEHICLES ONLY. WHAT WAS CONTEMPLATED WITH THIS REQUEST IS THE TRANSIENT NATURE OF THE PARK OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY. THEY NEED THAT CONVENIENT PARKING COMING AND GOING AND CONDUCTING BUSINESS WITHIN THE COURTHOUSE.

THERE WAS A CONCERN LEGITIMATELY RELATIVE TO THE SHERIFF'S ACCESSING THE WORK ENVIRONMENT. LITERALLY CARRYING THEMSELVES WITH THEM THAT THEY HAVE CLOSE PROXIMITY PARKING. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY INDIVIDUALLY TO LITERALLY DRIVE THE ROAD. I DRIVE THIS ROAD AND I HAVE OBSERVED THE PARKING COMMISSIONS OVER THERE. WE HAVE REQUESTED A DEDICATION -- I BELIEVE IT IS 11 PARKING SPACES ON UNION RIVER DRIVE.

DURING OPERATIONAL HOURS OF THE COURTHOUSE FACILITY. AFTER THOSE HOUR, THEY WERE PARKING IN USE BY ANYONE. IN ADDITION, THE COUNTY HAS DESIGNATED -- THIS IS WHERE THEY CAME INTO THE DISCUSSION. WE SUGGESTED TO THEM THAT THEY HAVE A MEETING WITH THE SHERIFFS FOLKS THAT THE SPECIFICALLY FOR SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT USE AS WELL. AND THE QUESTION WAS RAISED RELATIVE TO THE COUNTY GARAGE, WAS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE DEDICATED NOW OR HOW IS THAT BEING UTILIZED. WITH DESIGNATED SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT PARKING. IT APPEARS THAT ALL PARTIES CAME TO THE -- TO ADDRESS SECURITY CONCERNS AND THEY CLOSE PROXIMITY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SUBJECT?

>> MONOMERIC, ARE YOU SPEAK ABOUT -- WHEN YOU SAY SHERIFF, ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT HOW THEY DETERMINE THEY MIGHT BE IN THE COURT SYSTEM? ARE YOU SPEAKING OF

ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT? >> NO. THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT VEHICLES ONLY.

>> OKAY. THAT'S QUITE A LOT OF SHERIFFS VEHICLES. THEY SHOULD BE OUT ON THE ROAD EXAM. THE OPERATIONS AT THE CLUBHOUSE, THERE ARE SEVERAL DOZEN SHERIFFS IN AND AROUND THE PROPERTY CONTINUOUSLY CONDUCTING BUSINESS AND DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO THROUGHOUT

THE COURSE OF THE DAY. >> THANK YOU. YOUR PERSONAL

VEHICLES AS WELL. >> WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED -- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS CORRECT ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE, THE VEHICLES POURING PEOPLE WHO ARE ON TRIAL. THEY BRING THEM FROM THE FACILITY TO THE COURTHOUSE. THAT'S WHAT I OBSERVED ON THE EAST SIDE, ON THE EAST SIDE. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON SECOND STREET, THAT'S REALLY TO

PROTECT THE COURTHOUSE. >> CORRECT. IT'S A PHYSICAL BARRICADE IN LIEU OF HAVING SOME TYPE OF CONCRETE ABUTMENTS FELT WHICH IS CONTEMPLATED BUT NOT PLANNED OR IN PROCESSED CURRENTLY. THEY ARE AWARE THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM AND ARE LOOKING TO MAKE FURTHER MODIFICATIONS. SO FOR THE SHORT TERM OUT OF A SAFETY

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>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT COMMISSIONER VARONA SITS ON THIS BOARD AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING THIS. I DO HAVE HISTORY AND I HAVE INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE IT'S MY JOB ABOUT THE COURTHOUSE.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MARY Ã MCNAIR WHICH IS THE SALLY PORT WHICH IS ON THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION WHERE THAT NUMBER 707 IS ON THE SCREEN WHICH IS A STATE ROAD FOR INDIAN RIVER

DRIVE. >> THAT IS WHERE THE FOLKS THAT ARE COMING TO TRIAL MAY BE FROM THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY JAILER TRANSPORTED INTO THE FACILITY ITSELF. I ALSO DO KNOW IN SPEAKING WITH MANY OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS IN ST.

LUCIE COUNTY, THAT ONE OF THEM BEING THE SHERIFF, THAT THEY DO HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES -- THE REPORT TO WORK AND THEY BRING THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE ARE OVER 30 OR 35 EMPLOYEES THAT REPORT THAT DO WORK FOR THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY SHERIFF THAT REPORTED THIS COMPLEX. THEY ARE IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES, BUT IT WAS AT LEAST THAT MANY FOLKS THAT ATTEND THE COURT PROCEEDINGS. WHICH, BY THE WAY, GOING TO REVAMP AND REOPEN UP 20 CIRCUITS -- CIRCUIT 19, WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH. I THINK THEY'RE SLATED FOR JURY TRIALS 1 OCTOBER. SO THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN UNLESS SOMETHING ELSE CHANGES WITH THE CORONAVIRUS.

IT'S REVAMPING THE CURRENT -- OPERATIONS OF THE COURTHOUSE.

>> THERE HAS BEEN A LONG TALK ABOUT ITEMS. IT'S ON THE SCREEN TO THE RADIANT SIDE.

THAT WAS A CITY AND A COUNTY JOINT EFFORT. TO REVAMP THAT PARKING LOT. THAT IS A COUNTY OWNED PARKING LOT BUT IT WAS A JOINT EFFORT IS THAT RIGHT MR. MINSKY.

>> AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY ISSUES WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN, THE CORE COMPLEX FOR THE SAFETY AND SECURITY FOLKS THAT ARE COMING TO SERVE AS A JUROR OR TO SERVE BECAUSE THERE ON THE BENCH. AND SO, THERE'S A LOT OF -- A LOT OF MOVING TARGETS IN THIS NEST MAY BE A TERRIBLE PUN. THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING OPPORTUNITIES HERE FOR IMPROVEMENTS AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE. IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A FACTOR OF SAFETY AND SECURITY. AND IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 24 TO 48 HOURS, WE HAVE SEEN SOME COWARDLY ACTS SPECIFICALLY TARGETING LAW ENFORCEMENT. I THINK THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT THESE FOLKS WAS COMING TO WORK AND THAT SITUATION. I'VE HEARD THAT. SO, I WOULD HATE TO, YOU KNOW, TO NOT ADDRESS SUCH ISSUES.

THERE IS ALSO, WITH THE SECOND STREET SIDE, THE BUILDING WAS DESIGNED YEARS AGO. IT LOOKS GREAT AND WONDERFUL. VERY CLOSE TO THE STREET AND SIDEWALK. THERE IS A DOOR ON THAT ELEVATION, IF I REMEMBER. IT LEADS INTO A SECURE AREA OF THE COURTHOUSE. THE COURTHOUSE HAS A SECURE BACK SECTION FOR THE JUDGES, JUDGES ASSISTANCE AND OTHER PERSONNEL, SPECIAL MAGISTRATES. IN THE PUBLIC IS REQUIRED TO GO INTO THE DOOR WITH SAFETY, SECURITY AND SCREENING. IT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT. IT IS A GOOD LAYOUT AS FAR AS THE AMENITIES AND JUST OUR CITY STREETS AND HOW DO WE PROVIDE THAT PARTNERSHIP. SO THAT IS MY TWO CENTS FOR NOW.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMS. >> MEHTA MAYOR, MR. BRODRICK AND AUDREY AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I'VE HEARD YOU MENTION IN SAY PERSONAL VEHICLES. AND THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, WE DO NOT ALLOW PERSONAL VEHICLES TO PARK IN LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY PARKING SPACES. SO I DO NOT KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH THIS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET CLARITY ON THE RECOMMENDATION. THIS IS EXPECTED TO BE ENFORCED PERSONAL VEHICLES ARE JUST THAT. THEY ARE NOT ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES. WE NEED SOME CLARITY.

>> HONEY CLEARLY THERE, TOO BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF SHERIFF DEPUTY VEHICLES THAT COME DOWN THERE BUT I DON'T KNOW ¦

>> PERSONAL VEHICLES IS PERSONAL. IT SHOULD BE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> RIGHT. AND ALSO, I'M THINKING IF WE GIVE UP THESE 11 SPACES AND WE DO IT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS IT SE RIGHT REASO WE ARE GIVING UP PARKING THAT IS CONVENIENT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE AND SO, I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THE SHERIFF AND THE COURTHOUSE WOULD BE

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>> MANNA MAYOR. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER?

>> YES I HEARD YOU SPEAK OF THE PARKING GARAGE BUT THEY DID NOT ELABORATE. AND NOT JUST THINKING ABOUT THE LONG JEVITY OF DAD COURTHOUSE DOWNTOWN WHY HAVEN'T WE DISCUSSED EXPANDING THE GARAGE? WE HAD A FEW YEARS AGO AND FOR THE -- THE PARKING GARAGE?

>> SO WHY NOT -- WAS A COUNTY EVEN WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

>> COMMISSIONER PERRONE IS GOING TO COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION REGARDING CAPABILITY OF EXPANDING THE GARAGE. THE TAKE AWAY, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER BUT THE TAKE AWAY THAT I HAD, WAS THAT WHEN THE GARAGE WAS BUILT THERE WAS A CONTEMPLATION OF ADDING ADDITIONAL FLOORS TO WHICH. HOWEVER THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE, WHEN IT WAS BUILT, WOULD NOT MEET TODAY'S STANDARDS TO ELEVATED FURTHER. BUT IN LOCKSTEP WITH THAT, THERE WAS DISCUSSION SPECIFICALLY WITH THE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES RELATIVE TO IDENTIFYING AVAILABLE PARKING IN THE GARAGE. NOT ONLY THEIR GARAGE, BUT THE CITY GARAGE AND WORKING IN TANDEM TO HELP THOSE COUNTERS RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE WAY SO THAT YOU CAN EASILY DETERMINE THE AVAILABILITY OF PARKING. AND THE REASON THAT CAME UP IS THE WORK HUNDRED 87 PARKING SPACES IN THE COUNTY GARAGE. A DISCUSSION TOOK PLACE RELATIVE TO THE FACT THAT WHEN THE GARAGE FULL? EVEN WHEN THERE'S HUNDRED 87 SPACES. SO WE FEEL AS THOUGH -- AND THE CITY MANAGER MIMS MADE A COMMENT THAT RESONATES WITH ME WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING SITUATION. DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE DOES NOT HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM IT HAS A CONVENIENCE A PARKING PROBLEM. THAT'S BEEN DRILLED INTO MY HEAD BY MR. MIMS. AVERAGE NUMBER HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING WE'VE GOT TO GET AWAY FROM THE CONCEPT OF BEING ABLE TO PARK IN FRONT OF YOUR FAVORITE RESTAURANT EVERY TIME YOU GO THERE. FROM A MANAGERIAL PERSPECTIVE -- I'M JUST GOING TO SPEAK TO THIS AND MOMENTARILY ABOUT THE UPDATE ON THE WALKER PARK STUDIED THE WAS DISCUSSION HAD TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY IN THIS TYPE OF COUNTERBORE -- FOR LACK OF A BETTER DESCRIPTION SANDERS 50 SPACES AVAILABLE ON THE THIRD FLOOR. IT'S EVERYWHERE. AND IT'S TIME FOR US TO ADOPT THAT TO IDENTIFY THIS CONVENIENT PARKING ARE PEOPLE THAT EITHER AT THE COURTHOUSE OR DOWNTOWN. IT WAS A FLUID DISCUSSION, BUT I WAS A VERY COOPERATIVE. ALL PARTIES LOOKING TO BRING SOLUTIONS TO

THE TABLE, LONG AND SHORT-TERM. >> AND YOU HIT IT ON THE HAND.

AND WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE RUMORS OUT THERE ABOUT MOVING COURTHOUSES. WE'LL KNOW THAT. THE BIGGEST REASON FOR THAT IS I CAN'T GET PARKING FOR MY PEEPS. I CAN GET PARKING FOR THE JURIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. THE PARKING COMMITTEE TACKLED THAT ONE STRAIGHT ON WITH THOSE FOLKS THAT MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF PARKING. IT'S MAYBE IF YOU CAN HELP US WITH THE CONVENIENCE. AND THERE ARE REASONS WHY THEY NEED THESE 11 SPACES. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE AGREED WITH THEM. BUT WE NEED TO GET OUT AND -- MR. MIMS IS RIGHT ABOUT CONVENIENT BIBS. IT'S FREE, CONVENIENT AND AVAILABLE. AND AVAILABILITY IS THEY ARE. SOMETIMES WE DON'T KNOW IT'S THERE. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ANY OF US ON THE DAIS RIGHT HERE HAS PARKED IN THE COUNTY GARAGE?

>> I'VE NEVER PARKED THERE. I WOULDN'T DARE.

>> WHY? BECAUSE I THINK GOING DOWN THAT ROAD RIGHT THERE, I'M GOING TO BE WASTING MY TIME AND I'LL NEVER GET IN THERE OR GET OUT.

>> YES (LAUGHING). >> WE ARE TACKLING THAT RIGHT

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SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK THEY ARE SMALL -- IF WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THEM WITH A STICK OR WHATEVER ELSE FROM A SHERIFF'S PERSPECTIVE, I ENDED UP LEAVING THAT MEETING THINKING THAT WE RESOLVE THIS ISSUE -- AT LEAST ON ITS SURFACE.

>> WAS NOTHING THAT WE ASKED FOR THAT WE DID NOT ATTEMPT TO ACCOMMODATE FULLY. IT WAS A

COOPERATIVE. >> IN THE EXCHANGES -- THE EXCHANGE OF DATA AND FACTS AND INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH, I THINK THE LEFT EAR KNOWING THAT THIS WAS -- THERE WAS A LOT MORE AVAILABLE TO FOLKS THAN NOT. IN THE BIG IDEAS CONVENIENCE. IF YOU ARE FROM A BIG CITY AND YOU HAVE TO WALK FOUR BLOCKS FROM WHERE YOU PARKED YOUR CAR, THAT'S CONVENIENT. IN FORT PIERCE, 50 GO 50 FEET THAT'S -- ANYTHING OVER 50 FEET IS INCONVENIENT AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.

>> WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS AREA IS THE MAIN FOCUS OF ALL OF THE PARKING FOR THE COURTHOUSE IS BEING SECURED BY THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. AND THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME.

NUMBER ONE, SECURITY IS ONE REASON, WHICH IS GOOD ENOUGH, OPERATIONS BY WAY OF NECESSITY, IF THEY NEED PARKING SPACES. I CAN BUY THAT. WALKING IN AND OUT OF THE COURTHOUSE FROM THE DEPUTIES. BUT I'M NOT HERE TO TRY TO MAKE IT CONVENIENT FOR THEM? WHAT I WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THE OPERATIONS OF THE COURTHOUSE ARE SECURE AND IF THAT MANDATES PARKING SPACES, THEN SO BE IT. BUT, I HOPE WE'RE NOT GETTING IN THE BUSINESS OF TRYING TO FACILITATE AND ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY'S CONVENIENT SCHEDULE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO WALK IN AND OUT OF THE COURTHOUSE -- I'VE NEVER SEEN IS IT ANY OTHER COURTHOUSE THAT I'VE EVER BEEN TO BECAUSE MOST OF YOUR DEPUTIES CARS ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE AREA IN THE PARK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. SO IT WAS ONE THING TO HAVE JUDGES CLOSE TO THE COURTHOUSE WITH SECURITY REASONS. IT'S ONE THING TO BE ABLE TO TRANSPORT INMATES IN AND OUT OF CARS. THAT'S A SECURITY REASON. YOU NEED TO BE NEAR THE COURTHOUSE. BUT HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE WE TALKING?

>> A TOTAL OF 14. 11 ON THE EAST SIDE AND THREE ON THE WEST.

>> THAT'S A LITTLE BIT. >> WELL I WASN'T PART OF THE CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST HOPE THE NECESSITY AS THEY ARE. WE ARE JUST NOT TRYING TO FACILITATE INDIVIDUALS TO MAKE IT CONVENIENT FOR THEM. I MEAN, IF ALL THE SHERIFF DEPUTIES ARE GOING TO BE PARKED NEAR THE COURTHOUSE, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER SURROUNDING AREA? COMMUNITY POLICING, VISIBILITY, DOWNTOWN AREA SOME OF THEM NEED TO BE PARKED AWAY FROM THE COURTHOUSE SO THEY CAN GET EXERCISE AND LOSE WEIGHT, JUST LIKE THE (LAUGHING) I DON'T NEED TO BE PARKING THE COURTHOUSE. I NEED TO WALK. SO MY POINT IS THIS. IS THIS NECESSARY FOR SECURITY REASONS AS WELL AS OPERATIONS? ARE WE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT

CONVENIENT IS MY QUESTION? >> I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO BALANCE SEVERAL DIFFERENT NEEDS HERE. A, JORGEN A COOPERATIVE NATURE WITH THE COUNTY, B, TO IDENTIFY AND POTENTIALLY ELIMINATE SECURITY ISSUES, PHYSICAL BARRICADES ET CETERA ON THE WEST SIDE IS CLEAR. THE EAST SIDE SCENARIO IS MORE SUBJECTIVE. YOU TAKE THE PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU HAVE A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY THAT IS COMMISSIONERS -- JOHNSON SUGGESTING IS A DANGEROUS ACTIVITY FOR THESE FOLKS. IN TRYING TO GET THEM -- THEY ARE LITERALLY CARRYING YOUR GEAR THIS IS HOW IT WAS DESCRIBED TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY SHOWS UP TO WORK IN PLAINCLOTHES. THEY'RE GOING TO GO IN AND STAGE THEMSELVES. THEY ARE CARRYING AND GUN BELTS AND AMMUNITION AND ALL THE HARDWARE THAT THEY NEED TO CARRY WITH THEM. THEY ARE NOT IN UNIFORM ENTERING THE FACILITY. THEY ARE CHANGING AND TAKING ON THE REST OF THEIR WORKDAY OR THESE ARE VEHICLES THAT ARE IN TRANSITION FOR SOME REASON THIS DEPUTY HAS BUSINESS THAT NEEDS TO BE TENDED TO. THEY HAVE CONVENIENT PARKING.

THEY GET IN TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESS AND EXIT THE FACILITY. IT WAS MORE OF A COMBINATION

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IT WAS A BLEND. >> OKAY. I WAS A STRONG PROPONENT FOR INCLUDING THEM IN THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO UPSET ANYBODY BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPOIL THEM EITHER. WE'VE GOT OTHER PEOPLE WE WILL HAVE TO FACILITATE AND ACCOMMODATE. AND JUST LIKE THEY WERE COMPLAINING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT ALL THE PARKING SPACES AROUND THE COURTHOUSE ARE GOING TO BE SCARED BY THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CLERKS COMPLAINING AND IT WASN'T THAT WAY. WE ARE OPENING UP AN AVENUE. I JUST HOPE WE ARE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH IT. BUT JUST LOOKING AT THIS, WITH ALL THE PARKING SPACES BEING RESERVED FOR ONLY GREEN AND WHITES, I HOPE IT'S NEEDED. OTHERWISE I DON'T SEE WILLIAM 14 SPACES. -- I'M

SORRY. >> COMMISSIONER PER OWNER. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE AREA RIGHT HERE IN THE SPACES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO RESERVE, IF YOU LET YOUR I MOVE BOTH WAYS YOU CAN SEE AMPLE PARKING AVAILABLE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

IT IS NOT RESTRICTIVE. AND I THINK MAJOR CHRIS CISCO CAME HERE AND REALLY PUT -- IT WASN'T JUST A GUESS. HE HAD AN ISSUE WITH EVERYTHING GOING DOWN AND EXPLAINED TO THE NTH DEGREE WHY THIS WAS REQUIRED AND NEEDED AND IT MADE SENSE. AND SO, IF THIS WAS OUT BY ITSELF, IT DIDN'T HAVE PARKING FACILITIES ON BOTH SIDES, I MEAN, THERE IS ABUNDANCE OF PARKING IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. SO WE THOUGHT, AS A GROUP, THAT THIS WAS AN EASY CONSOLATION FOR US TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

IT'S ONLY DURING THE TIME THAT THE COURTHOUSE IS ACTIVE. AND AFTER THAT, IT BECOMES REGULAR

PUBLIC PARKING. >> HE'S IN CHARGE OF THE JAIL.

>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, YOU ASKED REGARDING THE CLERKS OFFICE, THE FIRST MEETING FROM THE COUNTY, WE GOT A SENSE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL PARTIES AT THE TABLE, THAT WE NEEDED ADDITIONAL PEOPLE SPEAKING ON DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE OPERATION. I THINK THE GOAL WAS TO WALK AWAY FROM THE FOLLOW-UP MEETING THAT EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO HEAR FROM ONE THIRD PARTY THAT SAYS I WASN'T INCLUDED. IN THE CLERK OR REPRESENTATIVES WERE THERE. SO THEY DEFINITIVELY GIVE THEIR OPINION. THEY WERE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MEASURE THAT THE COMMISSIONERS ALREADY PASSED TO NOT ENFORCE PARKING ON COURT DAYS. THAT SATISFY THEIR CONCERN. BUT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, WE GOT EVERYTHING TO THE TABLE SO WE WOULD NOT HERE SNIPING FURTHER DOWN THE LINE. WE WERE COMFORTABLE. EVERYBODY HAD THE ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE AND EVEN TO THE POINT THAT WE HAD THE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT PERSON COMMAND AND HIS NAME -- I DO NOT RECALL, BUT HE WAS KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE OPERATIONS. THEY HAD DEDICATED STATIONS TO THE GARAGE AS WELL.

WE WERE HAPPY THAT THERE WAS A COUNTY PARTICIPATION IN THIS AS WELL.

>> WHAT WAS THAT YOU SAID? MORE IMPORTANT DURING COURT DAYS?

>> THE COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY PULLED A MODIFICATION TO THE DOWNTOWN PARKING ENFORCEMENT I BELIEVE ON THE COURT DATES WHEN IT IS A JURY CALL. IF YOU RECOLLECT, THAT WAS A MONTH OR TWO AGO. THAT'S WHAT THE CLERKS ISSUE WAS PRIMARILY THAT. SO, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD WORKING GROUP TO COME TO SOME CONSENSUS. ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD POINT OUT AND I THINK COMMISSIONER SESSIONS IS HITTING AN IMPORTANT POINT HERE. WE TRY TO BE SENSITIVE TO OTHER USERS IN THE AREAS. WE KNOW FORTHCOMING, FOR EXAMPLE THE BOSTON HOUSES GOING TO RENOVATION FOR SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USE MOVING FORWARD. WE DID NOT DEDICATE THE SPACES LOCATED IN THEIR FACILITY. WE TRIED TO ANTICIPATE BUT ONE OVERSTAYING THIS IS NOT A PERMANENT DEDICATION. IF IT'S OBSERVED THAT IS BEING USED REGULARLY AND SOME ARE NOT, THE PARKING COMMITTEE CAN BRING THIS BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

>> THE OTHER FACTORS COME INTO PLAY, WE ARE RE-UPPING THE STUDY. THAT'S GOING TO COME

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THE USAGE OF THE PARKING. >> WHILE ON THAT TOPIC AUDREY CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE WHETHER WALKING -- WALKER PARK IS UPDATED.

>> THE WALKER CONSULTANT, THE CITY REPRESENTATIVES HAVE MET THEM FOR OUR KICKOFF MEETING.

AT OUR MEETING LAST WEEK WITH THE PARKING COMMITTEE, WHAT THEY DECIDED TO DO WAS.

>> WOULD YOU PULLED MY CLOSER PLEASE.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEIR RECORDING HEARS YOU.

>> THE PARKING COMMITTEE DECIDED TO INVITE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE A PART OF THE STUDY. WE INVITED REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE FORT PIERCE SOUTH BEACH ASSOCIATION, THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ALLIANCE, AND THAT WE HAD SOME REPRESENTATIVES ON OUR BOARD WHO HAVE BUSINESSES IN THE PEACOCK ART DISTRICT. THE COMMITTEE DID THAT SO THAT THEY COULD BRING THOSE DISTRICTS INTO THE CONVERSATION. WE HAVE PROVIDED THE WALKER CONSULTANTS WITH THOSE REPRESENTATIVES AND I'VE IDENTIFIED THE LIST OF INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL BE REACHING OUT TO AS A PART OF THE STUDY. THEY ARE ANTICIPATE THAT THE STUDY WILL BE COMPLETED SOMETIME 20/20 IN NOVEMBER. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

AND I THINK THE LAST DISCUSSION THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THOSE PARTICULAR DISTRICTS THAT WILL ALSO BE INCLUDED AND CONSIDERED FOR THE WALKER CONSULTANTS. SO WE ARE MOVING

AHEAD. >> IN THE ESSENCE OF THAT MEETING WAS TO ONCE AGAIN BUILD CONSENSUS, GET EVERYBODY THAT HAS AN ISSUE, TO THE TABLE SO ALL OF THIS CAN BE DEALT WITH COMPREHENSIVELY AND NOT PIECEMEAL. THE CONSENSUS IS THAT THE WALKER PARKER STUDY IS A MASSIVELY DETAILED DOCUMENT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO DIGEST AND SET DIRECTION ON. HAVING THESE OTHER FOLKS IN THAT DISCUSSION AT THE OUTSET IS SOMEWHAT OF A CRITICAL NATURE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS AND CANDIDLY, THEY WERE EXCITED TO HEAR SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON AROUND TOWN THAT WAS GOING TO STRESS THE PARKING SITUATION AND MAKE IT MORE IN THE LIMELIGHT MOVING FORWARD. SO IT WAS A VERY GOOD MEETING

AND VERY PRODUCTIVE. >> DO YOU WANT TO GO ON TO

NUMBER TWO. >> THE PARKING COMMITTEE.

>> MADAM MAYOR? >> THIS CONCERNING THE PARKING GARAGES WITH THE CITY AND COUNTY, WE CAN SEE MODERN-DAY TECHNOLOGY SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE SOME TYPE OF INDICATOR SAYING THE GARAGE IS FULL I FEEL LIKE WHEN THEY INFORMED THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IS NOT ONLY THE ADMINISTRATION THAT THE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO AND THEY JUST CAN'T FIND A PARKING SPACE YOU SEE IT'S AVAILABLE AWARE YOU KNOW? LIKE YOU GIVE SOME TYPE

OF INDICATORS. >> THAT TOPIC WAS SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED AT THE PARKING COMMITTEE MEETING WITH REPRESENTATIVES IN THE COUNTY.

IN THE GAME PLAN MOVING FORWARD IS THAT THEY'RE AWARE THAT THE PARKING STUDY IS COMING OUT IN THE CITY IS GOING TO BE RELYING ON THAT. BUT IT WAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AT THE END OF THE MEETING THAT THE COUNTY AND CITY WOULD BE WORKING IN TANDEM TO IDENTIFY AVAILABLE PARKING IN EACH OF THEIR GARAGES. IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT IF AN RFP WAS BEING PUT UP BY THE CITY THE COUNTY WOULD PIGGYBACK ON THAT OR VICE VERSA. THE COUNTY WOULD PUT ONE OUT IN THE CITY WOULD PIGGYBACK ON THAT TO GET THE BEST ACADEMIC DEAL POSSIBLE FOR WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO. AND SO YES. THAT IS FULLY CONTEMPLATED THAT THAT WILL BE WORKED ON JOINTLY MOVING

FORWARD. >> THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: PROCEED. >> ITEM NUMBER TWO IS -- THERE WAS A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ALLIANCE AS WELL AS EVERYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE RELATIVE TO ENFORCEMENT. THE CURRENT TWO HOUR PARKING MAXIMUM THE

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SUGGESTIONS MOVING FORWARD. >> THAT IS STILL HAPPENING.

>> FULL-TIME PARKING? >> THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT

CURRENTLY. >> THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE BEYOND ENFORCEMENT, THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO INSIST ON PARKING 24 HOURS AND IS PART

TWO SPOT. >> UNFORTUNATELY YES. AND THAT TIES UP NOBODY WANTS TO PARK AT THE FRONT DOOR. YOU CAN PARK AT THE FRONT DOOR. BUT THOSE SPACES ARE MEANT TO TURN OVER. AN OCCUPYING EMPLOYEE -- IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ALLIANCE SUPPORTS THIS. THIS WILL HELP US.

>> THEIR POSITION WAS CLEAR ON THAT.

>>. >> IN THAT SAME VEIN, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION THAT THEY EXTENDED THE HOURS PASSED TO TO TUNE OUT THREE HOURS. THIS MATTER WAS DISCUSSED AT LENGTH IN THE COMMITTEE SAID NO WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT THE BUSINESS IS OPERATING FOR. THEY WANT TURNOVER. AND QUICK IN AND OUT TYPE THING. THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFICALLY SAID WE WANT TO KEEP A TWO HOUR PARKING PLACE. WE DO NOT WANT TO

EXPAND THAT. >> A QUICK COMMENT IN THE COMPLAINTS THAT I HAVE HAD IS WHEN YOU COME DOWNTOWN TO HAVE A LUNCH OR A MEAL AND THEN YOU WANT TO DO SOME ANCILLARY SERVICES OR GO TO ANOTHER BUSINESS WHILE YOU ARE THERE, THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO LIVE -- TO A COUPLE THINGS AT ONCE. THEY FOUND A PARKING SPACE AND IT DOESN'T TAKE ME LONG TO GET A HAIRCUT, BUT OTHERS MAY TAKE LONGER. AND SO THEN YOU WANT TO EAT A MEAL AFTER THAT HAIRCUT.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD THAT BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I GET.

>> THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN. I'LL COME BACK TO MEMS COMMENTS. THE GARAGE IS ALWAYS A OPPORTUNITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. ONCE AGAIN THE TRANSIENT NATURE OF THE PARKING IS THE CRITICAL COMPONENT TO OUR REQUIREENTS. IT'S NOT BEING ENFORCED CURRENTLY AND YOU HAVE A BUDGET CONCERN TO DEAL WITH. SO WE WILL JUST DUMP THAT BACK IN YOUR LAP.

>> SAID DEALS WITH THE PARKING SPACES. AND WHATEVER THAT PERCENTAGE IS ON ON STREET PARKING VERSUS THE FREE PARKING IT SEEMS TO BE LIMITED ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS. 15, 20 PERCENT MAX OF ON STREET PARKING IN A TWO HOUR LABEL SPOT VERSUS 80 PERCENT BEING AVAILABLE IN A PARKING GARAGE OR IN A FLAT SURFACE LOT.

>> IS OR SOMETHING THAT WAS FREAKY.

>>. >> THAT AMERICREDIT IS WE -- WE DID AGREE TO COMMUNITY POLICING AND DOWNTOWN IS FDR A, RIGHT?

>> MASK MR. MIMS -- (INDISCERNIBLE) --

>> ALREADY. >> I WILL LEAVE THAT ONE ALONE.

(LAUGHING). >> OKAY. SO THAT WRAPS UP THAT SECTION. ONE OF THE ITEMS Ã BUT BEFORE I GET OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, I WILL JUMP TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR IN THAT THE PARTNER COMMITTEE AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS FOLKS, CHEYENNE HELMS HAS ALSO BEEN LIAISON WITH THAT GROUP, VERY EFFECTIVELY. THERE HAS BEEN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION SETTING UP 15 MINUTES PARKING WERE LOADING AND UNLOADING ZONES AND DOWNTOWN. IN THE COMMITTEE IS INCLINED TO GO AROUNDALONG WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. THE PLAN IS GOING TO BE PUT TOGETHER BY CHEYENNE IN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS FOLKS TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO THE PARKING COMMITTEE TO SAY THIS IS WHERE WE THINK THE AREA SHOULD BE DESIGNATED. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS

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FUTURE. >> AND THE HATCH PARKING LOADING ZONES -- NOT PARKING ZONES -- LOADING ZONES, ARE BEING USED FOR PARKING ALSO.

THERE ARE FOLKS THAT PARKING THEM FOR MULTIPLE HOURS AND THEY HAVE SOME LOADING AND UNLOADING TO DO, HOWEVER THEY'VE GOT UNLOADING AND LOADING TO DO IN TWO HOURS SO THEY STAY THERE UNTIL IT'S TIME TO DO LAST WEEK'S LOADING AND UNLOADING.

>> IS AN ISSUE. YOU SEE THE TRUCKS PARKED IN THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO GO. SO IF THE LOADING ZONES AND PARKING ARE PUT ENFORCE IT WILL ELIMINATE THAT IS A PARKING ISSUE OR A TRAFFIC ISSUE. IT SOLVES PROBLEMS. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO GET THE

INFORMATION BACK. HIM. >> WHEN I WAS DOING DELIVERY, I KNOW THAT YOU CAN DO UPS LIKE THAT, BUT SOME OF THOSE VENDORS THAT -- WHEN THEY PARKING THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET COMMENTS DANGEROUS. EVEN FOR THE PEDESTRIANS.

>> HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WENT BACK TO THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE ABOUT TO GET A BETTER INPUT FROM THE CONSUMER STANDPOINT. AND THEY ASSURED US THERE GOING TO GIVE US INFORMATION BACK. I WOULD EXPECT INFORMATION BACK SOON.

>> HE BRING SOMEBODY IMPORTANT POINT. AS FAR AS DOWNTOWN AREA IS CONCERNED AND DELIVERY AND THE VENDORS COMING IN. THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT I BELIEVE CONVENIENCE FOR THEM MAKES THEM FEEL THAT THEY CAN JUST DISOBEY THE LAW TOTALLY. I DON'T KNOW HOW WERE DEREGULATED, BUT THAT'S A PROBLEM. THERE WAS NOTHING WORSE THAN TO HAVE A DELIVERY TRUCK HOLDING TRAFFIC UP DOWNTOWN FOR 20 MINUTES ALWAYS MAKING DELIVERIES IN A STORE. AND THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO REGULATE IT. I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM AND I HEAR THE COMPLAINT AND THEN ONE OTHER THAT HAPPENS QUITE A BIT.

>> IN ADDRESSING IT IN THIS FASHION WITH INPUT THAT FOLKS ARE USING NO SERVICE, GETTING INTHE DELIVERIES IS CRITICAL COMING UP WITH A PLAN THAT IS WORKABLE INSTEAD OF JUST HITTING IT WITH A HAMMER. LET'S COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR THE DOWNTOWN

BUSINESS FOLKS AND CUSTOMERS. >> -- A CONFERENCE CALL.

>> EVENTUALLY SOMEBODY'S CAN HAVE AN ACCIDENT BECAUSE IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT. IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

THE PARKING COMMITTEE HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH A VARIETY OF FUNCTIONS HERE. ONE OF THEM IS WHEN A WALK-UP PARKING STUDY HITS THE DESK. IT'S GOING TO BE ALL HANDS ON DECK TO DIVE INTO THAT AND REALLY START CHURNING WORKOUT FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO REVIEW. HAVING SAID THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH CLEAN UP THESE -- THESE FESTERING PROBLEMS AND WE FEEL THAT WERE MAKING PROGRESS THERE BECAUSE ONCE THE REPORT HITS THE CITY MANAGERS OFFICE, IT WILL BE BUSY. WE ARE EXPECTING LARGER -- HE'S GOT NOTHING TO DO RIGHT NOW.

(LAUGHING). >> HE'S GOING TO SAY HERE IS YOUR REPORT. HAVE FUN WITH IT.

>> OKAY. I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK SO WE CAN MOVE ALONG TO YOUR OTHER BUSINESS.

ONE ITEM THAT CAME UP FOR DISCUSSION IS THE NECESSITY FOR INCREASING DOWNTOWN PARKING IN DOING SO ON AN ECONOMICALLY COST-EFFECTIVE FORMAT AS POSSIBLE. ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WAS MADE -- IN THIS WAS MADE BY ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS AT THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS WAS CONVERTING GAZEBO PARK WHICH IS GREEN SPACE CURRENTLY DOWNTOWN. IN TWO SURFACE PARKING. IN THE METHODOLOGY FOR DOING SO WAS TO USE SOME TYPE OF PERVIOUS MATERIALS, PAPERS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE IN TRYING TO KEEP THE COST DOWN.

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THEY WERE JUST SAYING THEY MIGHT JUST BRING IT UP TO EVERYBODY AND LAY IT OUT THERE TO SAY THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT. SINCE THIS DISCUSSION TOOK PLACE I'VE HAD FEEDBACK SAYING IT IS AN AWFUL IDEA, ET CETERA THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS SIMPLE. TAKING THIS AREA OF THE DOWNTOWN AND TURNING IT INTO A MULTIFUNCTIONAL CAPABILITY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN USE IT FOR PARKING. YOU CAN USE IT FOR EVENTS LIKE THE SATURDAY MORNING MARKETS. YOU COULD USE IT FOR ANY VENDOR TYPE OF PROMOTIONS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE AND ANYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING DOWNTOWN, THIS SPACE COULD BE DEDICATED FOR THAT TYPE OF USE. SO THE THOUGHT WAS TO ADOPT A PARKING -- ADDITIONAL PARKING BY UTILIZING THIS AREA BUT KEEP IT FOR WHAT IT IS THEREFORE NOW THAT IS THE MULTI- FUNCTIONAL VENDOR OUTDOOR ORCHID SCENARIOS THAT CANDIDLY, OR SUCCESSFUL EVERY SATURDAY. THE BOAT WAS THE PROPERTY IS THERE. IT PROBABLY COULD BE CONVERTED REASONABLY COSTLY EFFECTIVE. MIKE CAME INTO OUR LAST MEETING AND GAVE US AN OVERVIEW OF HOW HE WOULD SUGGEST APPROACHING IT. HE WAS GOING TO GET WITH THE CITY ENGINEER TO HAVE A BACK OF A NAPKIN TYPE ESTIMATION AS TO THE NET GAIN OF PARKING AND WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS AS TO HOW TO BEST CONVERT THIS INTO THE MOST ECONOMIC WAY POSSIBLE. AT THIS JUNCTURE WE ARE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, SIMPLY STATING THAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. SO KEEP IT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND AS YOU ARE CRUISING THROUGH DOWNTOWN. LOOK AT THE FUNCTIONALITY VERSUS VIRTUALLY IT IS EXCLUSIVE USE CURRENTLY WHICH IS ON SATURDAYS.

THEN, WE HAVE THE FLIP SIDE OF THE DEBATE WHICH WAS LOOK, IT IS A DOWNTOWN PARK. WE WANT TO KEEP IT AS GREEN AREA FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE. THERE ARE A VARIETY OF INTERESTS THAT ARE GOING TO COME FORWARD AS THIS DISCUSSION PRECEDES FURTHER ALONG. IT IS AN IDEA TO CONCEPT. I HEARD A BUNCH OF NEGATIVES AND SOME POSITIVES.

WE ARE HOPING THAT THERE WOULD BE A NET GAIN OF 30, 35 SPACES BUT WE DON'T KNOW.

>> BEN. >> IRAN -- MR. PERRONE FIRST AND THEN YOU COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

>> WE ARE CAUTIONED BY THE FACT THAT WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE WALKER STUDY BECAUSE IS GOING TO SHOW THE DEMAND ON THIS BECAUSE I THINK IF A LITTLE CHILL DID NOT GO BACK BY TAKING AWAY GREEN SPACE, THE ONLY TIME YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT IS WHEN YOU HAVE NO OTHER OPTION. SO IT'S FUNNY. WE GET OUR DISCUSSIONS ON THESE ISSUES, GO TO THE POINT AND SAY THANK GOD WE ARE HAVING THIS STUDY DONE BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEELING THAT A LOT OF OUR SUSPICIONS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT ON THE ORGAN BE PUT ON THE RIGHT TRAIL.

>>. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. MY ONLY COMMENT WAS I'M NOT NEGATIVE ABOUT THE THOUGHTS, BUT I'M JUST POSITIVE ABOUT YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT COME OUT AND TO UNDERSTAND DEAL WITH OUR CITY JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT OPEN SPACE. SO MANY PEOPLE -- WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE PRICE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WERE GOING TO TURN INTO A PARKING LOT BECAUSE WHEN THE RADISSON PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED AND NOW IT'S A PARKING LOT. THERE'S TOO MUCH MONEY TO BE WASTED ON A PARKING LOT. BUT WE HAD ENOUGH PARKING SPACE -- THAT WAS NOT A PROBLEM. IT'S JUST THE CONVENIENCE OF

DOWNTOWN. >> RIGHT.

>> A LITTLE CONFUSED ON HOW WE ARE APPOACHING THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> I AGREE. I AGREE WITH ALL

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WHERE'S THE ADDITIONAL SPACE? THIS PARKING GARAGE IS 465 SPAKE IN -- SPACES? SO IF YOU CAN CREATE THAT AGAIN IN ANOTHER CENTRALLY LOCATED FACILITY, THAT WE ARE DOING OURSELVES A FAVOR AS FAR AS PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE. SO I KNOW I GOT OFF THE FACT OF OUR GREEN SPACE, BUT I LIKE THE GREEN SPACE. I LOVE THE GREEN SPACE ACTUALLY. THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY GREEN SPACE THAT IS LEFT OUTSIDE OF A COUPLE PARCELS OVER -- WILL NOT THERE ANYMORE. SECOND STREET IS NOT THERE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE MUSEUM AREA. BACCHUS MUSEUM AREA. THAT IS CITY-OWNED. EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRIVATELY OWNED. I'D LIKE TO PRESERVE THOSE SPACES AND IS NOT CENTRAL PARK OF FORT PIERCE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: IT IS. BUT IT'S NOT VERY MUCH IMPROVED.

>> IS NOT IMPROVED AT ALL. AND IT IS USED HEAVILY EVERY SATURDAY WITH THE CRAFT MARKET.

EVEN IF WE TRY TO DO IMPROVEMENTS IN TERMS OF -- WHAT WE CAN TO IRRIGATE THE WATER EXCEPT ON TUESDAYS AND FRIDAYS PROMPTS.

>> WILL MAKE IT BROWN. >> SO, IN A WAY, IT'S GREEN SPACE, BUT IT'S NOT TERRIBLY ATTRACTIVE. IT'S JUST GREEN SPACE. SO IT'S -- THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT.

>> IF YOU THINK OF A -- THERE IS A DEPICTION IN THE CITY MANAGERS OFFICE OF DIVISION FOR THAT AREA, IS SPELLED OUT. THERE'S AN ARTISTS RENDERING. THUS THE LIBRARY SITE.

>> THAT THE ORIGINAL LIBRARY BEFORE THE NEW LIBRARY?

>> SO IF YOU LOOK, THERE'S A VIEW FROM THE RIVER LOOKING AT THE PERSPECTIVE OF DOWNTOWN AND IT IS A RENDERING THAT SHOWS BUILDINGS. ANNA LOOKS SIMILAR IN NATURE TO THE LIBRARY AND

THE RENAISSANCE BUILDING. >> OKAY.

>> SO THERE IS A DOCUMENT. I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY A PLANNING DOCUMENT, IF I'M NOT

MISTAKEN. >> I AGREE -- IT'S A LOT.

>> WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE PROSPECT OF A PARKING GARAGE IN THE JCPENNEY LOT. WHAT IS ITS

LATEST? >> BISTRO.

>> FOR THE YOUNGER GENERATION. THOSE THAT BEEN AROUND.

>> AT THAT PORTION WE ASKED THEM TO GO UPSTAIRS AND GET THE CHECKBOOK AND WE JUST DISBAND THE PARKING COMMITTEE. HE DID NOT COME BACK (LAUGHING).

>> JOHN GOT HOLD OF THEM THAT DAY.

>> (LAUGHING). >> REASON PREVAILED (LAUGHING).

>> ALL RIGHT. >> THAT'S IT.

>> OKAY. SO AS A RESULT OF THIS, YOU WANT INPUT, PARTICULARLY ON ONE? IS THAT.

>> YES. >> SO, I'M INCLINED TO TRY TO COOPERATE WITH THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT I'M CONCERNED WITH WHAT MR. MIMS BROUGHT UP ABOUT PERSONAL CARS PARKED IN THOSE SPACES. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF PERSONAL.

>> WHAT I MIGHT SUGGEST, WHY DON'T WE GET FULL CLARIFICATION. AUDREY ARE YOU.

>> WELL THE SUGGESTION IS THAT ARE RELATED TO POSSIBLY SIGNAGE THAT WOULD BE RESERVED PARKING AND IT WOULD NOT INDICATE THAT IT WOULD BE LAW ENFORCEMENT PARKING.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS RESERVED SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

>> WELL WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE MAJOR HE SUGGESTED IT, BUT YES, THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE USED BY INDIVIDUALS IN THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES BECAUSE

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>> WE NEED CLARIFICATION. >> DEFINITELY.

>> IDENTICAL HE WOULD NOT ADVISE THAT. IF WE START RESERVING PERSONAL PARKING SPACES, THAT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM.

>> WHY DON'T THEY COME TO WORK IN THE UNIFORM? IS THAT SOMETHING SO OBVIOUS I'M NOT

UNDERSTANDING? >> OR PERSONAL VEHICLES.

THEY'RE NOT DRIVING -- COURTHOUSE DEPUTIES DO NOT DRIVE MARKED VEHICLES TO THE COURTHOUSE. THEY DRIVE THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES AND CARRY IN THEIR UNIFORM.

>> THEY CAN'T DRIVE THERE PERSONAL UNIFORMS IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME?

>> YOU RAISE THE QUESTION I MIGHT SUGGEST, IF YOU WOULD CARE TO -- WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE -- WE CLEARLY UNDERSTAND AND WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING SO THAT WE KNOW IF WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IT. WE DIDN'T THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> WILL GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO AT THE NEXT MEETING.

>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT AND WE MAY HAVE MAJOR CECILE BACK. HE'S PART OF THE STANDING

COMMITTEE NOW. >> BEFORE WE LEAVE THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THE NOMENCLATURE ON THE SIGNAGE SOME KIND OF A RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE JUST LIVE IN A DIFFERENT WORLD TODAY. YOU CAN SAY IS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND I HEAR YOUR RESERVATION, MR. MIMS BUT IS THAT THE MOST APPROPRIATE THING TO PUT ON THE SIDE? I DON'T KNOW. I'M HESITANT IN SAYING THAT. THE JUDGES I CAN TELL YOU NOW DO NOT PUT THIS PAIN. I AM JUDGE THIS IS WHOEVER. THEY WILL REMOVE IT. IT'S A SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENT AN ISSUE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EMOTIONS AND LIVES BEING CHANGED AT THAT MOMENT AT THE COMPLEX. FOLKS ARE GOING TO HAVE RESERVATION IS HOW THE SIGNAGE IS.

>> AND WE WANT THE MOST SECURE POSSIBLE.

>> THE CITY WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE THE SIGNAGE. WHATEVER THE FINAL SOLUTION IS, BUT LET'S GET THOSE TWO QUESTIONS -- FINITELY. AS TO HOW THE SIGNAGE IS GOING TO READ. AT THE DISCUSSION POINT, WE WILL GET THAT DEFINED FOR YOU ALL.

>> ANYTHING ELSE. >> I SPOKE OUT EARLIER. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THE ISSUE REGARDING ON THE STREET DELIVERIES. AGAIN, IN A LOT OF CITIES, WHERE THERE IS CONGESTION, THEY EVEN HAVE SIGNS NOW. GO DOWN TO PALM BEACH TO MIAMI. NO LONG STREET DELIVERIES. WE NEEDED MORE THAN THEY DO. THEY HAVE N ALTERNATE LANE. AND THOSE DELIVERIES JUST BECAUSE A LAW OF CONFUSION IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, TRYING TO LOOK AROUND, CAN SEE, ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT THERE HOLDING UP 15, 20 MINUTES WHILE THEY'RE GOING IN THERE DELIVERING SOMETHING, A FLORIST OR WHOEVER IT MAY BE.

PLEASE LOOK INTO THAT. >> CLEARLY. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH THE DOWNTOWN ALLIANCE TO GIVE US INFORMATION ON. THE CURRENT -- CURRENTLY THE LOADING ZONES THAT WERE INSTALLED HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

THEY'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND THAT AND SOLIDIFY THE PLAN. WE WILL GET THE INFORMATION ON THESE ITEMS WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND I WILL BRING YOU UP TO DATE WITH THAT. SO I

WILL BE BACK. >>MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD. VERY

GOOD. MR. MIMS? >> WE DO HAVE THREE CURRENT LOADING ZONES IN DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE. ONE IS IN THE JCPENNEY PARKING LOT. WE HAVE A NEW LOADING ZONE ON ORANGE AVENUE. I HAVE SEEN DELIVERY DELIVERY TRUCK STOP. SO LIKE MR. BRODRICK STATED THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT EDUCATION OR INSTRUCTION

ON THE PART OF THE CONSUMER. >>MAYOR HUDSON: BUSINESSES,

YES. >> THAT ARE RECEIVING THESE PROJECTS ARE DIRECTING THEM TO THE ZONES. IT'S MUCH EASIER TO STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AND DRO OFF A WALK ACROSS THE STREET THAT IT WAS TO WALK A BLOCK. AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S

ABOUT. >> TIME IS MONEY.

>> FORT PIERCE DOES NOT HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM.

>> I THINK THAT IS EXCELLENT. ABSOLUTELY.

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>> THANK YOU BOTH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK WE APPRECIATE IT.

[d. Discussion on the results of the Animal Shelter RFP.]

>> THE NEXT ITEM IS A DISCUSSION ON THE ANIMAL RESULTS.

>> AN ITEM WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR. (LAUGHING).

>> WE HAVE ARCO COMPLIANCE MANAGER WAS GOING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE SAVANNA ROAD SHELTER THAT WE RECENTLY COMPLETED, A JOINT PARTICIPATION PROJECT ON THE REHABILITATION OF THAT -- ALONG WITH AN UPDATE ON THE RFP RESULTS STEMMING FROM OUR TO EFFORTS TO SEEK RESPONSES TO OPERATE THE SHELTER. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO PEGGY AT THIS

TIME. >> GOOD MORNING MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ITEMS TO TALK ABOUT BUT THE FIRST THING WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE STATUS OF THE SHELTER REHABILITATION. I HAVE A QUICK PICTURE -- I WANTED TO BRING IT UP. TO SHOW YOU THE CURRENT STATUS. I'VE BEEN SHOWING YOU PICTURES OF THE REHABILITATION HAS BEEN GOING ALONG, THESE THREE PICTURES ARE FOR BUILDING B AS IN BOY. ALL OF THE FENCING HAS BEEN DONE. THE PAINTING HAS BEEN DONE. THE AIR CONDITIONING ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER. THE OTHER TWO PHOTOS ARE THE BACK ROOM. IT WAS BATHING ROOM, THE FOOD PREPARATION ROOM IN THE WASHROOM. THE PICTURE ON THE TOP RIGHT-HAND CORNER IS MY MOST EXCITING PICTURE BECAUSE I USED TO BE WHERE THE WASHERS AND DRYERS WERE WITH THE ELECTRIC WAS RUNNING ACROSS THE TUB AND I WAS SO EXCITED TO SEE THAT THAT I GOT COMPLETED. SO THIS IS BUILDING B, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY COMPLETE. THERE ARE PUNCHLIST ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE DONE BUT THAT IS PRETTY MUCH DONE. THESE ARE EXTERIOR SHOTS. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING BEING ALL OF THE SCREENING HAS BEEN REPLACED ON ALL OF THE BUILDINGS. SO THE EXTERIOR RUNS FOR ALL THE DOGS HAVE BEEN SCREENED ON THE TOP RIGHT-HAND CORNER WITH THE DOOR AS A PLAYER IT HAS BEEN SCREENED. AND ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN REPLACED AND ALL THE PAINTING HAS BEEN DONE ON THE EXTERIOR. ALL THE ROTTEN WOOD HAS BEEN REPLACED. TOP LEFT AND PICTURE THERE'S A NEW AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM IN THE GARAGE AREA. THIS IS ALL DONE.

WE NEED LANDSCAPING AND THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE'S SOME THINGS TO MAKE IT PRETTIER, BUT THE WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED AS FAR AS 3M.

>> THIS IS INSIDE THE GARAGE. IT WAS THE OLD CATCHUP ROOM. WE STILL HAD SOME UNIT CAGES IN THEIR THAT ARE BEING USED FOR ISOLATION. IN THE GARAGE SIDE IS EMPTY. IT IS CLEANED AND

EMPTY. >> DO YOU HAVE A BEFORE-AND-AFTER SO WE COULD SEE? A COMPARISON FOR EACH.

>> I HAVE 350 PICTURES. I COULD BE HERE ALL DAY LONG (LAUGHING).

>> I REMEMBER SOME OF THE OLD. >> THEY WERE VIVID.

>> YES. LET'S BE MORE AND HAPPY TO DO IT FULL I WAS TRYING TO KEEP IT JUST THE NEW STUFF RIGHT NOW. SO I'M SORRY THESE PICTURES CAME OUT FUZZY. I WAS SO EXCITED TO TAKE THE PICTURES I WAS PROBABLY SHAKING A LITTLE BIT.

THIS ROOM USED TO BE THE EU ROOM THAT'S WHERE YOUTH DONATIONS WERE DONE AND HAD A

BIG FREEZER IN IT. >> THIS ONE ROOM HAS BEEN GUTTED AND IS NOW A MULTIPURPOSE MEETING TYPE ROOM. THEY PUT A WOOD FLOORING. IT'S BRIAN PRETTY UNITS CAN BE USED FOR SOMETHING POSITIVE. MAYBE I WAS SHAKING THAT MADE THEM FUZZY. I WAS SO EXCITED. ALMOST DONE. YOU CAN SEE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF PUNCH WORK LEFT TO BE DONE. THIS IS BUILDING A, WHICH IS STILL BEING WORKED ON. THE FENCING IS BEING PUT IN, BUT THE AC AND THE HVAC HAS BEEN COMPLETED. BUT THIS IS THE LAST BUILDING TO BE DONE AND I'M EXPECTING IT TO BE DONE BY OCTOBER 1. I EXPECT THE ENTIRE PROJECT OTHER THAN PUNCHLIST ITEMS TO BE COMPLETED BY OCTOBER 1.

THIS IS INSIDE THE MAIN BUILDING. THIS IS WHERE THINGS ARE BEING USED. THE LEFT AND RIGHT PHOTOS ARE -- OOMS THAT WERE NOT USED BUT THEY WERE OFFICE ROOMS BACK WHEN THE HUMANE SOCIETY WAS THERE. THE MIDDLE IS OUR CURRENT-ACCOUNT ROOM. THERE ARE KITTENS AND CATS IN ALL OF THOSE BOXES. WE HAVE SOME OF THESE SMALL DOGS GO TO THE RIGHT SIDE AND ON THE LEFT SIDE IS THE OVERFLOW. THIS IS BEING USED AS PART OF OUR SHELTERING OPERATIONS RIGHT

NOW. >> REFRESH MY MEMORY, THIS WAS A JOINT PROJECT WITH THE CITY AND COUNTY TOGETHER.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> PEGGY?

>> YE, SIR. >> THOSE CAGES -- I DON'T SEE

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>> THERE WERE NO DRAINS IN THESE ROOMS. THOSE TRAINS ARE IN THE DONGLE RUNS. THESE ARE FOR THE SMALL DOGS AND CATS. THE CATS HAVE LITTER BOXES. YOU CAN CLEAN THESE BOXES WITHOUT TOO MUCH TROUBLE. YOU DO NOT NEED THE DRAINS. IN THE DOG RUNS, THEY HAVE THE DRAINS

TO THE FLOOR. >> OKAY. I DIDN'T -- I DIDN'T

KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. >> YES.

>> SAID THEN THIS IS THE FRONT OF BUILDING C. THEY ARE NOT NEW, BUT NEWLY RENOVATED DROP BOXES. YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND SIDE THIS IS FOR ANIMAL CONTROL OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN THE BRINGING ANIMALS, THIS IS WHERE THEY WILL LEAVE THEM AT NIGHT. SO -- AND THEY HAVE BEEN REHABBED AND REDONE. THERE IS A LOCKBOX FOR THE SHERIFF AND POLICE DEPARTMENT TO USE AT NIGHT.

>> EXCUSE ME. >> DOES THE PUBLIC HAVE ACCESS

TO THE NIGHT BOX. >> KNOW YOU.

>> HOW COME? >> WE DO NONEXEMPT DROPS -- COUNTY OPERATIONS DO NOT ACCEPT DROPS FROM THE PUBLIC DIRECTLY. HE GOES TO ANIMAL CONTROL. IF YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL TO SURRENDER THE CALL GOES TO 911 AND AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER OR A DEPUTY OR POLICE OFFICER WILL RESPOND. RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE OPERATIONS ARE GOING, THERE

ARE NO PUBLIC DROP BOXES. >> -- I DO NOT WANT TO PROLONG IT, BUT JUST FOR SOCIETY, DO YOU NOT SEE THE BENEFIT OF DOING THAT WITH THE PUBLIC NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CALLING THE POLICE AND DOING THE PAPERWORK AND PEOPLE WOULD VOLUNTARILY COME IN AND DROP ANIMALS OFF. IF THERE IS A CAVEAT OR A PROBLEM

TO IT. >> IF AND WHEN WE HAVE THIRD PARTY OPERATING THE FACILITY, THAT IS THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD GO. BUT RIGHT NOW WITH THE COUNTY STAFF OPERATING IT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AS MUCH DETERRENT FOR DROP-OFFS AS WE CAN. SO WHEN YOU CALL IN THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER RESPONSIBLE LAST QUESTION. WHY IS IT THAT YOU NEED TO TURN THE COSTING -- DOGGING. WE CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. WE CAN ASSIST WITH ONE OF THE NEEDS SO WE CAN PUT YOU THROUGH TO THE RESCUE FOR THE DOGS. WE REALLY TRY AND WORK WITH THE PET OWNERS TO TRY AND FIND WHAT THEY ARE TURNING THE DOG IN ORDER ANIMAL -- I SHOULDN'T JUST SAY DOG -- AND POSSIBLY REDIRECTING THEM OR PROVIDING ASSISTANCE. REDUCING THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS GOING INTO THE SHELTER.

>> SO THAT IS THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE SHELTER. AS I STATED, I BELIEVE THAT THE REHABILITATION SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY OCTOBER 1 WITH SOME MINOR THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE MAY BE LANDSCAPING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT THE BULK OF THE REHABILITATION SHOULD BE FINISHED BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

>> MCNAMARA? >> YES AT.

>> THERE WAS A LIGHTING PROBLEM THAT WE HAD IN -- FLOODING PROBLEM. DID WE GET THAT

FIXED? >> I KNOW THAT IS BEING ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE HEARD ABOUT FLOODING IN BUILDING B DURING THE REHAB SO THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED. WHETHER OR NOT IT'S BEING FIXED COMPLETELY, I DON'T KNOW BUT I KNOW THERE'S DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE HAD HEAVY RAINS AND WE DID SEE FLOODING.

>> AM LOOKING THROUGH MY PICTURES FROM JANUARY 1. IT'S NIGHT AND DAY COMPARED TO

WHAT'S GOING ON. >> ABOUT THE SHACK IN THE BACK?

DID YOU KEEP THAT FOR? >> WE DID NOT KEEP THE SHACK IN

THE BACK. THAT ONE AWAY. >> ADDED THE OFFICE.

>> I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO BE -- MR. MIMS SHACK.

>> THE SHE SHED. >> A SHE SHED, YES.

>> IN FACT, ALL OF THE UNPERMITTED OUTBUILDINGS HAVE BEEN REMOVED. WE -- THAT'S A GREAT -- EVEN THE INSIDE -- HOPEFULLY, WE GET DYSFUNCTIONAL AND ONE THIRD PARTY IN THEIR RUNNING IT THE WAY THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO.

>> OF THE RFP THAT ONE OUT THIS MOST RECENT ONE, I'M NOT SURE WE COULD HAVE CHOSEN OR PLANNED FOR A WORST TIME TO PUT AN RFP ON THE STREET BUT IT WAS ON THE STREET DURING THE MONTH OF JULY WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS WAS THE ABSOLUTE WORST SEASON FOR COVID THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED AS

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THERE WERE ORGANIZATIONS ASKING QUESTIONS, SUBMITTING QUESTIONS FOR FEEDBACK. THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST IN THIS RFP WE BELIEVED RIGHT UP UNTIL THE WEEK IT WAS YOU THAT WE WOULD SEE MULTIPLE BIDS RECEIVED. AGAIN, BEING THE VERY LAST WEEK OF JUNE, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT ONE ORGANIZATION HAD A DIRECT IMPACT FROM COVID AS WELL AS A INDIRECT IMPACT WITH PEOPLE GETTING SICK. SO IT -- IT PLAYED A -- IT PLAYED A ROLE. NO PURCHASING DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE CONTACTING ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO SUBMITTED QUESTIONS AND SHOWED INTEREST FOR FORMAL FEEDBACK. WE -- I HAVE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT CHOSE NOT TO SUBMIT BIDS FOR INFORMAL FEEDBACK AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU TODAY.

OBVIOUSLY, COVID WAS NUMBER ONE. BECAUSE OF THAT, WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ASKING AN ORGANIZATION TO START UP A BUSINESS THAT RELIES ON FUNDRAISING AND DONATIONS, AND TO DO THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC IS A CHALLENGE. SO THAT WAS PROBABLY NUMBER ONE FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED. WHEN WE WROTE THE RFP, AGAIN, IT WAS PRE-COVID. BUT WE ALSO REQUIRED WHICHEVER ORGANIZATION WAS COMING IN TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC. ACTUALLY, WHEN I READ IT IT WAS IN THERE THREE TIMES THAT THEY HAD TO HAVE A LOW-COST SURGERY CENTER, THEY HAD TO HAVE RABIES SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC. SOME FEEDBACK I GOT WAS PERHAPS THE FACT THAT ALL OF THESE COMMENTS WILL COME BACK TO THE SAME THING PERHAPS WE SHOULD HAVE OFFERED IT ON A PHASED-IN METHODOLOGY. IN YEARS NUMBER ONE WE OPERATE THE BOX WE ARE IN NOW. GET YOUR FEET WET. GET YOURSELF ORGANIZED. YOUR NUMBER TO HAVE THIS EXPECTATION YEAR THREE THESE EXPECTATIONS PERHAPS ON A FIVE-YEAR STEPUP PHASE SO THAT BY YEAR FIVE YOU ARE FULLY OPERATIONAL WITH ALL OF THE ASPECTS THAT WE WANTED A FACILITY, MAYBE YEAR THREE OR FOUR BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A STEP UP TO ALLOW AN ORGANIZATION TO COME IN, GET ON THEIR FEET AND GET TO THE ROAD THAT WE WANT. THE RFP WAS WRITTEN FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS FULLY ORGANIZED WITH ALL THE FUNDING AND THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. AND THAT'S HOW THE RFP WAS WRITTEN. AND THOSE WERE REQUIREMENTS. IT WAS PUT IN THAT YOU MUST DO THIS, WHICH IS SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT.

THE REQUIREMENT TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT TO OFFER VETERINARY SERVICES TO OFFER SURGERY TO THE PUBLIC ARE ALL IN THAT FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED.

>> PEGGY? >> YES AT.

>> MY MAIN QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE PUT THAT IN THE RFP, WE DON'T GET ANY RESPONSES. I'M TOLD THAT THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR RUNNING THE SHELTER REQUIRED OF PUBLIC DROP-OFF AND TRY TO CONVINCE THE PUBLIC -- WHY ARE WE NOT INSISTING ON RUNNING THE SHELTER AS IT SHOULD BE RUN AND (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> I'M SORRY. I MISSED THE LAST SENTENCE.

>> AND TELLING THE INDIVIDUALS -- (INDISCERNIBLE) -- SO THAT WE -- ARE THESE -- ARE THE ORGANIZATIONS CARING FOR THE ANIMAL.

>> WELDING RFP PROCESS IS OPEN FOR ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SUBMIT AN RFP. IS NOT RESTRICTED TO ANY ONE TYPE OF ORGANIZATION OR PERSON. ANYBODY WAS INTERESTED IS ELIGIBLE TO SUBMIT ITS. AS FOR THE COUNTY RUNNING IT, THEY HAVE BEEN RUNNING SHELTER FOR ALMOST A FULL YEAR NOW. THAT'S NOT THE BEST SOLUTION. IT'S NOT THE SOLUTION THE CITY OR COUNTY IS LOOKING FOR. WERE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAS THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE IN RUNNING A SHELTER. DOING IT ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS -- IS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION. THE BEST SOLUTION IS TO GET AN ORGANIZATION WITH THIS TYPE OF KNOWLEDGE AND CAN FOCUS ON THIS. THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR BEST SOLUTION OVERALL.

>> HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO THINK AND TURN OUT TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY DON'T

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HAVE -- TO THE SHELTER. >> DOES THAT TAKE LONG? IT DON'T TAKE LONG FOR COMMUNITY TO BE INFECTED WITH WILD ANIMALS. I MEAN THAT'S WHAT IT

BECOMES. >> IN THE COUNTY -- THE COUNTY HAS DONE A GOOD JOB PARTNERING WITH SOME OF OUR LOCAL RESCUE ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. SO ALL INTAKE IS DONE THROUGH ANIMAL CONTROL AND ALL OUTTAKE IS DONE THROUGH OUR RESCUE GROUPS. RESCUE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEEN COMING IN AND TAKING ANIMALS OUT OF THE SHELTER AND PUTTING THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THEM ADOPTED. IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL. ESSENTIALLY IT'S BEEN RUN AS A VIRTUAL NO KILL OR CLOSE TO A NO KILL SHELTER. BECAUSE THE RECCE ORGANIST -- THE RESCUE ORGANIZATIONS -- THERE WAS A LOW -- LULL SO WE DROPPED A LITTLE BIT DURING THOSE MONTHS. BUT THIS METHOD IS PICKED BACK UP WHERE RESCUES ARE COMING IN AND REMOVING ANIMALS FROM THE SHELTER AND PUTTING THEM UP FOR ADOPTION. THAT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL. IT IS NOT OUR LONG-TERM SOLUTION. OUR LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS TO HAVE AN -- ORGANIZATION RUN THE OPERATION THE WAY IT SHOULD BE RUN. HOW WE GET TO THAT IS GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION.

>> IS ONE OF THE ISSUES, IN ADDITION TO THE FUNDING, WHAT WE USED TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION THAT RAISED MONEY AND HELPED FUND IT, EVEN THOUGH WE GIVE MONEY OURSELVES. IS ANOTHER ISSUE VOLUNTEERS? IS THE COUNTY USING VOLUNTEERS RIGHT NOW ON SITE?

>> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. AT THIS TIME THEY HAVE PART-TIME HELPERS THAT COME IN AND THEY DO THE DOG WALKING IN THE KENNEL CLEANING.

>> THOSE ARE EMPLOYEES. >> THOSE ARE EMPLOYEES.

>> SO I WOULD THINK THAT THE ORGANIZATION THAT WE WOULD WANT WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD ATTRACT VOLUNTEERS AS WELL AS FINANCIAL SUPPORT?

>> YES. >> AND ANIMAL CONTROL, DEPARTMENT FOR THE COUNTY IS THEY ARE RUNNING INTO. THERE IS ALWAYS AT LEAST ONE OR TWO OTHER OFFICERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE STREETS. THE RED THE SHELTER MANAGING THE OPERATIONS. THERE IS STILL RETURN TO OWNER. SO IF ONE OF YOUR ANIMALS IS IMPOUNDED, YOU CAN GO TO THE SHELTER AND PICK UP YOUR ANIMAL AND THEY ARE THERE TO FACILITATE THAT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CARE IS BEING DONE CORRECTLY AND THAT THE ANIMALS ARE BEING CARED

FOR. >> THE -- THE THOUGHT OF FUNDRAISING AND HOW IT IS BEEN IMPACTED BY COVID, IT'S INTERESTING. YOU HERE RIGHT NOW THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE POLITICAL FUNDRAISING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THERE IS JUST A NEW WAY TO DO THIS STUFF AND IS BEING EFFECTIVE AND MAY BE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE IN FORT PIERCE AND ST. LUCIE COUNTY THAT WANT THIS TO WORK MATTER WHAT. I THINK THAT IT MAY BE A PERCEPTION ISSUE. BUT I THINK FUNDRAISING IS THERE AND IT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL NO MATTER WHAT BECAUSE THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE BITING AT THE BIT TO BE ABLE TO GET HERE AND HELP US MOVE. IT WAS AN EXCUSE AND IT MIGHT'VE BEEN REAL PERHAPS IT WAS MORE PERCEPTION THAT WAS REALITY.

>> AND SOME OF THE EXAMPLES I WAS GIVEN IS SIMILAR MOST BASIC FUNDRAISING EFFORTS ARE DIRECT MAIL OUT TO THE PUBLIC REQUESTING HELP. THAT COST MONEY TO DO. YOU HAVE TO PRINT OUT THE FLYERS AND PAY FOR POSTAGE. THERE'S OUT-OF-POCKET POSTAGE. YOUR GOLF TOURNAMENTS, ALL OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE TRADITIONAL FUNDRAISING EFFORTS COST MONEY TO DO KNOWING -- KNOWING THAT YOU'RE GONNA BRING IN MONEY TO HELP YOUR ORGANIZATION. SO AGAIN, THAT WAS IN THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I GOT ENDED UP DOING A STEP PROGRAM OR IF WE JUST ASKED TO STAY IN THE BOX FOR A YEAR, 18 MONTHS, AND THEN EXPECT -- THAT GIVES THEM A CHANCE TO GET THEMSELVES ORGANIZED GET FUNDRAISING IN-HOUSE SO THE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE TO DO BIGGER AND BETTER FUNDRAISING. THAT'S WHERE THAT STEP PROGRAM -- I GUESS IS THE BEST WAGON DO IT RECOMMENDATION CAME FROM. IF THEY ARE THERE AND OPERATING AND THEY HAVE ADOPTIONS GOING AND THEY HAVE FUN REASONS -- FUNDRAISING THEN THEY HAVE A

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WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER AND WE EXPECT TO CONTINUE TO DO SO. THE COUNTY AND MYSELF AND HAVING ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FUNDING AND THAT MAY BECOME AN ISSUE.

AND BASICALLY TALKING BECAUSE THEIR STAFF IS THERE AND NOT ON THE ROAD. OUR GUYS, AGAIN, CITY ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS, HAVE HELPED WITH RESPONDED TO CALLS BECAUSE THE COUNTY STAFF SOMETIMES HAS TO BE THE SHELTER. WE WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH THAT WAY AND EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT AS LONG AS STAFF IS AVAILABLE.

BUT OVERALL, BOTH ORGANIZATIONS DO NOT WANT TO RUN THIS LONG TERM. WE WANT TO GET ONE THIRD

PARTY IN THEIR. >> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MR. MONTREUX AS FAR AS THE LONG-TERM GOAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A SUSTAINABLE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I THINK THAT HAS BEEN THE QUESTION. I HEARD IN THE PUBLIC ALSO. BUT FRANK, FOR ONCE, YOU COULD SET MY MIND AT EASE.

>> FOR ONCE OR ONCE? >> (LAUGHING) NEW DAY?

>> I THINK MADAME MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS MORNING. I THINK PEGGY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. WE FIRST STARTED DOWN THIS VENTURE AND EVERYONE KNOWS WE HAD THREE PARTNERS.

THAT WAS OUR LONG-TERM GOAL WE COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION THAN WHAT WE WERE RAISED. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER PARTNER THAT DECIDED TO LEAVE OUR PARTNERSHIP, BUT EVER SINCE, WE HAVE HAD A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH FORT PIERCE. PEGGY AND I COMMUNICATE QUITE OFTEN. SHE HAS MY NUMBER AND I HAVE HER NUMBER. ANY ISSUES THAT COME UP -- AND THE ISSUES THAT COME UP ÃMAKE A QUICK PHONE CALL. IT'S RESOLVED QUICKLY. OUR LONG-TERM GOAL WAS TO GET OUT OF THIS BUSINESS. WE DO NOT WANT TO OPERATE A SHELTER. IT'S NOT A FULL FLEDGED SHELTER AS IT STANDS NOW. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED IT WAS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION THAT WAS DONE IN AN EMERGENCY AND I THINK WE HAVE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB. WE HAVE A PHENOMENAL RELATIONSHIP WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. SOME OF OUR PARTNERS -- I THINK OVERALL WE HAVE DONE A FAIRLY GOOD JOB DOING THE BEST SERVICE THAT WE CAN UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

IN OUR LONG-TERM GOAL IS TO HAVE ONE THIRD PARTY OPERATE A SHELTER WITHIN THE CITY OF FORT

PIERCE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK

YOU VERY MUCH? >> SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT STEPS, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, WE HAD THREE OPTIONS. OPTION NUMBER ONE IS TO PUT OUT ANOTHER RFP USING THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED FROM THE FEEDBACK I'M GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE DEPARTMENT. REMOVE MANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS BE STEP BASED ON A ONE-YEAR EXPECTATION ON A ONE-YEAR, THREE-YEAR AND FIVE-YEAR EXPECTATION OF WHAT IS REQUIRED. WE CAN SWEETEN THE DEAL A LITTLE BIT, OFFER UTILITIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE CAN THROW SOME STUFF THAT WE WILL COVER THE UTILITIES. WITH DIFFERENT

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SESSION. >> IF OPTION NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN A RESPONSE TO KNOW SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW WITH OPTION NUMBER THREE? DO YOU KNOW SOMEBODY INTERESTED WITHOUT -- WHY DO YOU SUGGEST NUMBER THREE?

>> WELL WITH NUMBER THREE, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS. THE ONE -- IT'S BEEN A RECENT TOPIC.

-- BUT WHAT WE HAVE ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND MYSELF WE HAVE BEEN IN INFORMAL DISCUSSIONS WITH TREASURE COAST AND INDIAN RIVER BEACH. THEY HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING POSSIBLY JOINING TOGETHER TO COME IN AND HELP US RUN THIS. THE DISCUSSIONS I HAD OF BEEN SHORT-TERM, THE TEMPORARY SOLUTION TO GET SOMEONE IN THERE TEMPORARILY.

THEY BOTH SHOWED INTEREST IN JOINING TOGETHER TO HELP DO A, PRETTY MUCH A TREASURE COAST TYPE OF ORGANIZATION. THAT IS THE PREFERRED METHOD THAT ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND MYSELF HAVE HAD IN OUR DISCUSSIONS TALKED ABOUT. IS FORMALLY REACHING OUT TO THOSE TWO ORGANIZATIONS TO SEE IF THEY BE WILLING TO COME IN AND HELP WITH OPERATING ON A SHORT-TERM OR LONG-TERM

BASIS. >> ONLY SAY THIS MUCH, OPTION NUMBER ONE HAS A WORK, OPTION NUMBER TWO IS A WORK POTENTIALLY PERSPECTIVE OPTION NUMBER THREE MAY WORK. HOW COME THERE'S NO OPTION NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS GOING TO BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY ANYWAY? ARE YOU EXPLORING THE CITY OFFERING THIS BECAUSE WE MAY, IN FACT, HAVE TO DO JUST THAT. WE'VE GOT TO BITE THE BULLET. SO WE MAY HAVE TO PREPARE TO DEAL

WITH IT. >> IT HAS BEEN BRIEFLY

DISCUSSED. >> WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE?

>> ALL RIGHT. >> WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? ONE, TWO, THREE OUT OF THE PICTURE. WE ARE LEFT WITH WHAT? WE CAN DROP IT OFF AT THE COUNTY? WE CAN DROP IT OFF AT PORT ST. LUCIE. UNLESS MY LAWYER TELLS ME WE'VE GOT TO BITE THE BULLET. WE'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THESE ANIMALS BY LAW.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO DOING THAT. IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT IS GETTING REAL BLEAK. WE DID NOT THINK IT WOULD WORK OUT LIKE WE THOUGHT IT WAS.

>> MADAME MAYOR. >>.

>> WHAT I HEARD IS IF YOU REPEAT THE BULLETS I SCRATCH DOWN NOTES, BUT NUMBER ONE WAS A NEW RFP WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

>> YES. >> NUMBER TWO WAS OBLIGATION STATEMENTS WHICH WOULD ENTER US INTO THE NEXT STEP OF PROPOSAL PROCESS. NUMBER THREE WAS THE

SAME PROCESS REPEATING HISTORY. >> NUMBER THREE WAS DIRECT NEGOTIATIONS TO REACH OUT TO AN ORGANIZATION AND SAY THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED CAN YOU FILL THIS

NEED FOR US. >> OKAY.

>> IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE COULDN'T DO A DIRECT NEGOTIATION OR JUST DISCUSSION, BUT THERE ARE TWO GROUPS THAT ARE COMING TOGETHER TO HELP US OUT TO RUN THE FACILITY.

CANNOT NOT RUN IN PARALLEL WITH -- A NEWLY REFORMATTED PROPOSAL, RFP?

>> AGAIN. >> AND THEN THE DISCUSSION THAT I HAD HAD BEEN FOR TEMPORARY FIX, STEP IN AND PHOTO SHOOTS FOR US UNTIL WE CAN ANALYZE THE RFP AND GET THAT ON THE STREET. THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION THAT I HAD, BUT IT WOULD ALSO BE OPEN TO POSSIBLY TALKING ABOUT LONG-TERM, NOT YOUR SHORT-TERM BUT LONG-TERM.

>> OKAY. I LIKE THE IDEA OF CREATING AN RFP THAT IS JUST DYNAMIC. IT'S IMPORTANT WHAT

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BUDGET? >> FISCALLY, I HAVE $135,000 BUDGETED FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR. FOR THE HUMANE SOCIETY. FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

>> IS THAT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE THIS AFTERNOON?

>> THAT IS WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. I'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY SAW IT DIFFERENTLY. THEY HAVE DOUBLED THEIR BUDGET IN ANTICIPATION OF ATHE COUNTY SAW IT DIFFERENTLY. THEY HAVE DOUBLED THEIR BUDGET IN ANTICIPATION OF ONE THIRD PARTY COMING IN THAT IS GOING TO NEED THE FUNDING.

I THINK NO MATTER WHAT, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE AN INCREASE IN BUDGET AT SOME POINT. WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT YET -- AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE HAD A POINT OF VIEW THE TEMPORARY FACILITY UP AT THE AIRPORT AND WE KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET WAS AND WE KNOW WHAT THOSE EXPENSES WERE. WE'VE ONLY BEEN IN THE SHELTER SINCE JULY SO ALL WE HAVE IS JULY AND AUGUST AND THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT IS THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH OPERATING THI TEMPORARY FACILITY THEM. AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE COMPILING ALL THE NUMBERS AND GETTING BACK TOGETHER BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD AT THE AIRPORT. SO I'M WORKING WITH THE COUNTY I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS AT THIS TIME. WE HAVE JUST FINISHED AUGUST.

THAT WOULD GIVE US 60 DAYS TO LOOK ATBUT YOU NEED A BIGGER PICTURE TO THE UPCOMING YEAR.

SO I AM HOPEFUL BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER WILL HAVE A 90 DAY BUDGET NUMBER TO LOOK AT. THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY COST TO OPERATE THE FACILITY. AND WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT BUDGETING NEEDS WERE GOING TO NEED FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.

>> YOU'VE GOT A PROPOSED BUDGET COMING TO US. SO LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THE OPERATION. THE UNKNOWN OF THE CONDITION FINANCIALLY IS THE OPERATION OF THE FACILITY ITSELF. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT COST TO OPERATE WITH HOW MANY ANIMALS PER -- PER RESIDENT RATE. THIS IS CALLED THE PER CAPITA RATE OF ANIMALS. YOU HAVE A GOOD FEELING BECAUSE WE BEEN DOING THAT BUSINESS SINCE THE AIRPORT CORRECT NO I DON'T. WE COULD.

>> I HAVE THE NUMBERS SO I HAD A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE PER CAPITA VERSION WHICH IS RECOMMENDED BY BEST FRIENDS. WE HAD THEM COME IN AND LOOK AT THE SHELTER. AND I HAVE A NUMBER IN MY HEAD FROM ALL OF THE RESEARCH THAT I HAVE DONE ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS. SOME ORGANIZATIONS ARE STRONGLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PER CAPITA FEE. THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY YOU PUT TOWARD THE ANIMAL SHELTER. THERE'S OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT SAY IT'S NOTHING IT'S BASED ON WHO IS OPERATING IT AND HOW WELL IT'S OPERATING. YOU CAN GIVE THE SAME BUDGET TO THE ORGANIZATION ONE WILL WORK WELL AND ONE IS NOT BECAUSE OF HOW THEY OPERATE. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW. IF IT COMES DOWN TO A PER CAPITA, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PROVIDE A FIGURE FOR THAT.

>> -- I'M LEANING ON THE SIDE OF IT AS AN PEOPLE BUT I'M LEANING ON THE SIDE OF PER ANIMAL. DO YOU HAVE A PER ANIMAL STRUCTURE.

>> I DO NOT. THE NUMBERS WE HAD IN THIS NEW FACILITY WITH THE NEW HVAC SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING YOU AND EVERYTHING THE WAY IT SHOULD WORK I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT SOME OF

THOSE NUMBERS COULD GO DOWN. >> THAT'S WHY TALK ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT SIDES TO HAVE A PER ANIMAL IS GOING TO COST US? WE HAVE TO FEED AND SHELTER THEM.

WE HAVE TO DO VETERINARIAN SERVICES. WE HAVE AN OPERATIONAL EXPENSE. WE HAVE TWO PARTS AND PIECES. ONE WE SHOULD KNOW A LITTLE BIT. WE'VE BEEN AT THE AIRPORT. WE HAVE A LITTLE IDEA OF WHAT THAT IS. WE DO NOT KNOW THE FACILITY COST, ELECTRIC BILLS.

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THE UPKEEP. >> WE'VE BEEN AVERAGING ABOUT

$1000 A MONTH. >> AND THE ANIMAL RATE IN MY MIND WHILE IT IS STILL OPERATIONAL IT WILL INCLUDE STAFF BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT HOWEVER MANY ANIMALS -- HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE TO THROW IN THAT FACILITY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO THROW EMPLOYEES AT IT. IT'S GOING TO MAKE FRANK HAPPY.

FRANK CAN BE HAPPY. >> IT WAS MY GOAL TO MAKE FRANK

HAPPY. >>.

>> BUT YOU SEE WHERE I AM GOING WITH THAT? THERE ARE UNKNOWNS. BUT THAT TO ME IN SIMPLISTIC TERMS THAT'S WHERE I PLACE THE COST IN THE OPERATION. YOU ARE RIGHT. MAYBE IT WILL COST US MORE. WE DON'T KNOW YET. I HOPE NOT. SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE RATE OF INTAKE VERSUS WHERE WE WERE A YEAR AGO.

>> THE RATE OF INTAKE BECAUSE OF DIVERSION EFFORTS THAT WE HAVE MADE BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND CITY HAS GREATLY REDUCED, GREATLY REDUCED. I BELIEVE THERE ARE BETWEEN 40 AND 50 ANIMALS A MONTH ROUGHLY 50 ANIMALS A MONTH WHICH IS -- THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DROP FROM WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. I'M NOT SURE IT IS SUSTAINABLE.

WE'VE BEEN MAKING EVERY EFFORT TO DIVERT TO A LOCAL ORGANIZATION AND WHATNOT. IT'S A LONG-TERM SOLUTION. WE WANT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF INTAKES AS MUCH AS WE CAN. I

UNDERSTAND THERE IS PUSHBACK. >> ALTHOUGH OUT OF THE WAY. SO EVERYBODY ELSE CAN SPEAK. I THINK RUNNING A PARALLEL FUNCTION. AND THEN PHASE -- THE PART ONE OF THAT BULLET, WITH THE RFP, AND IMPLEMENTING A STEP-BASED SYSTEM -- IS CAPITAL COST AT THE END OF THE DAY FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN AND OPERATE THIS. SO IF WE HAD A TIERED APPROACH THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GET THEIR FEET WET GET A GOOD PARTNER AND NOW WE ARE OFF AND RUNNING. WILL IT COST US MORE ON OUR LINE ITEM? MAYBE NOT. FOR TALKING ABOUT REDUCTION WE HAVE A'S ESTABLISHED METHOD WAS REDUCING THE ANIMAL INTAKES. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE REGIONAL APPROACH. NONE IS OPERATING THE REGIONAL PROGRAM BUT SOMEONE ELSE PARTNERING WITH THAT. THOSE IN THE MODIFIED RFP. THE ONE THING I DON'T WANT TO DO, I DO NOT WANT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO GET IN THE ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY BUSINESS. AND THE REASON WHY IS THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS WE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH A COMPLETE STRUCTURE BEST PRACTICES ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS BUT THE NUMBER ONE IS WHO WANTS TO GIVE THE MONEY TO FORT PIERCE OFFERING THE FACILITY. THE THIRD PARTY CAN DO THAT. THEY BECOME THE ENTITY THAT HAS BEEN THE BEST PRACTICES. FOLKS CAN OPEN THEIR WALLETS OPEN THEIR HAPPY TO GIVE TO THOSE -- THOSE TYPE OF -- THOSE TYPE OF BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN DO THIS EASILY BY THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. HELP US WITH OUR ANIMAL CONTROL IT WILL COME OUT OF OUR BACK POCKET MORE SO THAN NOT. I MEAN, SO I THINK THE NEGOTIATION PART IS PROBABLY KEY ESPECIALLY WITH FOLKS THAT UNDERSTAND WHO WE ARE. AND AS LONG AS THE ST.

LUCIE COUNTY IS ON BOARD BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WALK IN STEP WITH THEM IT'S ANOTHER PART THAT WORKS VERY FINE. IS THAT WE HAVE THAT PARTNERSHIP AS LONG AS WE COME UP WITH THOSE AND MAKE SUSTAINABLE DECISIONS THAT MOVE FORWARD. I AM ALL IN FOR THAT.

>> SO I'M SITTING HERE AGAIN ABOUT THIS CONCEPT. AND IF YOU THINK BACK WHENEVER THE SUNRISE WAS RESTORED IN THE SUNRISE WAS TURNED OVER TO THE CITY SO THE CITY BEGAN TO OPERATE THE SUNRISE AND WE ALWAYS HAD TROUBLE RAISING MONEY FOR THE SUNRISE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE

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>> THE ONLY DIFFERENCE MAYOR IN THE SHELTER FOR ANIMALS VERSUS THE SUNRISE, UNLESS LIKE I SAID EARLIER, SOMEBODY CAN TELL ME OTHERWISE. SUNRISE IS A BENEFIT, A PRIVILEGE, NOT A NECESSITY. HOWEVER, WE ARE OBLIGATED BY LAW TO MAINTAIN THESE ANIMALS. AM I CORRECT?

>> I BELIEVE SO. >> BECAUSE THAT IS THE DEFINING POINT HERE. SO, IF WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO IT, IT'S NOT A FAIR COMPARISON TO COMPARE IT WITH SUNRISE BECAUSE WE CAN TELL THE SUNRISE TOMORROW THAT'S IT. BUT AS FAR AS MAINTAINING AND KEEPING THESE ANIMALS, WE ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO DO SO. NOW THE REALITY IS THIS. THERE'S NO MONEY TO BE MADE IN THIS BUSINESS. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE NOT GETTING PEOPLE KNOCKING DOORS DOWN WITH RFPS AND I DOUBT RFQ'S OR ANYTHING ELSE. THERE'S NO MONEY TO BE MADE. PARTNER SHIPPING UP, WITH ONE THIRD PARTY, THE LIKELIHOOD, STILL EVEN IF IT'S A NONPROFIT, THERE'S NO MONEY TO BE MADE. AS A MATTER FACT MONEY WOULD BE LOST.

THE ONLY TYPE OF WAY WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FUND THE SERVICE LIKE THISB OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF SOME THIRD PARTIES HEART IS THAT ULTIMATELY, WE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO END UP DOING IT OURSELVES -- NOT THAT I WANT TO DO THAT, BUT HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE, PROBABLY. SO LET -- WHAT DOES NOT HIT US ON THE BLINDSIDE WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WHEN ULTIMATELY, WE ARE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING THIS SERVICE BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE ARE HAVING ALL THESE PROBLEMS. THE ORGANIZATION IS GOING TO COMMUNITY DO THIS BECAUSE THERE'S NO MONEY TO BE MADE POINT-BLANK. SO EVEN IF WE PARTNERSHIP UP WITH ONE THIRD PARTY, AND THE COST THAT WE HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE THIRD-PARTY STARTS TO THE POINT WHERE IT COSTS MORE TO CONTRIBUTE TO ONE THIRD PARTY TO RUN SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO OURSELVES AT A MORE FEASIBLE MANNER THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER DOING THAT. WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I LIKE TO DO, NO. BUT AS LONG AS THE LAW REQUIRES US TO RUN JAIL HOUSES AND SHELTERS, WE HAVE TO DO IT. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO IT. BUT I DOUBT -- I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A GREATER RESPONSE. BUT OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE NOT. WE HAVE PARTNERS. TRUE ENOUGH, THAT CONTRIBUTE. MOST OF THAT IS DONE OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEART. NO ONE IS GONNA RUN UNLESS THEY CAN MAKE MONEY. SO WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK INTO THE BUSINESS OF DOING IT AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE DOING IT BEFORE. WE CAN DOWNSIZE THE LOAD OF

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IT'S PREPARING US TO DO IT OURSELVES ANYMORE FEASIBLE MANNER. BUT ULTIMATELY BELIEVER GOING TO DO IT -- I HOPE NOT, BUT WILL PROBABLY GOING TO DO IT OURSELVES.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ON THE SUBJECT?

>> I THINK WE COULD AGREE THAT WE HAVE STEPPED IN AND I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, TO GET IT DONE AND I AM SURE THE ORGANIZATION HAS A PROCESS OUT THERE THAT CAN HELP US TREMENDOUSLY. WHEN YOU START COMPARING IT TO THE SUNRISE THEATER, THAT'S -- YOU KNOW, WERE NOT GOING TO CONVERT THOSE FUNDS IT'S OUR CITY -- IS OUR

CITY -- >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, YOU

ARE CUTTING IN AND OUT. >> OKAY.

>> DID YOU GET -- CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW.

>> AGAIN. I'M SORRY. >> NO PROBLEM.

>> I'M MOVING BECAUSE I AM DISTRACTED BY ALL THESE HELICOPTERS AND SIRENS HERE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WHATEVER EFFORTS, WE NEED -- IT'S OUR CITY THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE WE CLEAR ON WHAT DIRECTION WE ARE TAKING.

>> FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WE ARE GOING TO REACH OUT FOR -- TO OUR LOCAL PARTNERS IN AN ATTEMPT TO GET SOMEONE TO OPERATED THAT WOULD BE BASED ON THE STEP PROGRAM WE HAD HAD A COUPLE INDIVIDUALS SOMEBODY THAT WE WORKED ON IN THE PAST. WE'VE ESPECIALLY REACHED OUT TO US AND SAID SHE'D HELP US DRAFT A NEW RG -- RFP AS WELL. SO, WE WILL WORK ON FINDING TEMPORARY SOLUTION AND DOING AN RFP THAT IS VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE WE PUT OUT BEFORE.

>> YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. >> IN ADDITION TO THAT, WITH OUR PARTNERS, IF WE HAVE A NEGOTIATION -- I WOULD LOOK FOR THOSE FOLKS TO EITHER SUBMIT IF THE RFP GOES AWAY IF THEY SAY OKAY. WE ARE IN IT FOR THE LONG HAUL. IT COULD HAPPEN WE NEVER KNOW. IS THERE A BIG GOAL IN WHAT WERE DOING AND HOW WE'RE WORKING NOW,

>> OKAY. (LAUGHING). MR. MONTROSE, COMING BACK TO THE MICROPHONE, --

>> I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A BIG HOLE OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY WOULD LIKE TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THAT MEANS BUT UNDER FOR THE FIRST PERMIT WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WE ARE OBVIOUSLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THE SAVANNAH ROAD FACILITY. SO WE CANNOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WHILE WE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY BIG HOLD IN THE SERVICES THAT WE ARE PROVIDING, ST. LUCIE ANIMAL CONTROL IS OUT ON THE STREETS.

THEY HAVE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF RUNNING THE TEMPORARY SHELTER. BUT I THINK OUR ULTIMATE GOAL WOULD BE TO DO WHAT COMMISSIONER SESSIONS HAS SAID IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: UH-UH (AFFIRMATIVE).

>> I THINK THAT IS THE BIGGEST SHORTCOMING.

>> THERE'S STILL SERVICING THE WEBSITE. WE PROPOSE TO ALL THE ANIMAL WEBSITE SO WHAT WE HAVE GREAT RESPONSE TO THAT, OUR PARTNERS IN THE AUDIENCE AND OTHER PARTNERS HAVE BEEN DOING US A GREAT SERVICE TO DO THE WORD -- GET THE WORD OUT AS WELL.

WE START LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET RESPONSIBILITIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND WHY SOME OF THE PEOPLE

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VOLUNTEERS ALREADY DECREASED BECAUSE MOST OF OUR VOLUNTEERS AROUND THE ELDERLY POPULATION WHO ARE VERY SUSCEPTIBLE TO COVID-19. WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ISSUE. BUT WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT SAVANNAH ROAD, I THINK THE WORKS AT THE COUNTY AND FORT PIERCE HAS DONE TO THAT IS PHENOMENAL IN SPEAKING WITH SOME OF THE RFP APPLICANTS, THE SHELTER ISN'T RIGHT THERE ÃMAKE THE FACILITY ISN'T NEEDS TO BE RIGHT NOW. IF WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT A FULL-TIME THAT, A FULL-TIME FACILITY MANAGER, VET TECHS AND ALL OF THAT ALL OF THAT IS INCLUDED IN THAT PRICE. SO WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE RFP WHEN WE ARE ASKING FOR THOSE THINGS. AND LIKE PEGGY SAID MAY BE FACING THOSE THINGS AND BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IF WE ARE GOING TO GO OUT ON OUR OWN AND SERVICE OUR OWN COMMUNITY IN THAT RESPECT MEANING THAT IF PEGGY WANTED TO SERVICE JUST THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THEIR CITIZENS, ALTHOUGH SERVICES HAVE TO BE PROVIDED. IF THE COUNTY WAS INCLINED TO WALK DOWN THAT PATH, WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES WELL. THAT IS A HUGE COST. I THINK THE AVERAGE THAT NOW IS OVER $100,000 A YEAR. A GOOD FACILITIES MANAGER IS ABOUT $75,000 A YEAR OR MORE IN THE WE'RE TALKING TAX, THAT'S ANYWHERE FROM $40,000 AND ON UP. SO RIGHT OFF THE BAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT $300,000 IN SALARIES JUST TO PROVIDE THE BASIC SERVICES OF A FACILITY.

>> YOU HAVE INFORMATION THAT THE HUMANE SOCIETY THAT THE LOCATION HAS ALL OF THOSE

SPOTS? >> THEY DO.

>> THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH SEVERAL GENERATIONS OF THAT BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY

ARE FULL-SERVICE. >> OKAY.

>> MEHTA MAYOR, YOU COULD POINT TO MY QUESTION COMES TO MIND, I LOOK AT THE OPERATION OF THE SELF. I'LL COMPARE IT -- I'M NOT GOING TO COMPARE IT IF YOU WERE TO MAINTAIN MAINTENANCE UTILITIES OR MAINTENANCE UNDER THE CITY PARTNERSHIP WE WERE TO KEEP THE NUMBERS AND SAY WE ARE RESPONSIBLE BUT THE OPERATOR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ANIMALS AND THE INTERIOR OPERATIONS. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SECURITY COMPANY HIRING THEM TO COME IN AND MAINTAIN SECURITY IN THE BUILDING. WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO THAT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE FOR THE OPERATIONS IN AN RFP SCENARIO FOR THE OPERATOR TO MAINTAIN ANIMAL OPERATIONS ONLY?

>> I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT. OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A BOARD THAT HAVE TO PRESENT ITEMS TO IS JUST NOT FRANK'S WISHES AND DESIRES. BUT CERTAINLY, WE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

>> OKAY. >> ANYTHING THAT GETS US OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF OPERATING A SHELTER.

>> AND THAT'S THE KEY. THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO BUYING POWER. THE GOVERNMENT CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND BOTH HAVE THE ABILITY TO OPERATE, MAINTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE BETTER THAN A GROUP THAT'S TRYING TO MAINTAIN ANIMALS. THAT IS REAL FACT.

THAT IS NOT THEIR EXPERTISE. THEIR ANIMALS IS -- IS ON CONDITIONS AND OR ANIMALS. WE HAVE WONDERFUL STAFF THAT ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE. THEY'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. YOU KNOW, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE EXPERTS EITHER. AND WE NEED EXPERTS TO COME AND RUN THE FACILITY THAT CAN DO ADOPTIONS. THEY ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, THAT CAN RUN ALL THOSE ASPECTS. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER OR RESOURCES TO DO IT.

I HAVE A STAFF OF FIVE THAT ARE RUNNING THE SHELTER. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE LIKE 10 TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE DOING IT. AND THEY DO A PHENOMENAL JOB, THAT IS NOT

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WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. >> BUT THE COUNTY AND CITY BOTH HAVE RESOURCES IN OPERATIONS OF FIXING AIR CONDITIONER PAINTING THE OUTSIDE, MOWING THE GRASS AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVEN IF IT IS THE CITY DOING IT IN OUR AGREEMENT WE SAY OKAY. WE SPENT $200,000 ON UTILITIES LET'S SPLIT IN HALF.

I MEAN THAT IS LANGUAGE THAT WE CAN HASH OUT IN A FEW MINUTES. I KNOW YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO A BOARD AND TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT --

>> WE HAD THESE SAME CONVERSATIONS ON OUR SIDE OF THE HOUSE AS WELL. WE ARE FACED WITH THE SAME OPTIONS LIKE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. OUR NUMBER ONE OPTION IS TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE ENTITY COME IN AND DO THESE OPERATIONS. THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS TO BE IN THE SHELTERING BUSINESS. SO, IF THERE IS AN OPTION IN THERE, THAT IS IDEAL. WHERE WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY PROVIDING OPERATIONAL EXPENSES AS YOU JUST ALLUDED TO AND HAVE SOMEONE RUN IT. YES. WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ONE THING ABOUT IT.

>> IT WOULD BE -- IF WE HAD OPERATORS THAT WERE NOT FACILITATED COUNTY WE WOULD BE HAVING PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSIONATE, WHO WANT TO DO THIS AND BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO THIS THEY KNOW OTHER PEOPLE THAT WILL SUPPORT THEM. SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET VOLUNTEERS AND FINANCES ON AN ONGOING BASIS IF WE PROVIDED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SUPPORT IN TERMS OF WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IS TALKING ABOUT. COMMISSIONER SESSIONS?

>> WHILE WE NOT BE -- WHILE WE MAY NOT BE IN THE BUSINESS OF DOING CERTAIN THING RUNNING ANY BUSINESS IS ABOUT DELEGATING THE WORK TO THOSE THAT ARE IN THE BUSINESS. WE ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF FIXING CARS, BUT WE HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO WE HAVE TO GO TO OUR MECHANICS TO MAINTAIN THE CARS. I LOOK AT THIS AS BEING THE SAME THING. BUT IF WE HAVE TO DO IT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DELEGATE AND HIRE PROFESSIONALS TO MAINTAIN THE SERVICE. THAT'S AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SERVICE. WE CAN'T JUST

PUSH IT OFF ON ANYBODY. >> YOU ARE RIGHT. AND THE KEY

TO A DELEGATION'S OVERSIGHT. >> YES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. ARE YOU PRETTY CLEAR ON THIS? ALREADY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE WITH US TODAY AND FOR EVERYTHING, ALL

YOUR HARD WORK. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. AGAIN, I CANNOT SAY -- THERE ARE ALWAYS RUMORS AND SPECULATION, BUT THE -- OUR UNITS HAVE WORKED WELL TOGETHER AND WE'VE WORKED WELL TOGETHER WITH OUR OTHER PARTNERS, OUR RISKY PARTNERS AND WHATNOT. IT IS ALWAYS A POLARIZING ISSUE.

>> YES. >> IT TUGS AT YOUR HEART

STRINGS. THIS BUSINESS DOES. >> I CAN TELL YOU OUR STAFF IS EXTREMELY PASSIONATE ABOUT ANIMALS. THEY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MANY ANIMALS THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED OUT TO OUR EMPLOYEES -- FAMILIES AND FRIENDS.

>> (LAUGHING). YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO LEAN ON (LAUGHING) .

>> AND YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE YOUR PARTNERSHIP.

>> GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

[5. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALREADY. >> NEXT IS COMMENTS FROM THE

PUBLIC. >> IS THERE ANY MEMBER FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. COMPORT STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. ARE WE SIGNING IN TODAY, MS. COX. WHAT'S THE TIMING.

>> THREE SECONDS. >> TO GET A THREE SECOND MORNING. WELCOME.

>> EXCUSE ME. I AM FREEZING. >> I KNOW. BELIEVE ME, I KNOW.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION IN ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE ISSUES BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A LOT OF TALK AND SPECULATION ON WHAT IS HAPPENING. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THE ONLY THING I FELT WAS LACKING A SEXUAL STATISTICAL NUMBERS ON THE ANIMALS THAT THE COUNTY AND CITY ARE SERVICING. THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO MY PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST AND GIVING YOU -- EXCUSE ME -- AM FREEZING.

(LAUGHING) -- STATS. AND I REQUESTED THEM FROM THE COUNTY BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THEM YET. I AM WAITING FOR STATISTICS ON ANIMALS THAT ARE BEING IMPOUNDED. SORRY.

THIS IS WHAT THE CITY REPORTED THAT IT'S "CITY AND ANIMAL CONTROL ACTIVE SHED AT THE SAVANNAH ROAD FACILITY. AT THE SHED, THEY SERVICED 260

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CITY ANIMAL CONTROL IS TAKEN TO THE CITY AND ROAD FACILITY. 155 DOGS AND CATS TOTALING 224 APPROXIMATELY. IN THE STATISTICS, THIS REPORTING, I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS. ABOUT ACTUAL -- A FEW EXTRA HERE. I'M STILL REVIEWING THIS PAPERWORK. SO, WITHOUT HAVING THE COUNTY NUMBERS, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE TO SERVICE THE ANIMALS. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. A PUMPING THE COUNTY IS GOING TO GIVE THE STATISTICS TO ME BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT INTAKE? IT'S ABOUT HOW MANY ANIMALS WERE GOING TO HAVE TO SERVICE. YES YOU CAN HAVE FIXED COST, BUT ALL THE OTHER COSTS ARE GOING TO BE DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAT YOU SERVICE. LESS ... TO FINISH OFF... YOU HAD 41 RETURN TO AND PIERCE -- WE HAVE A WAYS TO GO WITH THE CAT ISSUE. 228 CATS AND KITTENS AT THE SHED. AND... IMPOUNDED 69 CATS AT THE

SAVANNAH FACILITY. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO... >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? PLEASE COME FORWARD. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY...

WE'LL MOVE ON. >> NEXT ITEM IS CITY COMMISSION, BOARD AND COMMITTEE

[6. City Commission Boards and Committees Updates]

UPDATES. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? DO YOU

HAVE ANY COMMITEE REPORTS? >> NOT AT THIS TIME. >> ALL RIGHTY. COMMISSIONER

PRONA? >> YES, MAYOR. YOU HEARD FROM THE PARKING COMMITTEE, ONE OF THE ELEMENTS TOO, THAT WASN'T DISCUSSED IS THAT THERE'S THIS CONSTANT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PARKLETS. YOU EITHER LOVE THEM OR YOU HATE THEM. WE STARTED WITH OVER 30, DOWN TO 11 RIGHT NOW. ACCORDING TO CHEYENNE, THEY'RE GOING TO LAST AS LONG AS ALL THE COVID REQUIREMENTS ARE STILL INVOLVED. WE LOOK TO THEM AS A RESOURCE TO HELP US AND GUIDE US AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

THEY'RE GETTING STRONGER AND WE'RE APPRECIATING THAT. THE RETIREMENT BOARD, AS OF THE END OF JUNE -- THE RETIREMENT, FOR THE PIERCE RETIREMENT, TOPPED OVER $212 MILLION IN OUR INVESTMENT, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD. SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WATCHING IS REAL ESTATE. WE'VE GOT ABOUT 9% OF THAT 212,000 -- $100,000 -- TWO -- SORRY -- IT IS COLON HERE.

$212 MILLION. 9% OF THAT IS IN REAL ESTATE THROUGH REITS AND OUR PROVIDER IS HARTMAN. GO FIGURE THAT MALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AREN'T GREAT IDEAS. THEY'RE RE-EVALUATING AND REASSESSING THAT. THEY'RE TAKING LOSSES NOW. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A YEAR.

THEY'VE BEEN -- THEIR UNDERPERFORMANCE WAS ALMOST 5% LAST YEAR. WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT -- WE'RE NOT REALLY THAT CONCERNED, BUT... I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S ON OUR RADAR.

THINGS THAT WE'RE WATCHING -- OTHER THAN THAT -- ALL OUR OTHER PORTFOLIOS, DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. EVEN DURING THIS PANDEMIC, IT SEEMS LIKE OUR, OUR SYSTEM IS DOING BETTER THAN MOST. THAT CREATES A LOW OBLIGATION COST FOR RETIREMENT

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>> WOW. >> THAT'S THE WHOLE BUDGET. THEY DID OPT-IN AND WE DID MOVE TO THE 3%, WHICH IS OUR CAP. SO... WE DID ADOPT IT WITH THE ROLL BACK RATE. SO... THAT

PRETTY MUCH GETS ME THROUGH MINE. THANK YOU. >> MR. SESSION?

>> NOTHING AS FAR AS -- WELL... I GUESS I'LL SAY THIS MUCH. AS FAR AS THE SUNRISE THEATER ADVISORY BOARD. OUR LAST MEETING, ON THE -- ACTUALLY, WE HAD A FULL HOUSE. FOR THE MOST PART AND I WAS SURPRISED AT ALL THE MEMBERS PRACTICALLY THERE. BUT... THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE OPERATIONS OF THE THEATER. AND THE FUTURE OF THE THEATER, WITH REGARDS TO WHAT WILL AND WILL NOT HAPPEN. THE WERE SOME BOARD MEMBERS THAT EXPRESSED THAT. THEY REALLY, REALLY WERE CONCERNED AND... LIKE I TELL THEM ALL THE TIME -- IT'S ALWAYS A TOPIC OF THIS DISCUSSION AND JUST, MONITOR THIS SITUATION AND I WOULD RATHER THEM HEAR IT THEMSELVES, THAN HEAR IT FROM ME. SO... AGAIN... WE'RE JUST WAITING TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. WE HAVE OPERATIONS AND COST OVER THERE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE OPEN OUR DOORS TO -- FOR ENTERTAINMENT OR NOT. MAINTENANCE AND SERVICES ARE STILL THERE. STAFF IS CUT BACK TO A BEAR MINIMUM. I GUESS YOU CALL IT A SKELETON CREW IN THE BUSINESS WORLD. WE'RE DOING

WHAT WE HAVE TO DO -- THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR ME. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

JOHNSON? >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL -- NOT TOO MUCH HAPPENING THERE. WE'RE DOING VIRTUAL MEETINGS. THAT'S GOING WELL, ACTUALLY. THAT WAS ALWAYS

THE TOUGHEST ONE TO GET TO. >> I'M HOPING IT'S VIRTUAL AND THEY CONTINUE THAT PROCESS FOR MANY MOONS. THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS, I THINK PALM BEACH IS BRINGING ONE FORWARD NEXT. IT HAS TO DO WITH MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION AND JUST LOOKING AT THEIR PLANNING. AND... THE ASPECTS OF HOW THEY'RE PLANNING THEIR COMMUNITY AND HOW THAT TIES INTO TRANSPORTATION, AS FAR AS MICROMOBILITY, MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION, BUS SYSTEMS. ALL THE ABOVE. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ZONING AND HOW THAT TIES INTO HOW YOUR CITY GROWS. THAT'S ONE I WANTED TO PINPOINT. COUNCIL, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, WE HAD OUR FIRST VIRTUAL MEETING THIS PAST MONTH. THAT WENT WELL. FOLKS ARE STILL LEARNING HOW TO PUSH THE MUTE BUTTON --

>> AND UNMUTE. >> I LIKE TO PUSH MUTE AS MUCH AS I CAN -- I DON'T NEED TO BE HEARD FROM UNLESS CALLED UPON.

THAT'S GOING WELL. OUR BUDGET THERE IS LIKE 11,000, TOM, JUST COMPARED TO THE DISTRICT. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR INVESTMENT ACCOUNT -- SOMEWHERE ALONG THOSE LINES -- BIG NUMBERS. THAT'S A GOOD GROUP -- THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS THERE. THERE'S NEW MEMBERS ALSO. TPO... I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REAPORT, SPECIFICALLY. WE'RE DOING WELL, WE'RE MEETING VIRTUALLY IN MAIN STREET, YOU KNOW... THE FOLKS ARE STARTING TO KNOCK ON THE DOOR WHEN ARE WE GOING TO HAVE

SOME EVENTS IN FORT PIERCE? >> LIKE FRIDAY FEST AND THINGS.

>> YES. I RAISE THE QUESTION ALL THE TIME AND TALK ABOUT IT.

DBA, THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GROUP MEETINGS, AS MUCH AS I CAN.

CHEYENNE, LEE CITY -- THOSE ARE ALWAYS QUESTIONS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, SO... WE ARE DOING OUR

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THAT'LL BE ON NOVEMBER 14TH. SO... IT'S A SATURDAY -- YES...

GOTTA BE. NOVEMBER 14TH -- I KNOW THAT DATE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK, BUT I'M SURE IT'S A SATURDAY. IT'S GOING TO BE VIRTUAL -- IT IS -- IT'S ALL ABOUT PARADISE AND PALM TREES, OF COURSE. YOU KNOW... GOTTA MAKE IT ROSY AND MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE. IT'LL BE VIRTUAL -- WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. THAT'LL BE A LOT OF DETAIL WORK AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. HOW DO YOU DO A REVERSE RAFFLE ONLINE?

>> THEY HAVE AN AUCTION TOO, RIGHT?

>> YES... THEY'RE COLLECTING SOME ITEMS -- THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S A BIG FUNDRAISER -- ALSO... WE'RE STILL HOLDING OUT -- SOME POINT, MR. MIMS, WE CAN WORK OUT A TIME FOR FIREWORKS, RIGHT? I THINK WE'RE STILL HOLDING IN LIMBO FOR THAT PARTNERSHIP

OPPORTUNITY, WHENEVER. >> YOU MENTIONED MY NAME, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO TELL YOU -- YOU ALL, AS A CITY COMMISSION, TOLD US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SPECIAL EVENTS. WE ARE NOT STOPPING ANYTHING FROM HAPPENING.

>> ALL RIGHT... >> MAIN STREET CAN HAVE FRIDAY FEST, THURSDAY FEST, WEDNESDAY FEST, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT. THE FIREWORKS CAN GO ON WHENEVER MAIN STREET PLUGS IT IN. I WANT EVERYBODY TO HEAR ME WHEN I SAY, THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE HAS NOT PUT ANY IMPEDIMENTS IN SPECIAL EVENTS.

THIS IS ALL THE EVENT ORGANIZER'S RESPONSIBILITY.

>> WE HEARD IT FIRSTHAND. YEAH... I THINK IT JUST COMES WITH THE -- I DON'T KNOW -- I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE WORD LIABILITY -- BUT... IT'S PEOPLE ARE CAUTIOUS WITH THAT. OTHER

THAN THAT, NO MORE TO REPORT -- >> JUST TO FOLLOW-UP ON MAIN STREET -- COFFEE WITH THE MAYOR IS THE THIRD FRIDAY OF THIS MONTH AND... I THINK THAT'S THE 19TH? IS THAT RIGHT? THIS COMING FRIDAY AND... IT'S VIRTUAL. WE DO IT -- THE MAIN STREET STAFF DOES IT. THE FORT PERIOD OF TIME YACHT CLUB IS ANXIOUS TO HAVE IT BACK IN THE FORT PERIOD OF TIME YACHT CLUB AND HAVE AN EVENT. THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN OCTOBER. THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN OCTOBER. THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES THAT WE HAD OUR VIRTUAL ANNUAL MEETING AND... THE POLICY COMMITTEES ARE STARTING -- SO... THE FIRST ONE IS... THIS-COMING FRIDAY. IT'LL BE AT 10:00 ON THE LAND USE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. I'M VICE CHAIR -- IT'LL BE VIRTUAL, FOR SEPTEMBER. OCTOBER... THEY'RE HOPING TO HAVE IT IN-PERSON, WHICH WILL BE IN ORLANDO. AND... I'M NO LONGER ON THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES BOARD, BUT... I'M ON -- I'VE BEEN APPOINTED TO THE FLORIDA MUNICIPAL INSURANCE TRUST -- WHICH IS OUR INSURANCE CARRIER HERE. IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE -- WE JUST PROVED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING. THAT MEANS I GET TO STAY ON THAT BOARD.

SO... I'LL BE -- I'LL HAVE MY FIRST MEETING AND ORIENTATION IN OCTOBER. FORT PIERCE UTILITIES AUTHORITY MEETS TOMORROW -- AND... THE ROUNDTABLE IS! BEST BUY -- HAS BEEN MEETING VIRTUALLY AND BUSINESS IS PROCEEDING AT THE ROUNDTABLE, IN TERMS OF THE BOARD, WE'VE BEEN MEETING VIRTUALLY AND THE ACTIVITIES, THEY'VE BEEN PROCEEDING, THEY'RE MOSTLY IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS RIGHT NOW TOO. THE CHAMBER HAS BEEN MEETING AND I'VE BEEN ATTENDING THOSE MEETINGS AS EX OFFICIO.

THAT INCLUDES MY REPORTING. EXCEPT... ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER PRONE, I THINK HEIGHTMAN IS COMING TO OUR MEETING THIS THURSDAY. WE ASKED TO KNOW HOW IT AFFECTS OUR PORTFOLIO, BUT... HOW IT AFFECTS THE INDUSTRY-WIDE AND THE WHOLE ECONOMICS-WIDE. SO... I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. WITH THAT... I THINK IT IS TIME FOR OUR NEXT ITEM OR...

ADJOURNMENT -- WHICH IS ADJOURNMENT. IF WE'LL MOVE OUT

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